#22: AI's for non-techies

This is going to be a fun one. Today I'm starting to really dig into a whole group of companies in AI that I call the Holodeck. In other words, over on x.com I have a list of 600 companies who are making things for creative people, from text to video, text to picture, text to whatever. Right. And today I have the founder of Game, who is building a consumer app, a really fun little app that people can use to do this stuff. Welcome to the show. Who are you?

My name is Brady Lewis. I have been in the tech world for almost my whole life. I started back in middle school, which was around 94ish.

Yeah, middle school for me was 78. Yeah, I know.

I'm still older than a lot of people in the game, so.

With a tape drive.

Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was coming up in the, you know, the dial up era. We were one of my family. I don't know how I convinced my mom, but we were one of the first few people, at least in our little town that had access to the Internet. And so I, I was obsessed with it immediately. And funnily enough, the, the website where I spent a lot of my time and actually started learning how to do HTML was this chat room. It's a little embarrassing to say, you know, I was in middle school at the time, but the chat room was called Bianca Smut Shack.

Oh boy. Your mom know about this?

Yeah. I mean, it wasn't, despite the name, there wasn't smut to be seen, at least not that I was aware of. It was really just a chat room. But back then in your messages, like your responses, you could add HTML to it. And so I started learning how to do things, simple things like putting borders around my responses and stuff like that. And that kind of led into the desire to learn more. And so quickly, me and one of my friends who also was into tech and had Internet access, we started building our own websites. And you know, this was back in the day of geocities and all of those things.

Yeah.

And you know, we, that's way, I think, pretty cool stuff. Yeah. Like, you know, we didn't know, we didn't have the, the skill or the knowledge of like, infrastructure and all that stuff. We only knew how to do HTML basically. So we had these ideas of like, we built this little dating website, but because we didn't know how to do anything super technical, we were like, you have to send us a letter in the mail to give us your, you know, your profile description essentially. And then we would put it up there. And then we kind of did the same thing with like an auction sort of thing. Obviously none of them took off, but it was.

It's a little hard to be scalable when you have to get a letter in the mail.

I know, I know, but we just didn't know any better. But, you know, I'm extremely thankful of those early lessons because, you know, not only did it start my knowledge, it really cemented that desire and love of tech. So from there, you know, through high school, we didn't even have computer classes really in high school. When I was in there in my senior year for the first time, they offered a computer programming class, which I immediately signed up for and just absolutely fell in love with it. You know, they taught us C, and we were doing super simple things like making stick figures move across the screen and stuff like that. But it was enough to let me know that that was what I wanted to do. So I. I went to Indiana University for computer science and I did the typical stupid college kid stuff and went and joined a fraternity. And so it took me much longer than it should have to finish college.

Much beer was consumed.

Exactly, yeah. And, you know, at 18 years old, living on my own, and I had a class that took me 40 minutes to walk to, and it was Midwest winter. I just didn't go to class. And that's not for you people out there listening. Don't take, don't take my advice on that. Do go to class. It's worth it. But anyway, I eventually ended up finishing my degree and got my degree from Indiana in informatics with a minor in computer science.

Or go to school in Stanford where you don't have snow to walk through.

Dude, I. I'm 42, almost 43 now, so I've had 42 years of Midwest winters and I think that I could do without them. I'm not one of those people that's like, I would miss it if I wasn't here. I'm ready to be done with the winters. Yeah, it's. It's a lot.

It's a lot. Gotta shovel this white stuff and make a path.

Yeah, man.

So you're building this company now on top with all these. Tell us a little bit about what you're doing now.

Sure. So I love. Yeah, I.

Nobody else cares.

Yeah. A couple years ago when I first got wind of ChatGPT, and this was probably, I think, GPT 3ish time, I don't even remember how it landed on my screen, but I used it a couple times. And after three or four uses. I started to get hooked and see the potential of it for myself. And I was working on another blockchain project at the time, and I decided to play around with ChatGPT and integrated a little feature that would allow people to generate tweets for the blockchain token that I was working with. And that was my first introduction into developing with, with AI. And, you know, it soon became my complete focus. I just became obsessed with AI and just the, you know, phenomenal, infinite possibilities with it. Like, it's, it's, it's so. There's so many possibilities that it makes it hard to even think of one. Like when, when everything is at your disposal, it's hard to even come up with ideas. But then, you know, I, I, me and my business partner, we saw the potential of it and we also saw how scared everybody was of it and how, you know, technically complex some of the stuff was. And, you know, it's completely understandable that people are intimidated by it and shy away from it. Yeah, not to mention, you know, the things.

There's a lot of settings in Mid Journey, for instance. Right. You know, a lot of things to. A lot of knobs to turn.

Exactly. Not only that, but you have. I think that they're going away from this now, but you had to be in discord to even use it. And, you know, it was just a lot of hoops to go through for something that already seemed very intimidating to most people. And so, you know, we decided that that was going to be our goal, was to make something that was not so complex and not so many barriers to get into it. So we started focusing on how to make AI accessible and easy and not scary for the average person. So we started developing game, and on top of trying to abstract away the complexities and difficulties that the average person wouldn't even know where to start with. We also didn't like the fact that you had to have a different app for each feature. You had to have an image generator app, you had to have a Chatbot app, and you had to have Image Computer Vision App. All these different things were very piecemeal.

That's why we have multiple monitors. You can have Window with Mid Journey on it and another one for ChatGPT or Clip Quad or Gemini or hell, open them all, have like 15 windows open, but you need a lot of monitor.

I know, I know I can Pro.

That's why I got a Vision Pro. Have them all done in the Vision Pro.

I've seen all your videos on that. And everybody else's videos and I, I can't wait to get one and try it out.

You. It's really cool, but it's heavy. It's really cool because you get all as many monitors as you want around you. You can have mid journey running on the wall over here and chat GPT running on the window every year, you know, and it's all cool, but it's heavy.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's. Right. Most people don't have an extra four grand in their pocket to go and go to the Apple Store with.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another one of those things that there's just so many possibilities that could be with it. And I, you know, I highly expect that in the future some version of that is going to be the norm. I mean, it's just so, it's just so cool and so seems so convenient having not used it. I can't say, you know, it's not just convenient.

I mean, I love it. It's really cool to see AI art in it. Right? So when you're, yeah. When you're seeing, like you go to x.com and I have a list of 3,000, 4,000 AI artists and you click on one of those pieces of art, you can make it as big as your wall. Right. And, and yeah, or, or put it on the ceiling or wherever, you know, because you can move the monitors around, the virtual monitors around it. It's really beautiful. And that the Sony chips in front of your eyes are probably better than the TV you have. Right? Or, or the monitor.

That's true.

Way better than my imac monitor or little monitor I'm looking at right now.

I suppose you could pin a piece of art that you like to one of your walls when they had glasses on.

There might be some AI art behind me.

That's so cool, man. I can't wait to try it.

