Overcoming any obstacle through mindset

Lisa Jackson broke both wrists and had surgery, then rebuilt her life by shifting from nursing to functional medicine. She shares how mindset, breathwork, sleep rituals, and eating real food helped her recover, plus why prevention and stress resiliency matter more than most people think.
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All right, it looks like we're live. Hello, friends. Welcome to Perfect Practice Today. With me, I have a very special guest. We have Lisa Jackson, who's joining us. And we have a lot of great things that we're going to be sharing today. But I want to kick off today by letting everyone know the elephant in the room. Lisa, if you would raise your hands for me. Yes. Tell us what we see there. What are we seeing there?
Three weeks ago, I broke both of my wrists in a tennis. A competitive tennis match trying to backpedal for an overhead and wasn't sure I was going to be able to make this podcast. Three weeks ago, it took a week to get a surgeon to put steel plates in and screws and to have surgery, which will be two weeks tomorrow. So very grateful to be here. Very grateful that I could. Actually, today was the first day I could put makeup on and do my hair for a solid almost two weeks. I couldn't do anything. And sometimes we don't appreciate what we have until we lose it.
Yeah, I would say that we never appreciate what we truly have until we lose it. I'm grateful that we're able to connect today and grateful that the healing process is taking place for you. And I'm sure you're healing on more levels than just the physical. What was. What was maybe the biggest spiritual lesson you learned through this process?
You know, I had just the day before, created a presentation for two of my groups and my private clients on the importance of mindset and meditation and as far as healing. And one of the things in my presentation was when trauma hits or when you get a scary diagnosis. As I work with a lot of people with chronic illness, instead of saying, what's wrong with me? Instead of beating ourselves up, you know, how could I have been so stupid? How could I make this mistake? What? Instead of beating ourselves up and asking, why is this happening to me? To ask why is this happening for me? And I'm sitting six hours in the ER waiting to see if I could get a surgeon to fix it or get. My wrist was at a 45 degree angle. It was not pretty thinking, why is this happening for me and what is the message and what do I need to do differently? And, you know, every trauma has a gift, and the gift that we can fill this out. And I realized there's several things that I needed to do for myself. Number one, I've been feeling a little overwhelmed with my practice. As you said, there's no lack of need for what we do. I needed to be Able to ask for help, receive help, and learn to delegate. Because I wasn't doing anything for the next two weeks and I was afraid it was even going to be longer than that. I'm feeling very fortunate. But my presentation was about also meditation and the importance of meditation in the healing process and moving from the sympathetic overdrive in our nervous system to the parasympathetic, from fight and flight to rest and repair. So I really had to do a lot of soul searching meditation to help with the pain and prayer. You know, I was really afraid to go into surgery. I hadn't had never had anything this severe happen. And I think it's the body. I always say the body follows the mind and the mind follows the breath. And so breath work is another key tool and skill set that I know you're very familiar with that I also teach to my clients. And so even using breath work to get through the pain until a couple of hours later before they could set me and give me medication and pain medication and what not. So looking back, there were a lot of pearls. A lot of pearls. And for someone, I think women particularly want to do it all. We feel like we should be doing it all. And it's often hard to ask for help and to receive help. And I certainly was in a position to do that. And very, very grateful for friends and family and colleagues who really all came together. And one colleague even came down and stayed with me for two or three days while my husband was traveling the week after surgery to be my hands so I could get a little bit of work done.
Yeah, I mean, lots to be grateful for. Right? People that show up for you and the ability for you to be more reflective. Right. Where we tend to be as entrepreneurs go, go, go. And sometimes it's the universe's way or God's way or our body's way of signaling to us, hey, it's time to slow down. And you know, when you're, as you're sharing this, it reminds me of a time when I, I got a call coming back from Houston when my brother broke his foot. So he actually broke his tibia and his fibula in a, in a. He just landed on somebody's foot awkwardly playing basketball and it snapped. And he's an optometrist, so for him, you know, he had to get a rod put into his leg and his business was growing. And you know, it's easy to, easy to get into a funk when you can't move. Right. Especially because of how important movement is to our emotional health and so he was basically, you know, trapped in a way with himself, which is the hardest place to be sometimes, right? Trapped in a room with ourselves. And the mind can wander and it can go in so many different directions. And, you know, thankfully you have tools that can keep your mind, you know, on a singular focus and keep you moving in the right direction. But it forced him to delegate, forced him to learn how to operate his business without him physically being able to be there. Right. So, you know, and since then, he's had tremendous growth. He's, you know, catapulted his business in the right direction and systemized it. And it gave, you know, being. Being grounded in a way gave him the opportunity to be able to do that. Once, of course, the pain subsided and, you know, all the discomforts and things had settled down, he was in a position to do that. So hopefully this is a very similar story for you. If we look forward into the future, two years from now, we might look back and be like, me breaking my wrist was the best thing that ever happened to my business.
