129 Breaking The Chronic Nightmare of Lyme Disease with Author Brad Montague, PSc.D

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to another episode of Lyme Voice. With me today is Brad Montaña. Dr. Brad, thank you so much for being here with us.

Well, thanks for the invite. I appreciate it.

So Brad is the author of Breaking the Chronic Nightmare of Lyme Disease Without Crashing, Herxing, or Feeling Worse. And Dr. Brad has been studying and applying functional medicine for over 30 years. He is a researcher and a pioneer in developing breakthrough approaches to resolve chronic health Dr. Brad specializes in resolving chronic Lyme disease, Candida, and leaky gut by being methodically thorough and addressing the entire body at the same time. His approach is to nurture the weakened organ systems back to health and assist the body to then clear itself of the factors that cause illness. Food intolerance discovery and lifestyle changes are paramount to Dr. Brad's approach in helping people resolve these chronic problems. So thank you for sharing your time with us today. I wanted to start by saying that when I finished your book, I literally sat back and thought, man, I wish that I had read this book at the beginning of my journey.

Yeah, I tried to write it with that intent. There— when you look at the forums, most people that have had Lyme for a long time believe they know more than their doctors do. And a lot of times that probably is true. This was written in a cause and effect way so that people can— almost all the, the books I've looked at, all the literature, all the research, it compartmentalizes everything and acts as if everything's isolated and a totally different thing. Everything's connected. It's— and this book was written so people could understand how it's connected And understanding that, it makes the approach a lot more realistic and logical.

Yeah, it does. That's a good way of putting it. I wouldn't have said it's a cause and effect, but that absolutely clarifies what's going on as far as how either a bacteria or a viral infection starts attacking and diminishing your normal functions.

Well, in, in reality, in working with people There's— it's more like what came first, the chicken or the egg. And when you really look at the reality of health, healthy bodies don't get sick. Yeah, there's something that make them weak in the first place to make them vulnerable, and that usually has more to bear on whether people are going to heal. If their caregiver can find that out, really dig through the case and figure that out, that oftentimes has more importance, more bearing than actually finding bugs.

I believe you. When I got my diagnosis officially back in 2013, I had already been in excruciating pain for 7 years, in bed for 2, and was nowhere at the point of being able to read. And I was actually already at a treatment center out in Arizona getting treated for what label we had, which was chronic fatigue syndrome, when I got my first positive test. And my dad was there taking care of me at the time. I lived there for over months, and he started ordering books off of Amazon about Lyme disease. And this— I think your book really taps into— and he was, for those weeks, he's skimming through the books, and a lot of them are in-depth and talking about what you address, the conspiracy theory, where it comes from, how it impacts. Just, it was this whole new world for us and trying to wrap our brains around what was going on and why, even with a diagnosis, it was so hard to find treatment and why it wasn't covered and all that stuff. And I think your book 'cause it's just a great synopsis. Obviously, if you're working with a patient, you go into details, but I think your book is a great synopsis for helping people who are starting out trying to figure out what's going on, but then also for people who are where so many people end up, they could be years into treatment and still struggling with just some basics.

Right, and what you had just explained, that's a pretty common scenario with people. The diagnostic issue, and in reality, doing a webinar, Tonight, another one in about a week, where I called diagnosis a double-edged sword. The book really goes through to explain clearly why there's such a problem with that, and people aren't aware of how inaccurate the testing is in reality. One of the best researchers in the whole field is Tom Greer. He's up in Duluth area. I had talked to him at one time about some of the diagnostic issues. Firstly, all the tests come off the burgdorferi strain of Borrelia, which is called B31. They never have tested to see whether that strain is actually in somebody. Uh, that strain was isolated off of a tick, not out of a person. They reduced it down so they figured they had one bacteria, then they multiplied that in this huge pool, and that's what's used for all the testing. If we look at the allergy societies on the types of testing, allergy societies reject totally because of inaccuracy, the kind of testing that is done to try and diagnose Lyme disease. They use ELISA tests with IgE or IgG and IgM immunoglobulins. IgG only means you got exposed to something. It doesn't mean you have a problem with it. You're only exposed to it. IgM is the biggest and the first responder, but it doesn't mean you have anything going on. Tom Greer talks about a split test where they took 516 blood samples from people, 3 samples from every single person, labeled them very carefully, and sent those blood samples off to the best Lyme labs in the world. Sometimes one lab would get 3 samples, sometimes 3 different labs would get one different sample apiece. They got all the results back, sat down with their research table, looked at all the studies. No 2 results in that whole study were the same. Wow.

Yeah, I read that because you talk about that in your book.

