Creating A Calming And Healing Space with Carolyn Boldt

Hello, my friends, and welcome to Perfect Practice. Today you are in for a treat because I'm speaking to a very, very special woman who I've literally just gotten to know, but I feel like I've known for a very long time. So with me today, I have Carolyn Bolt. And Carolyn is somebody who can beautify your space. And by beautifying your space, it allows for. For maximum healing to take place. You know, I'll share a quick story. I went to a doctor's appointment today with my parents, and the moment I walked in there, my nervous system was. And my OCD went into overdrive. There was stuff all over the place. Everything on the wall was hanging crooked. You know, there was like, stuff that was taped onto the wall that was totally outdated. And I. And I could feel that immediately, not just visually, but in my nervous system. I could feel that immediately. And there's quite a different feeling that takes place when you walk into an aesthetically beautiful place or a space that's laid out with intention, where the furniture is chosen appropriately, everything's the right size. You know, the colors, the imagery, the frames. Like, every single detail that it's paid attention to doesn't just show up in the visuals, but it shows up in your client's nervous system. So super excited to have this conversation because of this very topic. It's something that is very near and dear to me, and I know it's something that's very near and dear to Carolyn. So, Carolyn, thank you so much for joining me today. I appreciate you taking time out of your day to speak with us and share your gift with our community.

Well, thank you for having me. I look forward to it.

Yeah. So you design wellness spaces and you work with holistic practitioners. Yes, you had me there. What I'd love to know, maybe just our listeners and for even my. Myself, for me to know. What got you into the wellness space? Why? Why wellness? Because as a designer, you can go in so many different directions. But why wellness for you?

The. Well, I'm a degreed commercial interior architectural designer, so that got me there. And then personally, I had a. Well, my. My father died at a young age from the complications of chemotherapy. And that kind of opened myself up to other than the medical profession. And then my daughter, at 2 years old, she's now 34, had chronic tonsillitis. And I was a single mom and didn't know exactly what to do. But I got exposed to her pediatrician, wanted her tonsils out, and I was like, I'm not putting a 2 year old in surgery. So I avoided it and ended up meeting different chiropractors and got exposed to pediatric chiropractic and what that could do and what that was all about. And she ended up getting adjusted and going through treatments with the chiropractor, and she still has her tonsils today. So that opened me up to how your body can heal if you give it all that it needs to heal. And then my personal journey took me more into functional medicine and healing things that the doctor said, oh, there's nothing wrong with you. But I was like, I'm not as good as I could be. So personally, I was already. I already drank the Kool Aid, if you follow what I'm saying. And then in 2003, we started doing work. My husband also is in commercial design and construction. We started doing work at Life University, which is a chiropractic college here in Atlanta. And we were doing facility design and. But we got involved in laying out chiropractic clinics and chiropractic for the university and really began to understand all of the different. Just the uniqueness of chiropractic. And then we also began to really be understanding of the holistic practitioners striving against the medical model. And really saw this was 2007, 2008, that kind of evolved into, you know, we could help these people because they need to show up super professional. They need to show up with respect. And part of that is their environment. And it's not all of it, but you can't ignore needs to be intentional. It needs to be paid attention to. So we had an opportunity to do a few clinics, a few startup clinics. We got an opportunity to teach some classes. And then in about 2012, we just figured out this is what we need to be doing. So we do it all over the world virtually, and we focus just in the holistic practitioner market.

I love that. I love that I'm liking you more and more as we. As we get to know each other better. So thank you for sharing that.

You're welcome.

What are some of the. You know, what are some of the common mistakes that you see? Like when you walk into an office, for example, for the first time, you know, where. Where do your eyes get drawn or where is your energy drawn to?

Wow. Well, when I work into. When I. Well, where do I want the eyes to be drawn to versus what really does happen? If there's two different things? So what. So when we're working with our. Our clients, we talk to them about, where do you want the client's, the patient's eyes to be drawn. And that's where you want to put your focus first. Because if you have too many things to focus on, it happens what you're just saying. The energy becomes very distorted or becomes very confused or very. It's just not as soothing and calming as it should be. And no matter what practice, type of practice you have, you're going to want a healing space. Now the other thing we want to do is make sure that we're designing for your ideal patient. So we'll work with sports doctors and that'll have a different feel than pediatric doctors versus someone that works with geriatrics. So you want to do that also. But the first place you're going to eyes are going to be drawn is should be intentional. So what we like to do is that front desk that where that ideally you have a wonderful greeting person that brings warmth and energy and positivity to express that first impression that you have. I don't know if that answered your question, but the other thing that happens to me is, yes. When I go into an office that's not well designed, my mind starts clicking through it. Why they do that? Why did they do that? Why did they do this? Yes, definitely.

