How A Small Group Got Fluoride Out Of Florida (And What’s Next)

Welcome to Integrative Medicine with Dr. Leland Stillman. This show is for men and women who are exhausted, inflamed, living with brain fog, gut, or skin issues, and who won't settle for answers like, "Your labs are normal," or, "Just take this pill." Here we focus on the root causes of disease and on what I call repair deficit, the gap between what your body needs for optimal health and performance and what it's actually getting. This podcast is not personal medical advice. It is education to help you ask better questions so you can make better decisions about your health. Thank you for joining us and welcome to today's episode. Hello everyone. Dr. Stillman here. Today I'm joined by my dear friend Justin Harvey. Justin and I met through, let's see, I went viral on Instagram and a doctor reached out to me and somehow he came up. I think it was that he'd reposted my video. And then I ended up moving to Orlando where he lives and we became friends and did some, some protests and et cetera together. And he's got such an interesting, interesting story. He— it's— how do I describe it? You almost punk elected officials in the most hilarious ways. I would call Justin and be like, hey, what's going on? He's like, I'm going to wave a sign that says the vaccine is the problem while Mayor Demings like drives back from the airport. It would be 6 o'clock in the morning and dark. It's just him and one or two other people. So that's how Justin— some of you have hobbies, some of you have, I don't know, indulgences, habits, bad habits you probably shouldn't be involved in. Justin, that's, that's how this guy rolls. So he was one of very few people who got the fluoride out of the water in Florida. And now he's leading the charge on flock cameras and data centers. So we're going to talk about all of it today. Justin, was that a good intro? Is there anything you want to add to that?

That was great. Honestly, I didn't expect you to say that, but it was perfect. You know, some people golf in the morning. Some people like gaming. I hang out in front of the mayor's neighborhood at 6 o'clock in the morning with a sign that says, "Don't fire our firefighters." So, so listen, I got to ask you, what's your favorite, your favorite piece of activism?

Like the one that makes you, made you, I got, I'm starting to tear up. I'm laughing so hard with all the memories we've got together. What's the thing you've done that makes you laugh the hardest?

Gosh, it would probably have to be one of the Deming's escapades. It might be the parade float where he was going to be in a parade float for the Gay Pride Festival, and I showed up with a megaphone and walked next to the parade float basically mocking him and repeating his false statements over and over through the megaphone, telling him to stop forcing the vaccine on us. And they couldn't do anything about it, and it was hilarious because I'm on public roadway. No one— people thought I was part of the parade. I'm like marching with a megaphone, and, uh, you know, he's trying to swat me away like with his hand, like, get outta here. And it was great. They even turned up Whitney Houston as loud as they could in the float to drown me out. But that was fun. You know, I told him in the, during my escapade, I said, listen, the nuisance will go away if you'll just stop trying to force a shot on our local employees. This isn't difficult, but I just like to find like creative ways to make noise and to apply public pressure. And heck, sometimes it can be fun.

You know, if you're listening to this, I'm like actually crying right now. I think that's so funny. But I have to say, I think though, I think, At least runner-up has to be the elephant inflatable. Tell everyone about that.

Yeah, so we were getting ignored by that same mayor and his board over the COVID mandates, the masks, the vaccine, and we kept going in there and they wouldn't listen. You know, we'd give this passionate 3-minute speech about medical freedom and they'd say, next speaker, please. So I'm like, well, let's take this to the next level. So they didn't want to address the elephant in the room, which was the shot. So we, I brought, We fundraised. I don't ever raise money for too much, but this was a special project and we raised like over $1,000 for this 6-foot, I don't know, inflatable elephant that I don't know typically goes outside of a flea market. I don't know where you would see this thing. And we just put vaccine injury on the side of it. Then I set it outside of his office and outside the building. And I told him after our speech, I said, that elephant's going to be out there all day. Please come out and address the elephant in the room. And I even took a small baby elephant. In the, in the meeting because I couldn't get the big one in there. So, and that, you know, while funny, it garners the media attention and now the media is like, oh wow, we could take a picture of this elephant and put it in the article.

We can—

it just creates more of a stink that we were trying to create.

And even though you post about the most controversial, censorable, algorithm-punishable things like nonstop, there's no, there's no posts from this guy on Instagram. And if you— what's your Instagram handle?

Justin_WeAreChange.

Yeah. There's nothing from Justin that's coming out that's, that's like friendly to the algorithm.

That's true.

It's just nonstop, like straight on, like any of this content, if, if Justin was like, hey man, got banned yesterday, I'd be like, well, about time.

Shocker.

And yet despite that, people are loving your content. They share it. You're what, how many followers you on?

I'm actually about to break 50 on Instagram. 50,000.

Yeah. And you know, doing that with the kind of content you post is like winning a marathon with a boat anchor tied around your feet. So well done anyway.

Thank you.

Let's get into it. You know, I helped a little bit, but I think, you know, if I was going to credit anybody with getting fluoride out of the water in Florida, it's hard to think of anyone who did more than you.

