Initiation to the Secrets of Cosmos - The Journey of the soul
7 Feb 2021 · 34 min
In this channeled podcast episode, host Sylvia Leifheit (Speaker A) converses with a spiritual entity described as a "friend of the Indians" (Speaker B) about the cosmological model of the soul’s evolution. The dialogue outlines a ten‑stage lifecycle that begins with a soul’s emergence from a Mother Soul, proceeds through contamination, realization, growing awareness, unconditional love, expansion, communication with higher spiritual planes, radiating love (illustrated with the example of Jesus), and culminates in a transcendent state that can no longer incarnate, eventually transforming back into a Mother Soul that creates new souls. The speakers discuss how Earth uniquely hosts souls at many stages, especially the early ones, and why higher‑stage souls are rare on this planet. They explore the role of suffering, interpreting the Christian cross as a warning about spiritual immobility, and contrast cosmic energy (which can grow and become conscious) with natural energy (e.g., thunderstorms) that lacks consciousness. The conversation emphasizes love and consciousness as the drivers of soul growth, the individuality of each soul emerging from a Mother Soul, and the tension between human systems of standardization and the cosmic principle of individualism. Practical advice is offered about maintaining distance from lower‑stage beings, focusing on concentration, and seeking direct communication with spiritual realms rather than relying solely on books or teachers.
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Dear human, dear soul, I welcome you to my podcast series Conversations with the Universe. Since a near-death experience, I have the gift to communicate with the subtle energies of the cosmos. This happens in a form of deep meditation in which I ask certain entities of the world beyond to communicate with me. As one of the first contacts with the other world, my old friend and teacher, friend of the Indians, showed himself to me, and it is now a great pleasure for me to introduce you to these conversations as a supplement to the books. Please excuse me if the terms and our articulations are not perfect. Our mother tongue is German, but we try to translate it to the best of our ability. Thank you for understanding. Dear friend of the Indians, we want to talk about the journey of the souls. Please let me know what you want to share about that.
The journey of the soul is a story that every soul has to experience. Like the seasons on Earth, every soul must pass through the different stages of its development.
Are you now referring to the journey of a soul inside a body, in other words, the lifetime of a body, or the lifetime of a soul in general, even when it's not inside a body?
You mistake the lifespan of a soul for the lifespan of a body. I'm talking about the lifespan of a soul, and by this I mean, of course, the immeasurable time that is at its disposal. But ultimately, I want to point out that every soul has to pass through several processes in order to unfold and to grow. That is why I will call it the lifespan of the soul.
Wouldn't it then be better to call it the season of the soul, the seasons of the soul?
That would be equally correct, but it suggests a far less complex sequence of events than the one that I am referring to. Seasons are relatively straightforward. The lifespan of a soul is almost impossible to describe because it is so multifaceted.
Okay, I understand that. Then please begin to describe the journey of the soul, at least as much as you are able to. What are the stages that every soul has to experience and pass through?
With pleasure. The soul begins its journey by emerging from the Mother Soul in an expanded and loving state. It then chooses to experience different lifetimes in a body, and there it begins to make mistakes. It is like a child that begins to discover the world of the cosmos. These mistakes can lead to contamination and so it has reached the first stage of its journey: contamination. The second stage is the realization of this contamination. Many times several lives are necessary to achieve this realization, and this can even accelerate the contamination. That means that the second stage is more or less one of the hardest to pass through, because here the energy becomes more and more contaminated and sinks into unawareness. But at the same time, this contamination will trigger the longing for a better state of being. The third stage of the journey of the soul is the growing awareness of our interconnectedness This awareness will accelerate the purification and give the soul strength once more. Then comes the fourth stage of unfolding, where the soul wishes to give love and support life without wanting anything in return. The highest stage of giving wishes to unfold. It is the love that is unconditional and not in any way tainted by memories of the ego. You need several lives to do this as a rule, because for this, the 5th stage of this development, you will need a lot of energy and devotion in order to gain these life-supporting and accelerating experiences. But ultimately this means expansion. The 6th stage of the journey of the soul is the communication with the other beings of the cosmos, those who exist on the spiritual planes, far removed from physical experience. Through this, the soul joins a transforming, life-generating, and at the same time expansive energy Its experience is no longer limited to the material planes but begins to sense and accept its expansion into the spiritual planes. Physical awareness begins to melt with spiritual awareness. Then the soul enters the next level of awareness, the 7th. There it begins to radiate love without experiencing a corresponding action or reaction. It just radiates and remains in this radiant energy. The being that you call Jesus had this energy. Its radiance was as powerful and all-loving as that. This is the kind of love that I mean. But unfortunately, it is not capable of maintaining a physical form for very long, because if you live like that, you will sow much ill-will and misunderstanding in the lower level of awareness. This will cause resonances that will no longer be able to protect the being that wishes to live this level of energy, at least not on the plane of physical matter. This form is already far removed from the form of physical life that you are, but I wish to mention it nevertheless. The 8th stage is the loving continuation of this energy but without a physical body. By then the soul has expanded its energy to such an extent that it could no longer even incarnate into a body, no matter which kind and on which planet. The energy would just be too vast and too highly elevated. At that stage, the energy will remain in the spiritual worlds and work from there. They work in a loving, luminous, powerful, and respectful connection to all beings on these planes and also the planes below them, such as the human beings. But their connection to them can only exist to the extent that the human beings allow it. You have already learned much about this subject.