Uh, Navina Zubicek, I think that's how you say her name, the Harvard Lyme liaison. Time Verbo talked about 70% of the Western blot tests basically give inaccurate results, and, and 70% of the kids that have problems wouldn't get any, any kind of treatment whatsoever. But when you look at it, Igenex, they used to publish what the accuracy of their tests were. Is 0 to 20%, and that's for all Lyme and all the co-infections. The co-infections, that's the first 1 to 2 weeks of infection. People don't know they have a problem then. By the time they get into a lab, there's no possible way where there's any validity at all. The Western blot has a maximum accuracy date range of 6 to 8 weeks, and after that, there's no validity to the test. Well, you talk about somebody like yourself, you're 2 years down the road. There's no validity in any of the tests. None. And they're trying to base all their treatment off of things that have no statistical validity whatsoever. It's no wonder why everybody's having all the problems. We use a whole different form of testing that goes around all of that. Explain the 3 different kinds of testing in the book. We have lab testing, which has, for Lyme disease and the co-infection, 0 to 20% accuracy. And if you're After the 2 to 8 weeks, then it's closer to zero. Electrical diagnosis, it's more accurate, but it can't tell you extent or what the cause is. And there's another kind of testing that the, uh, even PubMed has, has double-blind studies on them. The muscle testing accuracy is 95 to 97% accurate, which is a huge thing. And we, uh, before the Lord was moving us to a different part of the country, people kept asking us to figure out way to, to be able to work with this with people at a distance. And I was pretty reluctant to do it. And finally we, um, finally said, oh, okay, I'll test this out. I'm not just going to do it, test it out. So we started testing people through quantum physics. We'd hook them up electronically through some means, typically a phone, and put that to a surrogate and test them. And essentially muscle testing works by electromagnetic frequencies. So those frequencies are good, the muscles are strong. If those frequencies are poor, the muscles get weak. With that, you can test test a reflex point, test every organ. And the way we're made embryologically, organs and muscles, they all pull a nerve supply off developing spinal cord as it develops. People have studied that and mapped that out, tested it. There's always one muscle that correlates to every single organ, so you can cross-confirm testing with that. And because everything's made up of atoms— I mean, what we're told about chemistry is in school is just not true. It's really not true. They're little electromagnetic generators. Is what atoms are and molecules and all that. And every single substance has its own frequency. Well, you put that— a substance that's not shielded close to somebody, if it's good for them, it makes them strong. If it's bad for them, makes them get— we got test files of all kinds of infections, co-infections, and things like that. And the accuracy that you can find— so you can find in this kind of testing where infections are. You can tell if it's in the right brain, in the temple, in the left shoulder, in the right knee, one of the hips. You can find it anywhere. We had one couple come in years ago. The guy had been in wheelchair for like 30 years, really kind of a sad case, a bunch of stuff. I'm doing evaluation, and we don't find Bartonella that often, but I'm looking at him and I go, I'm finding Bartonella with you, but this is really odd. I only find it in your left anterior thigh. And the guy looked at— him and his wife looked at each other, jaws just kind of dropped. They looked at each other and they just kind of lost their ability Breathe for a moment. They blinked, they looked back at me, and they said, that's where it all started 30 years ago.

Oh my gosh.

That's the accuracy that we find stuff with.

Okay, let's go backwards a little bit. We dove right in. Muscle testing in and of itself is an entire segment that some people are unfamiliar with.

Exactly. And the reality with muscle testing, the science is there. They've used machines to, to measure the electrical currents with really, really accurate measurements. There's a real big difference between something that's weak, something that's tired, something that's strong as far as electrical currents. The real issue is the integrity of the person that's doing it, and that is the biggest problem. When we were doing our split testing for stuff, you know, I started doing things on the phone. In the end of our testing, we were testing people blindly somewhere else on a phone, didn't know who they were or what they had. We went through whole evaluations on the phone, then we brought them in the office and did the whole thing in person. And I was really humbled by our results. They were 100% the same.

Wow. Which is fascinating. You reminded me, I still want to go backwards with you a couple minutes to have you give a little bit of your own story and why you wrote this book and your experience with Lyme personally, but Like I said, muscle testing is a whole thing. You said something that I've forgotten about, but I was doing— I know people who think muscle testing is quackery. I know people who would never rely on it. I know people who swear that it has saved their life. And that's what your book is talking about. When you can identify the original problem, or maybe not the original problem because it's not even the chicken or the egg, but figure out where it's coming from and then deal with that based on how the body is responding energetically. Then you make headway. But it's interesting because I was doing— and I don't remember the specifics and who the practitioner was at this point because it's been so many experiences— but he knew through muscle testing, he said, man, I'm seeing this huge, this huge infection in your upper left thigh. And this was 20-something years after my original infection. On my upper left thigh was my bullseye rash when I was 18 years old. And it sent a chill up my spine. Yeah, because I was like, oh my gosh.

Yeah, it's one of the first times I saw that done publicly. The guy was using it as a lie detector test. And for people who have children or relate to different people where they think some— somebody's not being true, if they're not being true, if they're not a pathological liar, it inhibits their muscles and they get weak. And if you know how to use it, you can tell somebody's lying.

Oh, interesting, huh? I believe that. Let's go back. Give me in a short few minutes your personal experience with Lyme and how that steered you towards your profession.

