Dr. Tanya Beaubrun | Use Your Life “Blessons” To Go From Burnout To Breakthrough At Midlife

There are two important days in your life. The day you were born and the day you find out why. Mark Twain. Stay tuned as Dr. Tanya helps you understand how to use your life lessons to go from burnout to breakthrough at midlife.

So the big question is, how do women over 40 like us, keep weight off, have great energy, balance our hormones and our moods, feel sexy and confident, and master midlife? If you're like most of us, you're not getting the answers you need and remain confused and pretty hopeless to ever feel like yourself again. As an OB gyn, I had to discover for myself the truth about what creates a rock solid metabolism, lasting weight loss and supercharged energy after 40 in order to lose £100 and fix my fatigue. Now I'm on a mission. This podcast is designed to share the natural tools you need for impactful results and to give you clarity on the answers to your midlife metabolism challenges. Join me for tangible natural strategies to crush the hormone imbalances you're facing and help you get unstuck from the sidelines of life. My name is Dr. Kieran Dunston. Welcome to the Hormone Prescription Podcast.

Hi everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kiran. Thank you so much for joining me today. As we speak with Dr. Tanya Beaubrun, who is the More Joy MD, she's going to talk to you about what that means and we had a beautiful, beautiful conversation that I know you're going to find inspirational and it's really going to help you understand if you're experiencing burnout and you're feeling hopeless, what the path forward is. And this is from two doctors who have been there and gotten through it and now we help others. So you're gonna get a lot of inspiration as well as information and tools. We talk about so many things. The tool she shares a tool to uncover what your dreams actually are helps you understand that second most important day in your life. And if you're feeling like you're not where you're supposed to be in life, she help you understand where how to know where you're supposed to be and really helps you to start dreaming of life in color again if life has become black and white for you. I know that was true for me back when I weighed 243lbs and my health was really tanked. Life had become black and white and now it's in color again, full color. So she's going to really help you get unstuck because she got herself unstuck and we're going to share that with you today. I'll tell you a little bit more about her and then we'll get started. She specializes in functional and integrative medicine. She's way more than a physician. She's a certified wellness and lifestyle empowerment coach, a motivational speaker and author and she has a passion for nurturing well being. She helps individuals rediscover their mojo for a happier, healthier life. She is a graduate of the University of the West Indies. She advocates a holistic approach to wellness blending mind, body and spirit practices. And her credentials include an honors degree in alternative medicine and certifications in functional anti aging and regenerative medicine. She is the CEO of Rodney Bay Medical and Diagnostics center and spearheads Satya Integrative Medical Services, which is the Caribbean's first functional and integrative medical clinic. And she shares more about that during our discussion about really how revolutionary what she's offering in the Caribbean is. Please help me welcome Dr. Tanya Brabin to the show.

Thank you for having me.

I'm really excited to have you on the show after reading your book Bubbles, Buddha and Butterflies. It was so touching and really spoke to me of the inner journey that we're on when we're seeking health as women at midlife. So I'm wondering if you can just start by sharing a little bit of your journey, how you went from burnout, you were there and it with me as being a physician also who went into medicine and to work with women specifically because I wanted the biggest toolbox to help women and I thought the MD degree would get me there only to discover and become disillusioned that it doesn't actually create health and vitality. And so I was on this journey too of seeking what are we missing? What am I missing with my own health? Because my own health was horrible and found that it wasn't even only about my physical health, although I thought it was. I just need to lose the weight. That was my mantra. I just need to lose the weight. And I know some of you out there listening are with me on that, but it's so much more than that. Can you share with everyone a little bit of your story about being a physician and what you encountered?