It's funny, one of my colleagues is a healer, and he was on vacation with his wife in Colorado, and he said, I want to do a little energetic healing work on you before surgery. And he said, let's neutralize fear. I said, yeah, I'm having a lot of fear about this. How do we do that? He said, let's think of the worst case scenario that can happen to you and then the best case scenario. And I said, well, the worst case scenario is I can never do yoga or tennis again in my mind. And he says, oh, no, Lisa, the worst case scenario is you could get a really bad infection and they'd have to amputate your hands. Oh, I even thought about that. Thanks, Ellen. But the best case scenario. And I was thinking about this, well, you know, I can use this to become a better role model, to become more empathetic to, you know, I'm the bionic woman. I'll be back on the tennis court with, you know, steel, steel wrist, even stronger and better able than before. And I think really learning compassion, compassion and empathy for ourselves first so we can have it for each other. And patience. Patience is not something that's. That's not a innate skill for me. I want everything done yesterday.
Well, I think you're like most people, including myself. How great would that be if things could be done yesterday? Looking at your bio, I noticed a few things that kind of jump out. One is that you're a grandmother, so I hear. That's like the most. That's even more rewarding than being a parent.
Oh, yeah.
My son's only 12 and I'm kind of putting the bug in his ear to have kids when you're young so that we can experience that. So I'm sure there's lots to unpack there and all the lessons that they teach you. You're an entrepreneur, you're an author, you're a speaker, you're a functional medicine practitioner and health coach and a yoga dance teacher, and you're a retired nurse. So pretty colorful background and rich experiences that you bring to the table. What I'd love to know is what inspired you to do the work that you're doing right now.
Yeah, great question. So I did conventional nursing. I worked in med surg, cardiac care, stepped down ICU. I was the coordinator of a 28 day inpatient substance abuse program. I did utilization review, I ran a crisis center. I went through all of the areas of conventional medicine and when managed care came in and realized that really we weren't. It wasn't about building health, it was disease management. And that often what people had access to was all dependent on money and not always what's in the best case of the patient. And so I left healthcare. I retired. I said, I can't do this anymore. This is not, you know, we've got the revolving door syndrome where we're just trying to patch them up and then they're coming back or we're giving a pill for every ill. And you know, I am in my 60s now and I should be, if I'm the average American, on 10 medications. And with my own personal story, I would be on 10 medications. I had an autoimmune disease. I had high blood pressure, I had high cholesterol. I was wearing bifocals at age 50. And so anyway, I left health care. I had another career and bringing innovative green solutions to the marketplace. I had a sales and business development and career. And around 50, I was trying to figure out what do I want to be when I grow up. And I was at a conference that I had sponsored and one of the other sponsors was telling me that at age 50 he went back to law school because that was his passion. And I thought, what is my passion? A lot of my friends were getting really sick. They'd worked so hard all their life, and then coming up with chronic illness and that I knew were preventable. You know, I've always been very much into diet and yoga and I used a lot of these tools that I teach now. So I started studying integrated nutrition and I thought, you know, I'm going to think about my next transition. And then my 28 year old daughter was diagnosed with cancer. And it was the same cancer that took my once then 19 year old boyfriend 35 years earlier. And my mother in law, her grandmother that I had diagnosed as a young nurse took her to her chemo and took care of her while I was pregnant with my third child. And they wanted to give her the same chemotherapy that failed for two other people that I loved. And I just knew that I was thinking about how technology has changed in 35 years, 30 years, and yet we're still doing the same thing with conventional medicine. And my daughter was 5 10, 110 pounds, married, living in Detroit. And my head was saying, oh well, this is one of the more treatable cancers with conventional medicine. But my gut and my heart was saying she's not going to survive chemo in the winter at 510 and £110. So if we're going to go to war on cancer, we need to get some armor. So I was in total fear mode, total overwhelm as anybody with that diagnosis gets. And we had signed up for one program and we were looking at CD ROMs at the time, that's what the mode of communication was and trying to listen. And I found an MD certified nutritional specialist and a naturopath in Arizona who spent an hour on the phone with me as and then gave me one of his clients, his patients. Anyway, we went to Arizona for three months and not only did my daughter get a clean PET scan, but my autoimmune disease started to go