It's a new world that we're, we're going into. I mean, you know, and you turn the, the dial and the AI art goes away, the room goes away. Now you're in Yosemite, it's like, whoa, that's cool.

Yeah, Yeah. I just don't see how that can't be, you know, something that becomes just the norm because it will when it.

Gets lightweight and gets cheaper. Right. If it's $1,000 pair of glasses that are lightweight and thin and you can wear them all day long, this is the future. It's just, it's heavy, man. It's heavy. It's, it's, it's like you Know, version one products always suck, remember? You know, I mean, joking around about middle school. Apple 2 only had two apps and had a tape drive, you know, and only had 16 kilobytes of ram.

Yeah, yeah. I remember when we were first getting on the Internet, it was like you could go to like, Coca Cola.com, you could go to NBC.com. there was only like a handful of established websites out there. And it's so crazy to think back on that now. I mean, there's millions created every day. But yeah, it's so weird when you live through the beginning of a technology and get to see it through and it's super cool. I, I am, I'm very thankful that I was, you know, I'm old enough to have lived through seeing the Internet really take shape and become, you know, everywhere and ubiquitous with every job and everything else. I feel like that gives me, you know, a little benefit to have seen how the progress happened and understand, you know, a new technology that comes out now that people may say or that, you know, is slow to take off. Not that the Internet was, but, you know, you can understand that there's still incredible potential behind that technology. And, you know, it's hard to imagine the world now with the. Without the Internet.

What are you learning by building this new service where you're not, you're not the people building the models, right? You're not built. You're not competing with Mid Journey or Chat GP or Anthropic or any of these big companies that have $10 billion of investment kind of thing and a hundred thousand Nvidia cards building models. You're trying to build a service for consumers to hide all the, you know, the complexity of all that and make it fun. Right? What are you learning about this world of AI by doing this?

There's a lot of things, so many things that I've learned. So I, I worked at Salesforce as a technical architect and platform architect and manager of a team for about eight years before I left about two years ago to start doing my own thing. And when I was at Salesforce, I thought I knew. I thought I knew what I was doing. I thought I knew it all. I thought I was like the master of my domain. And as soon as I left there and started handling everything on my own because I was, I was in the marketing cloud at Salesforce. So, you know, I was dealing with these. I was, I was the tech guy essentially for these huge companies like Ulta Beauty and Victoria's Secret and everything. And just thought, you know, I've got a handle on this. And then when I left and started actually handling the entire realm of, you know, the full tech stack and, and everything with my new stuff, I was just blown away by how very narrow, you know, my little niche at Salesforce was, even though I thought I knew it all. But then you get into, you know, handling infrastructure and deploying and all these other things, and the, you know, the actual, like, coding part is such a small aspect of it. And one of the easier, at least for me, since that's my background, one of the easier pieces of it, but like, learning how to build servers and architect apps as. To make them as scalable as possible, which is what, you know, another part of what we did. You know, we built game AI, which is the app that we're talking about that, you know, you go in the App store, that's what you're going to see. But when we built it, we built it in mind of it being like our, our base infrastructure. So now we are spinning off additional apps that take, you know, a fraction of the time to create because we've structured the syntax and integrated the, the data together to be able to use the power and the technology that we built with the base app to spin it off into, like. Now we're going into some more blockchain things. We're. We're working with a. The base chain, which I don't know how into crypto you are, but that's coinbases. I have a list level two.

I have a list of 4, 000 people on x.com all in crypto and web three and, you know, block. Blockchain technologies. Just. I have a separate list of decentralized AIs. I mean, it's crazy. There's a lot of activity going on.

Yeah, very cool.

A lot of people making money or thinking they're making money. I don't know.

Yeah. So with this new, our blockchain stuff, for instance, we're working with a token called Andy, which is on the base chain, and it's a meme coin, which. It took me a while to really understand what a meme coin was. I was trying to understand, you know, how do you make utility out of this and, and do.

What is one utility since you, since you brought it up.

Yeah. So it's, it's basically a crypto token that's based on creativity. Like, literally memes. People make memes of the, the character. Most of the tokens have like a mascot kind of thing. And, you know, really, it's, it's about Hype, you know, if you can get influencers and people behind your token, that's really what seems to drive these things because again, utility is not at the forefront of the mean coin world. It's, it's more like just for fun. And you that I really struggle to understand that concept because you know, I'm a business value minded person and I'm like, okay, well what's going to ever make these more valuable kind of thing if we're not building anything around them or anything like that? So that was kind of what led to us attempting that, to build some utility around this Andy Meme coin. And so we have done things like build custom AI bots around the characters of these memes and things like creating image generators that are trained to do things like create memes that are specific to the token. And it's been pretty cool. I think that there's still just like with AI, there's still a lot of people that are afraid of blockchain and rightfully so. There's so many scams out there, so many scammers which I just can read them all.

I got a list of them.

Yeah, man, it's, it's a lot of activity.

It's hard, it's hard to. The crypto world. I was talking with the entrepreneurs building a crypto based video game and it's a whole different culture there. Like you said, they use, they don't use their faces in most of their the accounts. Right. There's a whole culture of it and you have to sort of dig into the culture before you can really understand it, you know.

Yeah, yeah. And it seems like even if you feel like you have a grasp on it, like you said, people are doing, they're creating these coins anonymously and there's as of yet there's, you know, we know things like SVF and these big name people that have been taken down for being scammy. But you know, that's just a tiny fraction of the scams that really go on. Like I feel like 99 of the tokens out there, especially in like the meme Coin realm, are people just screwing people over. I mean they're just putting coins up and getting people to buy into them and then just pulling it out from underneath them. And it's just so heartbreaking. I just don't understand how people, you know, can, can do that kind of thing and just, you know, they didn't earn that, earn that money. And so I, I think that you're.

Trying to make sense of it for your customer and add some utility because there is some. The blockchain does let you do things with it, right?

Yeah, yeah. There are super cool things and business value things like, you know, the fact that everything is recorded and you know, it's immutable on, on the chain. But those aren't, you know, those aren't in the conversation with meme coins.

No.

And that, that stuff's a lot less sexy to the average person. It's super cool to tech people like us. But I think that again, just like with AI, the tech, the super tech people know about AI and are comfortable with AI and are using AI, but the other 99 and a half percent of people in the world aren't. And so I think that it's on us as the builders, whether it be AI or blockchain, to not only build products that average people want to use, but I think before that we have to, you know, the, the burden of education falls on us. Like, we have to tell people why they even need AI or what AI can even do for them or why they should, you know, trust a, a blockchain token and put money into it like that. That stuff is not just naturally understood by people who don't eat, sleep and breathe it all the time.