It's a very interesting story now that I can look back from a space. You know, Hindsight is always 2020 and I went into medicine. I've always known I was going to be a doctor. There was, you know, from the age of 6 or 7 I knew that was what I was going to do. I would take care of my dog. I took Care of my family, my cousins, you know, I was just the nurturer and figured that's the only way to do it. So I went into medicine conventionally trained, loved it, still do. But then I realized somewhere along the line that something was missing. And I thought that I was treating the bodies of my patients. We weren't well equipped in medical school to treat the minds of our patients as well as I would have liked. So I decided to become to do a course in health coaching. So I would blend health coaching with my medical practice to better treat the minds of my patients. While the first patient whose life was transformed by health coaching was mine. Being exposed to a holistic approach with iin, bioidentical and genetics and all of that. And I thought, wow, there's so much more to medicine than I realized. And shortly after that I burnt out. Wasn't too long after that. The first time I didn't know what it was. I just thought that I had, wasn't strong enough. There was a deficiency within myself that would not allow me to do what I, what I felt I needed to do as a physician, A wife, a mother of three. The second time I had then come through the IIN course, I knew more about the adrenal fatigue and by some stroke of luck I happened to have a five point cortisol test kit I practiced in the Caribbean. So you have to understand that we don't do many of the tests that you have available in the U.S. we don't have right at our fingertips, especially the newer tests. And in functional and integrative medicine we are sort of, we are behind in certain ways. Somehow I found this test, I had to FedEx it out and lo and behold, I had flatlined. Well, for me that was like the biggest aha and the biggest blessing because I realized that it wasn't in my head. You know, you go to doctors and your labs are normal and they tell you, oh, it's just hormones. Are you just tired or you're just stressed and you know, just sleep or rest more. So I had to find a way to heal myself because I realized that conventional western medicine was not going to heal me. And I went on this path, found somehow found functional medicine, founded a functional medicine female doctor who looked at me with such compassion and understanding, like I truly felt seen and heard. I burst into tears and she held me and she told me that it's going to take me at least two years to get back. Well, I'm the perfectionist, you know, and I'm a doctor. So it's not going to take me three possible three months. So I gave myself the year, but I continued working, and I continued. I was introduced to the supplements, and so. And I was feeling better. So, of course, as soon as you feel better, you go straight back into your old pattern. Wearing the hats and listening to what you know a small community tells you you should be doing and feeling that you are dancing tunes of so many others other than yours. And then slowly but surely, things started to crumble again, of course, because I didn't allow myself to heal properly. And there was one incident with a patient where I realized that it was a longtime patient of ours and also a family friend. And he called me because he was dying. He knew he was going to. When I got to his bedside, I knew that I was not going to save his life. And it was the hardest thing for me because I'm like, you've called the doctor. The doctor is supposed to save your life. And there I'm looking at him, and he knows very well he's dying, and I can't. And I know that I'm not going to be able to save him, not at all. So I stayed with him, and the family prayed. And then I started to rub his feet because his feet were going cold. And I said, oh, it must be so uncomfortable for him. So I just rub his feet. And as I looked up, he was looking down at me. And I thought, he knows he's loved. He knows how much I have cared for him. And at the end of his life, he will know how much he is loved. And I realized then that sometimes the best prescription that we can give is a prescription for love. That totally changed everything for me. And he died later that day. And I went back, but it just. Everything changed. My whole foundation shifted because I was trained to be a doctor, often astray, to save lives. But then I realized I won't save every life. But that doesn't mean that I can't help them. Doesn't mean that I can't be the one to help them transition in a loving and compassionate way. And I started to look at every single person who came and sat across my desk in a different light. How can I change their lives? How can I truly make them better? How can I heal them in whatever way, whether it's physical, emotional, or spiritual? I realized then that sometimes that's what we have to look at. It's not just the physical aspects of the patient. There's an emotional aspect, a mental aspect, and a spiritual aspect. It took me on A journey where I started to look at my mental health, my physical health, my emotional health in a totally different way. I got deeper into my spirituality. Worked with Gabby Bernstein and her Spirit Junkie masterclass. And it was as if I was going through these shifts and every time I went through another shift, something else would fall on my lap and I'm like, oh, wow, okay, let me do this. And then a few years later, I decided, I'm going to study functional medicine because I do not want any patient to fall into this burnout path that I did and not be able to have someone who will be there for them and have them feel seen and heard and held in a safe space. Because that's what I realized I had needed and was not able, there was nobody to give it to me at the time. Found functional medicine. Another layer of my world opened up. And then I found integrative medicine, another layer. Chinese medicine, ayurvedic medicine, naturopathy, homeopathy. And I'm like, these predated Western medicine by thousands and thousands of years. But we were never taught that in medical school. And I started to look at things in a different light and everything just shifted. And it was at that point that I realized I had to practice medicine my way, in a more heart based way, in a compassionate way, and still prescribe love. Whilst writing a prescription for medication I'm prescribing love. Whether they leave without a medicine, whether it's a hug. Patient today told me that I set him on a path. All I did was tell him. He said he didn't know what job to choose. He was between two jobs. And I said, well, you know, I have these stones on my desk with inspirational sayings. Choose a stone, maybe it will help you. Nature was joy. And he says, you know, that's what I told my wife. I need more joy in my life. I said, well, clearly you're on the right path because you chose. You chose it. I didn't choose it for you, you chose it. Then he decided he wanted to flip a coin and asked me to flip it for him. So I said, you know, I didn't know my job entailed flipping coins, but there I was flipping coins for him. And every time he flipped it, he says, one more time. And I flipped it again. I'm like, I'm really not good at flipping coins. He says, but you're getting the same thing. I said, I'm not getting it. The coin's getting it. So he was able to get his answers. And I looked at him Today. And I said, well, sometimes my job involves rolling stones and flipping coins. He thought it was hilarious. And I thought, you know what you prescribe whatever the patient needs to have them heal in whatever way they need. And that's where I am now.