into remission. My eyesight improved so much that I ditched the bifocals that I'd worn for a decade. I couldn't see to drive or to read. My hypertension went down, my cardiovascular disease, everything improved with really diet and lifestyle changes. And I thought, who knew, you know, we didn't learn this in nursing school, you don't learn this in medical school. And so I was sold. I immediately signed up to get certified and applied functional medicine and functional diagnostic nutrition. And then I was asked to build a, a integrated wellness program for a large oncology group in the D.C. area. And it's just kind of evolved from there. And since then so many loved ones, you know, so my daughter has a clean pet skin. I wrote a book about her process, she relapsed and then we had more treatment and now she's been deemed cancer free. But that wasn't the case for my Son in law, her husband. Almost the week after she's diagnosed as cancer free, he was diagnosed with stage four kidney cancer. So there's a, it's a kind of a long story to say there's a huge need for us all to, yeah, I want to change the trajectory that right now one out of two people are destined to get cancer if we don't change what we're doing. And that's already happened in my family, that statistic. And I don't think it has to be that way. So very passionate about helping people with prevention. And you know, a lot of my patients used to say, I want to just be like I was before I was diagnosed with cancer. And I say, no, you want to be better. You want to use this as a wake up call. And what do I need to do differently? What is my self loving, self healing, self repairing body trying to tell me that I need to change so that I don't have a terrain that is hospitable to cancer cells. What can I do about it? And, and this isn't common knowledge. It's not common knowledge in medical school or nursing school or you're not getting it from a conventional health care.
So, so what do, what do. Maybe some of your old colleagues, you know, who may still be in that system that you saw as beneficial, however not serving in the way you want to serve people. What do they say to you about the work that you do?
Well, a lot of them have gone back to school. It's been inspiring to them. In fact, I'm probably going to bring on a nurse practitioner that's as she says, I've been practicing dysfunctional medicine for 25 and as you know, and what I like to preach, it's a simple solutions. Optimal health does not have to be complicated. You know, we do have all these fancy functional medicine testing that we can get to the root cause of things, but simple dietary and lifestyle changes make massive difference in how we're going to experience our life and the quality of our life no matter what we choose. And I'm saying I'm very grateful for conventional medicine. It's not like I'm against conventional medicine when I really needed it. And I was happy for the anesthesia and I was happy for the pain medicine, but I was also able to minimize the pain medicine with lots of herbs and supplements to lower my inflammation and not be dependent on the side effects. So yeah, colleagues, you know, I think a lot of women will say, who knew? I mean I really. Unless until I experience this with my Daughter. And everybody thinks they eat well. I thought I ate well too. Everybody thinks we have a good diet. And I used to teach you nutrition when I ran the, when I was coordinator of the Addiction Recovery Service. And I knew nothing about nutrition. You know, I would read the Harvard Medical Review and I would do our conventional wisdom, but I knew nothing about what I know now to like rebuild health.
So, so what are some things, what are some things that maybe those common misconceptions that you had about nutrition many years ago that maybe some people still have today? What are some of those common misconceptions?
Well, the fat makes you fat. You know, I say fat doesn't make you fat, sugar makes you fat. That cholesterol is bad. Cholesterol is so essential that your liver creates it no matter what is your diet. And that it is that you need cholesterol for your sex and your stress hormones. And if you have no cholesterol, you're not going to have any libido, any sex drive or any really a lower ability to deal with stress, which is something we all need. It's stress resiliency. What are some others? Those are two of the biggest ones.
Okay. I think that, yeah, you know that myth around fat and you know the pendulum sometimes over swings. So I do know that we can over consume fats. Right. Especially for people who have leaky gut type issues that can create some problems or you know, we won't get into the nitty gritty details, but I think it's, it's really about the right amount of everything and for the right amount of time. I think one of the things that happens is people aren't consistent enough over a long enough period of time to see the long term benefits of, of the body and, and the cellular function and the metabolism and the sex hormones and all the things that they desire takes, takes a bit of time. But certainly you, when you incorporate diet and lifestyle, we can accelerate that journey in the right direction. So what would you say are some commonly overlooked simple to do lifestyle behaviors that people can implement?