Yeah, that's why I'm doing this show. Partly, partly I'm trying, trying to help business people get, understand this stuff, but I also help normal everyday people, you know, understand this world AI because I'm, I'm, I live in it, right? I'm on x dot com. I have lists of everything in the AI space. I, and I'm doing these interviews. So I, and I go to AI events in San Francisco a lot, right? So, and I grew up here. You know, Siri was launched in my house, right. So I've been watching AI since the very beginning, right? So I, but, but normal everyday people, my family and friends, they, they, they don't do that, right?

Oh yeah, I know one of the, when we first got the game AI app live and in the app stores and everything, our friends and family were like, oh, that's awesome, you have an app. They were impressed by the fact that we had an app in the app Store, but they weren't using the app. They would download it because I would ask them to, but then they just wouldn't do anything with it until I would physically go to them, open the app on their phone, show them the kind of fun stuff that it can do, then they were hooked most of the time.

But it's just that, what kind of Fun stuff. Do you show them? How do you convince somebody who's like, totally not in AI, maybe even afraid of it or heard on, you know, Fox or cnb, cnn, you know, oh, this shit's gonna take down humanity, you know, which is actually a little possible. But, you know, it's a little bit overblown. But how do you get, how do you get somebody excited about it? What's the, what's the first. There's a couple of demos that you, you do?

Yeah, there's a couple that are my. Go to one of them for people that have kids, small kids especially their kids love the image to image AI generators. So we have a handful of them in the app. Like we have a Cartoonize yourself. So they'll take a picture of their kid and, and the AI will turn it into a cartoon and they think it's cool, but their kids really love it. Like, I, one of my best friends, she's like, yeah, we have to do this basically every night. My daughter comes and wants to turn herself into a cartoon. So that's an easy sell for people with kids. But I, I also, we have a AI tool in the app that's a virtual bartender. And so you can give it the ingredients that you have on hand or that you're going to get from the store or whatever.

I got some, I got some cranberry juice, I got some Diet Coke. You know, what can I make?

Yep. And so it will come back with a new recipe and it will give it a cool name and it will even give it like a little salesy blurb at the end of it. Because like my mom, she retired from Salesforce as well, but now she bartends at a local country club kind of just for fun. But she is the manager of the bar and she has to come up with drinks and stuff. So she's constantly using it. And she'll take that self blurb and that will be like what she puts on the chalkboard underneath the, the name. So that's a lot of fun too. And then we, you know, we have some stuff that's just silly, like generate a song about yourself based on the information you put into it. And so I think that those, you know, less businessy, more entertaining.

You can take some disses Against Kanye on X.com with your new song. Right. You know, write some new lyrics.

Absolutely. Yeah. We have, we have a tool that is basically like a.

Or. Or we have one is probably the best place for that.

But you know, yeah, we have a burn bot tool where you put something that somebody says in and it will, you know, create a response to them that's like attempting to make them look foolish kind of thing. So, yeah, I think that those fun, those fun type of tools are what can get people interested. I don't necessarily think that those are the tools that make AI the superpower that it is or that it will be, but it's all about getting, you know, getting people to get their feet wet. And I think that those fun entertainment type of tools are the good option to get them there.

Yeah, people want to create new stories about themselves. Right. They get tired of taking the same selfies of them and their friends. You know, hey, let's create some, you know, weird ass shit to share on Instagram or. Right. I'm seeing this with, with, you know, regular people that, that they're using these tools for, you know, telling new stories about themselves. Really?

You know, for sure, yeah.

Music, you know, that you don't have to pay royalties for and that's customized to the story. Right. You know, hey, look at me. I could.

Yeah. You know, the creativity of AI is, is unbelievable. And that's, that story is exactly like my, my fiance's father has a houseboat and, and a boat down in Florida and is really into sailing and all that stuff. And so I, when I was at the houseboat last summer, he and his friend were just sitting around the table and we're talking about somebody giving a toast or something. And so I was like, all right, hold on. So I pulled up the app and put in, you know, our names, our information, what we were doing or whatever about the houseboat and had it write a toast or like a little speech. And like, that's what got them. They were, they were blown away by that, like the fact that it could write something that was significantly better than anything that they could have written and do it in 30 seconds. And it was funny and it was, it was just perfect. So, you know, I'm constantly looking for those entry points or opportunities to kind of meld the story of why AI is cool to these specific people. And, you know, you get them, once you get that hook in them, then they're hooked.

Yeah.

But it's all about, you know, finding the ways to get people to understand why they should even entertain the idea of using AI.

What's the resistance you hear from normal everyday people? You know, is it still the fear? Is it, I don't want to give up my privacy? You know, do you hear any of that kind of stuff or do people just not know what it can do. And once they see it, they're diving in.

I don't actually hear much about the privacy issue, surprisingly, I think I get a lot of. I don't even know what AI is. I don't understand AI, you know, just the fear of not having any idea what it's for. Also, there's the huge resistance of people thinking that AI is going to take their jobs.

Yeah.

And so it's almost like a lot of those people are just like, out of principle, I'm not going use AI kind of thing. And you know, it's a, it's an easy.

That's. By the way, you should tell them that's the wrong approach because the, the people who use AI are going to be the last to get fired. All the CEOs tell me that. They tell me, oh, you know, if I have to fire somebody today because we're cutting back, the, the last to get fired is the dude in the corner who's using AI to write all the marketing copy or, you know, or, or using it to run the business or whatever. Right?

Yeah, you're so right.

I, I used it with my legal documents when I was in setting up my business. Right. Give the lawyers documents to the chat GPT and said, hey, tell me about these documents. What should I pay attention here? You know, is there anything in here that I should pay extra attention to? Is there anything wrong? Should I see a lawyer about this? Right. You know, and it laid it out. It was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this looks all pretty standard. Oh, this one. Hey, you should look at that term there, you know?

Exactly, exactly. And that's like, if you would go to somebody who refused to use AI to do exactly what you're saying, but didn't approach it, you know, as I want you to use this AI and you just went to him and said, hey, how would you feel if I had a person who could come in here, read through these in 30 seconds and tell you exactly what you need from it? They'd be like, okay, yeah, sign me up. And that's exactly what AI can do for you. It's just people's principles and their mindset of not wanting to do it or thinking they can't or whatever. That's what I'm saying. We have to show or explain to these people. And I think that part of it also. And same thing with blockchain. I think if you don't force even the words AI or artificial intelligence down their throats, they'd be more accepting of it. If they didn't even know that it was AI that was doing this for them. They probably wouldn't have a problem with it. But you tell them that it's AI and they're either going to be afraid to use it.

I have a place where you can check your legal docs and make sure your lawyer not ripping you off and didn't miss something. They don't even need to know it's AI, Right? It's just. Oh, really? You have a system that can read your legal document? That's cool.

I mean, think how many people have paid hundreds or thousands of dollars just to do. Have somebody do exactly what you used AI to do. I mean, it happens all the time. Just because they're either unaware or refuse to.