Yeah. And a big shout out to Stand for Health Freedom too, because that was who I worked hand in hand with. And they were like the— Scott and Jill Kiley Bailey, they had already gotten the ball rolling. You know, they were getting fluoride taken out of the water in Collier County and Lee County down there, I think, before the federal lawsuit, before our Surgeon General stepped Uh, before we really got rolling, they had already done that. So it was great to team up with them to get it done.

Yeah, I chipped in and wrote some letters. I remember trying to get to the city council meeting and they were like, it's 3 o'clock on a Thursday. Are you available? I'm like, no, I have a job. Who are you people? Like, no, I don't have, no.

Sometimes they're at 9 AM.

Ugh.

Like you gotta either have it very early at 7 or, or at 6 PM, I think, because you, you are, you're excluding. And then the, the council members have the nerve sometimes to be like, Well, you know, we brought this up last week, only 2 people showed up. It's like, dude, it's 9 o'clock on a Tuesday.

Yeah. Eggs are $8 a dozen. I gotta go work so I can buy food.

Exactly, man.

Okay. So how did it all start? And, and did you ever, like, did you ever have a moment when you were like, we're gonna get the floor out and we're just gonna go all in on this?

Yeah. Well, funny enough, I had that thought once in like, I don't know, 2014 and it just fell absolutely flat. Couple of us went and spoke in Orlando. We're like, well, we're not really experienced in this. They're not listening. We didn't know what to do. Mm-hmm. We were still new. Then fast forward like 10 years later, you have a federal lawsuit come down deeming that fluoride does indeed lower IQ of children, something we had been screaming from the rooftops, but now it was sort of confirmed in an official capacity. We saw that, and then we saw our Surgeon General, who's friendly with the COVID policies, like, so we have this lawsuit and we have this Surgeon General, we have a real opportunity here to crack this fluoride thing back open. So, uh, as soon as I saw, I think it was Winterhaven, removed fluoride, and our Surgeon General made a big statement about it. It was like, drop everything. I know how to recognize some, you know, activism momentum now. And I said, we've got to just jump all over this. And that was the linchpin. It was like, hey, here's proof that fluoride lowers IQ. Still forced medication, whether it does or not. And we just took those talking points in a post-COVID world where people were more friendly to forced experiments, forced medication. And I think we just had that light bulb go off.

Wait a minute, you mean more hostile to forced medications and experiments?

Correct. Yes, that's what I mean.

Yeah, more friendly to the idea that they were, they were wrong.

Yes, good clarification, because that could be dangerous.

Yeah, just making sure everyone understands.

Yeah, so that was, um, our saving grace was like, you know, we got RFK talking about it, we got Surgeon General Ladapo talking about it, we've got the lawsuit, we've got people, you know, waking up to more things in this world. It was just, it was a perfect storm. So, uh, we ended up knocking it out of 20+ cities and counties. If one didn't listen, we moved over to the other one, and eventually the state stepped in and statewide ban, and we've been fluoride-free for one full year now as of July 1st.

And I think I recall correctly being at least a little bit involved in this, that I saw sort of here and there practitioners, dentists, doctors, PAs, NPs coming out and saying, yes, we support this, writing letters in support of it. I don't know how much that, that mattered, but I mean, you know, I think you mentioned this at least obliquely, but it really didn't take that, that many people. I have to admit, I was actually quite surprised. I was surprised by Latipo's— Latipo's— I was surprised by his appointment in the first place. I was pleased, but I was surprised. I can't help but think about the way that the Soviet Union crumbled. One day it's the Soviet Union, it's been around for 70-something years, the next day it's just gone. And so I think people— I see a lot of doom on social media, a lot. I hear a lot of negativity from people, and I see the reason why they feel that way. But at the end of the day, it's like a handful of people in relative terms got the fluoride out of the water in Florida. So if we did the same thing with Flock, data centers, chemtrails, and geoengineering, engineering. Well, why would those not yield to this in the same way?

Exactly.

So walk us through it. You mean, I mean, you gave us sort of the general overview, but like really, if you would, can you give us the play-by-play? And then hope people understand why I'm asking this. I want you to hear Justin's story and I want you to play it in your brain. Like, what would this look like for me to do it? Because all we need is a few of you listening to this to actually do it. And we can do this in Texas. We can do it at Idaho. We can do it anywhere.

Yeah. And that was the goal in the end was to hopefully create a template for the other states to pick up and do what we did without having to reinvent the wheel. It was really simple as sending an email to your local city council. Hey, we should take the fluoride out of the water. Here are my reasons why. If they don't respond, send another one in a week or in a couple days. They do respond, maybe you get a meeting. You basically just take— you go for the low-hanging fruit. You got one council member that's like, oh yeah, I'm willing to meet with you on this. You go in, you educate them. If I've learned one thing, it's that most of them are totally unaware about all these topics. They're just a lawyer that became a city council member. You know, a mom that became one. They don't know where the fluoride comes from. They don't know that they're genetically engineering bugs. So when you go in and I've learned it's not so much, oh my gosh, you're evil, you've been poisoning us, you must stop now. It's, hey, did you know XYZ? And they go, holy cow, no. You present it to them. And if you do it in the correct way, they should listen. But the key was persistence, confidence, creativity. If you keep hammering them, they're going to go, man, I got 3 emails this week about fluoride. There were 6 people at the public meeting. 'Guess we should put this on the agenda.' It's really all it takes because they've got to multiply that out. They go, 'If 3 people called and 6 showed up at the meeting, that means there's exponentially more out there that agree with these people. They just don't have the time or the courage to show up or make the call.' So once I realized you just got to learn what makes a couple council members tick— this one's friendly to medical freedom, that's the one that will put it on the agenda— then you go start speaking. You've really only got to get 3 out of 5 people. Most councils are 5, some are 7, some are 3. You've really only got to get 3 out of 5 to, to agree with this basic premise that forced medication is wrong. So you get your facts, you present yourself well, you remain persistent, and after a couple phone calls and meetings, you've kind of learned the system of who calls the shots at the city, how to sort of work them. And, and that's really all it took. And, uh, you know, we just kept replicating that city by city, county to county.