Yeah, it's such a beautiful story. And I love in your book how you relate that part where you said, I realized I had been doing what I thought I should be doing to be. I'll fill in the blank. Happy, successful, a good person, a good doctor, whatever. Because I have that. Realized that same thing that the early part of the my life and career was really centered around. And I think this speaks to all women. We're really told that essentially we all function the same and we should want marriage, kids, career. You know, never mind that it's kind of a lie that you can have your cake and eat it too. Something's gonna give. And you describe that beautifully in the book. I experienced that too. It's like when you're at work, you're thinking how you're screwing up at home. And when you're at home, you're thinking how you're screwing up at work. And there's no peace and there's no place for us. And so everybody listening. If you're feeling like you're really a footnote in your own life and you've created. I created a life that wasn't sustainable for me because it wasn't authentic. And it's accompanied. The health concerns are not separate from that. That was the big realization for me as I also discovered functional medicine and started healing myself is not just the physical. It's about so much more. It's who you're being in your life, how you're living your life. Are you in alignment with your soul's purpose or not? Are you on the speaking the truth of who you came to be in this lifetime? And you described it so beautifully. Your book is just. It's beautifully written and so for everyone listening, it's not a medical text. You're not going to get a bunch of medical ease jargon. It's really soul to soul, heart to heart, one woman to another. At midlife, I lost my way. I know you might have too. And I want to share my story. And so I think you did that beautifully.

Thank you. I have a little story about that book. So while I was on this journey, I started writing because I had left everything. I left my practice, I left my husband back home. So I went to Florida to study and I was with my daughter and my two Boys were in university there as well. So I was what I call a single mom in a new country, driving on the different, a different side of the road, learning everything new. I had never lived in the US before and I started writing as a form of release or just these things would come up and I'd just sit and write and they were just there. One one was taken up by Huffington Post, another one by another blog, you know, but they were just there. And while I was doing that, I decided I figured I had to write a book because that's what everybody else was doing. You know, you're on these, you know, even these coaching groups and everybody's right books. I forgot to write. So I started and started writing a book. And it was what you'd think is a medical text. You know, medical. Not a text, but a medical book to help people. And so wrote it was. I had the COVID I had everything. About two weeks before I was finishing up my program and was leaving the U.S. i started to get the jitters. I started to question myself. Did you do the right thing? Are you going back home? Will they accept you? You know, you're in a small island. Will they even know what functional medicine is? You've given up so much of your time and your life here, and you're going back and they may not even want you back. And it was a real dark night of the soul. And I remember very vividly I packed up the apartment and I was. We had one bed and I couldn't sleep, so I left my husband and my daughter and I went to sleep on the floor in the living room because I was just so tormented, so just anxious. And all of a sudden, the day before I was flying out, I'm like, you have a book. You need to put all these things you've been writing into a book and share it with the world because it's going to help somebody else in a position similar to yours. I sat on that flight and I channeled that book. I never looked up. So I wasn't. Because I was very scared to go back home. It sounds strange, but I was scared of what I would face. You know, you all, you leave and you, you figure you brave and you suffer. When the time comes to get back, that's when you're like, oh, reality is going to hit and how hard will that reality be? So I'm on that flight. It's a three and a half hour flight, and I don't look up. I have headphones on and I put up my laptop. I very Rarely use my laptop on a flight, but I never stopped. By the time I landed, three and a half hours later, 90% of that book was completed. I had gone through all the essays, chosen the ones, rewritten all the essays, decided how I was going to do it. The book just came through me. And I know that the universe sent this to me at that time to give me the time and space. Space to process what I had gone through and to share it with somebody out there who needed to hear that. It's okay to go after your dreams. It's okay to be authentic. It's okay to speak your truth, even though sometimes it's hard. Even though sometimes you're scared. Do it scared. Just live your life and do it the best way that you can. Because the only person that's going to be with you through the dark nights of the soul is you and your mind. And the name of the book, my son once. That was years ago, way before the book. I always said if I'd write a book, that would be the name. He looked at me in the middle of Vegas, of all places, and I was walking through the mall and there was this beautiful Buddha. And I, oh, my God, I have to stop and go in. He just looked at me and said, oh, you. You're all about Buddha and butterflies. Every time there's a Buddha, we have to stop. Every time there are butterflies, we have to stop. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to write a book and I'm going to call it a Bubbles Buddha and butterflies. And he just looked at me, says, whatever, you just have to stop for all these butterflies and all these Buddha. Just. So that was the name of the book. So the name of the book was way before the idea for the book came in, so everything just fell into place for this book.