In Silicon Valley, lawyers are charging $1,250 an hour. So if you save a lawyer an hour, that's $1,250 in your pocket. You know, I got a service that cost 20 bucks a month that does that, you know, that's pretty cool.

Exactly. It's. It's hard to understand sometimes from our perspective, why people would be resistant to it.

Yeah, I tell them. I tell them it's, hey, I gotta. I got a thing that can help you read the Bible.

Yeah, that's when I learned TV in the church, right?

I met a lot of people like this, you know? Do you know, you. You can have a little thing read the Bible with you, and it'll tell you all about the Bible. It'll tell you the history and what the verses mean. It'll translate things, right? It'll maybe even draw a picture for you if you don't understand it. Right? It's like, whoa.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And one of the sections in Game AI, our app is AI Character Chat. And we took that from just characters to inanimate objects, like books. So we have the Bible on there. So you can actually chat with the Bible, not just have it read it, you know, read itself to you, but, like, you can ask it questions, you can converse with it.

And who's this Paul the Baptist dude?

I mean, it's just crazy what you can do.

You can start talking about the Baptist, right? Hey, Paul the Baptist, you know, what would you think about this issue in America Today?

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, if I was still in school, I'd be using it all the time. Like, I have to do a report on Benjamin Franklin. Okay, well, let me just go chat with him, you know, which is, which is what, you know, you can do in the app. And it's just so much.

Why did you put a key on a kite in the rain? Man, that is. That's crazy. Yes. Oh, wait a second. I plugged a capacitor into the wall. So you know.

Yeah, but that's exactly right. Like when before, have you ever had the opportunity to talk with these people that have obviously been dead our whole lives? But you can, you can get information that you're not going to find in your textbook. You can have conversations and ask these characters why they did what they did.

And do you let them know it's sometimes it bullshit. So you can't just steal what they say and put it in your essay. You got to check it out a little bit. Because, you know, AI does have hallucinations and it does.

Yes.

It's sort of like a human. Humans make up facts out of thin air. Right. You know, the AI does the same. It makes up facts out of thin air. You got to check out the facts before you turn it in to the teacher because otherwise the teacher is going to know you used AI to write the paper.

Yeah, but that's, that's one of the ways that I attempt to explain AI to people is that, you know, when you're talking about how to talk or prompt or whatever, you can think of it like a person. Like it's, it knows stuff. It has intelligence. That's the part of the intel, that's the intelligence part of artificial intelligence, obviously. And that's a weird concept for most people because that hasn't really been a thing. So, you know, that's another complicated part that you kind of have to explain to people. And another thing that we tried to abstract away in our app, you know, we pre trained on the back end. So, you know, whatever you prompt is supplemented by our, our details to kind of try and make it a little better based on what you put in. Yeah, but yeah, it's, that's all these.

Prompt engineering for your day job, is that what you're doing?

I definitely, like, I understand the, you know, mega prompts that people are putting together and everything. And you know, I've, I've built a couple of those like for GPD flow. Had a prompting contest. But you know, in my day to day use, I use it all the time and I'm more of just quick hits. I use it a lot for my coding and so like if I have, like if I want to create a new component, I'll let GPT or Kame or whichever tool I'm using at the moment give Me, the base of it, the general form of it, and then I'll start customizing it a little bit. But then when I get stuck on something, I'm just going to take the code and put it back into the tool and be like, I'm getting this error. Can you tell me what the problem is? A lot of times it will get it right, but it will at least get you looking in the right area to try and figure it out. And so I, you know, I do that all the time. However, I am not on the bandwagon yet of developers are no longer useful because AI can code everything.

Oh, you haven't found Devin yet or Microsoft Copilot yet, You know.

Yeah, I definitely have used Copilot, you're right.

But I feel like you need creative person. Like you're a creative person. You're using these tools to come up with something new for people. Right. And help them get into this new world.

Right.

And, and get something out of it, build it.

Yeah.

And I use your interface maybe. Right.

For sure. But I think we're still in the time not, not to say that we will be forever or even very long, but we're still in the time where at least for bigger projects, you need you as yourself to be, you know, the manager, the software architect or whatever because of context Windows and everything, you know.

Oh, you're using a dirty word there. What's Context Window? If you, if we're going to talk to Norma. Mean. What's that?

Yeah, I mean, as far as like.

You mean you put, put a million tokens into a gem. Google Gemini. What does that mean? You got Translate. You can, you could take three Harry Potter books and put it in the window and it can read them all at one time and then you can talk to all three together.

Yeah.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah, it's so crazy. So cool. And the, the rate of improvements and options are just going up and up and up. And like, when I first started doing this, it was very small context window. You could, it could only understand basically your conversation that you're having with it. And now with assistance and custom GPTs and all these things, like you're saying you could feed in tons of PDFs and documents and those capabilities keep going up and up. And we're talking about over the course of a year, a year and a half, which just blows my mind to think of what it's going to be like in two years. You know, it's, it's basically just going to have probably access to have a.

Humanoid robot in my house, walking around, hey, humanoid robot, go and get me a Diet Coke, please.

I know, and, and think about the combination of all these technologies. You know, you got the, the glasses and a robot and AI powering everything around you and it's, it's going to be a completely different world. And I think that with AI it's kind of like feeds upon itself, that it's just going to make the, the process to get to that end point just faster and faster and you know, the improvements on everything technology wise are just going to increase and.

Are you playing with AI agents yet? Take it away from the normal people for a second. You know, here in San Francisco, everybody's talking about AI. Oh, I got a bunch of AI agents, you know, doing research, doing this, analyzing this. Right. And then bringing back the answers and doing all sorts of stuff. Right. Are you, are you setting up any of those or playing with that and trying to simplify it for normal everyday people who don't know what an AI agent is and don't care. Right. They just want to click a button to have something done.

Right. Yeah, that is, that is 100, it's 100 on the roadmap. I, my personal experience, I, I tried to get into, I can't even remember what it was called, but it's been many months ago. Yeah, one of them that was, it was one of the first agents that was, was being talked about and it was still. You had to go on to GitHub and clone the repo into, you know, run it locally. It wasn't user end user ready. Yeah, by any means. And it was in, it was in Python I think, which is, I prefer Node and react and JavaScript and all that stuff. So I never really got it to work very well. And that kind of, if that, if I would have succeeded in getting that to do the things that I wanted to, I'm sure that I, that would.

You got to go back because every week is improving. You know, that's, that's the thing about AI. If you can't figure something out one week, wait, wait a week, and all of a sudden another comes out that does it better. Right. Or, or somebody else figures out a whole AI agent framework and all of a sudden it's like, whoa, that's cool. You know. Right.

I know. I feel like that's kind of a, a blessing and a curse. It's as, as at least as a, an app developer for the, the end user. That's fantastic that there, there's constantly new capabilities and everything. As an app developer, it's like, well, now there's another thing that I need to work on to add to the app. There's, you know, each time something new comes along that is, is interesting or useful or cool. Yeah, I, I like to get it into the app and it's hard to keep up when the improvements are just so fast and so often, but it's super cool. It's like, this is, this is. For a tech geek, this is like the coolest era since probably the Internet. So by no means might be even.