I love it. So you would send a few emails, follow up, educate. To what degree did you organize people to go with you to these meetings? And how would you do that? Would you do it email, text? Cell phone. Yeah.

So I utilize my little bit of a following I have on my platforms and would alert people. I'd make a schedule, I'd make a map of the state. Here's who's removed fluoride, who hasn't. This is what time the next meeting is. I've learned that a lot of times in whatever industry you are, whatever life experience, if you make someone's job a little bit easier, everything goes smoother. Whether it's the cop pulling you over or the, you know, somebody, you can always just sort of help them along the way to make the situation easier. I would provide so much detailed information to the city council member and they'd probably go, gosh, don't even have to ask staff for an update. This guy just told me who's banned it, who who hasn't, why they're doing it. He linked some articles. It's like a perfect little package. Not me ranting, but a perfect educational package for them. And that they could— they'd actually appreciate it and be like, oh wow, you know, could you send me some more? They'd start asking questions. I would have council members call me from other cities. Oh yeah, we heard you guys were successful in Tavares. Can you help us in Clearwater? It's responding to people on Twitter and Facebook. What about Escambia County? They've got a meeting next week, Tuesday. Here's where to be. Here's the emails to— all you gotta do is send one email. If I would just take one extra step, maybe a little tedious, and send them the actual email addresses and the date and time of the meeting, you'd be amazed at how much more likely people are to pull the trigger. But when they've gotta stop their busy day with their kids and their job and they've gotta look up the meeting, they don't even know what website it is, they don't know who the councilors are. Right. If I give them just a little bit more and say, here's what you say and who you say it to, they send it. Now the council's like, oh crap. 12 people emailed me this week. Let's put it on the agenda. So it's just like a little avalanche you want to start, and then it will, it will grow from there.

And then you just keep doing that over and over and over again until you get what you want.

And then once it builds, you've got 6 cities. Now it's like every speech I give is, hey, this is bad. And Lake County, Orange County, Seminole County, Lake County, Polk County did it. Hello, Volusia County. Are you going to be the last one? So then it's like they see the writing on the wall.

Are you going to be last?

And, and the, if there's one language that all these people speak, it's reelection. So if they see all the residents showing up or they see all their neighbors doing it, they're gonna go, oh, well this isn't controversial. This isn't scary. This is clearly what everyone wants. I'm gonna get raked over the coals if I don't do it at this point. So you're almost forcing them just with public pressure to do the right thing.

Yeah. I love that. I love that. I can't help but wonder, you know, because you're not, I wouldn't describe you as partisan in your politics.

No, I've always been sort of like, Del describes it as politically homeless.

You know? You mean Del?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He always uses that phrase and I've like, that's exactly how I'd put it. I mean, I lean libertarian. I obviously advocate with mostly conservatives and libertarians, you know, it's just the way the cookie crumbles, but I agree with the Democrats on the—

Well, it's the way the cookies crumbled recently.

Yes.

Because if this was 10, 20 years ago, I mean, I remember, I mean, look at RFK Jr. Yep. Or he was the kind of guy showing up for this sort of thing before COVID you know?

Exactly.

And so I grew up in the environmental health, environmental medicine movement, and a lot of those people went full on climate change, COVID lockdowns, which was just so, you know, it's like we joke about it now. It's like, yeah, they're gonna have their, you know, totally unsafe, barely tested experimental medication this morning with their organic, non-GMO, cruelty-free, dairy-free, gluten-free, soy-free, cruelty-free, fair trade oatmeal. Oh yeah, of course, because that makes sense.

I know.

And they're gonna shriek about the corporations and how corrupt they are, and then they're gonna be like, no, but this one, we should pay for all the meds and there should be no liability. It's like, I think that's— that brings me back to talking about the Soviet Union before its collapse, because I don't think anyone actually supports this anymore. And I think that's part of why it actually didn't take that much to really topple the fluoride agenda in Florida. That's just my feeling. That's my suspicion. What do you think?

