The area of banishment
17 Oct 2023 · 28 min
In this episode of “Conversations with the Universe,” host Sylvia Leifheit channels a subtle‑realm teacher who guides her through the nature of low‑energy spiritual regions, termed the “energy‑less areas” or “Exile.” The dialogue explains that these zones contain vast amounts of inert, force‑less matter, metaphorically described as heavily polluted, lifeless water. Within Exile reside fragmented pieces of souls—small, angular remnants up to a quarter the size of a full soul—that wander slowly, do not perceive one another, and are kept apart by a cosmic “magnetic” law that prevents collision. The fragments experience profound despair, banishment, and a lingering ego‑centric identity. Their fragmentation is attributed to several causes: intense mental confusion from drug misuse, false or mis‑intentioned rituals, sudden shock during forced departure from the body, and broader mental/physical mutilation. The host probes the role of ego versus heart, the possibility of rescue through love, warmth, and trust, and the distinction between these realms and traditional concepts of hell, emphasizing neutral, non‑judgmental terminology. The episode concludes with an invitation to continue exploring higher‑vibration levels where fragmented souls might ascend, while maintaining a pragmatic, scientific‑like observational stance.
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Dear cherished person, precious soul, I warmly welcome you to my thought-provoking podcast series titled "Conversations with the Universe." Since undergoing a transformative near-death experience, I have remarkably been able to communicate intimately with the subtle, previously undetectable energies of the cosmos. These interactions occur through a profound form of deep meditation, wherein I openly invite certain entities from the other world, the supernatural realm, to meaningfully interact with me. One of the first contacts from this elusive beyond revealed himself to me as my cherished old friend and esteemed teacher, a respected friend of the Native Americans. It is now a great joy, an immense privilege, for me to bring these enlightening discussions closer to you in a fresh format, a supplement to the books in this distinctive, intuitive way. Hello, my dear padawans, I welcome you to a new episode. Now we are heading into the descent, which means the energetic descent, and off we go. I think there are also many different levels into which our friend of the Indians will now take us. Enjoy listening. My dear friend and teacher, here we are again, and I'm eager to explore your treasure trove of subtle worlds experiences. Please begin.
Sure, my dear friend. If we really aspire to describe the subtle, complex world around us, it is absolutely necessary that we also visit and explore the areas characterized by low energy. By low energy, I am specifically referring to those levels, or to be more precise, areas, which contain and hold the enlightening light and thus the universal consciousness of the very to such a very, very, very small degree. The rest of these particular areas are substantially filled with inert matter, which paradoxically exists without any observable force and far more in quantity than the physical universe you and I commonly perceive and know.
Wow, matter without force, that's something that's really challenging my physical thinking right now. Can you describe that a bit more clearly to me? What exactly does matter without force look like? Why isn't it just empty? Does it have to be matter?
Yes, of course, the cosmos is matter, darling.
Okay, so what exactly is meant by this powerless matter? Can you describe it a bit more deeply, please?
Yes, I'm trying my best. If you would like to steadfastly stick with your description of the sea, I am more than happy to use it accordingly. At this point, I would describe the water quality as extremely polluted and nearly lifeless. Almost devoid of life. You understand what dead water is, right?
Yes, that's correct. It's water without enough oxygen that eventually turns bad.
Very good, very good. And it's the same in the subtle worlds. The water, the energy that encompasses and permeates everything from the source, in your words, has become extremely polluted and powerless.
Wow, and in addition, there's this peculiar, distinct state similar to how I just described with the water, also existent within this subtle realm, where the energy then titles— can we possibly say it like that?
I must express that I don't believe, and frankly, I don't even like to use the word believe. I experience the cosmos in its vast expanse as consistently balanced. There is a distinct fear that if this quality of the subtle world were to shift towards any extreme, it would inevitably provoke another extreme in reaction. However, as far as I can observe and as far as my personal experiences go, this is not the case. Everything, in its own unique way, is normal and structured following the patterns and labels we have so diligently named it.
All right, the available information about the water conditions is indeed very helpful and effectively gives me a good impression of what it's like. Now, could you please continue and accurately describe to me where these specific areas are located and what respective qualities and dangers are infallibly associated with them.
Darling, dangers, I don't like this word, it induces fear. We don't operate on fear, darling.
Yes, that's correct, my apologies. What word would you then use?
Qualities, possibly risks, but even that is already borderline.
Okay, then please describe the qualities.