When I was a young kid, we went on vacation up in the mountains, and when I came back, I felt like I had the flu 24/7, 365 days a year. I had vertigo and had a hard time functioning. It was a rare day when I felt somewhat normal. And that, that's when I started learning how to cook. I started cooking when I was probably close to 5, and been a— most people figure I'm a gourmet cook. I've had people trying to have me open up a restaurant since I was a young kid. So, so anyway, things started like that. They kind of resolved later in life. I don't know how many times I've been bit by a tick. I— where I used to live, the ticks were so bad, they'd get in your house, they'd crawl in your bed and crawl on you in the middle of the night and wake you up. They were that bad. Two times I woke up with excruciating pain in my left armpit. Get up, go in the bathroom, flip the light on, there's a deer tick embedded in there. And most people don't know this, but if you take a pair of tweezers and take an old baggie's Twist-O-Seal, wrap around the waist of the tweezers, you can make that as kind of a pliers. You slip that over a tick really close to the head, unscrew them counterclockwise, they come right out. One of the biggest issues of infecting people is people squeeze the tick and implode the inside of the tick inside of them. So if you unscrew them, you just bypass that whole thing. So anyway, pulled those things out, and years later I started getting these just crazy high fevers out of, out of nowhere. I was 104, 104.5, and spiking up from there. Even a child, that's not good. An adult, that can be lethal. Couldn't get it to break down. I got threatened to go visit a medical doctor. I hadn't seen a medical doctor in 30 years. Went in there and he told me to take ibuprofen, which I even had aspirin and over 30 years. Just didn't have it. First one I took gave me hallucinations. I said, well, I'm not going to do this again. That just— I'm just not going to do that. I studied the, the whole aspects of Lyme disease at least 3 times, and the, the information out there is terrible. It's just terrible. Part of the reason why I write that in the book— most of the frustration people have, don't realize how ineffective care is. Out there, 25%. Most doctors figure they can help 25% of the people. That doesn't mean resolve things. That's 25% of people they can slow things down, stop it, or reverse it. So that's the— all that is 25%. The other 75%, they can't help them at all. And it doesn't matter what profession, they're all the same. When you look at the literature that everybody's looking at, 40% of the articles in the best peer-reviewed journals in the world are falsified information. It's suspected 70% of that in the US is falsified information. The studies that have evaluated that, 75% is overt fraud. So people's frustration of knowing that, that's what all the clinicians are basing all their care on is fraud, fictitious information. It's just fraud. And it's not their fault. They're trying to— they're doing the best they can. And the other problem is no schooling teaches chronic illness. They all teach acute illness based off of Louis Pasteur's research. And, and Louis Pasteur at the end of his life said the microbe is nothing, the soil is everything, realizing it's the constitution of the body that determines whether you're going to get sick, not the microbe. And every healthcare professional out there has the same study. No one gets into the depth of what chronic illness is. You've got to go outside of the camp to figure out what that is, and none How many people do that?

Okay, that leads, that leads me to two quotes in your book, and I want to address both of them with you because I think they're really powerful. And you alluded to this about the constitution. It's not based on the infection, it's based on the constitution of your body. You said, I've never seen a case where Lyme is the only problem. In many cases, Lyme may be the only minor issue in their failing health. There are cases where the co-infection reactions are worse, the response to the Lyme infections. In all cases, there is some underlying weakness that makes one too weak to fight off the Lyme infection in the first place?

I'm going to do a webinar later tonight on one of the biggest issues with that. If we look at the biggest predisposition to get Lyme disease and the biggest complication is Candida. I don't believe I've ever seen one case of Lyme in many, many, many years of dealing with it and hundreds and hundreds of cases. I don't think I've seen one person didn't have major problems with Candida. If they've gone through the typical route with antibiotics, they absolutely have it. And the thing with Candida— this isn't very commonly known— Candida comes in 4 forms. Yeast is not too hard to deal with, but yeast morphs into fungus. Well, the little cottony stuff that comes off of it, that's mycelia. That's made up of chitin, is impervious to your immune system. The immune system can't touch it. That's what all the feeding tubules are made out of, all the mycelia out of the fungus. Once those mycelia penetrate into the gut wall or reproductive wall or wherever they go, then it becomes a parasite. When that gets systemic, you got systemic fungal infections, and mold is just another form of it. So you look at the forums with all these people with Candida problems, mold problems, and all— it's all the same thing. But almost nobody has a good way to deal with the fungal, fungal parasite, and mold side. If you go the pharmaceutical route, fungals strong they knock out the liver, and you're already too toxic to be able to deal with toxins anyway. And the liver is only a third of the issue of detox. The gut wall detoxes, the gut flora detoxes, there's phase 1, phase 2 in the liver. All 3 of them work together, and it's the flora that actually determines whether you're going to excrete toxins or recycle them. So it's really, really huge. But Candida is probably the biggest predisposition because it's what beats the immune system up. Stress would be number 2.

Interesting. Okay, you say Lyme disease rises as a fierce tormentor of the soul. It robs of vitality, making the simplest of chores too difficult to do. Joy is robbed of any comfort or pleasure by pain and dysfunction. No one understands, and all of this makes our self-worth seem like water circling down the drain. This was my favorite part. You said the symptoms of Lyme tend to groom the soul to believe that it must accept this tormentor, that somehow how we deserve this.

Yeah, if you've ever been around abuse, we ever spent any time around a narcissist, the biggest issue is grooming. So people think they deserve what they deserve. I used to wonder why women are quiet when somebody in the house is abusing their children and different things. People get groomed to stuff, and we can't be judgmental with that, but When, when you have something like Lyme disease, there's not an open wound that people can look at and go, oh, I can see why you feel the way you feel. Medicine doesn't understand it. The bulk of healthcare industry doesn't understand it. You can't find literature that's really going to explain it, which is why this book has 4 chapters on physiology, which is how the body works, so people can understand what's going on. And you go, okay, this is why. We did a survey with Lyme groups. What was missing? What did people really want to see addressed? And the universal response was no one is dealing with hormonal dysfunction, sexual dysfunction. So there's a chapter on that in here that comes from a really different way. I was doing a talk one time on Lyme disease and somebody asked a question. I said, well, that's typically a subject I address when, when we talk about biblical sexuality. And people go, what? You do what? I said, well, that's a talk that I typically do on biblical sexuality. The room was full of probably average age retired people in their 70s and 80s there. It's really funny. Somebody asked a question, okay, I'll open the subject a little bit up. Everybody got quiet, scooted forward in their chairs, couples reached over, held each other's hand, got really, really quiet. You could have heard a pin drop in the room. And everybody just knows this can be a really rich talk. It needs to be. That is something that's totally topped both in men and women. The issue of intimacy is such a critical issue. You look at it from young kids and this thing of just wonder about what the opposite sex is. Some of the biggest pools of STDs been going on for well over a decade is in nursing homes. The, and the point is it never ends.