Yeah, I agree. And it's funny, the partisan thing you mentioned too, because we truly were marching with Democrats mostly against Monsanto, against— it was like, what was the joke I made? I said the Democrats were like, oh, Monsanto and Bill Gates bad, but Pfizer and Bill Gates good. It's like, wait, hold on. None of this makes any sense. Like Big Pharma, Big Food, these are all these behemoths that are corporate interests manipulating science and poisoning us. Why are we liking supporting one and not the other? But it's that team sports mentality. Like you said, they went for all in on COVID and climate change and bought those narratives. So it's been unfortunate to see us divided so much through COVID. But I will say I've got a bunch of encouragement lately. The data center and flock camera battle is completely nonpartisan. If there are 50 people showed up in Lakeland recently to speak against data centers, half were Democrat, half were Republican, with some independent libertarians scattered in there. It's truly like— because, you know, the left is like This is bad for the environment, and the right's worried about the privacy. The left is even actually caring about the privacy too. So it's truly like, uh, I don't know how they're gonna flip this one on us and make one side pro or anti, because we've really began as, uh, unified on this issue.

Absolutely. I'm really curious your perspective on this, because when you talk about this, I can't help but think about very traditional, but typically left-wing, kind of populist street-level organizing. I can't help but think about, you know, the tactics described by a guy like Saul Alinsky. And I think his tactics, to be clear, are in many respects very unethical. In some respects, just totally practical. And I think he's just pointing out the way that like street-level politics, local politics are played. I'm really curious what you think about the way you do, you know, in the context of like, did you just figure all this out on your own or did you like read Alinsky or did you read anybody else and like how they got things done on a political level, on the street level?

No, I think it was more so self-taught trial and error. You know, I watched other disenfranchised voters from like the Ron Paul movement sort of abandon it all and say, you know, we need to just go off-grid and vote libertarian or stay home and You know, end the wars and end the poisoning. And I just latched onto all that. I was like, I want to expose the big conspiracies, get our food back organic, you know, stop the lies to the media. That's what I was so focused on. And I'd say that watching people like Alex Jones, Luke Rudowsky, Derek Broz, you know, Ron Paul, Ben Swan, those were my inspirations. I was like, whoa, I was really mad about everything I discovered about how the world really worked and what they were doing to our food and our medicine. But seeing Luke and these people, whistleblowers and journalists, actually get the truth out to people, that encouraged me. And I said, well, that's what I want to do. So I just started filming protests. I started filming whistleblowers and interviewing them. My first speeches, public speeches, my first whistleblower interviews are probably very shaky. My handheld video camera, you know, but over time, just practice, you just get better. You know, now I still get nervous, but I can, you know, handle a city council speech like it's nothing. So it's mostly self-taught. And I think a passion to have no choice but to get involved. I remember the first March Against Monsanto. I was like, I'm never speaking in front of people in my entire life. And I showed up at the event. I'm like, I'm actually hosting this event. I'm going to have to say something. But the issue was important enough to me that I was like, okay, let me just go up here and thank everybody for coming and tell them how it's going to go. And then I'll just hurry up and be done. And then, you know, here we are today. It's just, I was forced into it, man. I was forced to learn.

Yeah, I think it's great. And I hope it encourages people to think, you know, I don't need formal training in this. I just need to show up and say my piece. I hope you'll share with us resources if you have them. One-sheets, you know, speaking points, like exactly what to say about these things. I know you have them, or I assume you, you have them. And I know that people like Florida Action Network have them. And so I want people to know, you know, you don't need to just show up and ad lib it. I don't recommend that at all. And we can get you resources if you want them. We'll link whatever we've got in the show notes. And honestly, at this point, at this point, you can probably just Google them or use your favorite large language model and see if it sends you the wrong direction. I'm really curious how AI is going to be used to misdirect people. I see it a lot.

Already is. It seems like— I've caught it lying to me multiple times.

Oh yeah. And that's why when people come to me and they're like, I was, you know, basically asking my AI, whatever, for health. And I'm just like, yeah, totally get it. But it's either pulling totally mainstream nonsense or it's pulling like very mainstream sort of integrative alternative stuff, which also is very flawed and very driven by like a certain profit narrative and model. So I haven't seen anybody come to me with a really great care plan from their AI yet, but, and we're working on a Dr. Stillman AI, which I think is going to be great, but that's again, a story for another day. And I guess it is related and maybe that's the right segue. So you said that you think now that the battle is about Flock cameras and AI data centers. Give us the brief, like, I know a little bit about these things and I'll share my thoughts as we go, but just imagine like we're talking to somebody who's never heard of Flock and never heard of an AI data center. Why are these things problematic and why should I bother? Paying attention to them.

Yeah, so I'll start with the data centers. There's a good clarification to make because there are hundreds of data centers already across the country. They are small. They're the size of an office building. They're not making that crazy humming sound that the large ones are. They're not using up all the energy consumption. But what they're trying to build in Florida, which we don't have any yet, is these hyperscale or large-scale data centers. We're talking a thousand-acre property, 15 million square feet potentially of building space.

How, how big is that? Is that—

it's like the size of a small city or like the largest college campus in the country.

Wow.

So just imagine like a very large college campus and all of it being massive buildings that are running generators and AC systems to keep cool these servers that are housing data, cloud computing, AI. They're claiming that it's gotta process all this information for us to use AI. And as it scales, we need more of these places.

So I can only imagine that's like a— but you mentioned like the largest college and I can only imagine that's like a giant Texas or California university. University, you know, with like 10, 20, 30, 40, 50,000 students. So it really is a small city.