Cooler, you know, I mean, I, Every era is cool, right? Because you get new thing. It's like, oh man, I got, I can do something new. You know, it's like fun. But this, this era, man, it's like, wow, that's. I mean, I have 4,500 companies on my list on x.com, all AI companies, and they do everything from, you know, helping you with legal docs to, you know, letting you generate videos. You know, I mean, it's like, whoa, there's a lot. It's a lot. It's impossible to keep up with. You need a, a bunch of AI agents to go through my list and tell you what, you know, give me three things to try today, you know.

Yeah, that's, that's a great idea. I, I think that it's super cool to think about and I think that this is, is.

I'm building, I'm building that or somebody else is sort of helping me build it is using open. Interpret. Go through my list and try to try to keep up because I can't keep up either. I mean, I, it's like, right, right, right now I'm talking to you. If, if I showed you my screen on x dot com, there's new things every second, every second. There's like, it's like, wow, it's hard to keep up. And I'm not keeping up because I'm talking to you. Right? So I'm falling behind. I need some agents to keep, keep me up, you know, so when I get off this thing, my agents should be like, hey, here, here's five things that were talking, you know.

Yeah. And, and I, I don't, I think it's only going to increase. I don't think it's going to slow down because of AI itself. It's like AI gives like the. Our whole company is a two person team. Me and Zach, I've I've built every asset, every app, every version of the app with the help of AI and like, you know, we we can put an app together in a week or two, just the two of us. Where, you know, I worked in, in the corporate world, it would have taken six months, you know, to get through all the bureaucracy and, and all the teams. Yeah.

Maybe never, maybe. It's so hard to have all this mean you just give up. You know, I had seen that a lot. I worked at Microsoft. I saw the same thing. Yeah, it's like, oh, we could compete with Dig. I really go, go try to compete with Dig. You know, back in the day. Yeah. People would brag, oh, I could compete with Dig in. Really? Go ahead, try, try, try to convince the lawyers to let you ship.

Yeah, yeah.

You convince Bill Gates to give you $100,000 to buy a server or two. You know, go ahead. You know, let's see. I tried, I tried to talk him out of a billion, but, you know, if you're gonna meet with Bill and try to make, make some happen, you know, aim for the fence, you know, don't, don't for a little server. Go for the whole. I, I, I asked him to buy Web 2.0, the whole thing. Steven Sidofsky sent me a big, long note. You don't have enough business value. You know.

That'S amazing.

That note cost Microsoft Corporation just with one. I told him by Skype before ebay bought it. Right. And it would have been $2 billion. $2 billion if I Skype and Microsoft ended up paying $8 billion not to listen to me, you know? Yeah, yeah. Bill Gates is still a billionaire, and all I got is a fun story to tell you.

You don't think he's staying up at night? I should have listened to Robert.

He should have. I, I told him by Automatic before Automatic took over the web. Automatic. Today, 75, 75% of the web is running on WordPress. He could have owned WordPress, you know, he didn't listen to me. He could have had 75% of the web in his pocket. Now he decided I didn't have business value.

That would be hard. Those are some hard things that, at least not, you know, obviously I've never been in that position, but it feels like you would, you would stay up at night thinking, man, I should have listened. That was a bad decision. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't.

Maybe, I mean, I'm sure if you asked him about it, yeah, I should have bought Automatic. I mean, yeah, everybody has their misses in their head, right? You know, I should, I shouldn't have sold apple at 25 cents. That was stupid.

Yeah, I love that, that, that tweet that still surfaces all the time of the guy saying, I wish I would have sold Bitcoin at $0.08 or something like that. You just never know, man.

I've talked to many vendor capitalists. They all have their list of misses, you know, because they see 2,000 companies a year, you know, sometimes more, and they fund seven companies. So they say no to everything, basically. And you know you're gonna say no to some good shit, you know, you're gonna learn. I mean, Starbucks heard no 200 times. 200 people turned down Starbucks. Could have been the investor in Starbucks. 200 people did. And then one guy said yes, finally. Right. But you know how 200 people have. Have I said no to Starbucks in their head, you know?

Yeah, that would, that would be really tough to swallow if you didn't find success otherwise.

Like, they probably invested in Google and we're just doing fine.

Yeah, you only need those people.

You only need one hit in life as a venture capitalism. You're. You're doing fine, you know, but yeah, everybody, Everybody has their misses, you know, it's part of life. You miss things.

Yeah, for sure.

I've missed so many things. I was on Reid Hoffman's plane before he started LinkedIn. The other guy on the plane put 100 grand into LinkedIn and pulled $30 million out. Right. You know, so. Yeah.

Wow.

You know, do you. If you ever invent a time machine, let me know. I. I got a few things to go back and redo in time, you know.

Yeah, that rem. Have you ever seen the movie Hot Tub Time Machine?

No, I haven't. That was that.

Well, they. They obviously find a time machine and at the end of the movie, they go back to. One guy doesn't. He stays in the past.

Yeah.

And so when the future people catch up with this guy, he's lived through the past and his name is Lou. And so the search engine of the world is Lugal because he went back and knew that he needed to invest in Google. And so I thought that was pretty humorous.

Yeah. If we had a time machine, the world would get really up because people would go fix their mistakes.

I know that. Yeah. That's a whole.

I never even thought about, you know, things that they know, you know?

Yeah. Everybody all at once gets to go back.

Like, I was standing next to the second atm, Bitcoin atm in Toronto, Canada. Nobody showed up to pull money out of that thing, you know, and if we had a time machine, there'd be a line out the Door.

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Me included. I would have emptied the machine before anybody showed up because if I had one, you know, if I had. No.

Yeah, I guess that's how we learn, right?

Yeah. So what's, what is it about AI that we're missing today? You know, what's the big opportunity right in front of us that we're like, gonna, gonna miss, you know?

That's a good question.

Yeah.

Now you got me deep thinking.

Yeah. I don't know. Venture capitalists ask me that every morning. Like, hey, what? You got anything for me this morning? I'm like, I don't know. I got 4, 500 companies. I don't know which one to tell you about, you know?

Yeah, yeah. And yeah, there's so many so fast, so many, so, so many changes so quickly, it's hard to.

I gotta build eight agents. So, hey, can you go through my 4,500 companies and look for companies that are getting a little adoption that they didn't have yesterday, just announced a new product and nobody really is paying attention to that might be interesting. You know, stuff like that, right? That, that's, that's what we got to do to find new things. Right? The billionaires have people like this, right? I mean, they, they have, they have people for that. You know, hey, go fly around and go visit these little startups and find me some investments to make, you know.