Eat real food. I used to teach cooking classes for Living Social's demo kitchen in D.C. and I would say this and people would raise their hand and say, well what does that mean? The fact that people don't even know what real, like Michael Pollan says, just eat food. Food. That's if it's made in a plant, if it comes from a plant, eat it. If it's made in a plant, don't you know, foods that your great great grandparents would recognize as food. So we're so used to, as Mark Hyman says, the Frankenfoods on the shelf, that a lot of the standard American diet is just full of fake food.
And how about lifestyle? What lifestyle changes would you recommend or that are often overlooked by people?
Yeah, stress resiliency. How do we, we're not going to get rid of stress. Stress is good. There's used stress, there's good stress. But how do we manage that? We have to get out of the constant fight or flight. And fight or flight can happen from I'm worried about my job or my spouse or my relationship or mind to I'm eating food that is causing food sensitivities, that's causing a cortisol rush or a reaction in the body to a bunch of overgrowth of potentially pathogenic bacteria in the gut. Stress is stress. So uncovering hidden stressors from, you know, eliminating and eliminating some of the most common inflammatory foods to calm them down.
How about sleep? What do you have any tips for sleep that. This one comes up quite often for people that I train and coach.
Oh yeah. One thing I love is, which I'm not wearing right now, but I have whole bunch of them. Here are my blue blocking glasses. For those of us that are on the computer screen all the time, try and follow nature, the natural circadian rhythm. Create a ritual for yourself. You know, we were designed when the sun goes down to sleep and when the sun comes up. And it's why nurses that work the night shift all have trouble with obesity often, you know, their whole circadian rhythm is off. So simple things like having an Epsom salt bath, getting that magnesium. I always say if you have a spouse, do an Epsom salt bath and then get a massage table and do hot oil massages, you know, just any, you know, a really nice ritual with each other to settle down. Read a book, have a red light, you know, in your nightstand to mimic the sunset. After dinner, take a 15 minute walk holding hands with your spouse, watching the sunset. There are supplements that can help. There's that. But don't eat. You don't want to be digesting your food when you're trying to sleep. So eat your meal three hours before bed. The sooner you know, from 10 to 2 is when your body is doing the cleanup phase, hopefully. So if you're used to going to bed at midnight, try and push it back to 11 or 10, 11 30, 11. And you know, if we can move that time to 10 to 6 to sleep, make sure you've got adequate vitamin D. So so many so those are good.
Yeah, Lots of simple things that people can unpack there. So when someone comes to you, Lisa, how would you say they describe it as being different than some of the things they've done before.
We get to the root cause, we look at. You know, I have over 300 questions to help with a root cause assessment form. And some of it is just. That's all we need sometimes to really uncover healing opportunities, opportunities for change to help. You know, they're conventional practitioners. And, you know, I have one client who has 13 doctors and 13 different diagnoses, and none of them do what. What we do is talk about sleep, diet, minimizing toxicity in the house. The same gentleman had a really serious mold exposure. Mold is precursor to a lot of chronic diseases. So cleaning up the environment.
What are some signs of mold exposure? Because I hear, you know, I hear more and more about mold these days, and I know that it's, of course, summer in most of North America right now. So what are, what are some. What are some regions of the country or. Or the continent that seem to be more affected, if you're aware of that? And then also, what are some of the telltale signs that somebody may have mold exposure?