Your sexuality and your journey through that never ends. It keeps going even in the retirement home.

Right.

Yeah.

And it's completely ignored. Women more so. I put this in the book. I was at a conference once and somebody referred to some website where, for a marketing thing, and I pulled it up not knowing what I was going to. It's a website on, um, it was a plastic surgeon and he did the typical facelifts and changes and all that. And those are kind of crazy if you know what they do. But down in the bottom of this page, he's talking about labial lifts. What in the world is this? And I had to step back and really scratch my head for several days, and the Lord finally kind of showed me what was going on with that. I go, oh man, no one's paid attention to this at all. This is the whole reason why women perimenopausal, postmenopausal lose their ability to have orgasms and the pleasures is because their erectile tissues don't function. When a man has ED, it's obvious. When a woman has it, it, it's ignored because she can still engage. But she's— we both have the same erectile cruxes. We're built the same, all our parts are the same, they're just in different places. And when you start to have chronic inflammation, what really makes the erectile tissues work is nitric oxide. We make two kinds. There's inflammatory nitric oxide and endothelial nitric oxide. Endothelial is made in the lining of the blood vessels. Inflammatory eats that So whenever you have any kind of inflammation, it destroys the nitric oxide, which controls your blood vessel tone and controls all your erectile tissues. Well, a woman can't do that. There's a crux on both sides. That's what opens up her reproductive tract for intimate expression and things like that. That no longer happens. Her clitoris doesn't erect for engagement in that, and no one's addressing any of that stuff.

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Well, I liked— I mean, I was surprised. I didn't expect you to tackle the sexual intimacy side of things when I picked up the book, but you spent a significant amount of time talking about it. And what I appreciated about it was, one, you're right, it's not being talked about a lot. It's related to hormones, which you can fix if you're dealing, dealing with your whole body holistically. And you're making changes. But what you said earlier is so true. You use the word groomed in response to one, we're being groomed by the medical community to not know what our bodies normally do. We're being told when you go into the doctor's office for years and years with chronic illness stuff, they're looking at, oh, okay, you might have something wrong with your liver and you might have something wrong with your bones or whatever it is. And you're being sent to all these specialists, none of whom are looking at you as a person. Like, you have to step outside Western medicine to start seeing practitioners who are looking at you as a whole person and then also know what to do with that, right? And I really liked how you talked about even muscle tone. Like, if this is going on in your body, it's because your liver is doing this. And if you're losing muscle mass in this form, it's because of these other things. Like, those are powerful statements that I would say most people don't understand then you also then have to take on the personal responsibility of living, changing your lifestyle to correct those things. We're being groomed to not be proactive in our own health.

Well, to be fair with— to the medical doctors, they're groomed because their schooling is subsidized by Big Pharma, and also they're censored by the CDC. I got exposed to medical doctors first time the Lord let me get out of the country, went into Eastern Europe and Russia, so the Berlin Wall came down, interacted with some doctors in Russia out there. They get paid less than the janitors do. And there's some people that really care, but they're stuck in the system.

Yeah, I agree.

And they're doing the best they can with the knowledge they have. No schooling teaches how to deal with chronic illness. And so the only people that are going to be able to understand that is people who've gone outside of the normal realms to be able to study that. This book could be used as a textbook as far as that goes, to, to really bring a lot of people up to speed. But you brought something up about hormones. Hormones, they're always secondary, they're never primary.

Oh, interesting.

They're, they're always reacting to something else, and usually that's toxicity. Which, you look at the HPA axis, there's a lot of buzz about the HPA axis. The hypothalamus, it reads hormones, gases, minerals, body signals, and it sends those out to different places. With hormones, it sends signals to the pituitary. Pituitary sends signals, the hormonal glands. Commonly what disrupts all that is toxicity, and the most sensitive organ to toxicity is first the thyroid. Thyroid's all your energy, it's half a woman's cycle. Second is the adrenal. All of the precursors to all sexual hormones, men and women, are made in the adrenal. If the body's chronically stressed out, all those precursors get shunned over to make cortisol, anti-inflammatory hormones. So there's nothing to make sexual hormones There's nothing to feed the sexual glands, and we start to get the sexual atrophy along with that. Women's breasts, they no longer as full. Their labia no longer as full, which is what I saw in this guy, this plastic surgeon's thing. It's like, oh man, nobody's paying attention to this. And if it happens to man, it's fairly obvious. Men that are taking steroids, their testicles can get as small as a pea. Most people don't know that. You know, they look pretty buff and bulked out, and they might be fairly athletic, but their genitals are shrinking down to smaller than a child. It's crazy. And with chronic stress, we make our own cortisol, which does the same thing.

