You can't make more time. So hire a professional
16 Nov 2025 · 24 min
Ryan Spence argues that hiring professionals saves more than money, it saves time. He compares DIY tree-stump removal to recording an audiobook in a studio, showing how outsourcing accelerates what matters. He offers 75-minute coaching sessions with five days of Voxer support.
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Episode 19.
75 minutes.
Five days of Voxer (voice-messaging) support.
About £100.
Sometime in July 2022.
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Now, for me to have gone to do that myself, I would have had to spend some time figuring out the best way to do it, get the right tools to do it, maybe buy them or figure out where I could borrow them. Either way, it's going to cost me, whether that's time or money. Then I'd have to spend the time doing it. And because I hadn't done it before, it would have taken me a hell of a lot longer than the guys who had done it. So all in, all in time, and probably money, it would have cost me a hell of a lot more than £100 and a hell of a lot more than an hour or two hours of my life time. Hire a Professional. If there's ever was a reason or an example of why you should hire a professional, that's one right there.
You're listening to the Circle CE Project. Welcome to the Triple CE Project, the podcast that helps you gain clarity, boost confidence, build courage so you can live lifeless. I'm your host, Ryan Spence, the Big Law Drop life coach, author, speaker, lover of hoodies, hip hop, and big, hairy, audacious goals. If you're tired of living the life you think you should want and ready to start living the life you do want, this podcast will help you get from where you are to where you really want to be. Sit now with friends, I invite you to grab a drink, take a seat, and allow me to guide you towards living a life that's lit.
Hey. Hey, people. Welcome to episode 19 of the Triple C Project. And I was debating whether or not to tell you this, But I figure 19 episodes in We're All Friends. And I also think it's important to show that even as a coach, we don't have it all together. We still do things, we still fuck up and we still make mistakes. And that's okay. We're human. We're not trying to create or make ourselves or our clients into perfect human beings. We're just trying to get that little bit better each day, to attain what it is that we want to get to, where we want to get to, to create the vision we want to create. Anyway, that's all my disclaimer to say that I. I sat down to record this episode and in my head, I already had it mapped out. I knew exactly what it was going to be and I had a title for it. And then this little voice, my head.
Said, just go back and look at.
The list of past episodes. So I went into my podcast host and I looked through the previous 18 episodes and realized that the episode I was actually going to record, I've already recorded. In fact, I've already used the same title to talk about the same thing. What can I say? I, I've realized about myself, or should I say I've accepted about myself that I, I'm very much an ideas person. I'm very much the creative, I call myself a creative entrepreneur because I have all of these creative ideas and I want to execute them. I want to share these things with you guys, share these things with the world. But the strategy, the creation of systems and the detail, it just doesn't, it just doesn't light me up, it doesn't make me feel lit, which probably explains why I hate being a big law lawyer so much. But yeah, I thought, I just thought I'd share with you because look, we've got to be transparent here. And I am a little bit disorganized. I know what I'm doing, I know how to do it. I just don't necessarily always do it in the most efficient way. And there are things I'm trying to work on in that space and there are certain things which I'm just accepting, they just are what they are. So if you're a little bit like me, a little bit disorganized and a little bit scatterbrained and more of the sort of disorganized artist type, then hopefully this brings you a little bit of comfort and you can, you can relate. Okay, moving on. What's been going on this week?
So no one complained last week by.