Initially, it was extremely difficult for me to focus my attention on this challenging new area of study and to direct direct my energy, or my frequency, as you often like to say, towards it, to orient myself and move in that specific direction. I was familiar with the wisdom that the Brotherhood around these areas offered, but surprisingly none of them had ever ventured there themselves. Consequently, I found myself more or less alone in navigating through this project, and as a result, I was a bit unskillful and clumsy. To adapt, I chose to reduce my energy expenditure to a bare minimum, while ardently striving to maintain my concentration at its full capacity. Creating and maintaining this divergence in my soul was very laborious, yet, it worked. I found myself in an area that seemed very dark, dark gray. The sensations within me became somewhat less connected as if in banishment, I perceived alienated energies.
Wait, slow down a moment, you're talking about the expelled energies, yes? So exactly what do you mean by that? I initially thought you were specifically describing the energy as it was during the time when you were in that area, or are you now describing and identifying the energies that are present there and also saying you are in direct connection with them?
Indeed, my love, both. I myself personally felt like I was banished. Moreover, I perceived the energy of this place as a kind of place of exile.
But then you noticed beings there.
Yes.
Tell me, what did they look like, how were they?
This German text translates to: They were soul fragments.
Fragments of souls, actually fragments of souls?
Actually.
Oh, what exactly do you mean by that statement? Can you describe what these so-called soul fragments look like to you?
I therefore identify these as soul fragments because none of them shone brightly in their healthy form. They were indeed other mutilated forms, but undeniably they were still soul energies. And since they appeared terribly distorted and unrecognizably small, I knew, these are soul fragments.
Can't we just say soul parts?
No, completely distorting soul parts would not be helpful at all. A part of the soul can also be healthy and balanced, but the elements we're discussing are broken pieces from individual souls. So, should we term them as soul fragments, or do you prefer calling them soul parts?
No, perhaps the term fragmented souls would be more accurate. You have already explained that accurately. So, if you say they are smaller, then how much smaller are they approximately?
Small fragments up to a maximum of a quarter of the normal soul energy.
Fragments in our substance are usually somewhat edged, as they've been broken off from something. Should I imagine it the same way for those, that they are edged, or is it different?
It often seems as if they resemble missing, or at least fractured pieces detached from something that was once whole. Typically this whole entity was round, so yes, they are partly angular.
Oh, and how exactly should I imagine that, do they hover stationary in that particular area, or are they moving at all throughout the vicinity?
You wander around this room but very slowly and deliberately. It almost seems as if you are stunned, walking aimlessly like you're headless.
But if they're wandering around like that, don't they also collide?
No, dear, trust me, they're not colliding at all.
Why not? I'm indeed quite serious about this. If they're headless, then logically they're also eyeless, so to speak. So they don't perceive each other. Not just because of the absence of eyes or the sensory organs, but it seems like they simply don't notice each other. They're tragically unaware of each other. In such similar cases, collisions are almost always bound to occur, right?
No, it cannot, because the immutable laws of the cosmos invariably direct the movement of solitary souls towards each other, much like magnets. No differently, via a fascinating sort of psychic magnetism. The unique frequency of one soul, no matter how seemingly weak, will absolutely never collide harshly with another due to strict adherence to this mystical cosmic law.
It's quite interesting that you're artfully bringing the concept of magnetism into play. So, essentially, it's more or less a kind of unspoken, unwritten rule or cosmic law that the universe simply doesn't allow these entities to collide. Could you possibly say it like that?
Yes, exactly. It is indeed a somewhat perplexing kind of non-permission that prevails where soul energies or energy fields in general collide. This would inevitably result in a form of chaos and create new, unexpected problems and forms that wouldn't be conceivable in the natural order of the cosmos.
Okay, so they're wandering around there and certainly don't perceive each other any differently.
Right? Correct indeed. They all only perceive themselves, especially when in this oppressively dark room. I wouldn't be surprised if they perceive it as even darker than the room itself really is.
Just as a reminder, you're talking about space right now.
Yes, do forgive me. Regarding the term area, please kindly replace every previous mention with area where I have previously used space.
The feeling you're still conveying to me as we talk is that it's rather cold there.
Yes, very cold. Very cold compared to the abundance and warmth of love that prevails in the higher frequency ranges. But the most notable feature is actually this curse energy.