Okay, and what comes after that?
The next step is the transformation of the energy into the pure, powerful energy of vastness and limitlessness. This is the preliminary stage to the Mother Soul that I have already mentioned to you. At the 10th stage, these energies, radiant in their limitlessness, choose to transform into Mother Souls, and in this stage of energy, they then choose to pass on their energy through sending out particles of themselves, which in turn will become new souls. This is the complete development of a soul. And if you wish, you can reach this state quickly, or you may wish to reach it slowly. Of course, the speed and the way in which it unfolds varies each time, but these are, in short, the stages of the soul. The journey of the soul, the lifespan of a soul. I know that these terms may be confusing to you in this context, but it will help you to expand your your thoughts and concepts to get a feeling for who you are and where you may wish to go. It is up to each and every one of you which steps you take on this path, as you well know.
Yes, I know. Are there planets on which only souls in certain stages of development incarnate, or are they all, like Earth, open to all stages?
You are preparing a very beautiful question, Sylvia Leifheitheit. I understand. If Earth were a normal planet, only souls in the 4th stage of development would incarnate here— beings that wish to help. But Earth is not a normal planet. Its energy is very special. As you know. This is why you find human beings in most stages of development here. But this fact also carries many problems with it. Each soul wishes to experience certain levels here because Earth, after all, provides the opportunity to do so. Therefore, the key to the growth of these many different levels of development is distance.
Distance?
Yes, the distance to one another. The higher stages of energy live in the awareness of connection. They do not need to be connected to each other on a daily basis anymore, and they need to protect themselves from the unenlightened actions committed by those in the lower stages of development. That is understandable.
You mean from the unenlightened actions? Yes, of course, this is understandable, but it is difficult when you are at the beginning of your life journey, swimming in the very table ocean of information, and the first thing you are taught is the loving devotion to other people. Maybe It is then a sort of homework for you to realize that in the stage that you are in at this time, it is not the right way after all.
This is the chance that we are given in this book, dearest. The people must not just teach what they know. They have to teach what the other worlds want to impart, because both teachings together will have a more multifaceted and intense impact than the human teaching alone. You yourself have started your own path after you stopped reading about it, but you are a representative of the communication of the 6th stage, and therefore you no longer need books. However, the people from the first stage and all other stages up to the sixth stage do need support. Books and teachers will provide this support, but I would like to ask all of you, you develop the willingness to seek communication with the spiritual worlds, for it is there that you will find the answers that will help you along on your path, not in books, or through teachers. They are your companions, but they will never be able to give you the final answer. Only you yourselves can do this, but you will be able to do this better with our support.
Okay, you have said this very well, but what I wanted to know was whether there is just one specific stage that incarnates on other planets or whether there is a mixture there as well?
That varies. Normally, there are fewer stages there. For this variety here on Earth causes a lot of suffering, and there are few planets that have as much suffering as you have. But let us not look at other planets. Let us remain here on Earth and with the human beings.
Yes, of course. But I wanted to get a feel for what exactly life on Earth really means and what its opportunities are. Another question that comes to my mind is, in this context, is whether I sense this correctly, that most of the soul groups here on Earth are currently in the first stage, or perhaps in the first And second stage, right?
Right, you have described this correctly. Earth is incredibly full of these first two groups.
Is there a reason? Do you know why this is the case?
No, I do not know. Maybe it is the passion that you feel when you love that you wish to experience. It may be the beauty of this planet. But there are also other very beautiful planets. We will not find the answer to this. Maybe you should ask the cosmic Father.
Since we are talking about these definitions, please tell me if you can how many souls from the respective stages are currently here on Earth?