The fact that I recorded my episode so late in the day, which basically means I hopefully gave you the same value I always give you. So appreciate that. But this week it's been my birthday. It was my birthday. And as I vowed to myself when I left Big Law three years ago, I do not work on my birthday anymore and I stick to that. So I had a great day. What did I do? I got myself a haircut. I sat outside in the sun and enjoyed my coffee in my favorite coffee shop. I went for a really nice brunch at a new place. Well, it's not new, but I haven't been to before here in Sheffield. Had an amazing brunch and I had a two hour Thai massage. Thai massages are literally one of my most favorite things in the world. And it could be on a beach in Thailand, it can be in the fanciest spa. It doesn't really matter that just they're just amazing. And I remember the first time I had a two hour, one which was back in Singapore years ago. And I was just like, this is the most indulgent thing ever. And I want to do this again for the. Again for the rest of my life. But it's fair. You have two hours, right? But it's like, screw, it's my birthday. So I took two hours and I felt absolutely amazing at the end of that. And then I went out for dinner with my wife to again, another new vegan restaurant, which was amazing. So all in all, it was a great day. And it got me thinking, like, lots of us look forward to our birthdays, or it might be Christmas, or it might be some other special days that we have. And we plan all of these great things that we're going to do. But how can we stop waiting for those days and start to introduce those things just into every day? That's kind of what I was going to talk about today, is going to talk about creating your lip life and taking something that brings you joy and just trying to find a way you can implement that into just one day of your week to start with. And then maybe once that becomes a routine, you introduce it into another day, or maybe you introduce something new and all of these little steps compound to kind of start to make your life a little bit more lit. Even if you hate your job, even if things aren't going great for you in other areas, at least you know you'll have some moment in the day to look forward to that will give you that feeling of joy, that feeling of excitement, that feeling of aliveness. Anyway, I'm not going to do that episode because as I said, I already talked about that way back when in episode number I don't know, because I'm disorganized is the episode that's called what Does It Mean to Live Life Lit. So if you haven't listened to that and you want to find out more about the lit life, go ahead and check that episode out. So basically because of that, I had to come up with something else to talk to you about today. And that's cool, because I do have, as I said last week, lots of things I'd like to share with you, things which helped me, things which still help me, and things which I think that you will find value from, too. So today I'm going to talk about the concept of hiring a professional. What do I mean? What does that mean? And why am I talking to you about hiring a professional? Well, here's the thing. You can figure almost anything out these days. And I say when I talk about Confidence. Confidence is believing that you can figure things out along the way. So if I'm talking about you figuring things out along the way, why am I talking to you about hiring a professional? It's a very good question and there's a reason for it. And the reason is this. Just because you can do something yourself, it doesn't mean that you're the one who should be doing it. And there are some things where it's good to figure it out along the way and at least have a working knowledge, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you should then be the one to do it forever after. And there are some things which you just don't need to be doing unless you really, really want to. So just get a professional to do it. And the thing is doing it yourself, you, as I say, you can figure anything out, and doing it yourself can. It can save you cash. So I get it. It can save yourself some money. And when you're short on cash or you just kind of want to put that money towards other uses, or when somebody's quoting you a ridiculous price for something and you think, I can do that myself, then obviously there's a desire there to save the cash and go ahead and do it. And that's cool. But sometimes what you save in cash, you're losing time. I mean, there's always going to be that cash and time trade off. Now, if you really enjoy doing something, then actually that trade off is worth it because you're saving cash and you're using time to do something that you enjoy. But if you hate the task, then saving cash to spend time doing a task you hate, there's a problem there because you're using that time, which you could be using, to do things that you enjoy, and you're slogging through it and hating every moment of it. And look, there are times when you don't have a choice. But I'm not going to make too many caveats here, because if you've been listening to this podcast for the last few episodes, you'll know if I'm talking to you. And so you'll get where I'm coming from. So I don't want anybody asking me saying, oh, what about when you haven't got money? What about this? What about that? Because everyone has different situations, and if you're in that situation, then I'm not talking to you. But look, I worked in big law. I know some of you work in big law, work in corporate, work in house, so we all have a general idea of what we earn and the salaries that we have. And I'm not looking at anyone's pockets, but, you know, you're the guys that I'm talking to in this, so let's just get that out of the way. Okay, Back to what I was saying. So you have something to do, you hate doing it, but you do it to save cash. So then you save the cash, but you spent the time doing something that you hate, when you could have spent it doing something that would brought you joy, that would have made your life lit. Let me show an example of this.
My.