Yeah, your book is a— I mean, it's a wealth of information. It absolutely is. And I want to keep going back to, you know, so many facts and just powerful anecdotes and basic concepts that I feel like aren't fully getting addressed in a lot of arenas. And so I— yeah, Highly recommend it. I'm an avid reader. I've read most of the books out on Lyme disease, and I think this one's really powerful. I want to go back to something you said in the book because— well, let me read it and then tell you my thoughts on it, and then I want to hear your thoughts. It's chapter 1. I highlighted most of chapter 1, and you were talking about being the symptoms of Lyme basically convincing you that you deserve this or that there's nothing you can do about it, or this is just the way life is. Is, right? Okay. And a lot of people who are suffering with chronic illnesses are doing their due diligence. They're going to their practitioners, they're getting their blood drawn, and they're not getting answers. They're just being handed prescriptions. So that's the segue into what you said here. We do not deserve this. Somehow, some way, we have to believe that we don't deserve this. It's not some sort of judgment of some unbeknownst evil that we have done. There is no secret hidden closet that houses all of the things that you don't know that you have done that gives license to destroy your life with this nightmare. It is true that something has set the stage to allow people to contract this dreaded nightmare, but that something is not unknown or hidden sins. Something made us weak and vulnerable enough to not be able to fight off catching this hideous illness. That something has to do with your physiology, which means normal functions of the body, or how your body works inside. Until we know how all of this plays out inside of us, we will probably be vulnerable to somebody else's new idea that probably has nothing to do with us in particular. Here's what I wanted to say about this. Seriously powerful. The fact that you had to tell people that they haven't sinned or done something to deserve this, the fact that that needed to be said is crazy.

From my own background, it's not crazy.

I know, because I have the same background. I had to fight through this. I had to fight through this for years because I was being told by different people in my community that God was teaching me something.

Yeah, that's just such a lie.

It's such a lie. I'm so glad you wrote it because at this point in my journey, years and years down the road, I'm like, the fact that you had to write that is crazy. And yet I know it's so true, and it is For a majority of people, they were either groomed to believe something or are being told that this is something that they brought on to themselves.

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And from my own background, Lord's had me all over the world doing ministry. I've seen things that are unbelievable. I've watched 3 people flatline their monitors in hospitals, walk out. The things that he's allowed me to be a part of are just really huge. And from that aspect, you have to deal with people The Lord used to have me run ministry schools, and we did a lot with getting people set free from their past and things like that. To get somebody to be able to open up, you have to build trust, and you can't build trust if you can't see and you can't be empathetic. You have to be empathetic, you have to be able to see, and you can't be judgmental. Those are absolute total prerequisites. And to be able to see, you have to be able to see in a whole different dimension, really to see from his perspective and things. When we look at the most common thing that goes on with people with chronic illness, when the medical doctors no longer— they can't see a benefit of their care, their egotistical reflexes in self-preservation go, oh, it must be a psychological issue, and they send you to the shrink.

Yeah, that personally happened to me multiple times over multiple years. And I have— hear from listeners and coaching clients all the time who go through that exact same process, right?

The book ends with the story of one of our saddest clients. She, she was about 17 when she came in. She, um, she quit cycling for at least a year before she came in. She's terrified of being measured at all. And the reason why is every time the medical doctors measured her, they could—

you mean measured just in the sense of height, weight, all that stuff that they normally do?

Any measurements, any measurements. Anytime they did, their reflexes accused the parents who were strong believers homeschooling this girl who was born with Lyme disease, and they couldn't figure it out till she was many years later. They threatened over and over to call social services, have her yanked out of her home and be put in foster care. Which is a nightmare. That's a living hell in and of itself. So it forced her to do things that made her really sick, made her bloat up, made her do all kinds of crazy things that were extremely unhealthy. She finally took like 3 months to build enough trust to let me measure some things. She didn't want to know what they were, but it was eye-opening to see what we saw. Her body fat levels were, were as low as a bodybuilder, male bodybuilder, at competition. They're just way too low for a female, and she was an adolescent. She's— this year she's celebrating her 7th year of being free from Lyme, which, in addressing what you just said with people being groomed with things, we have well over a 90% resolution of of people with the worst nightmares out there get healthy again. Over 90%. And the qualification is they follow instruction. We deal with lifestyle. It's not easy. There's no walk in the park and there's no magic bullets with this. It's a lot of hard work. I— we were at an ongoing interaction with 250, 300 natural docs for some ongoing education. They did a Facebook and they, they had ongoing conversation about Lyme disease for many months. My wife kept trying to get me to join in, and I just go, oh no, no, forget it, I don't want to. Finally, like 6 months down the road, I said, okay, okay, I'm gonna— I'll do something. So I put something in their dialogue, and they're talking about things that are stupid. I mean, just stupid. So I put something in dialogue, I go, here's some published articles on what we do, you know. So they're not published, I'm just talking about anything. This is what we do with things, is a big part of what we do. This is our success rate. So I'm not talking like any Joe out there. I've not heard of anybody until a recent search with anywhere close to the resolution we have. Just biggest names out there, they're not close. They're not. And I said, there are tools you can give people, there's philosophies you can give people, and you can train people how to do this. Is anybody interested? Out of those 250, 300 docs, not one person raised their hand. All anybody wanted was what's the protocol. The protocol is you— it takes so much work on a doctor's side to figure this story out of what's going on in a person. Nobody wants to spend the time.