Yeah, it's so beautifully written. I can't recommend it highly enough for any woman at midlife, period. If you have burnout, if you don't know what your dreams are, it's just beautifully written, very inspiring. I think you really hit on key factors that keep us, as women, stuck. A lot of us think it's our health, and that is a part of it. But there's something before the health where it is this honoring of ourselves and our permission to go against what society says we should be. And, you know, I hope everyone listening really gets how brave it is for doctors like Dr. Tanya and me to go outside the mainstream. Medicine is really a religion. It's not so much science as it is A religion. Because what mainstream medicine, no matter what continent you live on or country you live in, is, is a certain belief system in how you treat the body and how health is created or destroyed. And it's limited to giving a pill for every ill, a surgery for every symptom. And it's not really targeted at healing the underlying cause. And so as doctors, we are trained into this belief system, this religion of mainstream medicine, and then we're told we know more about this type of health than anybody else. So forget everything else and what the science says, that we clearly are ignoring a large majority of what it takes to create health for men and women. We're ignoring our spirituality, we're ignoring the causative aspects, we're ignoring our lifestyle aspects, all the inputs that we go to learn in functional medicine school that the naturopaths got the first time. We have to go to another school to take another medical education. And then we might take herbology, right, or acupuncture or energy medicine, which is something I've studied. And we have to start learning how to incorporate the spirituality. So for. For you to go outside your country and learn all these newfangled things, right, which aren't new at all, like you pointed out, they're thousands of years old and have been validated by modern science. But mainstream medicine just conveniently wants to keep that out of everyone's awareness is extremely brave. I loved how you described that you didn't have the awareness of your bravery, and then all of a sudden it came into focus for you. Wow. Like, I've been brave my every step of the way in following my inner guidance. And now I'm going back. And then I could see where the transformation happened for you. That change shift to owning yourself and owning your soul's calling and having a mission to bring this to people who otherwise, you know, if they don't hear it from you, there's some people who will never hear it. And so I loved that. And I want every woman listening to really pay attention, because I have yet to talk to a woman who doesn't have this inside her too. And she's covered it up and buried it and for forgotten it and denied it and just settled for what she thinks she should have, what she thinks she can have, instead of what her soul has always known it wanted that maybe she hasn't thought about in decades. So can you talk about the importance of, like, really, you saw yourself true for who you were and what you were here to do, and how do women get to that place? Because there are women listening right now who are laying across the bed in despair because they're like, I've tried everything. There is no answer to my fill in the blank with the 60 plus symptoms of what I call midlife metabolic mayhem. You know, overweight, tired, no sex, hair falling out, skin issues, liver issues, digestive issues, mental health issues, you name the list. So there's a woman right now laying across the bed thinking her life is over because she can't find the answers. So how can you help her move into an awareness that you have.

First of all, her first instinct is usually right, reach out for help, and the awareness that something is not quite right. I think it took me a long time to acknowledge that something wasn't right. You know, you get up at 2 and 3 in the morning and you don't know why you're not sleeping. And as you call, you have metabolic mayhem. But you keep thinking that it is going to go away and that if you work harder, if you work out longer, if you eat less, if you just commit to doing more, it will go away. Where really we should be committing to being more of ourselves. But sometimes we've forgotten we don't even know who we are anymore. And post Covid, I think it's even worse because I think the physical isolation and we became disturbed, disconnected from ourselves in ways that are unprecedented. And we are reaching a stage, I think, this year, where we're only now processing the effects of the pandemic on top of everything else that's going on with us physically and emotionally and spiritually. I had hoped that in many ways that the pandemic would be an awakening for the healthcare community, because I realized that functional medicine was made for times like these. This is where functional medicine showed the diamond for what it really is. During COVID and now beyond, not enough people are aware that one, there is this thing called functional medicine that actually looks at the patient and not the disease process alone, and that is individualized. And that we look at everything, the entire history of the patient, a comprehensive physical exam, the labs are looked at in a different way. There's so much, and there's not one better than the other. And I keep telling people I would not say that conventional medicine is better or worse than functional medicine. I think there is a need for every single part, including the alternative. What we call, they call alternative and I call complementary, because they complement what we do. And we need to start integrating everything that we've learned into a unique recipe that is designed for each patient. So for this Woman lying across the bed. I want her to know that I see you. I hear you. I feel you. I have been exactly where you are. And you will get out of this, and you will get out stronger, smarter, fitter, wiser, and even more beauty. Your soul will be even more beautiful for what you've been through. I always tell people, the dark night of the soul that many people go through is just polishing us for something to shine our light brighter. We're just being polished that when you're going through that, you're like, gosh, can you just polish me? It's not as hard. Can I get a light polish? Must you polish? Must you? You know, I don't need to be scrubbed that hard. You know, I just want a gentle polish. You're going too deep, and it hurts as it really hurts. It really does. But then when you come out and you look at it, I look at so much that I burnt out, including after Covid. And I look at those moments, and I think they were lessons. Lessons, and they were blessings. And I call them the blessings.