The souls at stage 1 are the most frequent. Also, you find many souls in Stage 4 as helpers in helping regions. Wherever there are people who help to alleviate suffering, Stage 4 is in evidence. Stage 5 does not operate much on Earth, but the 6th stage has come representatives such as yourself in some countries. There, communication with the spiritual worlds is being taught in an effective and respectful manner. You know that the country that you call Brazil supports people that are thus gifted.
Yes.
There, for instance, you will find communicative soul groups. You could stay there yourself, but it is not necessary. But there are many people in this stage of development on Earth, but unfortunately not everywhere on Earth. It is not enough to focus on just one country. We hope that the people here will seek more communication through books such as this one.
And what about the 7th stage, the stage that Jesus was in?
There are no souls of this type incarnated on Earth. At this time. You have treated this being that wanted to create this type of energy here on Earth very unwisely. But I will talk more about this another time.
Stages 8 to 10 are not represented here anyway, right?
Exactly.
You have explained this very well. Would you like to add something else?
We have captured The essential. You could stop here.
Well, then I have another question since you have just touched upon the subject again. It is about Jesus. We have learned in the chapter on suffering that it is very important to you to point out that suffering should not be viewed as a major aspect of life, but rather as a result of spiritual immobility that we need to overcome. What about the image that Jesus gave to the world and that the people worship to this day, which is exclusively one of suffering? And they do worship it. What can you tell me about the subject of suffering in connection with the stages of the development of the souls?
That is an important question, dearest, and I'm very grateful that you have asked it here. The process of suffering that Jesus' soul had to go through was really sad. Even for spiritual beings like us, this realization was very, very sad.
Which realization?
That the spiritual immobility of the people is so strong and life-threatening that even such loving impulses as the ones that this soul brought into the world were treated like that. This image you worship and pray to is not an image of love. It is an image of caution and a warning to all those who wish to teach love and joy. If you wanted to put the work of Jesus on earth into words, They would read: Dear human beings, if you want to fight for love, devotion, and respect, you will need a lot of protection. Work in your cottages, work behind closed doors, keep a very low profile, and maintain a large distance to each other. And please, Never go among the unlightened multitude.
Unenlightened.
Unenlightened. The impulses that you wish to give will advance humankind even without you preaching before them, even without any obvious action on your part. It will suffice to impart your loving. Special messages hidden from public view.
I understand that, dear friend of the Indians. So the cross that the people pray to is really a warning to do all the things you have just mentioned, and it also expresses the sad realization that humanity can be extremely cruel, right?
Right. Since then, no being of the seventh stage has come to Earth. And I cannot see this happening in the near future. The number of unenlightened people here is just too vast.
And hence the danger.
Exactly. The immobility of the first stage presents a great danger to all those less willing to suffer pain. Therefore, incarnation represents a journey into the unknown. As you would say.
You are becoming downright creative.
I've always been, dearest.
Yes, I understand, and I know exactly what you are talking about when you mention protection. It is torture. If someone wants to be spiritual and work in connection with you while having to exist, work, and persist in the world of matter, this is a real task. I know what I am talking about. I have to practice this again and again each day.
I know this, dearest, but as you are experiencing, it can be done.
Yes.
The crucial experience is keeping your distance.
Well, then we have said it all, haven't we?
This was a rough outline of the journey of the soul. This in itself would be material enough to fill many books, but we can do this some other time.
The funny thing is that I called my first novel "Jah-wah: A Soul's Journey Through Time," probably because a soul's journey is not limited to just one life.
I know that, and I am happy if this book accompanies the people on their journey and conveys the idea of the interconnectedness of all things to them. The limitless interconnection of all things. The actions that you take, the thoughts that you live, the connections that you establish, all this will last eternally until you create balance and purify what has become contaminated. All this will always be possible. The concept of finite does not exist in the cosmos, except in your body. This is the only finite thing that you possess.
This is really quite a hopeful thought to know that even if you make mistakes, there's always the chance that you can correct them. That is basically nice, isn't it?
It is. This is why I keep telling you to live your joy. There is no reason to be sad. The people can experience joy and do a lot of good for the cosmos, for themselves, and their soul that way. But if they do not know this—
Well, we are trying to change that.
Yes, we try. Not long now and the people will read and pass on your messages.
May I briefly correct you here? And point out that these are not mine but your messages.
You know what I mean. You are the channel that makes this possible.
Well, I have another question about the energy potential on this journey. How does this happen that the energy that emerges from the Source can transform and grow to such an extent that it will be ultimately become a Mother Soul? In our schools they teach us that the total amount of energy always remains the same.