Husband's right. Well, you probably say this the other. I can't take you anywhere.

It's terrible. Well, he's. It's also bad because he's an architectural engineer and a contractor and we go places and we're touching the walls and we're looking at the lights and we're doing weird people. That's like, okay, just leave them alone.

That's awesome. What's it like working with your spouse? I work with my spouse as well, so I get questions about that all the time. So since, you know, we. We brought your husband up, I'm curious as to what that dynamic is like for both of you.

It's good now. It's really good now. Took a while to learn when we first started working together. We really started working together in 2004. And we. We had challenges because we overlapped each other's sandbox, if you follow what I'm saying. We. And we had. Once we figured out what his giftings were and what my giftings were as, you know, because as independent as independent entrepreneurs, your giftings have to be everything at one time. But then when you bring in a partner, because I was working on my own before him, and when I bring him in as the partner, it's like, okay, what am I not as good at that he can let go of and or that he can take over and things of that sort. So it's a. It's a learning curve. And it actually, to be real honest with you, it took a coach to help us figure out that we had a challenge there. It's like we didn't know that we did. So we're thankful that that person came in because we're. We're happily married today.

Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. Your husband's name's Scott. It's so. And acknowledge him and, you know, one of the things that is important, you know, you bring. I know we're talking about space, but I think how we share space with others also makes a big difference. My wife and I both work from home, and we've got to share space with one another. And, you know, I've got to respect the space and make sure I tidy up and clean up after myself and vice versa. She's cleaner and tidier than I am. And it became my mission over these last four months to make sure that I leave every space that I interact with better than I found it. So that I feel really helped. We had a great marriage and we still do, but I feel like that really helped. So space can also affect relationships. It can.

It can. And it's very much. It's very much. We take it for granted, you know, and what you're doing is you're being intentional because you acknowledge her interest in it and her. But even the space around us, I don't know how many times I've thought about. I can't even work until I get everything organized around me. And not everyone's like that, but we have to play to that side. And you think about your patients when they walk in the door. You don't know which ones are going to be bothered by the mess and the pile on the desk. So just don't have it. It's just like the idea of being on time. You know, it's more acceptable to be earlier, a little bit earlier on time than it is to be late. And even though there's plenty of people that are just don't care and they're just. They end up showing up late, if you follow what I'm saying. So it's like go to the side of the. The most commonly respected is the word I want is how I want to say it.

Yeah. When. When in doubt. Beyond. Beyond time or early or making sure your space is clean. And it's funny because one of the first exercises I have my clients do, and it sounds so silly. It's almost like a Karate Kid type of thing is I tell them to clean their desk. And I know, I'm like, listen, I know I can't see it, but you can. And that's why it matters. And so that's the first exercise I have them do. And then get them to declutter their space and then we have them expand that outwards concentrically from. From where they sit and where they play. And it makes such a huge difference. It does. They feel so.

It does.

So I'm curious as to, like, I know you work with people virtually and you work on helping their physical offices, brick and mortar locations. And based on our conversation, you also work with people who work virtually so you can help them. Like you could literally help me with my space, for example. What does that process look like? Where does that process start? Like, how do people find you? I'm sure you get a lot of referrals from the university as an example, but how does that process start? What is, what does that entail?