So my dad. I love my dad. My dad's one of those guys who can pretty much do anything, or if he can't actually do it, he'll know how to do it and can find somebody to help. And as a kid, sometimes I do think that I had watched him more closely and learned more practical skills from him. But, yeah, I didn't. What kind of. I'm just not a di. DIY guy. I just hold my hands up. I'm just not. It doesn't excite me. I don't enjoy it. Same with gardening. My wife's a keen gardener. She likes to get out there and get her fingers green. Not for me. I like to look out in a nice garden, but I don't want to actually be doing the work myself, and I'm okay with that. Anyway, we bought a house earlier this year and we're in the process of doing various things to it. And in the garden of the house, there's a tree there that has been cut down before you moved in, but the stumps still there and the really long roots which kind of go into the lawn. So rather than the lawn being completely flat, it's got this sort of ugly root growing through it. And so when you want to play football, when I want to play football with my kids, it gets in the way. And also it just annoys me looking at it. So we wanted to get rid of this stump for ages and so mentioned to my dad and he was like, oh, you can do that yourself. You know what I mean? You just get this and you do that and you get a chainsaw here and you dig it out there and all that. So I'm just looking at him thinking, I'm not going to do this, so you can tell me this. But I'm not, because I know myself and I. I'm not going to do it. I already don't feel I have time to do all the other things that I want to do. And I really don't want to be digging out a tree stump, so not going to be doing that. So. But he was all about, I mean, you're saving cash and you're getting the work done. Even my mum chimed in, was like, yeah, and you're getting your exercise. Like, no, I get my exercise by going to the gym. That I'm not doing that, not doing that. So eventually I managed to get hold of a gardener and the gardener came around and he made the garden look really nice and all the rest of it, which was cool, but he also took out the tree stump. And to take out that tree stump, I think it probably took two of them, maybe around an hour, maybe a bit more. And it cost me a hundred pounds. Wasn't good. I mean, I could see the value of their professional outfit. They seem like really cool guys. The idea of going away and being sort of confined away rather than trying to be at home and doing it around, everything else seemed to make sense. But. But again, I just kept going back and forth about this. Anyway, in the end I just bit the bullet and said, screw it, I'm doing it. Excuse me. And I booked it. And so I went away and did it. And I knew within probably five or ten minutes of sitting down in the studio that it was the best decision. And it was the best decision because, look, I could have sat here, recorded the book myself. But there's lots of technical requirements for getting your audiobook onto various platforms. There's just the whole prospect of reading your own words. And because you're reading and I write like I talk, you skip over words or you say things how you think you'd say them in the moment, not necessarily how they're written. So there would be errors there. And just the sound, just actually having that isolated sound as well so that it sounds like a professional outfit. I mean, I spent all this time and money getting the book to look professional. I didn't want the audiobook to look half assed. So going away and paying professional to be in a professional studio with professional producers and engineers who had an isolated room which was absolutely dead silent, really top notch gear, who were in my ear and were following along and could point out when I'd made a mistake or when the pace had changed or suggest that maybe I won't want to do this bit again because it didn't sound as good as the bit before, all of those sorts of things were invaluable and were well worth spending the money on hiring professionals to do that job. So there's lots of Other examples that I could share. But I think between the tree stump and the recording studio, I think you kind of get the gist. The gist is that hiring a professional is going to save you. It's going to save you time. And that time can be used to do the things that light you up or to do things that better serve you. It doesn't serve me to go and dig out a tree stump when I haven't done it before. I don't enjoy it. And I can get somebody who it's their job, is their profession, is what they're trained for and pay them to do. Doesn't make sense for me to sit and record my own audiobook and go through the headaches of figuring out what. Whether the technique, technical aspects are correct and the sounds right and the levels are good, when I can pay somebody who has all the equipment and everything that's needed and the experience and the expertise to do that. Just doesn't make sense. And as I was thinking about these stories and these scenarios, it brought me back to the latter five years of my time in big law, when I was spinning out, not really knowing where to turn, feeling stuck and not really knowing how to get out. And if I'd known then what I know now, I would have hired a professional. Thing is, I didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't know that you could hire people, you could hire coaches who could help guide you through those situations. I just thought a coach was what senior lawyers got to help them get ready for partnership. That's kind of how it's presented to me. That's kind of where I saw coaches. I didn't believe or feel that other people had coaches. I just didn't feel that a coach was for me. But if I had known what I know now, chances are I would have just hired a professional and I would have saved myself five years. It would have saved myself so much time in figuring out who I was, what I wanted and where I wanted to be. I would have saved myself so much time in getting the confidence to believe that I could create and design the life that I wanted to live, that I could figure things out along the way, that I didn't need to know the how, I just needed to know the what. And then just trust my intuition and trust in myself, and I would have got the courage a lot quicker to just take the action, to get after it and not worry about it, to just get moving and keep moving. But, hey, that was me. And that's the benefit of hindsight. But the beauty of my hindsight is that I can help you. I can help you to just think about whatever it is that you're doing or you want to get done. Consider whether hiring a professional is the thing to do in that moment. There's a concept I heard someone talk about before called paying to go faster. And in some instances, it's true. By paying somebody to do something, you can make you go faster when they already have the skills, the knowledge and the expertise, when they've already been there before. Tapping into that can sometimes help you to go ahead of a lot faster than trying to figure it all out on your own. And as I said at the start of this episode, there are advantages to figuring some things out on your own. For me, sometimes I just like to know how to do the thing, go through the pain of doing the thing, so that when I do hire a professional, I do get somebody to help. I already know how to do it. And there's value in that, in some things, but not in everything.