Yeah, for sure. And, and I, I try to imagine because, you know, in, in a year or two, that's going to be happening right and left. Oh, it's happening right now. These features are just going to be built into the tools and apps that everybody uses. Whether you even realize that it's, it's AI doing it or not. So it's, that's like another level of, okay, well, when AI is just already integrated into everything, what are you going to do that's new then? You know, what, how do you keep innovating on a technology that is already integrated into everything that we use? So, yeah, I think that the, the window of these cycles is dramatically shortened now and probably for, for the rest of history thanks to AI. So it's, you know, it's not going to be like, all right, we're going to sit with this technology for 15.

Years before you're seeing it in the stock market, right? If, when Apple announces new results, instantly the market reacts, oh, how did it react so fast? Humans can't read the PDF that fast. A computer read it, saw, oh, earnings were better than expected or whatever, or they give out A new dividend that nobody was thinking about. Oh, let's buy, buy, buy, buy. Right? And the AI is buying and humans aren't even involved. And it happens so fast. You just, as a, as a retail investor, if you don't have a system like that, you're, that's why I don't play short term games because I, I don't have an AI that does that. Right. The pros do. My friend, my friend built one for himself. He's making millions of dollars with his AI.

See, now this is an issue I have. Like, I will. You'll throw an idea out that, like that out to me and I'll, I'll immediately be like, I got to build it. I got to build it. And I have to keep myself in check, you know, to focus on the things that I need to be focusing on because I love building things. And you know, over the course of all my tech, I've gotten pretty good at building things. So I, I don't ever have that thought of. That's too complicated. I can't build that. I always have the thought of, oh yeah, I could definitely build that.

Oh, could you build an autonomous car, you know, go to go to town against Tesla and Waymo, you know, Right. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know if I have that much confidence in myself, but yeah, I mean it's, it's fun to build and it's, you know, with the capabilities of the, the tools that can help you build things and build them quick, it's, it's hard to, at least for me to keep myself focused on, you know, the handful of projects that are, are critical to our business and not go, you know, build something just on whim because somebody said something. I'm like, that's cool. Yeah, let's go do that.

Yeah.

But I would like to get to the point where that's all I had to do was just build fun stuff.

Stuff. Yeah, that's good.

That would be fun.

So that's, that's what you're trying to do with game is try to make something fun for people.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I, I think it's, it's very fun once you get people to understand not only the fun things, but just the power that's available. Like, like going back to you sent talking about the, the app, normal people.

You push a button and an image shows up. That's magic, right? It's like, yeah, wow.

Especially that's magic. Turning your kids into a cartoon. Like, how are you? You have never been able to do that. In your life, you've never known how to turn your kid into a cartoon, and now you can do it in 15 seconds.

Yeah.

It's just cool stuff.

Yeah.

And, you know, the, the, the educational potential of AI is insane, too, because I have a list.

You said I have a list of education apps also. Right. There's a whole bunch of people like you who are working on, on that, helping teachers, you know, grade papers or make lesson plans. Plus the students do research and learn things. It's.

Yeah, it's. It's fantastic. And the people that embrace a new book on it.

Right. He has a TED video.

Yeah. Yeah. The people that embrace it are the ones that are going to, to thrive and the people that fight it. Like, you know, there's, there's not, there's not a whole group of teachers that are still doing their job that have refused to let calculators in the classroom. I mean, it's not like you're going to be able to outlast AI. It's. It's silly. And I think stubbornness at this point in time, you're hurting yourself if you don't start to at least start to learn what AI is and, and how to use it.

Yeah.

Because somebody's gonna come up behind you that loves AI and do your job in an hour that it takes you a week to do.

Yeah.

And that's, I mean, it's gonna keep that person on the takes.

Plus, if you're a teacher and not using it, how do you know your kids aren't using it to turn in their papers? You know, if you use it, you know the pattern, I guess, because it, you know, and the, it gets right. Because once in a while, stick some in. Into the answer. And you have to. If you're a teacher, you. And you ask the question that the kids are going to ask. Right. Because they have an essay to do on Ben Franklin. You'll see the, you'll see the student turn in the. You know, you used AI to, To do your paper and you didn't check the facts. You're going to get a D on that one. You know.

Exactly. And if you're familiar with AI, you can help them to properly use AI. Like, you're, you're not going to be able to keep it out of the classroom.

No.

So the next.

It's a, It's a very powerful learning. My favorite prompt, and we should talk about prompts since you're, you're a guy who studies normal people. My favorite prompt is, please show me all points of View on X on, on a topic on Ben Franklin, on electricity, on whatever you're studying. Right. And it does, it shows you everything. Right. And then you can dig in and start. I learn a lot by doing that. Right.

Me too. Those are the kind of things that people just don't. It doesn't even come to their mind yet.

No, because they don't know. They, they think it's Google. Right. I, I know I've gotten a few people on AI and they, they treat it like Google. Like electricity. No, no, no. Talk to it, you know, have a conversation with it. It'll, it'll, you know, it'll hold its own. Come on.

Absolutely. Yeah. I, One of my.

And also you can do multi, multi step front if you get somebody to multi step prompts. Right? Because like, like show me all points of view on X. And it does. Oh. Make a Persona for each point of view. It gives you names for each point of view. Right. Like Ben Franklin is a key guy in electricity or whatever. Then, hey, join them together into a panel discussion or a debate club or.

Exactly.

Right. Or a South by Southwest panel. Have a South by Southwest panel between all these names. Right. And then talk to the group and then you get a really weird answer. Right. It's like, whoa, the group's talking to you about electricity. It's like, whoa, that's cool. Right? If you get somebody that.

Yeah.

Then they're in, they're, they're advanced.

Yes, that. Exactly. And that's actually one of the tools in our app is called Academic Illuminati.

Yeah.

And what it does is you put in your question, your topic or whatever, and it first identifies 10 potential experts on the subject. Then from there it filters it to the four best, then it gives an answer from each of those four, and then it has like a moderator combine, you know, the thoughts of all four and give an overall perspective. But it's exactly what you're saying. Like that is, that's kind of next level prompting. And it's so powerful, like to get multiple perspectives and you can get them from any perspective that you want or all of the perspectives. It's just, just stuff that was not, has not been available or at least not available to somebody that didn't have a market research team to go out and do studies every single day with a thousand people. It's just incredible. The power.

Yeah. If you're going in a restaurant, I, I force myself to use AI to learn how it, how it thinks and what it knows and what it doesn't know. And you know what it's good for, what it's not good for? I go into a restaurant and start talking. Chat GPT. Hey, what should I eat at this restaurant? Right. It's a lot better if you have a committee, like a food critic person on your committee and a chef on your committee and, you know. Yeah, right.

And throw.

All of a sudden, all of a sudden you're having a talk with the committee. Hey, what should I eat at this restaurant? I'm going to Terry Black's in Austin now. You know, what should I. What should I try here? Oh, the brisket. It's pretty good. But, you know, if you want good brisket, you got to go to Franklin's. But the ribs at Terry Blacks are really amazing. It talks to you like this. It's crazy.