Blessings.

I love blessings and blessings. The blessings that that came out of these. I can now say beautiful things. I have a lot of patients going through that now, and sometimes I think I'm so grateful that I went through it so I can truly empathize with the patient and say, okay, I understand. I truly get what you're going through. I get up on a morning and saying, they must be more to life than this. I get going on the scale, and, sid, where did those five pounds come from? You know, putting on your rings, trying to put on your wedding ring one day wouldn't go on. I'm like, what happened to my fingers? And I'm looking at those fingers. I'm like, when did my fingers get fat? You know, I get irregular periods, and all of a sudden, my periods that were really spectacularly regular bow on time just suddenly stop being regular. Okay, so I'm only in my late 30s. What's going on? Nobody told me that as early as my late 30s I would be going through perimenopause, especially if I've been significantly stressed. So if you are listening and you are feeling that everything is not right, understand that it's turning you upside down and inside out, preparing you for something greater, deeper, and far more beautiful than you can ever imagine. I promise you, you will see that light again. But in order to see the light, we have to go through this tunnel. And if you have a partner holding your hand through the tunnel, it's A lot easier. And that partner is a sympathetic, well trained healthcare professional. Somebody who will see you, who will hear you, who will truly sit back and see you for what you're going through and will not tell you it's in your head or you just need to rest or God forbid, one of my patients, and I swear that was true, was told to just have another baby, just go have another baby to sort out your hormones. And I'm like, you are kidding me. They did not tell you that. She came to me, she says, he told me to just have another baby. I said, your doctor told you that? He said, yes. I said, I promise you do not need to have another baby. You know, and these are the stories that you hear all the time. And you think, where were we trained? Where is the deficiency in our training that we can look at a woman who hasn't slept for weeks, who is tired, who has gained weight. And it's not that, it's in her mind, because if you've been tracking her weight, you will see she's gained weight. She will tell you that her clothes are no longer fitting her. She says she hasn't made it up, she's not going to go and buy clothes because she just feels like it. And tell her that the answer to her problem is to have to get pregnant and have another baby. More lack of sleep, more weight gain, more hormonal issues. So we have to find partners, health partners, who will walk this tunnel with us and beyond because not because you've gone through the tunnel and you've reached the end and you're seeing the light. You can drop. I can drop your hand, or you can drop my hand. I need to walk you through, get you beyond that and say, listen, I'll always be here for you if you need me. And that is what I think a lot of us have lacked in the past, where we know there's a trusted health care partner that we can always go to and say, today, I'm not feeling it, or something is not quite right. Because the patient lives in their bodies and they know when something is not right. Even if the labs are normal, even if all the tests are normal, and we can roll our eyes and bounce our head against the wall and say, what else is there? The patient knows. And if we allow them to tap into their inner wisdom and tune into their innate ability to heal themselves, we will have the answers. And that's our job. Not to just write prescriptions and tell them what to do. It's a partnership.