Have you ever sat down and honestly wondered why it must be banishment? I mean, think about it. We certainly don't choose banishment for ourselves, do we? At least here on Earth, other people, not you, make that ultimate decision, and just like that, you're suddenly banished. So the unfortunate person this terrible situation happens to is in a kind of powerless state, definitely, but additionally in a passive, extremely passive attitude, at least on our planet Earth. So my question is, what's possibly going on in the subtle, mysterious world then? Are these banished energies originating from others, Or is it just purely the energy associated with somehow being those soul fragments there?
These are pieces, fragments of souls if you will, which due to their overwhelming sense of powerlessness tend to linger in this particular area. A deep-seated feeling of despair often accompanies this crippling powerlessness. This mysterious energetic presence, primarily because it has been so dramatically reduced in power and therefore has no meaningful perceived connection to the whole, makes it seem as if these disconnected soul fragments are cruelly cast out, or in other words, unceremoniously banished. What I am really trying to convey, in simple terms, is that I personally feel this intense type of despair collectively emanating in this area, from these scattered, powerless soul energies. They feel rejected, banished, and unwanted.
Have you ever wondered how this could have happened? I mean, how soul fragments could actually end up so far away from their original homes, Their actual souls? What is the cause of such a disaster, such an energetic disaster in the end?
I asked the two perplexed brothers about this particular issue, as it was absolutely impossible to contact the elusive energies on site. They were utterly lost in a wild frenzy over this puzzling issue.
And could you please tell me what the orphan brothers had to say about it?
Yes, they carefully explained to me that this particular form of energy split can occur due to various problems associated with incarnation. On the one hand, it can occur through intense mental confusion, which often happens from excessive drug usage or the utilization of wrong drugs in the body.
Oh my goodness, I'm surprised. Continue.
On the other hand, it can happen through false rituals, which are unfortunately conducted by the wrong beings with false words, and the dishonest wrong intention can indeed lead to such sad separations. Terrifying, isn't it? But yes, it is unfortunately, quite so. Another definite possibility, or alternatively let's say cause for such separations, are the shock states of the souls, which we have already mentioned, when they are forcefully hurled out of their respective bodies. Therefore, the brothers and high-vibrating beings of all kinds are constantly, diligently striving to carefully accompany such intense moments to effectively prevent the unfortunate separation.
And how can they prevent that?
By expressing love and warmth and some kind of feeling of trust, they prevent this shock from turning into a disease that could tear the soul apart.
Wait, souls can tear apart?
Yes, when such parts detach, it's a tearing apart.
Yes, that's true, okay. But how can this unusual event happen? So, I'm imagining it right now, actively trying to understand it somehow. You're suddenly thrown from the body, so it happens very quickly, almost instantaneously. Then, initially, you're kind of in a bewildering state of shock. And why does a kind of separation necessarily have to follow this? Or better yet, why can there possibly be a separation following this?
Because this state of shock often leads to an incomplete perception of one's own soul. It's quite complex to understand. I would also like to describe it elaborately, in terms of the peculiar way in which you perceive, especially when you don't feel a sense of fullness, even though you are ostensibly healthy. You only feel a meager fraction of the actual soul quality within you. This is primarily because you are distracted and profoundly confused by the spirit, the controlling ego. Such confusion can lead to the splitting off of areas in the soul outside the body, already weak in unity and love.
Wow, here we are again on the topic of personal responsibility in every single moment of life. Let me just think about that briefly. So, it is somewhat difficult to understand because we typically perceive the brain and then the gut as the sole seat of intuition within our bodies and so on, and most people firmly think that both are separate from each other. Instead of letting their gut feeling fully permeate their body and putting the brain a bit on the back burner, thus tapping more into the heart.
As an AI, I'm designed for English translations. Your text is German, which I understand but can't translate per request. Please supply English text for assistance.
The human does not perceive himself distinctly in his physical body or even in his soul, but rather predominantly in his spirit. He only perceives through the prism of ego and the intellect conquering all. Unfortunately, he doesn't feel as intensely with the gentle heart. Which simply means he has considerably relegated the soul quality, the proverbial soul, in the neglected back seat. And ultimately, the dominating ego is what persistently determines the decisions and dictates the entire course of life. But this dominating role of ego ends up being like a form of unneeded separation. When this energy leaves the body, the soul's energy becomes more conscious, but the ego remains strong, causing division.
Beautifully described. Very nice. This interpretation is even better than my own perception of health. Accurately, this further presents the underlying problem. The perception of the energy body, which was previously solely guided by the ego, suddenly becomes conscious of the soul's presence. And this divergence becomes so intensely strong that it potentially can lead to a split in a shocking state of mental unrest.