Yeah, yeah. And you. You throw in a Persona that's like your dietitian. That. The first one's like, oh, you got to get this brisket, and the chocolate cake's amazing. And then the other, your dietitian Persona pops in. It's like, hey, no, no, no, you know, that's too many calories. You gotta watch what you're doing.

Yeah. You might shoot something off the vegan menu, you know.

Yeah. I saw you in that shirt the other day. You probably shouldn't have that cake. Yeah, yeah.

You know, oh, stay away from the banana. The. The. The creamed corn, and it has a lot of fat in it, you know?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, these are the fun things that we just need people to understand that it's possible and how to do it.

Yeah.

Because it's not hard once you know how to do it. It's not hard.

It's just getting people there and it's getting faster and. And it's getting more accurate.

Right.

And. And it's getting better. Soon it's just going to give you a picture. By the way, are you doing anything with the camera yet? Are you. Are you putting a. Doing anything with multi. Multimodal models?

Yeah, we have.

Because chat GPT now, you aim it at anything and it tells you about it. Right. They can't. If you know how to do it, It's.

Yeah. So we have. Yeah, we have AI site where you can. At this point in time, you can take a picture or upload an image or whatever, and it, you know, it uses chat GPTs back in to understand the image.

Yeah.

Which I like to do when I'm creating a new component or site or whatever. I like to sketch out the layout on a piece of paper, take A picture of it. Have it get.

There's a guy who created a company doing that. You just draw your user interface and. And it builds it for you.

It's like, whoa, no, I know.

That's one little form with like an address bar and this, you know, and a name and a phone number and a button to say submit. You know, you just draw that on a napkin, you take a picture of it and builds it for you. It's like, what? It's crazy.

I know. And I like to use it for almost like a super note taker too. So like, if I'm. I'm somewhere and I see like a chart or an image or a graphic or a poster or something that I want to remember, I'll take a picture of it. So not only do I have the picture, but then I'll have chatgpt give me, you know, details about it and give me the important parts of it. And so, you know, not only do I have the notes saved, it's kind of done the work for me just because I took a picture of it and it can understand it.

I have an AI listening to you right now. It's called Limitless. It used to be called Rewind. And it's writing a transcript. As you're talking, your words are showing up on the screen. Right. And then after this calls over, it makes a summary and sends me some notes of the meeting. You know, you talked about this and talked about this, Right? And then I can search for it in a week. Like, what the hell was I talking to Brady about? You know?

No, it's those second level things that.

It helps me write my blog post because I copy the note, you know, like when I post this video and I'll just put the summary there, it's writing it. Right. While we're talking. It's crazy, I know.

And again, that's one of those things where, like, why would anybody not want that assistance?

Yeah.

And I. It's one of those things where like, if you said, how many people have an assistant doing that, A human assistant doing that? Yeah, somebody's got to do it. On these calls that are not using.

There'S a person doing that, you know, that's highly paid, that's running a machine to do that, but now the AI is listening. It's just like, yeah, yeah.

There's just so many opportunities. We'll understand it and accept it. Hopefully it won't be a hugely difficult battle to. To convert people.

Humans eventually get the utility right. It takes some time to see it, you know, and, and try it and get over their fears. And there's a lot of fears about this. Like you said, you know, oh, this stole the court reporter's job, you know.

I know, I know. Yeah.

But now I can do something new, right. And make a new kind of media. Right. You know, eventually I want to be in a vision pro. You can watch the note. Soon we're going to be doing this in 3D and having the thing, writing the notes and summarizing what we're saying and pulling out key facts. In fact, one little trick is you could that this will be up on YouTube. You can shove the whole YouTube video into an AI and it'll summarize it for you and tell you, oh, you know, these two yokels didn't really say anything or maybe you said something really important like 40 minutes into the interview, you know, you don't need to listen to the whole thing. Just go to minute 40 and here's the notes, you know, and put it out and put it on Instagram, you know.

Yeah. It's just unbelievable the amount of time and effort it can save.

And yeah.

You know, it, it allows people to. There, there will be a, a one or two person billion dollar company soon, you know, because they, a bunch figured.

Out how to leverage.

Yeah. Every, every job role can be filled by AI and, and you know, eventually that's what it will be and it'll be very, very strange to see some aspects of it.

Like this, this is why I was asking about the camera because I took a picture of my wife's Iranian soup. She's Iranian, right. And it said, oh, that's Osh soup. It gave me the Iranian name of it. It told me how to say the name. It told me what was in the soup. It told me the cultural relevance of the soup. It told me how to make the soup just from a little photo, right?

Yeah.

And, and you know, it's crazy how.

Long till your, your glasses are doing that so that information's automatically.

Yeah.

In your vision.

That's why as soon as you look at so important. Hey Siri, can you help me make, you know, pass this recipe over to Brady so he can make the soup?

Yeah.

See how stupid, how stupid Siri is. It's like it's trying to get involved but it's like, ah, not, it's not smart, you know, because it doesn't have a large language model underneath there. It's like it's old AI. Right. Hey, in a month we're going to see a new Siri and then the world's going to change again. And before that, we're going to get a new Google. Google Gemini is coming along, right. And Meta has new shit coming out. Oh, and Microsoft has a big conference in the next couple of weeks. They're coming out with a big new model with OpenAI. Right. So the world is about to change again. It's like, how do you keep up, man?

Exactly. Yeah.

Go to all the conferences. Hey, agents. Go to all those conferences and tell me what's the key thing that they were all showing.

I know. Yeah. As soon as we got past Covid and everything's back in person again, it's going to go back to virtual so that AIs can ingest everything that's happening.

And if not, you'll pay some dude in the front row to hold up his iPhone and record it on his iPhone so you can get the, the key facts, you know?

Yeah. It's just crazy. I, I really am excited to see what it's like in a year, what it's like in five years. I just think that we're, we're gonna look back at this time and be like, that was the beginning of some crazy stuff.

Yeah. What's next for in game and your app and where, what are you gonna, what are you gonna, what are you gonna be listening to at wwdc, you know, and, and in a month, you know, you got to build the new Siri into it or.

Yeah. There's just so many possibilities. And like I said earlier, I, I am very interested in things and that takes me on a path. But as of now, I think we're going to continue trying to build some unique blockchain type apps to further cement our hand in the blockchain world. And I just think that blockchain is inevitable. I think that there's qualities of it that just are needed, but it's got to get itself under control. All these scams and all these things are really slowing down the acceptance and adoption and rightfully so. I myself am like very hesitant to invest in any of it just because so many of them are scammed. But I think that it's.