Yeah, it really is. And so you got to think of what kind of strain that would do to the energy grid. You know, the tonal noise is what the experts are calling it, this 24/7 low-frequency hum that it produces all day long because it's got to cool this place. And all the residents and animals nearby are probably getting tinnitus and unable to sleep. And we don't know what the long-term effects of these massive facilities are.

I'll fill in that gap. We know that they will create premature morbidity and mortality. People will die and get sick younger and it will be worse. This is just like, you know, chapter 85 in the history of environmental medicine. Here's what will happen. The people who want to make it happen will say, oh, we don't know. We don't know. We've never done this before. We have to do it in order to know what it will do, right? No. Then they will do it. We will then document it. They will dispute it. I say this cynically, but well, this is just the reality of it, even if it sounds cynical. I say that the epidemiologists confirm that things are bad for us when the bodies are stacked so high and so deep that nobody can pretend they're not there. Like, millions of people died from smoking. Maybe it was tens of millions, maybe it was hundreds of millions. I don't know. You know, I don't know how many hundreds of millions of people are dying from EMF exposure, phthalates, fluoride, whatever. At the end of the day, these things are rarely— they don't kill people like bullets do. You know, there's a single bullet wound, you know, entry, where's the bullet, okay, this is how the person died, right? These things are additive. So you add hyper— there's also a type of this is called infrasound. So infrasound, you don't even hear.

Yeah. That's what they talk about with these things.

Yeah. And so in addition to these, the infrasound, which still has an effect on your biology, you'll also potentially get sound that you can hear all day, every day. And it's also not just data centers. I mean, like solar farms, whatever, any kind of big industrial activity is going to have something. So that has a real effect on people. And then you add to that the contamination of water, contamination of air, chemtrails, nutrient-poor food, you know, it just, it adds up.

Up.

So anyway, my point with that is like, of course they're going to say we don't know, right? But you'd be a fool to trust them to do the experiment and then find out, because you might become part of the scary statistic that other people learn from, and we wouldn't want that.

Exactly.

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And that's such a major concern. And those are the questions we have, these unintended consequences of these places. You know, they basically have— what was it, the one they got approved in Fort Meade, but other places are blocking them? You know, and this is a place that's going to produce, what, a couple dozen jobs? There's really no benefit we're bringing to the community, just going to destroy what patch of old wild Florida you have left in your county for this massive facility, which I'm even hearing could be outdated in 5 to 10 years, which— so they'll be what, just abandoned? And the city's not going to pay to gut that and redevelop it. It's going to be stuck there until some other massive behemoth wants to come and put a phosphate mine or something else that was going to poison us. So they're bad news. We also don't know what they're for. Are they spying on us? Are these the things housing all the data from the flock cameras? We really don't know. So we just have been trying to advocate against them because they are just another piece of that surveillance grid. As far as the flock cameras, they are small cameras going up on a little stick on your easement, right-of-way, public roadways, outside your neighborhoods, outside your parks, your schools, by a private company. Private companies have come in and basically convinced your local police force, hey, we'll pay for it and we're going to put these little cameras up, and it's automatic license plate readers. They're just going to read license plates. We're going to help you catch stolen cars and missing kids, and it's free. Sure, sign us up. They're literally surveilling us 24/7. There's been over 100 cases of people being wrongly accused through Flock technology. So the police officer shows up at your door, shows you a picture of your car, accuses you of going in a neighborhood too many times in a day, and that some house got robbed and you're the suspect. You've got to spend weeks defending yourself, getting a lawyer, proving your innocence, because you've already been deemed guilty by the AI robot camera system. That's the world we're walking in. That is what's happening all over the country. You can go to deflock.org to look up the map showing where they're at in every city. You've got to do the same thing we did with fluoride. Got to go into our local city councils and county commissions, tell them no data centers, no flock cameras, deny the data centers and cancel the flock contracts. There is no amount of perceived security that is worth risking what little liberty we have left, and we don't need mass surveillance on every street corner ripe for abuse. The creepy cop is going to stalk his ex-wife, the weird guy is going to watch the kids' playground. It's not something we want, and again, it's just not worth losing our privacy. So these are two things we need to fight against.

So I have to get your thoughts on, I think, the most common objections these things. So number one, I'm a small business owner or I'm just a regular employee, professional, or I'm just a regular person. I'm really enjoying using AI because it gives me answers quickly and I can do things like, you know, I just, I can find things faster and I can do things faster online than I used to. Don't I need data centers in order to do that?

So we've had, we've got AI. I can use it right now. I can pull it right up. And we have no data centers in Florida. In plenty of states, we don't have them, not the massive ones. So if they want to build small ones, that aren't a detriment to the environment. If they want to put them so far away from anything, but that's too expensive. They want it close to the town, close to the transmission lines. If they want to put it out in the ocean, they find a way to cool it with ocean water. If we can show me a safe and effective vaccine, show me a safe and effective data center, a safe and effective GMO mosquito, and I'm on board. But if we can't prove that they're safe and effective and necessary, the risk is too high. So I'm good with the AI we cut it off here. We can just go ahead and plateau and we can have our small data centers, but to just keep building and keep going, that is the argument I hear. Well, you made this post against data centers with a data center. No, I didn't. We don't have any in Florida and I'm good if we can keep it that way.