Well, I can tell you I live outside of Washington, D.C. and Washington, D.C. was built on a swamp. All of the old government buildings are moldy. And I didn't realize this. I didn't realize how much mold was a trigger also for chronic disease until just experiencing this in my practice. And one August, August is a big time with heavy rains here, Texas, Houston, you know, areas of the country that are really lots of rain and mold. I had three clients who were able to get off all their medications for different things, everything from anxiety to cardiovascular for cardiac health. This one gentleman, all three of them had been on vacation, had come back in August. And I'm thinking, what's. What's happening, you know, what's happening here in the water? Well, they all three had. Two had flooded basements, and one had been up to their home in Maine on an island that they had a hot water heater was totally black mold. You know, so sea, coastal towns, a lot of water, anywhere that water can sit. I think it's a major problem for lot of the country. And one of those really big hidden symptoms. And with this gentleman we had, we were working on cleaning up his gut. Another telltale sign is if we're using just like some antimicrobial herbs. You know, when you kill mold inside, mold's only defense is to multiply. So the symptoms are much worse. So, you know, one dose, a small dose, an antimicrobial herb, and he's like, flatlined. You know, this is not common. This is not. This is something. This is a red flag when. Something that should be. That the body should be able to take care of. So with mold, when they get really sick, for little mild things, it can be. It can be a symptom. And, you know, we can test for mycotoxins, which I often do when I suspect it, but the treatment then has to be kind of low and slow because. And can be very individualized. I think these are the things that are missing, you know, from coming from a conventional medicine background. We want the protocol for everything we want. Here's the diagnosis, here's the pill and the fix. And so the protocols have to be personalized, sometimes depending on the individual.
Okay, what are some other things that you find that may be overlooked? So mold is one of them. Stress nobody really talks much about. Right. We do lip service. Right. But not we. I shouldn't say we, but many people might go to the doctor and they say, oh, it's your stress. But then they just kind of shrug it off. Mold is another one. What are some other uncommon things that show up in your clients?
Heavy metals, radon. Radon exposure. Things that are invisible, that are not even aware of. There's so many toxins. You know, the off gassing from new furniture and new cars. You know, some of us to genetically have a little. Need a little extra support to detoxify. You know, we live in a toxic environment. In fact, when I got my own testing done with my daughter, I was off the charts for lead and mercury. Off the charts. And I had an office in New York City prior to that that I would eat sushi for, you know, traveling to New York all the time. I'd have sushi for, like, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Tuna. Tuna every day. I'd had my amalgams unsafely removed, and I think a combination of that. And then when you get older, going through menopause, the estrogen drops in your. The lead that you're exposed to can suddenly leach out too. So. So heavy metals is a. Is a common. And all. The glyphosate. In fact, I have been eating organic now for over a decade, and I just had my glyphosate checked, and I was three times the upper reference range. I mean, if I have a high glyphosate, everybody. So does everybody else. I don't even test for it anymore. It's Just like, okay, what can we do to help you, your body rid itself of these toxins?
Yeah, I think that's a big one too. And it can affect different people in different ways. So some people are better at clearing out these toxins genetically, as you mentioned, than others. So even though you might test a family and they, even though they eat the same food, they may have varying levels of persistent glyphosate in their, in their urine, I guess, is where you're collecting it. So. Yeah. Kind of fascinating, right, to. Do you live near a golf course or anything like that? If you think it's something like that?
Yes. And I have a lot of golfers as clients, so I, you know, I have them take collagen and glycine powder. Let's just have glycine powder and a tea before bedtime to help detoxify from that. Yeah.
Okay. So that could, that, that could potentially explain it. Right, so it may not be dietary sources, it could be environmental sources that are contributing to it.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. You know, and you know, when I walk my dogs, you can smell the pesticides that neighbors are spraying on their lawns. You know, I try and go to the forest or the woods because, you know, I don't want my dogs. You know, our animals are now getting the same diseases that we're getting that we didn't have decades ago. And, and you know, I, one thing is being as old as I am and having a 40 plus year history is, you know, we had a handful of autoimmune diseases in 1979. Now we have well over 100 and growing. So what's changed? Our genetics have not changed, but our diet and our lifestyle and the toxins, amount of toxins. Water. You know, I really always, I have relationships with air and water that I like to share with people to help them clean up their simple things. You know, we tell everybody to drink half your body weight in ounces of water. Right. To help with detoxification. But that water better be free.
Yeah. Do you recommend like filtered water, reverse osmosis, distilled? What's your recommendation there?
Yeah. So there's pros and cons to all of them. I have Everybody go to EWG.org tap water and put in your zip code and it will tell you what's in it. And remember that movie Erin Brockovich?
Yep.