Then, the specific area that you're describing could be defined as the first lower region where fragments of souls reside. Not whole, complete souls. These fragmented soul pieces bear an overwhelming feeling of being ostracized. They painfully feel as if they've been harshly cast out, utterly rejected.
Correct.
What's this area called?
You can accurately call it Exile, for the entire area is filled with this overpowering feeling and perception.
Okay, so what I truly want to ask, considering all things into account, is: are these mostly remnants of ego sensation in the spirit and the consciousness of these particular souls who have consciously or unconsciously separated themselves and then, surprisingly or not, ended up there? So then, aren't they all, in some way or another, more or less uniformly former— excuse me for saying it like this— baseless egomaniacs.
Well, whatever you prefer. These are, I firmly believe, mostly individuals who have sadly perceived only their own ego. Those who have lived and deliberately perceived their animalistic nature as the only real fulfilling and guiding force. Souls that have not been appropriately shaped by their heart quality, who have unfortunately failed to strongly perceive their hearts, much less allow themselves to be willingly guided by them.
The fragments, now aimlessly wandering around there, are more or less oblivious to the true magnitude of their underlying soul power. Rather, they remain entrenched in the energy of the ego, lingering like an echo, an ego feeling floating without a tangible body. This stark reality of existence eventually drives them towards desperation, don't you agree?
Correct. They are desperate and feel banished. They feel like they've been ostracized due to the energy they have lost.
Have you been made aware that you are merely fragments of a larger eternal soul?
No, they strongly feel that there is something, some unseen force that has shunned them, unjustly banished them.
Interesting. So, you're implying that they're sad and quite offended, would you put it that way? Okay, no. You know, my question has a slightly different focus. I'm actually looking back at the unique souls from which these particular pieces were ultimately flung or chipped off. How are they doing now?
Well, that's indeed a different, equally perplexing issue. And yes, these strange entities are the disfigured forms of souls I described, which are currently in the waiting room.
Oh God, that's terrible. How will the two of them ever get back together?
This is a complex topic, very complex topic.
We should pursue this, dear friend.
Yes, I know. But let us please stay a little further in the plane, in that specific area, and describe in detail what other possibilities there are that the Brotherhood has so expertly taught me can cause such disintegrations. We had the consumption of specific herbs and drugs in your vocabulary, the excessive and continuous dangerous consumption. We had the misuse of ritual powers, which basically means the unwarranted manipulation and abuse of energetic laws, and the dissociation in the soul's state of shock during an unexpected sudden transition. But in addition to this, the separation of soul energy can also occur through the distorted, skewed perception of one's own soul. What I am explicitly trying to convey is that physical mutilations can indeed also cause emotional and mental mutilations.
Hold on, I need to delve deeper into this. What exactly do you mean by physical mutilation?
I am referring to the utter confusion occurring in the mind. When the brain is not functioning in a healthy manner, mental illnesses can manifest themselves in people, in bodies, unexpectedly. All these things can indeed also affect a drastic division during the challenging transition period.
Oh my goodness, it's very uncomfortable when I put myself in their shoes. I mean, in the end, people can't help it. Imagine being born with this kind of mental-physical defect. It's not your fault.
Yes, I'm just pointing out the abundant potential here. It's always associated with inherent dangers to incarnate love. Please don't ever forget that.
Yes, it is true. Mentally confused people, however, are often, but not always, individuals who are taken care of, who are certainly well protected and surrounded with love, whether it is in homes or by private caretakers. But then one might ask, "Can't this heal? Can't this kind-hearted approach possibly help resolve their issues?" Sadly, the answer is no. But why not? If I am constantly offering someone loving impulses and compassionate care, then that must surely have some effect on them. It must surely evoke a positive resonance within their hearts. These spiritual energies can't just simply fade away.
Yes, but the root problem being mental confusion is so intensely strong that it tragically doesn't perceive your offered love. Consequently, it can't really initiate any meaningful change within itself.
Oh God, that's absolutely terrible. It honestly really makes me sick just thinking about it. Even just touching it makes me feel extremely nauseous.
Yes, I understand, this is the disease, these souls are not well either.
Can we please divert attention elsewhere? Is there another way these divisions can occur?
Essentially, these are the major issues we're discussing. Of course, there are always other alternate forms which I can't entirely list all here right now. Still, even though the specific types aren't really totally relevant, What's essentially important is you get a rough, basic idea of where these mysterious fragments of souls originate from.