Yes, it is. So beautifully Described, you know, I had to laugh when you said that about the doctor told her to have another baby because I brought up a memory for me from medical school because I had crazy periods. That's one of the things that drawn me to going into OB GYN is trying to figure myself out. And they told, told me the, the doctor at the clinic at my med school told me, have a baby, this will get better. And that's insane. But it just highlights the insanity of what we're talking about. So for the woman listening, yes, you will get through that dark night of the soul. And I love your analogy of the polishing. Yeah, don't polish me so hard. But I really think that if we're off our course in life in any way, something has to get our attention. Whether it's a relationship crisis or a health crisis or a financial career crisis, something has to get our attention. And for some of us it is our health. So also, I like to encourage women to stop thinking about your health problems as an obstacle and start looking at the as the pathway to the evolution of your soul. Like you talk about the butterflies that you love. I love them too. It really is the pathway. And I love this quote you shared from Mark Twain. There are two important days in your life. The day you were born and the day you find out why. And I think for a lot of the women I work with, their health challenges and passing through them and learning how to navigate them becomes the vehicle through which they find out why they are here on this earth. And if you're listening and you're thinking, Karen, I can't even think about how I'm going to get dinner and you're talking about why I'm here on this earth, I really don't care. I just want to feel better. I hear you. I've been there. Like Dr. Tanya and I have both been flatline. Cortisols. That's the word worst you can get. It means you're surviving and that's it. You're just surviving. And so I understand. We've been there. How can you help a woman really get on that path and that understanding? And she's wondering what am I here for? I really loved how you leaned into the question and this has been true in my journey too. I recently am back from two years traveling in Africa and Middle east and North Great Britain and just really kind of on this soul searching journey and it's been monumental and I hope to share some of it in writing soon. While I'm still unpacking it But I always say I couldn't have done that without what I call hormonal prosperity. You gotta have hormonal prosperity to do all the things. But it also is the pathway towards me now truly knowing and accepting who I am in this world. I love that workbook you made. Yeah, yeah, talk a little.

This Dreamcatcher was, was channeled while I was, was away studying and I had been doing some coaching with some patients or clients. And I realized that a lot of people don't out of touch with their dreams. So you're born with a purpose. Everybody has a unique soul's purpose. But for some reason, either a teacher or parent or somebody tells, tells you you can't do this or you can't be this and you forget. We forget who we were called to be and it takes us sometimes to sit down and targeted questions. So I would work with myself and ask myself the questions and realize that let me use it with some of my patients. And that's how the Dreamcatcher workbook was born. Where I wanted people to really get deep and spend time with themselves and get this done. And many people didn't want to do it. People wouldn't because when you start to get deep, it brings up some fears, it brings up some guilt and resentment. And I'm not living the life I wanted to, you know, to live. It's too hard, you know, to change now would be too hard. And I would stick with it and say, listen, I just need you to feel, to complete this. You don't have to share it with me, but keep it and, and just work on it. And that's how the dream catcher work came through, through work that I was doing. These are questions that I have sat and asked myself on many occasions. I still use it for myself at times where I sit on, okay, so there you are. And this year I'm going to be 56. And if you know, in Chinese medicine this is a pivotal year for women because every woman is every seven years. But the funny thing is that 56 is where it ends. So I've been on a mission to find out from traditional Chinese medicine practitioners what happens from 56 onwards. I don't just dry up, but there's absolutely nothing in the textbooks that tell you what's happened after age 56. But I'm completing another seven year cycle. And it's something that, having looked back, I realized that it is true that over after seven years you sort of go through a rebirthing. But last year I went through a significant rebirthing. But I think because I was aware that I was going to be 56 this year, I kind of like, okay, well I know I'm going to go through this rebirthing process. I have no choice because it's that. So bring it on. You must never ask the universe to bring things on. Never, never, never. No, because it brought it on. And it was like I was telling, telling somebody that for this year, 2024, I felt for the first half of the year that I was placed in a washing machine and somebody had forgotten to turn off the rinse cycle. And I would go. And as fast as I thought I would come to the end of a cycle, I'm like, okay, you're going to stop now and wash me off and spit me out. It would just start over again. I'd be tumbled over and over again. And I'm like, okay, this rebirthing process now I've been washed so many times that now I think I really need to find rinse cycle myself because if I don't, I'm going to keep getting tumbled over, you know. And it's been quite a series of aha moments for me, realizing that I am exactly where I am meant to be at any given time. That everything I have learned over the past 55 plus years, whether it's in medicine, in marketing and branding, in anything business, has brought me to this point. And I'm now making decisions that are from a place of owning my purpose, my power and my passion. I've reached the stage where I've owned that I'm. I now have silver strands of wisdom. You know, I don't call them grace. They're silver strands of wisdom and that I need to share with people. But more importantly, I. You need. These are now my legacy years. And how am I going to leave the world a better place? Having gone through everything I've gone through, I need to start to share the lessons and the blessings with people. So it took me a while to come out about my burnout. I didn't want to talk about it. There was some shame attached to it. You know, how can the doctor allow itself to burn out not once, twice, three times, even four times? You know, you'd think that by the second time one learns. But in sharing that and sharing my truth as authentically as I could, I have changed. I know I have changed. So many lies because they're people who are suffering in silence, who didn't know what burnout felt or looked like. There are people who did not want to come out, who didn't know where to turn and having me speak about it and say, listen, there is more to life than just hormone replacement or vitamins or supplements or having your face done. It's all, everything together. And we need to look at what is right for you at any given point in time, because it will change as you change, your needs and desires change. And I use myself as a guinea pig so many times. Okay, there's this new product on. Let me try it. My sister is one of the. I would say one of the top esthetic medicine practitioners out there. I'm usually the guinea pig. So, yes, I would put my hand up for Botox. And yes, I will. You know, I've had thread lifts and, you know, because normally it's first nutrition, I need to try it on you. And I'm like, okay, there's certain things I'll try. There's certain things I, you know, I won't. But I think that each person needs to know what's right for them and tune in. So I always ask the patient, do you feel that you. You want to start this? Do you think it's time to start hormone replacement, Bioidentical hormone replacement? Do you think, tune into your body and see how it feels? Because not. Because there is. It's been prescribed. And 90% of the patients at this time with this level needed, means that this patient needs it. I may need to give them another few months. For me, looking at the practice of medicine and getting people well has been the biggest shift for me. I will not necessarily cure certain people of certain diseases, but I will heal them, even if it means coming to a point of acceptance of what is going on and more importantly, understanding what is going on with their bodies. Because I believe that when once a patient is educated well enough to understand what is going on with their bodies and empowered to remain in tune with their bodies and listen to their bodies, I think half our problems are solved once I get the patient to do that. You know, many patients come to the doctor and say, the doctor knows all. So just, you know, just write me a prescription and take it all. I need to lose this weight now. Just give me the Ozempic. And I'm like, well, before I go to that point, let's see what's going on. Could it be your thyroid? Could it be something else? And people don't quite get that their bodies. You know, there's so many bodily processes that are happening all the time, and that before we go and interfere with it, with drugs or even with certain supplements, we have to understand the baseline and know exactly where you are. And you need to know that with this happening, this is how you feeling. So that when we shift you and transform you, you can understand. Okay, I've moved to this other level. My goal for each patient is to get to a point where they feel joy. And I call somebody because I call it the mojo. I'm the Mojo, M.D. mojo. So somebody said, oh, all your patients are coming back. And all I see is that they're glowing. I say, yeah, they have the mojo glow, right? And I want the glow. I said, well, you know, they've. It doesn't just come and I don't just write a prescription for the glue. There is a process that takes us, and there's a system that takes us through a number for us to get the glue. So she just wanted. She wanted the glue right away. And I'm like, well, it doesn't quite work like that. But she's one of my most successful client stories because once she understood that it wanted to work, two, I would be there for her. And three, it wouldn't happen just overnight. And she had to remain connected with her body through it all so she could explain to me what was going on. Yeah, she became so connected that if she comes to ask me anything, I'm like, okay, I'm going to check it. She knows exactly what's going on. But not many healthcare practitioners are listening enough to their patient. We need to allow them the time and the space to unpack what's been happening to them sometimes for 30, 40, 50 years.