So, yeah, got it. Next question. So I heard, listened to a very interesting interview, it was Tucker Carlson, Kevin O'Leary, uh, and it's one of the only debates I've heard about data centers, which I thought was really, like, I wish more people did debates.

I didn't listen to that.

Oh, it was so interesting because Kevin is really all in on a data center he wants to build in Utah, and he's got this whole thing where it's like, it's going to be clean energy. It's going to be lots of local jobs. We're not going to pollute the environment. He is all in on, I'm going to do it right. I'm just curious. What's your perspective on that? I mean, I know you haven't listened to the podcast interview, but you know, just that's kind of the bottom line of what his pitch was. What do you think about that? How do we do that? How do we say yes to that without it turning into a monster?

Yeah, that's a really tough one. I think it is a nuanced approach because like some people I've said, a lot of the free market guys are like, oh, we can't just ban an industry. We don't want to just blanketly ban something forever. I mean, I agree. I don't necessarily agree with banning, blanketly banning GMOs, vaccines, data centers. But again, if you show me one that's safe and effective, till further notice, I don't want any of them. But if we can find a way to do it right on a smaller scale, and they're not part of a, you know, if its sole purpose is to violate my rights, then I do want to shut them all down. I don't want to find the right place to do it.

Of it.

So there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. I feel like it's just such an uncharted territory of the true purpose and the true impact that we're moving too fast. So I wouldn't agree with Kevin. When you—

yeah, when you say the true purpose, I'm curious if what, what you've heard or read, I suppose, about, you know, because their explanation is, oh, it's just AI for all of us, right?

I think that part goes into areas of speculation and where my conspiracy brain goes, and I don't know if everyone wants to go there, but I've seen enough that we are ruled by these occult magicians, satanic pedophiles, to put it bluntly. There's no telling what they could be doing. I don't want them accessing the underground military bases and creating FEMA camps, just to take it to the most extreme possibility. But anything in between that to the most mundane, just server room, we need to know. Because I don't know what they're doing. Are they trafficking children? Are they— it's just that we've discovered that there's so many lies about so many things and the true purpose of them that I just, I have my guard There's a lot of money going into this stuff when I'm pretty sure that a lot of it can be just be stored in the cloud now, right?

Well, I guess that to me, yeah, I totally agree with everything you just said. And I can't help but wonder what my listeners think. I think some of them probably who stumble into an episode like this are like, I thought that was, this was integrative medicine with Dr. Stillman. I thought he was going to teach me about how fluoride is going to make me sick and how I can get better from it. And it's like, well, you know, you also need to know about all this stuff. And if we don't take political action, then we're all going to, there's really no option. There's no, like, I would like to not be poisoned by all the things you're putting in my water and air and food. Thank you very much. Very much, right? So I do actually view that as a big part of the mission of the podcast for anyone who really wants to know why this is an episode here. But I also can't help but wonder, you know, I haven't seen, like you said, like a convincing explanation of like, for our AI to be better and to do more for you, it needs to be this much bigger. And I also haven't seen, you know, because they're like, oh, well, it's going to consume all of the water and it's going to consume or destroy all the air and it's going to ruin the environment and cause all these externalities, all this damage to other people. And I'm like, yeah,, but I'm paying hundreds of dollars a month max for like a big plan. And sure, you can go crazy with tokens and buy thousands of dollars of tokens and spend lots and lots of money. I get it. At the same time, like, there's gotta be a way to make this work with the market. So, you know, if you do things that need a hyperscaler AI data center, well, hopefully you make a lot of money to be able to pay for that. But, you know, the average person doesn't need a hyperscaler data center in order to find a better restaurant for their anniversary.

Right.

You just don't need that. So if you don't want it or you don't need it, like don't pay for it. Don't enjoy it. And that's where I think some of this is really getting into interesting territory with the water debate, because, you know, we've been blessed with an abundance of water, but as the population grows, water becomes, you know, more scarce and we have to manage it more carefully because it's becoming more scarce.

So that's right.

And I do think that's really important. You know, water is life in a lot of ways. So, and we use water therapeutically, of course, all the time in the practice. And so I care very much about keeping it clean and available for people.

You know, You know what, I think another thing that kind of affects us, and it's like a Florida thing, is that we are really just seeing so much overdevelopment and so many people moving here that I think the sentiment is also like, I don't care what it is or how much water it uses. I don't want to see 2,000 acres wiped out in Hernando County and developed. I mean, I don't care if you want to build an apartment building. I just, we're so like, we've got a really bad taste in our mouth right now with how much is being built and how much of wild Florida we're losing. That it's like, you better put that thing in the ocean or Maryland because it's not going here.

Poor Maryland. I'm pretty sure they're overdeveloped more than Florida.

That's where they act. I say that because they started building these things in Oregon and Massachusetts and up there because of the cool weather. You know, it's much harder to keep a data center, that size facility cool if it's down in Florida and the humidity, right?

That's why it's like, guys, I don't know if you know this, but most of northern Maine is deserted and same with like most of northern Minnesota. And like, have you heard of North Dakota? Almost no one lives there and it's really cold most of the year. Well, like you said, they don't want to pay for the power lines and the infrastructure and all that. They're like, well, look, we can just put it on I-75.