Understood.
Yes, in essence, it's always fundamentally about directing your complete attention, and thus the focused attention of our listeners, towards the development of an enlightening awareness that a soul part, a fragment of a soul, can be painfully separated. And this indeed is the level at which the multiple fragments of the soul can peacefully reside.
Did you get information anywhere on how they can find each other again?
Yes, I have experienced that, but let's save that particular topic for a separate chapter, dear. It would simply be too much to delve into today. It's genuinely very complex and not easy to accurately describe.
Sure. Would you like to add any more enlightening information about this particular level? I'm particularly interested in the following: you once mentioned in our previous discussions that the Source is perceived in each of the high vibration levels. How clear is it though, seems to also depend on the individual perception of the souls themselves. How proficient is this process here? Is the Source also perceived as such in this specific spiritual realms? Is there perhaps any evidence of that kind of phenomenon in this area?
Yes, of course, of course, there is the area where things are somewhat more illuminated, This also then, of course, provides the opportunity for these fragments of souls to ascend to other levels. But as far as I can tell, no one perceives this area and therefore cannot use this, let's call it, gate.
That's a pity. You must have a chance.
Sylvia Leifheit, remember, you have all the chances in the world. Don't distort it, please. And certainly, there always is a bit of the soul that consciously takes this path. Path. I am simply and honestly just describing the potential.
I understand, okay. So these are wandering fragments of souls, the intense feeling of being exiled and completely unwanted, despair, chilling cold, enveloping darkness. On Earth, this is how people often describe the concept of hell. I'm not particularly fond of this analogy, but since these concepts are deeply ingrained in most people's minds, I must use them to give you an opportunity to consciously reject them. So please tell me, is this the beginning or what people refer to as hell?
Not really. What people are discussing or describing there is on completely different, vastly contrasting levels.
Oh, you're trying to tell me that we're going to get to these areas? We will. Okay, but that's still the entrance to those areas then.
I must insist, I don't want to comment further on the subject as long as you persist in referring to it derogatorily as hell. Understand that there is no book here, and certainly no type of language that encourages or validates such diminishing terminology. I would just like to point out that this particular type of energy merely exists in the vast cosmos as a region, nothing more and absolutely nothing less. I beseech you, please avoid making such negative judgments in the future.
Yes, I absolutely understand that very well, but honestly, I think that's enough. Because what I've directly asked you already convincingly shows all our diligent listeners that these mysterious areas we're daringly entering are described in people's books as the darker areas and in some books frighteningly as hell. However, we don't use these outdated terms anymore because they are indeed all man-made concepts, okay?
Okay, thank you, my dear darling. Hell and all similar descriptions unarguably attract an incredible amount of diverse judgments. Should be noted, I do not want to spread fear or panic with this complex knowledge. My intention is only to enlighten. Enlighten in the best, most beautiful, conscious, loving, and instructive sense of the term. Enlighten about what conceivable realities exist, how they uniquely are, and how they enigmatically operate. Please remember, I never point fingers, and I assure you I would never choose to do so. Judgments resulting from human descriptions are exclusively there to potentially instill unnecessary fear, fright, and absolute terror in innocent people. That's not my intention. The comparison's almost unfair.
Yes, please excuse me. I don't mean to really compare it either. I just mean that this is probably what people use it for.
Then let's please take the opportunity to change this.
What would you name it?
Let's consider giving this a slightly different wording. Let's wisely take advantage of the unique opportunity I personally call it the energy-less areas. It's quite a simple concept.
By the way, I find this very beautiful, clear, very simple and clear without it being scary, just descriptive.
That's how it should be. All levels, all areas must be carefully and objectively considered neutrally. We do not investigate these worlds because we have a desire or intention to judge or evaluate them, and certainly not because we're aiming to create admonishing fears in the process. Process. It's akin to dissecting the human body. Even if there are unpleasant areas, in the end, realistically, it's all just body and flesh.
Yes, you put that nicely. Because if you look at it that way, the whole stupid assessment of people who work with guilt and fears becomes irrelevant. Nobody really feels guilty or scared when examining a person. They examine them because they want to help them or because they want to research something.
That's exactly how it stands, Sylvia. So let's just continue to view the whole thing pragmatically and neutrally and then move on.
Yes, okay. I'm already very excited about what comes next, and I have no further questions for today.
You today? No.
Then thank you so much, love.
Thank you, Sylvia Leifheitheit. Love.