That's a lot of questions. So let me see if I can start with people find Us. I mean, we love when people find us through referrals. We love it. But most of the people find us through Google searches, to be real honest with you, because we've got a lot of. So going back in 2009, 2010, 2011, when I felt this purpose to help the chiropractors and the holistic doctors, I started writing a lot of blogs and I actually started just a WordPress WordPress blog side of writing a lot of material, not thinking it would ever be a business. So that's kind of. And then teaching, we were teaching, we were just doing it free at the university. And so out of that teaching, people would find us and stuff. And that's what organically said. You know what, we've got enough people asking us, let's see what we can do here, if that makes sense. So most people find us through some kind of Google search. We have a, we have a huge Pinterest board and a huge Pinterest connection and stuff because we post our stuff, you know, and, and we put it out there and it's just organic. So that's how people find us. And we've got a lot of free resources and we do the typical email marketing, nurturing, all of those things we do. But ultimately our goal is to get you on phone call to do a comp. We call it a complimentary consultation because people either, either they have a project that they need done, so they're moving spaces, their leases up, they're buying a building, they're having something that's our most common project. Or what happens a lot of times is they have a coach that says, you want to grow your business, but your office is hurting you. So let's look at what you can do to do what we call a facelift on your office. So they'll come to us with a hey, what is this going to look like? So we do that. We kind of work in both areas because it's still all design, it's still all working through. Then what we do is we go, we have six steps in our process. And the first step is discovery. You know, what do you really need? The second step is kind of doing a big picture analysis of how that solutions could happen, whether it's space planning, aesthetic design, whatever, and just try to really big picture to see the feasibility of it. And then once the feasibility, we pass step two, the feasibility is determined, then we'll actually get into the construction drawings and the interior design as we know it. Because we're full architects, we're full interiors, and we're also full, we have an engineering association. So we can create complete sets of construction drawings and we can do ground ups and things like that. But our most common is building out an interior space.

Okay. And you know, just in case somebody's wondering what, and what I'm wondering as well is you could work with the existing space that they have. They don't need to necessarily move walls, but sometimes it might be necessary if they want to create more space in the lobby or, you know, great, you know, different size offices.

And yeah, most, most people, it seems to be very much more acceptable to ask for help to deal with a bottleneck that they have than it is to make their space look better. So one of the fallacies to me is that interior does really good. Interior design is not a luxury. It's a business investment. It's an investment in your marketing, it's investment in your image, it's investment in your expectations. As your patients come in, you want them to see. We were talking earlier, think about retail design. When you walk into a retail store, if that store does not support what you're buying, there's a disconnect. And that confusion causes people to not trust anymore. And you start to lose. You lose sales, you lose you, you lose patience, you lose referrals. Referrals are a big thing. We see, we'll see patient, we'll see clients that do a facelift and they'll have a Good client list. And all of a sudden their clients are their, their, let me call them their patients, not their clients, but their patient list. And all of a sudden their patients start referring people. They never referred them before. They've been going to them 10 years because they weren't proud. So they were kind of getting past the hey, this place looks like a horrid blood. I'm going to that doctor. That doctor's amazing, but it's just horrible. I don't want to refer anybody. So that's an interesting thing we see happen a lot. So, and then you think about it, you're, you're getting your patients through the websites or through referrals. You want to make sure that you show up your best. So the dress for success mentality.

Yeah. You know, you, you mentioned interior design, but the thing that people see first is the exterior. So do you, do you guys work with that or do you partner with somebody else on the exterior components?

So if someone comes to us and they have bought a building or they are building a building, we can definitely help them. But if someone comes to us and they're leasing a space and they don't have any kind of control of the exterior, we can't really help that. Do you follow what I'm saying? But if we get to them early enough, if they come to us in step one, we love them to come to us in what we call step one, which is before they actually start to go look for space, they just realize they have a challenge and they have a problem. So they come to us at that point then one of the things we're going to do is we're going to get them really clear on their vision. Their, not only their square footage that they need and the requirements requirements they need for flow, but their vision for their identity of who, how they're going to show up based on their ideal patient, etc, and that should help them as they're thinking about their curb appeal of the offices that they're looking at. But if they have a building and they need a, we do facelifts on buildings also because yes, that can be a necessary. Because you, if the, if it's not really good looking when they walk in, what do we do? And another thing is that some of your clients might have just one room they rent. Right. So are they do something like that. So when that happens, you know, just being. You can't always change the exterior, but you can choose if that's what you're going to. It's part of your vision. What you're looking at.

Yeah, you know, we, we've talked about clients and, and how that impacts them and their willingness to refer. How about the staff because they're spending the most amount of time there. I, I'd love to know if you have any feedback that you receive from staff when an office goes through a makeover. Because I'm sure the morale goes up.

Oh, the morale goes way up. The morale goes way up and the retention goes up. It's really easily seen. And the whole idea that the, what, what really helps is if the patient, the staff has been involved in it. So if they're, especially if we're moving to a new space and the staff gets to put their two cents in, that gets them involved, etc. You can't let them make all the decisions. And the last thing you need is designed by committee. But, you know, getting that input and getting, and, and you're looking at their functional space. So one of the things the staff love is if the function works better. Because, you know, if it's, if the flow is off, it's costing them energy, it's costing them time, it's costing them effort, it's adding to your overhead, it's costing you money. So, you know, all of those things have to happen. We talked earlier about form follows function. So we have to lead with the function. But form is not an afterthought, it is connected. It's integral, goes all the way through the process.