We're done.

Okay. Let's— so I think that's— is there anything about the AI data centers that we didn't talk about that you hear as an objection regularly?

The only other weird objection I get is this sort of, which I think it's like a propaganda campaign, is that they're claiming that anyone against the data centers are falling for Chinese propaganda. And we're being tricked so that we stop them and China beats us in the AI race. But in my opinion, no offense, but that's coming from like Fox News, you know, TV watchers, Trump voters that are just totally confused about the topic. And they're like, oh well, all activists are paid by opposition, so this must be a conspiracy to make China better. It's just the whole Russia-China thing is such a scapegoat. I think we all know who the real foreign country we need to watch out for is.

I have no idea how that'll go over with my Well, I did.

I mean, I'm very vague. I wasn't very specific, was I?

I think at this point everyone knows who you're talking about. I know. We're just going to publish it and see what happens. We got to bring it back to data centers. On that note, actually, so Kevin O'Leary, Kevin O'Leary does bring this up. He says, look, if China wins the AI race and they're certainly not going to have any compunctions about the environment or like people's health. Oh no. You know, they don't care about that. His argument is if they win that race, we lose. And not just us, but like the whole West arguably loses parity on the battlefield. And, you know, I do understand that concern. I also think we should probably have new management before we give them yet more tools to kill and oppress.

That's a great way to put that. Yeah. We need new management first, please.

Yeah. So if you're worried about China beating us in the AI race, it's like, are you worried about the right oligarchic bunch of tyrants? I don't know.

I put it this way sometimes, because I really get kind of frustrated with like the whole China, Russia, Iran boogeyman thing. None of those countries have ever, you know, taken away my rights or fired journalists for telling the truth or tried to force a COVID shot on me or poison my water with fluoride. I mean, so the whole like space race and the AI race against the foreign country, I think it's all just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. There's ulterior motives at play there. And I think that as long as they keep us distracted with like another boogeyman enemy country, then we don't ever unite against them. Against the enemy that has taken over inside here in our country.

Yeah. I mean, I can't argue with that. Yeah. In the end, I think here's what I would say is get involved locally because at the end of the day, here's what I would say about data centers, right? We have to do it in a way where if they start to create damage, then people have recourse because if it's just, oh, the town sold its rights to the water and the air and all the rest of it, and the company has immunity against everything. Well, you know, you just destroyed everyone's property value. You destroyed the community, you destroyed people's health, and they have no recourse. I think if there's anything I think people are disillusioned with at this point, you know, right now in American history, it's that there just seems to be no justice. You know, they print trillions of dollars, our eggs are now $8 a dozen, and no one even lost their job, you know. And well, you may not think we need perp walks and jail sentences, let alone more severe punishments that I think some people richly deserve. I mean, I hope people think like— I mean, I just don't know how you can be living in America right now and like going to the grocery store, being involved in society, and think everyone's doing a good job.

Everything's on the up They should all get reelected and reappointed, you know?

And so I think I'll leave it— we'll leave it there. So Flock, let's talk about Flock for a minute. Do they have any evidence that the benefits that they're aspiring to provide society are materializing?

You could make that argument, but how great is that benefit versus the risk? So have we caught a couple stolen cars? We located a missing dog. Is that worth being monitored 24/7? Is that worth a hacker being able to hack in and watch your child play on the playground? I don't think so. I think, like a lot of these things. You know, how long have we been getting groped at the airport? You could still have terrorism. Like, I don't think— you know, they've never caught one, the TSA. So we always lose our rights and we still have bad guys. And eventually, you know, I'm sure everybody's seen that meme where it's like the couple sitting in their home and there's like a surveillance camera, like 8 of them in their living room, and he looks over at his wife and he's like, well, at least we're safe from the terrorists, honey. And it's like, is that what it's gonna come to?

I have not seen that.

That is great. It's like a cartoon. It's like an old-school comic. It's not even like a meme. And, uh, it's just so telling because it's like, how much. Well, that one's just for safety. You know, we've got a camera on every stoplight in Orlando now. I'm sure most major cities do. So can you catch the stolen car with every stoplight? They're driving on roads, aren't they? How are they off-roading every time we get a stolen car? And if we care so much about catching cars and children, I mean, we don't even care about catching the Epstein clients. So I mean, the priorities seem so backwards.

It's like— I know, right?

Like you said, man, no justice, no Epstein justice, no COVID no inflation and gas price justice, none of this betrayal from our leaders. We have no accountability, but we want more cameras on you and your family. I think we should surveil the Flock people and the government more, not us. You know, there's a guy who took a camera and he started following around the Flock employees out of their business and out of their job. He says, how do you guys like this? And they're like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, just watching you, just keeping an eye on you. Do you feel safer or does this feel You know, and it's a great example, you know, it's like, that's something you would do if Flock was headquartered in Orlando.

You would be in front of that place.