Oh, you can't. I mean, one of my very first appointments out at Invita with people who knew what they were doing for the first time— this was my first experience with a doctor who understood what I was saying after so many years. And we had a 3.5-hour consultation and we were scratching the surface. And he wasn't the only practitioner I saw that, saw that week. There was a series of them. And here I had been going into appointment after appointment for 15 minutes with my list of 10 or 15 questions and just realizing, oh man, even if they had known what to do, which they didn't, even if they had solutions, even if they had had a diagnosis, I was never going to get anywhere in a 30, 15-minute to 30-minute consultation with them. And I tried to tell that to coaching clients, I'm like, oh my gosh, you're banking the next number of years on your life and you're seeing an infectious disease doctor for 15 minutes here and there? Like, it's not going to work.

This is the reality of medical diagnostics. It's a conference many years ago. Guy was one of the heads of a department in a major hospital doing research. The average insurance has just destroyed healthcare, and it really limits a doctor what they can do. And I don't remember what the average time somebody saw a doctor doctor for at that time is somewhere between 6 and 15 minutes, no more than that. And what he said was, when a doctor comes into a room, he grabs a chart, he starts looking through the chart. Within 15, 30 seconds, he's got an idea of what's going on. He's got a diagnosis within the next 15 seconds and a treatment protocol of what he's going to do in the next several seconds, in less than a minute. And all the rest of the time they spend with somebody is fluff. Wow, that's sobering, but that's the reality. And no matter where we go, people don't have the background, they don't have the tools to be able to spend the time to sit down with somebody and unwind this. There's a fair amount that you got to do in dialogue. We do that in a consultation. We, we go through that part in a consultation, do that evaluation commonly is 2 hours, and I'm working the whole time, right? Right.

Yeah, very different way to practice medicine, and it's exhausting.

I believe it is, because we were made in, in 3 different parts. All those have to be addressed. When you look at biblical record, man was fashioned out of clay. Lord leans over, breathes his spirit into the clay, and the soul's born there. And people realize the souls are the expression of who we are. The physical body is what people are commonly working with, but the other 2 aspects have to be dealt with too. They're part of the complex. You can't deal with part of a person and make them whole.

So you're saying you have to deal with mind, body, and spirit? Is that your three?

Or, um, those are the three aspects you have to deal with. But the three biggest barriers is, first is belief system. Harvard, I think, put a symposium on, as far as beliefs go, 3,000 articles they presented in their symposium on the effectiveness of the biblical concept. Book of Hebrews, they were unable to enter because of unbelief. Belief. If people believe something that's not going to work, they're going to commit to it, that they might get some transient effect for it. But if they don't believe it, it's not going to be empowered to do anything. So a lot has to be done there. Lifestyle is number 2. Like, something in the lifestyle made somebody too weak to be able to fight it off in the first place. That has to be found out and that has to be changed. And then the approach, it has to be radically different. We can't do this segmented, isolated approach. You talked earlier about specialist, specialist. When healthcare went from the generalist to the specialist, it fell off the cliff and it's never recovered. The GP has always been the best doc. The research proves it out. Everybody who's old enough to have a GP knows that was the case. They understood things. Now they don't.

There's so many things I want to address that you are bringing up. It's just fascinating. One of the things I want to go back to, muscle testing, real quick. And you didn't talk about this in the book, but something you you said in there. I mean, you talked about muscle testing, but, and then you just went back over it. If beliefs are the biggest huge factor, and I know they are, I tell people, I do coaching calls for people who are considering going out to Invita, which is where I went, and they saved and restored my life. And it's expensive. It's like all protocols, it's consuming. But I tell people, you know, and people want this reassurance of, well, I'll spend the money or I'll go do it if it's going work. And I start right there and I say, don't— you have to believe it's going to work. Just start to believe it's going to work, which is really hard if you've been through a lot of protocols, a lot of doctors, that whole medical PTSD is setting in. I get it. But don't waste your time and effort going to see a practitioner and implementing month and protocols that go on for months and years and then simultaneously telling yourself it's not going to work. And here's the other thing I see. If you have a spouse or a parent who is telling you it's not gonna work, I think 80% of those people quit during treatment, whether they wanna be there or not.

Support group's huge. Talk about a couple of different things. One is protocols. Every profession uses protocols. Protocols is a guess thrown at a guess, hoping it will stick. It doesn't work. Work, and we just got to get over it. Anybody that's going through a diagnostic sequence, they're going to be thrown somebody's protocol, which is a guess at a guess, and it's not effective. Some of the only thing that's effective is to really dig in and figure out what's going on. And as far as belief goes, our best patients are 4-year-olds. Can't convince a 4-year-old. We've had— we had one 4-year-old come in He didn't have a hair on his body. Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis had him on chemotherapy drugs, killed every hair-growing cell in his body. Did an evaluation. Dad really didn't want to follow through with anything, and, you know, they're going to go home and talk about what they're going to do. They got home, dad tried to give his 4-year-old son medicine that night, and he goes, no, dad. Dad, I'm not taking that anymore. The doctor you took me to today, he showed me that doesn't work. I didn't tell him, I showed him. What he did today proved to me that he's the only one can make me well. What we do, if we do it in person, is so compelling to show people what all their weaknesses are and how the body corrects itself. By the time we're done, every weakness is strong. Before we send anybody away with what we're going to do, we guess at anything. We test everything we do on somebody to figure out that's exactly what it is. And you can't convince a 4-year-old that. You can show them. It's that compelling. Wow.