You know, we talked about one common mistake that people make is they don't have maybe a focal point when the client walks into the practice. What are some other things that you see that you know that maybe practitioners who are listening to this want to be aware of? So aside from the focal point, what are some other.

Some other, some other. So let's talk about the existing practice. Okay. Because that's, that's really where we're going to focus on. So, and one of the free resource that we're offering your listeners goes through the five points. We call it a five point designer checklist. And what we do is we're talking, we're using it to say, okay, what are the common things that happen? So the, one of the very first common things is exactly what you said. Is it cluttery? Is it cluttery? Is it. You described it beautifully. Or stuff stuck on the wall with tape. I mean, what, what does that look like? Can we unclutter? Can we clean it out? Is it dirty? It's amazing. Are things dirty? And then are things worn out? Are they ripped? You know, is that showing up? Are the walls scuffed? Is it dirty? So just things, just maintenance things. It's amazing how we can live in a space for a while and because it's so slowly deteriorates over time, we don't see it anymore. So the first thing we say in this booklet even, and as I'm talking it's, you can't see it. Bring in a third party to walk with you. Someone ideally, it's your ideal patient, someone that would really, that you would trust, that would be really honest and walk through with this checklist and go, what do you think? Have them grade you on it. Then we go from there. Things that are dated. So here you are trying to show up as you really know your stuff and you're. You really got it together and you walk in and everything around you looks like it came from 1980. So you haven't really changed. And we see this happen a lot when people buy practices so they take over practice. And maybe the practice was relatively successful. Once again, they've had a long group of patients that just stayed with them forever, but it's not showing up as this new practitioner. And so things that are dated, then the other two things is lighting, color and lighting. So what can you do with color and what can you do with lighting? And those are two of the least expensive things you can do to really change your practice.

That's amazing. A fresh coat of paint goes a long way or, you know, just even changing the directionality or the color temperature of the lighting. Yes. Makes such a huge difference. And yeah, those are. That's like a trip to the hardware store or a quick call to a painter can make all the difference in the world.

Very much so.

Very good. Now we're talking about physical spaces. And this is where, you know, clients come and visit you physically. What are some tips you can offer for people who are working virtually?

So pay attention to what people see behind you, because it's important. And there was a. We didn't do this, but we took a class. All of us took a. The designers took a class where the, the, the designer was teaching about the pros and the back and forth and what happens to people that are doing virtually. And they did a whole before and after. And it was amazing how their pro practice elevated just by changing their background image. So it matters. It show, it shows up. And we were talking also earlier about the difference between a real, physical, beautiful space behind you versus using the zoom space. And not that anything's wrong with the zoom stuff, but Know that as you move, your head kind of goes away and things happen. And so if you can, don't. If you can get away with doing a real physical, beautiful space behind you, it just, it's more connected, it comes together better.

Yeah. And maybe something I can offer to the listeners as well is having a good camera makes a big difference as well. And you know, the camera, you can adjust the brightness and the contrast and color saturation so that it can compensate for low lighting or maybe let's call it dysfunctional lighting. And I also feel like a quality microphone makes a big difference as well. So, you know, if you're practicing virtually, yes, we want to have a nice beautiful space and of course we want to be able to see you nice and clear and hear you nice and clear. And it's, it's amazing how much of a difference that one thing makes. You know, sometimes you get on a call with somebody and they look like they're in the witness protection program because they've got this like bright window behind them and they're completely like blacked out and they're all like fuzzy and blurry. And you know, of course it, it makes a difference, right. How we, how we engage with our clients. So, yeah, I think paying attention to that is, is hugely important, especially, you know, if you're virtual. And of course probably even more important because people are walking in that three dimensional space if they're coming into a brick and mortar location.

Yeah. And the, the, when you're virtual, you know, we're talking about what your patients see, but remember, your energy is important too. So we talked about the patients, we talked about the staff. But you need to be proud of your space too. And you need to feel the good energy in your space too. And be. And you know, light, you talked about lighting and color, temperature and those things has so much impact on how we just our energy and our mood and you know, and you don't want it too bright, but you don't want it too dark. Because if it's too dark, unless you intentionally want a space that people are going to be really calm in and you want the lights to be super low. You know, you just need to pay attention to what you can change how people behave in the space just by changing the lighting. Just by changing the lighting, you're talking about color, temperature, light levels, etc. And then the other big thing is color. We were talking about paint. You know, there's a whole. I could spend 10 hours just talking about the psychology of color and all the different Things that your mind takes in when you see different colors.