Well, someone told me Palantir's in Miami, so maybe a road trip ahead. And by the way, if you want to protest the Flock camera, another thing to point out is you've got an interesting situation where the debate of like when violence or criminal activity comes into play, which I don't condone, but you're watching people tear down these Flock cameras. It was like a Fourth of July action where it said go out go out and in the name of freedom tear down a flock camera. People did it. Now, when you push a society to a point and you give them no recourse and their city won't listen and they're just going to constantly surveil them, people are going to take extreme measures. So what we need to do is go in and tell your city council, before we spy on any more people and wrongly accuse them and have kids come cut them down, let's just end the contract, you know. Let's focus on stopping crime but without taking away our rights. So if people want to go out and a correct protest the right way, just go get you a set of balloons from Publix. Just go stand in front of the flock camera with your balloons for a couple hours a day. They can't see anything and you're not damaging their property. So I may actually go do that with some people soon. It sounds like a fun action.

I love it.

Or, or you can make a little sign and hold it right in front of the flock camera and it says, 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual. It's a good book to read. No one gets the reference.

Anything we haven't covered today that people should know about or be aware of?

I don't think so. You know, as long as you're got a healthy gut, watch what you're putting in your body, healthy mind, vote with your dollars, vote with your attention, and take action locally. As coming from a guy who had no public speaking experience or anything, you know, a few emails and some city council speeches, and next thing you know, your neighbor or your friend wants to join you. You've got a little small army, then get the ball rolling in your town. You can reach out to me. We can give you pointers. I can be contacting your council members, also feeding them information. We can just start this thing. So all it takes is a couple people with a little dedication, a little bit of free time, and we can all work together to make our communities healthier and keep our privacy intact.

Yeah, you know, I'm glad you mentioned the keep our privacy intact piece because I really do think people— you know, the more I practice, the less it's about— not that it's not about— but it's the less it's about the biochemistry, the medications, supplements. It's about community, it's about mindset, it's about who we are, how we show up. You know, I can't— couldn't help but thinking while you were talking about crime and flock cameras and such. It's like if you'd said in like 1950s America, we need a camera on every street corner to prevent crime. Like my parents grew up, you didn't even lock your door. You would leave the house for prolonged periods of time and not lock your door. And it was because there was a high trust culture. And how did we have a high trust culture? People were properly nourished. There was economic opportunity. You didn't have to like go rob a liquor store in order to like feed your family, you know, let alone take out a second job or a home loan or HELOC or reverse mortgage or like any of the other financial instruments that have just appeared that like no one needed before, you know, and it's not like the real cost of anything has changed. You can buy a house for the same amount of gold now that you could 100 years ago. It's just that the dollar is being aggressively devalued. That's how I would describe it. And so I really think that the way back is to create cultures of strong trust and creating those cultures starts by being connected in your local community. It's one of the reasons why, generally speaking, when I like rep a product, like if I sell a product in our online store, it's because you probably can't get it locally. It probably is not on the store shelves. And it's why I haven't partnered with some, say, like a meat company, like buy meat a box every month or whatever. And the reason why is that I actually really care that people who listen to this and believe in the mission of helping people to be healthy and free, which is what I sort of view as what I want to do and what I hope they want in the world. You've got to like find your local rancher, buy your meat from them. You know, I texted my rancher the other day and I said, I actually want to sit down with her for coffee to talk about how we would expand our practice locally, because I really think that is the past and it's also the future. Because let's face it, no one is happy with this increasingly digital, disconnected world. They badly want community. They want people who are aligned with them, who share their values, who they can trust. They want accountability. I'm glad in so many respects there's such a, like, fervor for this now. I see people, like, really waking up to, oh, I really care about these things. These are values I may have been raised with or always learned about or heard about, but now I really see the value because I also see the consequences of what happens when I don't value them.

Does that make sense? It does. It's a really good point because it does go back to like community. More community involvement and cohesion would create way less crime, way less need or desire for surveillance. You know, it just, it really, it goes back a long way because you think about those, that locking your door thing still goes on in the rural communities of America. I can go to parts of Kentucky and you get to your grandma's house and they're like, oh, I'm like, the door's unlocked. And they're like, they don't lock the door. I'm like, oh, that's so bizarre to me.

Yeah.

But, uh, that's because, you know, and I think the loyalty of people being somewhere of like, if you've only been in a city for a couple years or a house for a couple years, or you're just renting or you're just passing through, you have less of a connection and desire to make the place better. Like I feel like fixing everything around Central Florida because I've been here my whole life. But if I move to Atlanta tomorrow, I'm just going to be in Atlanta. I'm just in Atlanta, you know? And I feel like so many people feel that way, especially in these large cities. You've got so many transient people and transplants that it's like, ah, well, I'm just, you know, here riding along using this place for what I need. So it's tough. We've got divided, you know, politics and social media. And just so many different factors, I think, that make up this basket that when people realize that just getting back to community would actually help our privacy, help our crime, just develop everything better, relationships.

I couldn't agree more. Justin, thanks for joining me. Where can people find you, find out more about you?

Active on social media, mostly with X and Instagram, Justin_WeAreChange. You can also find me on Facebook as Justin Robert. I use my middle name on there. And We Are Change Orlando is also on Rumble. You can see all my cataloged work and speeches there.

Love it. Thanks everyone for joining us. Justin, great to see you as always.

Thanks for having me.

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