Okay, again, I want to go back to something in regards to muscle testing, because you get into the specifics of if this is unfolding, this is— needs to be addressed. But something I've never thought about, usually muscle testing, like you said, for people who don't know, aren't familiar with muscle testing, practitioners have vials with all sorts of different different supplements and bacterias and all these different aspects that you do the muscle testing with. But I hadn't thought of doing muscle testing. Have you done muscle testing with beliefs?

We've done it. I said earlier you can do it as a lie detector. I used to start off showing people with that, just asking, okay, are you male? Are you a female? Which one they are, they're strong. The one that they aren't, they're play game with some names and other things just to show them how their body responds to what is right and what isn't. But you can test anything, absolutely anything.

And that's so fascinating because part of the whole recovery process is, for me even, I— how we talked about, a lot of people believe that if they're sick they did something wrong or they're being punished or something. And I have had to to reevaluate, I think, literally every belief I've ever had to heal, to recover, to keep moving forward, to not drown in the PTSD. And I've had to even now continue. And this is going to be a forever process. Look back on something I'm thinking or feeling and say, does that belief still serve me? Maybe it did at one point, but does it still? Is it moving me in the direction I want to move? But I never thought of muscle testing like a belief or a thought. I was just literally— I'm an energetic, empathic person, and I feel it. I'm like, does this feel good or not?

Right. You just explained something of somebody who has a very strong character. Being around different ministers and different ministries, you know, I used to travel all over the country and all over the world with different ministers, and I would tell them I always had the posture before the Lord to allow him to challenge and confront front and destroy any belief that I had about anything. And they— people tell me that's dangerous. It's not dangerous. It's dangerous not to have that. Because you said beliefs— we don't really know what's true till it hits the wall. As friendships go, we don't know who our real friends are till we hit the wall, and they're usually not who people think they are. We don't know what beliefs really are deal till we hit the wall. I found more out about biblical truth getting out of the country and getting into communist countries than he could in decades of study, because most people's view of things is cultural, it's not biblical. And to go into multicultural situations, you can see that because it's not in your own familiar thing, and people's ideas are— you just look at it, you go, what's your biblical basis that. And it's the same thing with belief systems. What gives that Jewish belief is the beliefs come out of the heart, and the hearts are really the center of life. It's a huge thing. But belief is what empowers everything that goes on. It's not subject to reason, it's not subject to fact, it's just something that comes out of the heart. Bible says, out of the abundance of the heart does the mouth speak. It's a huge, huge, huge thing that we be open to the fact that we might We might not have healthy beliefs. We might not have healthy relationships. And people talk about toxic things. Nobody addresses toxic relationship. It's the biggest toxin out there. And when there's not a supportive issue, it's a sign of toxicity in a relationship. Does that need to be addressed? Oftentimes there's a grooming of fear of can't do that. But chronic illness exposes all of those things.

Things.

It really does, and puts us in a very vulnerable situation. We can find out the health of relationships by— healthy relationships will protect us when we're vulnerable. Unhealthy ones will capitalize on it. It's nice to surround ourselves with healthy ones that help protect us with the vulnerabilities.

It's intriguing because what you are saying— so my coaching program that I've implemented over the years is called Fight, Heal, live. And I say fighting is a mindset, healing consists of choices, and then living is the outcome. It's the reward. It's living instead of existing. But fighting is a mindset. Mindset— I say it all the time, but it's not a physical act always. Sometimes it is, right? Because what you're talking— you're saying the same thing. You're saying this is going to be hard, this is going to be intense, you're going to have to adapt your lifestyle, and we're gonna do these things to build up your hormones. And you're giving very specifics when you're sitting down with a patient But you're also saying what I'm saying in Fight Hill Live, which is it has to start with the mindset. It has to start with those belief systems. And you can't come from it and be— you have to come from it. You said challenge, confront, or destroy. Is this practitioner moving me in the direction I want to go? Is it the practitioner, or is it the beliefs about my own religious perspectives that are playing into this conversation right now? Or is it the doctor's own beliefs and grooming and all that stuff? So you're saying it in a different way, But we're saying mindset, beliefs, these things are paramount to recovery.