Yeah. So it all adds up. Right. To create a very memorable and unique experience for people. And there's so many people's lives that can be transformed by that beautiful space, especially if they're coming in, you know, for, for a healing session. Whether it's chiropractic or massage or acupuncture or ayurveda, whatever the intervention is, it's always enhanced by a beautiful space that's well thought out, that's well laid out, that has form, that has function, that has flow to it. And you know, a lot of times that's when the healing begins. Right. It's just feeling that I'm in the right place.

Yes, yes.

You know, aside from the visuals and maybe this, maybe this does come up in your conversations, maybe not. But I'm curious what your commentary would be on like smells and music and, and just appealing to some of the other senses. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Yes. So we were talking earlier about retail design and hospitality design. So retail design, we focus on that very first impression which is 99 visual. Right. That you take in. But the hospitality design really goes beyond that into all the other senses. And you're absolutely right. So smell, I don't know if you've ever noticed in different high end hotels that you'll go in, you'll have a scent, they have their own custom scent. And that your scent, your memory, what do you call it, whatever that gland is of your scent, it just slipped me. Is it called the scent gland? It, your. That part has a huge memory factor to it. And that's why people doing like custom homes sometimes will be baking cookies because it kind of brings back old home or you know, kind of that comfort effect or mom's cooking and stuff. Or they'll do fireplaces where you'll smell a little bit of the fireplace. Things like that, that your smell and is associated with memories. So that's what these host hospital, excuse me, hotel chains are doing, is creating that sense and that memory. And so practitioners can do that too. They can do it with essential oils. They can do it. There's actually is things that you can send smells out into the air, but you want to make sure it's healthy that you're putting out in the air. But you follow me. So that's one of the things and one of we laugh it because some practitioners that we've worked with, they essential oils, it's part of their practice. So they'll have a different essential oil. So That'll be something that patients come in and go, okay, what's the essential oil of the week and what are we featuring and things of that sort. So, yeah, Pete, it's a, it's definitely a piece that needs to be thought through.

Yeah, we used to. Oh, go ahead, finish your thought.

No, no, no, I was going to go to the next scent. So tell me about more about. Smell is huge.

Yeah, so we would always diffuse an essential oil called De Stress. And people would come in and, you know, of course we'd have our visual space set up beautiful, beautifully, but then they would smell that essential oil and they would just, you could just see them immediately, shoulders down, relaxing their nervous system, you know, shifting gears. So, yeah, I love essential oils that can make such a huge impact for people. And I believe you were referring to the limbic brain where we store memories and association. So, yeah, we call that limbic hijacking. So we want to hijack people's limbic systems and make them, you know, make their experience memorable and associate it and tie it to scent. And one of the things that we do now that we work virtually, we used to have a brick and mortar practice, but now that we work virtually, we would actually spritz our welcome package that we send out in the mail with lavender essential oil. So as soon as they open up the package, they're, they're not smelling cardboard, they're smelling lavender essential oil. And it just creates that, you know, that 5D experience for them.

Oh, that is awesome. Yes, that's awesome.

So, so let's talk about music.

I think that was, yeah, music and, and hearing in the sound. And it's interesting because, well, music creates so many different moods. Right. And what kind of mood are you trying to create? But just paying attention to the sound and paying attention especially if, you know, you want a space to be calm. And there's, you know, we've had situations where the next door neighbors are a, you know, a fitness gym that they have loud music going on and things like that. So what we say is be really a care careful when you're leasing a space, you're getting a space of what's around you that will go into your space. Take precautions there. But yeah, having a gentle music happening all the time and just can calm people down. Well, you know, it like, it just calms babies. It calms everyone. So especially if you're creating a healing space, so that can be. Or if you're creating a space, you know, we work with, we're talking about sports and stuff. We do work with people that work with athletes and they want to create an energetic space.

Right.

So changing that music to create, you know, more of a gym. Especially if they have a physical therapy area or active therapy area, you want to make sure that that creates the energy that they're looking for in that space. And you can have different sounds in different, different parts of your office and be. The other one is touch. People don't think about touch, but, you know, what are people feeling? What are the textures? And you know, as interior designers, we love our beautiful fabrics and the beautiful textures on the wall and things. So you're seeing them. But when people want to go up and touch them, there's a, there's a whole level of dimension there that we're creating also.