Hexavalent chromium. It's in a lot of our public water, drinking water still. And I live in a very nice area outside of D.C. and I was shocked at the Levels in our tap water. So tap water? No, no tap water. And your filter in your refrigerator is no good either. So you really want to see what's in it and then what needs to be filtered out. I like, and I like to two options. I like reverse osmosis because it filters out the most things, and then I. You can add minerals to it. And, and that's actually what I choose to do. Or like. I, I. For years, I got Mountain Valley spring water in the big glass containers because it is mineral rich and it seems to be from kind of the deepest areas in the Ozarks in the, in the US I don't like bottled water and plastics. You know, the plastics, especially sitting in the car. I do give my clients glass or stainless steel water bottles, you know, as a reminder to drink water and to find a way to have really clean, purified water.
All right, So I know I'm on the right track because we use RO and we remineralize it. However, lately I've been hearing a lot of buzz about distilled water. And I know there is, like, this could be a debate where we can go back and forth for days on what's the best water, but definitely tap water is out. Bottled water is because of the plastics and the leaching chemicals into the water. That's a big no. And so I think if we're giving a recommendation, RO with remineralization or distilled water. And distilled water is just plain water, so that might probably need to be remineralized as well, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
Awesome. So you've given us a lot to think about, lots of nuggets, and I love how passionate you are about what you do. Before you wrap up, what I'd love to know is what's a piece of business advice or practice advice that you wish you had received five years ago?
Well, I think one of the best advice that I actually got from you as I was, you know, always worried about, as you're an entrepreneur in a business, growing the business, how you grow the business, is that there's no lack of need for what we have. So to just decide, who do you want to serve, how do you want to serve them, and how to create your business so that your business is around your life or reflective around your life instead of your life around the business. You know, I was always in a pretty competitive role in business, and, and often we feel like stress is a badge of honor, that the busier we are, the more stressed we are, the better. And this is a Cultural. This is a really big cultural myth that. No. And you also said being busy and having a waiting list is just a sign of inefficiency, of just being inefficient. It's not a badge of honor. And, and a stressed out health coach, it's really not any good anyone nor stressed out doctor. You know, if your doctor doesn't look like the healthiest guy in the room, you might want to think about getting another doctor, in my opinion.
Or at least isn't trying. Right. Because we're all, as you would say yourself too. We're all works in progress.
Oh yeah.
And you know, it's really, it's more about what we do than what we know. Because knowing and not doing is actually worse than not knowing at all. Because when you don't know, you can't do anything about it. But when you know, when you don't do something about it, that's a whole different story. So, yeah, if your doctor, practitioner, your coach doesn't embody what they're trying to offer to you, then it's a tough sell. And you know, when you told me you were 60, I almost fell off my chair. I'm like, wow. Like that in and of itself is. You're a walking billboard of what you do. So congratulations on, you know, all the insights that you received from this recent injury. Congratulations on the growth that I know is taking place in your bones and in your wrist, but also in your personal life and your business. And I'm super thrilled to see what this, literally what this breakthrough helps you break through over the next few weeks. Do you have any, any aspirations or plans or any ideas that have, have boiled to the surface with the, with this recent time to reflect that you've had?
Yeah, thank you for asking. Again, you know, when you're so busy with a private practice in working in the business, it's hard to work on the business and it's been hard for me to even implement some of your suggestions and advice. And I have my living younger longer metabolic reset program. I have not taking the time to put it out there and to invite people to join and, and people are always asking me, what's my secret? Because I am feeling and looking better today than I was 20 years ago and it is totally what we teach. Why and, and if I can do this, so can anybody else. So, so I am, you know, I had been dragging my feet about doing social media and in fact I put some really scary looking videos of me with my cast on social media. Not sure why I chose that time to start it. But I'm going to be really seeing if I can help more people in a group setting rather than the and I think that's a win win because one thing we have learned from the last couple of years is the importance of community and podcasts like this, that we're not alone, that we all struggle with the same issues and the importance of community and healing. So I really want to create more of more groups, more of a community to help one another. That I used to run a lot of groups and they were so, so powerful. They're so powerful. So I'm really looking forward to moving more of my one on ones into group.
Amazing. Well, this is the time to do it right and it's great that you're overcoming the adversity in such a positive light. Lisa, where can people get a hold of you? Where can they learn more about the work that you're doing?
So my website is Carpe Diem, which means sees the day in Latin. C A R P as in Paul E St Edward D as in dog I E M Wellness Carpe Diem wellness.org O R G awesome.
We'll put that in the show notes. And once again, thank you for joining me today and so grateful for this opportunity to connect with you and lean into your message a little bit more. And here's to your continued growth and success.
Thank you so much. It's been such an honor.
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