It's really interesting when you get people together and you communicate. Remember one time we had a mother and a daughter got in a fight in our house, and the daughter was staying with us for a little while. And after about 20 minutes of this just knock-down drag-out, I just started laughing. It just kind of rocked them both back. And they look at me and go, what do you think's funny. If you two would listen to each other, you're saying the exact same thing. In total hysterics, can't hear the other one, you're saying the exact same thing. It's pretty common when you work with people, you get down to those basics. It's a too intuitive understanding of things, and obviously you're very intuitive to pick those things up. When you look at intuitive people, they speak intuitive languages. I don't know that a non-intuitive healer could have any impact on somebody with chronic illness. They're just deficient. They're missing the ability to touch soul. They're missing the ability to have a heart-to-heart. They can't connect. And everybody with chronic illness, they have to be able to connect. They have to believe that their caregiver, they can trust. They have to be vulnerable because you have to expose things of lie to be able to address them. You can't deal with anything that's hidden. It has to be exposed. And I had one person come in who was smoking dope on the way down to my office and was denying it. They reeked, and their eyes are glassy, and they're all goofy. And gave her every possible way she could to say, yeah, that's what I'm doing. She wouldn't do it. I finally knew somebody else to smoke. Can you bring me some buds or something so I can test this person person who just tanked them. It disrupted every system in their body and made them so they couldn't heal, but they wouldn't give it up, you know. And I told the person, I don't care what you're doing. All I care about is what you're putting in your body and how it affects it. And if it's affecting it negatively, what do we got to do to undo that? Does that got to come out of your life, or do we got to address something else? I don't care. I'm not making judgment. File's not going to the police department or anything like that. We have to know how to make things heal. And you talk about the intimacy thing we address— that has to be addressed. Anybody that has any intimate relationship, it's trashed with chronic illness. It's just trashed. And there's a guilt issue. And with guilt issue, it's commonly the woman that has more pain. She finally feels, well, I gotta satisfy my partner. And that type of of being used is an abuse. It's not too far from being raped, and it creates all these barriers of the heart between different people. I mean, all those things have to come out. They really have to come out. I was doing a consultation, started talking about that to a husband and wife, and the husband's getting kind of quiet and wiggling around quite a bit. And finally, I just talked to him about that and made him understand what's going on. This isn't a physical issue. Your wife's reproductive system is on fire. Everything in her body is on fire. It's on fire. It hurts. It just plain flat hurts. There's other ways you can approach this. And if you look at it from a biblical standpoint, every single sexual act is graphically depicted in biblical language, every single one. And the only one that's put in a negative context, that's anathema, you shouldn't do, is sodomy. That's it. Everything else is graphically depicted of your wildest imagination. It's in graphic detail, and it's all like that. It's whatever edifies a couple as they interact. It's whatever gives them pleasure. There's no guilt in it. Did a wedding for— Lord showed up. It was so different than anybody ever, ever I ever had experienced. It was hard to even stand up. Presence of God was so thick there, it was amazing. And the last thing we did, I kept telling her and her husband— her husband getting all that— but I kept telling my nephew, I have to have this talk with you guys. And we didn't have that until after the wedding was over, the reception was over. It took him downstairs into the, into the dressing room, and we finally had to talk about biblical sexuality. And it's really a beautiful thing to take this whole area of mystery that God designed for us to be actually minister to one another, to take it and to remove all guilt, all shame, close all the doors of all past history and past dysfunction, and open the door to be able to experience and share this deep, rich aspect of life that can only be released in deep commitment. And they left their room to go off into their honeymoon. What a beautiful picture of the last thing that goes on. As far as it goes, that has to be addressed with chronic that aspect of guilt and shame, right? That aspect is just— it's trashed. It's really trashed. And you have to give people an ability to interact in an arena that they are created to interact without guilt, without shame, with being able to fulfill. People are younger, approach to intimacy is commonly more an event issue. As people get older, it's more of an interaction. If we started off with the interaction we'd avoid a lot of the traps that are there. Far as, as that— I mean, intimacy is to bring rest, security, self-worth, protection. All of those things is really what's designed for. And children are an added issue. It's not the whole aspect of it. And when, when couples are used to coming together and they can't because of chronic illness, you have to give them some proper tools to be able to still richly experience that need in their life. And that, that's why we spent so much time in that book on that.

Wow. All right, well, I didn't even get to Chapter 2 because we've just had a dynamic, intriguing conversation. So we're gonna have to have you back. We could do a whole topic on medical PTSD, we could do a whole one on intimacy, and, and so many other things. So Dr. Brad, thank you for being here. We are out of time, but we will talk again. The book again is called Breaking the Chronic Nightmare of Lyme Disease Without Crashing, Hurting, or Feeling Worse. And it is also a tutorial on intimacy and hormones. And you're available through telehealth. Tell us how people get a hold of you.

Give you my website in there.

Yeah, all the links will be on the show notes, right?

It's, it's healthfully and then U is the letter U, it's not Y-O-U dot com. All of our access is there, ready to talk, where people try and get a hold of me for doing a consultation. I usually want somebody who's going to do a consultation to have listened to something like talk what we've had here, one of my webinars, read the book, because I don't use that time to educate them on what's going on. That time is for them specifically on what's going on. So the ready to talk button, there's 3 forms in those. Those need to be filled out in detail. The detail allows me to be specific with what's going on with you. Yeah, it's not a general time, it's not a general talk. Generalizations don't help anybody. We have to know what's going on, be able to get down to brass tacks right off the bat. And with that, we can see if there's a fit to work and figure out how we can go forward from there.

Wow. All right.

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If you are struggling with chronic illness, have symptoms you don't understand, muscle loss, chronic IBS, whatever it is, give Dr. Brad a call and let him use his intuitiveness and his medical background and his experience with chronic illness to help propel you forward. Dr. Brad, thank you for being here.

All right. Thank you. Appreciate the invite. And just send me a note on when you want to do another one, and I'll, I'll hook up with you then.

Okay, so click, hang up. Thank you so much. That was so intriguing, and I have really super enjoyed talking to you. And I enjoyed the book, but really enjoyed talking to you. And, uh, we could probably talk for 8 hours and keep the conversation going for— without any problem. But thank you. I really appreciate your perspective from a practitioner standpoint and an intuitive person. I will be in touch. Thank you for your time and your energy. It was very valuable.

Okay, thank you.

I appreciate All right, bye, Dr. Brad.

Goodbye.

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