Yeah, I know.

I got one of them. What is it? Taste. So taste is having hospitality, you know, areas and bringing that. And that's a, that's something that just really will differentiate from the medical profession. Medical professions don't have a hospitality bar. You know, they may now have a Keurig in the, in the corner, but they don't have the, the herbal teas and the, you know, the nuts and the things for people to have. And that can create just, you know, hominess. If that's part of your per, you know, your personality. It's not a have to by any means, but it's an opportunity.

So, yeah, you're, you're hitting all the, all the right notes. Like we would do all of these things. We would have essential oils, we would offer them a mushroom coffee or tea when they, when they came in. We'd have some light snacks for them as well. So, you know, and really just trying to hit all the senses so that when they come there, when they, when they would come to our office and the offices that you help create, it would be just an all out loving experience that they would have. And they, and, and people, people know like, I mean, you know, like it's, it's those little details that really add up to create a memorable experience for people. And as you mentioned, people are more likely to refer. The staff is proud to work there. Right. They're more likely to probably refer their friends or bring their friends over and refer family members to the office and of course, the practitioner themselves. So I love this, this is one of my favorite topics and I'm so glad that we had a chance to have this conversation today.

I hope it's been helpful.

Yes, yeah, certainly, certainly for me it has because it's just reinforcing some of the things that, that I love doing and speaking about. And I know that somebody who's listening to this can probably think of maybe a handful of things that they can do to enhance their space and look at it through a new lens at least. Right. And I like the idea of having someone you like and know and trust who can give you some honest feedback to walk you through your space and say, hey, like, maybe you don't notice this anymore, but, you know, it's time to upgrade some of these things because when we're in our own space, we, we tend to kind of.

We do.

We, you know, things disappear. Right? They don't. They're not part of our visual awareness anymore. You did mention a few times that we've got a great gift that we want to offer people. I'm going to put that link in the show notes, okay. So that people can get access to it, but tell us a little bit more about what's in that guide.

So it's the five Point Designer Checklist, and it goes through these five key things that we would look at as designers. The very first five things we would look at as designer. When we're looking at doing a facelift for someone. So, you know, it, you don't need us to look at it, but if you hit a place where you look at it and I don't know how to fix it, then come see us. But a lot of these things are fixable, you know, cleaning up your office, we can't. We can't clean up your office for you, you know, so those are just things that. So the five points are in there. And it's really set up to be printed and handwritten. Walk through with a clipboard, with someone to take notes, and like I said, going with someone else, that would be another set of eyes for you that is not used to your space. And it's not. That'll be honest.

Yeah, great, great suggestions. And, you know, I want to encourage everyone to check out your website, Crossfields Design.com again. We'll put the link in the show notes. Beautiful website. I love the designs. Like, I already feel like there's a part of me that's healing just looking at some of the portfolio that you've put together. So great work. And for those of you that are curious, you know, click on the link, check out the website, and if you're ready to redesign your practice or have ever thought about it, I think you know who I would recommend. And, you know, I think you can set up a free consultation to go through that discovery process to see if working with you and your team is the right next step and the right fit.

Yes.

From what I'm seeing, I can see that. I can see that there's a lot of happy clients that you worked with, because these are some beautiful spaces you've designed. So thank you.

Well, thank you very much. We. We want to elevate this holistic health care. Definitely.

It. It's long overdue.

Yes. We want you to go save more lives.

So thank you. Well, Kellen, is there anything else that you'd like to share with our audience that I didn't ask you, perhaps?

I can't think of anything. I think it's been great. I'm just, you know, we're here to help if you need it. And like I said, lots of free resources as well as you can hire us if that would work.

Amazing. Well, friends, check out their website, get the free guide, assess your space, make sure it's a healing environment for you, your team, your clients, because we need all the advantages that we can have, and certainly the environment that we're in makes such a huge difference in that journey for ourselves and for the clients that we work with. And check out Carolyn's work, Scott's work. Their team does some amazing, beautiful work. And I know you're going to really like the designs that they've created, and hopefully they'll be in your office redesigning it and recreating a space that enhances the healing of your clients. So thank you again, Carolyn.

Thank you.

Lots of love, lots of gratitude, and much appreciation for you.

Appreciate you, too. Thank you.

My pleasure.