My partner ran the biggest block block, the block bitcoin conference in Texas and he's, he's same, he's like, it's all scam, it's all scams. He says, he says other than bitcoin, stay away from all of them because they're just like a lot of scams. Right. But there is something there that even with the scams, you start Looking at it differently. It's like, oh, wait, wait, wait. You can sell virtual on a metaverse with a blockchain, with a, with a token right now. Oh, wait a second. That's a new business model for all the shit we're trying to build, right?

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, even NFTs and all these things, they're like, we're, we're at the entry level of what they're being used for. NFTs right now basically are just images. And that's hard to see the value in, for a lot of people, but the capabilities of them.

No, but if I sell you virtual costumes on a virtual metaverse, right, in my little costume shack that you came and visited, right? Am, Am I selling that with a Visa card or a token, right? And one of the guys who. I'm, I'm study, I'm. I'm studying this world and he's like, there's a lot of currencies around the world right there, you know, there's not just the American dollar. You're. You got your Japanese yen, you got your, what, right? German marks or Euros, and you don't want to build the code to handle all that, right? As a developer, just take a token, right? So there is something there. It's just you got to dig through all the scammies, speculation like, oh, buy my token today and, you know, you'll, you'll make some money kind of thing. No, there's a business model that's possible. It's just getting there. It's really hard because most people aren't yet quite there where they're buying virtual on a metaverse yet. Right?

Yeah, I agree. Yep. Yeah, it's got it.

It's coming. This is why you're gonna buy Zuckerberg's glasses or Tim Cook's classes, you know, because you're gonna be in a virtual metaverse soon, playing with your friends. You want to go and buy some new costumes for the party on Friday night, you know, you gotta go to Brady's Shack out on the metaverse and hand over some tokens.

Yeah, I think that's so fun. And, and I would love that. You know, I, Yeah, I would. I would be there all the time.

Yeah, it's coming, you know, and it's the. I call it Metaverse 2.0. It's photorealistic, it's AI driven, right? So all the work you're doing is going to fit right into it because you get people used to talking AI in some way to get, get, you know, all Sorts of stuff done. Well, that's how. That's how. That's how everything's going to work. Your classroom is going to work that way eventually. Your kitchen is going to work that way. You're.

I agree.

That way. Right. Your little costume shack on the metaverse is going to work that way. Right. Whatever. Gun. Gun store. You know, we're going to certainly have some gun stores in the metaverse. Oh, you want a new virtual gun to blow up your friends? You know this, right? Call of Duty. He's a big. Oh, yeah. You know, that's all coming to the metaverse soon. And the.

The.

Yeah, the future is gonna let you walk around the street shooting your friends virtually. Please. Not. Not with real. No lead. Pixel voxels. You shoot them with boxes. Volumetric pixels, you know. You know, you can make happen.

Yeah. And that's, I think, the kind of thing that has to happen. That's a. That's a much easier transition to be like, okay, you guys that have been playing this game for years and years, this is essentially the same thing as this metaverse. And your skins that you bought are essentially the same things as these NFTs and all these things. I think that's where. When you can make those connections to what people already understand and like and. And know, that's where you can start to like, making some mass understanding.

Yeah.

You know, you can say this is basically just this. You shouldn't be afraid of this because you've been doing it this whole time. You just didn't realize if you get.

Accepted to Y combine, that's what they do. They teach you how to do that. Right. Hey, instead of calling yourself the neural radiance field thing, say you're the, you know, the photoshop of the 3D world, you know?

Right.

Tie it back to something people know, you know?

Yeah. Yep. 100. Yep. Definitely. That's the way, in my opinion.

It's been fun talking to you. I could talk to you all day long. You're an interesting dude. Trying to. Trying to get this stuff I care about to normal everyday people, you know.

And I. I tremendously appreciate it. I have been a fan of yours since. And I'm definitely old enough to. When you were with Microsoft and all that. I was highly aware of you and it's just. I am very appreciative of you taking the time to talk with me. It's been fantastic.

Thanks. Where do I learn more about you?

You can find me on LinkedIn, Brady Lewis, or you can visit our website, gamegaim.AI. we're on Twitter. We're everywhere out there can find us everywhere. We also have.

What's Twitter?

Wait, wait, wait.

Elon Musson said, yelled in my ear. What's Twitter?

Yeah, I gotta get that vernacular change.

Yeah, we also wrote a book, Naming Police. You know. Ah, what's Twitter? You gotta call it x dot com.

Yeah, we have a book on Amazon called AI for newbies. Hit number one in six or seven different categories. So, so that's out there. And that, that follows along with our game app as well, so you can get some information there. But yeah, we're, we're out and about and always looking to chat, so that's smart. We're around.

Although the newbies, do they read books? I write books. I. I'm impressed. Do you think people actually read books?

Well, you know, I know the AIs read the books.

You know, give it to your AI. Hey, give Scovel's books to your AI. Or give Brady's book to your AI. He'll tell you all about it.

I, I think that books are still, still something right now anyway, but I think eventually you're just going to be able to chat with whatever book you want and we'll see. I don't know. Who knows?

Way to teach your AI something new, you know. Hey, hey, AI, you're. You need to get a little smarter. Here's a book.

Yeah, forget, you know, teaching yourself things. You're just going to teach your. Your AI.

Hey, you got to have your agents need to get a little stuff smarter, man. Give.

Why do I need to know anything? My AI agents know everything.

Yeah, exactly. That, that way I can sit on the couch and drink beer or whatever the I do, you know?

Yeah, yeah, Put those goggles on and watch a basketball game or something.

Yeah, exactly right. Have, have your AI agent read the, Read the next Harry Potter book or whatever.

You know, just give me the Cliff Notes. That's all I need.

Yeah, you just tell me the, Tell me the thing. You know, maybe, maybe it gets people interested in reading a book, right? Because maybe, maybe, maybe the AI, like the AI is writing this transcript to this call. Maybe it makes it sound so exciting that they actually watch the video.

You're right. There you go. And that's automatic marketing promotion for their book.

So there we go.

Start writing your book with the intention of AI summarizing it, I suppose.

Yeah, I actually am reading more books because. AI, because you can talk to your AI about the book.

Yeah, yeah. There's so many positives about AI.

Maybe you only have to read a chapter of it. Right? It tells you, hey, chapter three is really good.

First two chapters are a little slow. You really want to start at chapter three?

Just read chapter three. All the good shit's in chapter three. The rest of the book's bullshit. But chapter three is good.

Yeah. I mean, people are gonna have to start being cognizant of that because that's gonna happen.

I'm doing these videos for that reason. I don't care that I'm doing long ass, boring ass videos. Because you stick it in your AI. It' you listen to minute 59. There was some, some knowledge laid down, you know.

Absolutely, absolutely. Efficiency.

It's the way it is. The new world. Well, thanks for helping people get into the new world.

Same right back at you. You're. You're have a much bigger platform than I am and you're doing a great thing.

So I'm trying.

I appreciate it.

I got a few, a few hundred people listening.

Keep up the great work.

Thanks.