It's so true.

And it's time and space and a safe, nurturing environment where they don't feel rushed. They feel like they're heard. They feel like they're in a cocoon. I said, listen, I'm going to envelop you in this safe cocoon at which point your transformation can begin. And that's really what. That's my goal now, that I create soft, nurturing spaces for each patient who comes through to me. I love that.

It's beautiful, beautifully said, described. And it's exactly what we need to heal as women, to be put in that loving cocoon and given the time and space to feel into what's right for us, to discover what's right for us, to rediscover ourselves, to transform into that butterfly. Because, like this quote you shared from Hippocrates, which I love, natural forces within us are the true healers of disease. And then I've heard it said that we just need to remove everything that's an obstacle to the body healing itself. And sometimes that negative mind space, negative emotion, emotional space, those are the blocks. And so if we can get out of the way. And I just want to reiterate what you said about having a guide. Every successful person. You know, I heard the saying, behind every successful man, there's a woman, right? But more than that, it's not that it's behind every successful person there is another person or way more people. It doesn't have to be male or female, but everyone who's, you know. And just think of Luke Skywalker, right? He had a teacher. You think of Ralph Macchio in the Karate Kid, he had a teacher. Everybody has a teacher. Everyone who's successful can see us as we truly are and help guide us. I love what you shared about having a lot of shame around your burnout. I had a lot of shame when I practiced regular OB GYN and I weighed 243 pounds and I looked and felt 20 years older than I was. And I felt so ashamed. I thought, everyone can look at me and see I'm not healthy, but I'm supposed to know more about women's health than anyone else. But I think a true teacher has walked the path that they're helping you to walk. And if they haven't, do they really know? Is my question. I question anyone who hasn't experienced what I'm dealing with. I think that people who have been through it themselves really do bring a uniqueness. And so I think it's almost a badge of honor. Oh, I've been there. I know what it is feels like. And it really resonates with women when they hear that. So I thank you for your vulnerability around that.