So that's today's episode.
Hire professional. You can try and do everything yourself, and you may save the cash, but you'll lose on the time. And time is the one resource which cannot be renewed, can always make more cash. You can always get another job. You can always start a business. You can always generate ideas. You cannot get back more time. So I want to leave you with that today. And if this episode has made you think, okay, yeah, I have been spinning out for a while. Maybe now is the time that I kind of got some support to just help sort through some of the thoughts that are in your head, Whether it's getting clarity on what it is and all the ideas that you've got going on and your values, or whether it's just kind of building some belief to take the next step, whether it's just getting the courage to do something, to just take action. Come, come talk to me and we'll see how we can make that happen together. And as it's my birthday, what I have decided to do this week is open up some solo slots. So normally my coaching programs are a program. They're a minimum of 12 weeks, and that's kind of what we do. And then we go beyond that if, if, if we both feel that we want to do that. But as it's my birthday, I was like, what can I do? What can I do for the people that listening to my podcast, people that are supporting me, the people that are really getting. Getting something from what I'm sharing and really benefiting from that. And so what I'm going to do is I'm opening up what I call one to one acceleration sessions. And these are 75 minute coaching sessions where we sit down and I can coach you on one specific thing. So for example, when I've done these in the past, somebody came to me because they were struggling to implement boundaries and build sort of sustainable habits so they could create space and time to actually start to figure out what it was that they wanted. So he worked on that. What else have we done? I've worked with people on getting the courage to give a speech, for example. I mean, just kind of really role playing and going through the process of getting up and talking or just having a conversation with their boss about something that's a little bit challenging. So it can be anything that is a sticking point for you, that is stopping you from moving. And you just want to have a little bit of support with that. And also, particularly if you haven't had a coach before, you may just kind of want to get a taste of what coaching was all about and this is a great way of doing it. So one to one acceleration session and you get 75 minutes and then you also get five days of Voxer support thereafter with me to help give you that support and that accountability. Voxer is just a voice messaging app and it's really cool. I use it a lot with my own coaches and also with my clients. And it's a really great way of kind of having that back and forth post session.
So if you've thought about working with.
Me or even if listening to this episode you thought that actually. Yep. Now's the time to stop spinning out and really kind of see how I can start to move forward. Head to iamryanspence.com coaching and just read through the page there. That page is all about what I do as coach, all about how it can help you and learn about the program. And there's also some information at the bottom about the acceleration session. Or alternatively, you can shoot me an email@hey, that's h e yamrynespence.com and we can chat there and I can shoot you the details and you can book a call and finally you can get yourself onto my email list, which is where all the magic happens. So head to iamrinespence.com and cl the link to download your free confidence journal and that will get you on the list. And that way you'll always be up to date on what else is going on. What other goodies I'm giving away. I think I'm going to be doing some, some sort of promotions around the audiobook once that is due for release, which should be sometime in July. So to find out about all of that, you're going to want to get on the email list. So all of those links will be in the show notes and anything else you can always head to im Ryan Spence.com and find it all there. Thanks as always for listening to me. I just, I just love that you guys tune in week in, week out and obviously to do that you're getting something from the episode and that really, really means a lot to me. I would love to hear what insights you take away from this episode or any previous episode. Shoot me an email hey@iamrinespence.com or hit me up on Instagram or LinkedIn and yeah, just let me know. And if you did take some really cool insights away, share, share the episode, share it on your social media. Share it with a friend. The more that we can share positivity, we can share things that are giving a positive impact to to our lives with others. We create that ripple effect and that's a beautiful thing. So thanks again and as always, until.
Next week, stop living a life of lethargy. Start living life. Thanks for tuning in to the Triple C project. Before you go, I want to share something with you. When I was in Big Law, I struggled with limiting beliefs. I didn't have the confidence to believe that I could change my life, that I could leave Big Law and do something differently, that I could move from a life of lethargy and create a life that's lit. That's why I created the Confidence Journal for people like you, who are in the same position that I was, who are struggling with that confidence and need a boost to allow you to believe you can do the things that you want to do. Confidence Journal is six journal prompts that I've used and I still use to help me get from the guy who was too scared to post on Instagram, to the guy who is now committed.
To giving a TED Talk, the guy.
Who wrote a book, to the guy.
Who launched the podcast.
You can do any of this too. All you need to do is stop boosting your confidence. So to do that, head to iamrinespence.com and download the Confidence Journal. It's free, it works and it's going.
To change your life.
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