You have grasped this very well. Indeed, you cannot understand this concept, concept with your human mind, because for you energy is a functional quantity that cannot grow in and out of itself. Cosmic energy, however, is a quantity that can grow out of itself. Just like the flowers in your world.
So this means that cosmic energy, and hence our souls, have the potential to grow infinitely big and strong, and our consciousness serves as the trigger, or how does this work?
It is the awareness of this energy and the love that directs this energy. These are the Cosmic Father and the Cosmic Mother, which are the forces of movement and growth.
But consciousness is that part inside of our soul that gives us free will and makes a decision to grow, and love is an energy that exists outside of us but has to be experienced inside of us, or did I misunderstand that?
The love that surrounds you will become part of your energy, of your soul, through your conscious awareness of it. Both melt, and so the energy that was just an individual soul is connected to everything and feels connected to everything. These two components make you feel the cosmos as limitless and endless as all that is, but from your own center and in your own individual energy. Wow!
This means that the energy stays separate and self-aware, but by melding with the power of love, it thinks that it is limitness— limitless.
Energy does not think that it is limitless, my dear. It feels limitless.
There is a limit to my power of imagination. We have the delineal— delineations of our body which describe the limits of our physical senses. But what are the limits of the souls since they will ultimately be Solved. How can energy define itself even though it feels limitless?
It does so through its power, through its power potential, like a form that is made up out of a certain power. You understand?
Hmm, I'm trying to imagine this through colors. There is an energy which says the color red. Then it connects— no, it collects experience and turns into yellow, and then it travels on and on, and let's say it turns white. And through all these individual experiences and the resulting color changes, it is still aware of its own power, even though it can feel the cosmos over more, ever more strongly. Is that correct? You could say that its color become the energy, that it is white, that its white state fills the whole cosmos, but it is still self-aware as a part of the whole energy, right? It perceives both of these states.
Yes, and you are quite close when it comes to color. The energies that work here are indeed colorful.
But when you have no eyes to see, you can't— how can you perceive color?
I will explain that in another book when we talk about the spiritual worlds.
Okay, so what I understood is that energy has consciousness, and on the path of attaining self-awareness, It experiences the awareness of the cosmos through the love that it accumulates.
Yes, that is the essence of it.
Cool. What about energy generated by machines? Does this have consciousness also? How is it different from cosmic energy?
Your machines can only create energy from the existing components of your nature. Hence, they do not create true cosmic energy. This energy cannot develop consciousness because it is strictly natural energy and not a cosmic energy.
What, for example, would be a natural energy?
The energy that you know as a thunderstorm is completely natural and has no consciousness whatsoever. This energy may change from one state of being into another, but it always remains part of this nature.
Ah, you mean to say that the cosmos is another nature?
The nature of your world lives in your forms. There are different forms and different worlds in the cosmos that function completely differently.
This means that the energy here, this nature here, can only work here?
Yes, exactly.
Would you like to add something, anything to that? No. Then I have another question from another perspective: Do all souls have the same energy potential when they emerge from the mother soul, or are they different and individual from the beginning?
The souls that emerge from a Mother Soul are all individual forms. That means that no soul is like another.
Ah, I thought that they all had the same amount of potential from the start and that it is their personal responsibility what they make of it.
That cannot be, because a soul is more than just energy. It has consciousness, and if you have consciousness, you will develop a form. The Mother Soul has consciousness also, and it produces the souls. Therefore, each soul, just like in your world, is all of that also, but never exactly like the others.
Then the cosmos is a totally individual system that only produces Individuals, and not like mankind, set forms.
You have seen that correctly. This is why an individual form is more harmonious from a cosmic point of view.
But that would mean that a structure that does not support individualism is disharmonic from a cosmic point of view.
That is correct.
Well, great! And we live in a world that is full of schematics and standardized systems.
This is human law, not cosmic law.
So the journey of the soul describes the path of growing of an energy that has always existed but needs to unfold through experience.
The journey of the soul describes enhancement of this energy through the power of love that did not exist in it before. This is difficult to describe, but when a soul leaves the Mother Soul, it is an individual, yet an empty vessel as far as the awareness of love is concerned. This awareness has to grow and take form, and true love needs to be experienced in the cosmos. This entails the need for the soul to expand. Then it will recognize this abundance and it itself will develop in a motherly energy.
So this journey is all about love?
In a nutshell, yes.
Wow! What is the next subject that you wish to talk, to teach us now?
Concentration.
Okay, thank you very much for this really interesting lesson. Love.
Thank you, my dear, and thank you, little cat.
Love.