Thank you.

And I so want to keep talking. And we might have to do a part two, because there's. I love it when I meet a fellow physician who actually has had a lot of the same experiences. We can have a dialogue on a different level and perspective that I think really will touch a lot a lot of women. If you're listening, this is changing you, even if you don't realize it. And so if you like it, reach out and let us know and we'll do a part two with Dr. Tanya. But I want you to share with everyone where they can connect with you online. How can they access the gifts that you have? The Dreamcatcher workbook, the Destined for Joy workbook, your book that you've published. Tell them all the places so you.

Can find me online@tanyabobrun.com b e a u b r u n as in nancy.com on my website. You also have access to my Destined for Joy ebook. Going to have a link sent to you for my Dreamcatcher workbook because I think it's something that you. You have reminded me to reactivate this Dreamcatcher workbook. So I will send you the link for them to download. I'm on Instagram as Dr. Tanya Bobron. I'm on Facebook as Tanya Destang. I also work out of Satya center for Functional and Integrative Medicine, which is my baby. It's the first functional and integrative medicine clinic in my country, St. Lucia, but I think it's the first in the Caribbean, the first of its type in the Caribbean. So I'm very proud of it. I don't think there's any other a Caribbean physician who has the training that I've had as Western medicine with functional as well as integrative medicine. And my goal is really to reach as many people, but particularly women who are feeling that they've lost themselves, that they just don't know who they are anymore and they're just going through the motions. You living life in black and white, there's no job, Joy. You surviving and not thriving. I want people to thrive and feel vibrant and energized and filled with joy. Because what is the purpose of life if you can't see things in color? If you get up every morning and look at yourself in the mirror and you're like, you know, who's this person? I don't even know this person. And then when you look into their eyes, it's dead. I want the light back. I want the life back into their eyes. I want the life back into their soul. Souls. Because there's so many soulless women. And I shouldn't say soulless. The soul is there, but it's dull and is dimmed. The light. And the light from the soul is so dim that we can't even see. They can't even see their own light. They can't even share their beautiful light that the world needs. This is my book of bubbles, Buddha and butterflies. It's available on Amazon. You've just inspired me after remembering how the book came, that I still have a book that's on my laptop that needs to be resurrect, revamped and come out every so often, you know, it calls to me and I'm like, yeah, but as I was talking to you. So I am going to start looking at that with no pressure. I'm doing it out of a place of ease and joy. And that's where I'm at now, where everything in life has to be easy and simple and joyful. Anything starts to create too much angst and anxiety and stuff. I'm like, this is clearly not for me. It sounds like the lazy. And I take, you know, you just take the easy way out. But for me, I think that by now my life needs to be simpler. And somebody says, I'm now living my legacy years and I've really taken that on. Say these are my legacy years and how am I going to make the most out of that? By having as much joy in my life, but yet being able to share this joy with people and inspire others to share their joy. And just imagine if all of us were just. Just imagine the joy coming out of our hearts and our souls and each person just sharing that. How different our world would be if we just freely gave. Just give, just give without over giving, of course, because you know our tendencies to give and to give and eventually our everything gets sucked out and we just left deplete. And I'm like, oh, okay, maybe I shouldn't have given so much. So yes, I am available on my website, on Instagram, on Facebook. I don't do LinkedIn as much as I should, so. But I am on. No, there's. Yeah, yeah, I was told once, pick two platforms and use them. So my main one is Instagram. Then I'm on Facebook as well. Okay. And I just want anybody listening for them to understand that you are exactly where you're supposed to be. As dark and deep as you think your dark night is, it gets better.

It does gets better. And I thank you so much for sharing your beauty, your brilliance, your journey, your bubbles, butterflies, Buddhas, everything that you've shared. We'll have all the links in the show, so if you're driving, don't worry about writing it down. We'll get all the links and put them in the show notes. Thank you so much, Dr. Tanya, for sharing your journey and just everything you shared. I can't thank you enough for joining us today.

Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure.

And thank you for joining us for another episode of the hormone prescription with Dr. Kieran. I know you are inspired. I know you're going to go download the Dreamcatcher workbook because I'm telling you these are some great thought provoking questions and the quality of your life is really governed by the questions that you ask. So make them great questions. Thanks so much for joining me today. I look forward to seeing you next week for another episode. Until then, peace, love and hormones, y'.

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