Learning our Worlds through Language - A Conversation with Kevin Belin
10 Nov 2024 · 39 min
Kevin Belin, director of the Diné Bizaad Institute, explains how Navajo language shapes worldview and identity. The language has up to 95 ways to say "I walk" and embeds cultural concepts like viewing hunger and laziness as monsters. Belin describes teaching practices at Navajo Prep and the ongoing work to reverse decades of forced assimilation through boarding schools.
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Welcome to the Future Learning Design Podcast.
When a person does not know where they come from, they do not have a sense of pride in their heritage. It can be very detrimental to how that person sees the world and their place inside of it.
Hi, and thanks for joining me for this week's episode. My name's Tim Logan, and the podcast is produced by Good Impact Labs. Something we often forget is how powerfully our language shapes how we view each other and the world, and how we interact as part of it. And for that reason, it's a key part of what we do as educators in helping young people to understand their experiences and the culture in which they grow up. This is both as a means of relating and communicating as educators, and as a set of skills that our young people acquire. This week, it's a huge privilege to be able to welcome Kevin Belim onto the podcast, who is the director of the Diné Bazaar Institute and Navajo language teacher at Navajo Preparatory School in Navajo Nation in the south of what is now known as the United States. Kevin is also the owner of Hashk'e Hojo Design and Collaborative, as well as board member of the Saad Kili Language Nest in Albuquerque. He also served as adjunct instructor with Diné College Navajo Cultural Arts Program.
Thank you, Kevin. So firstly, thank you so much for joining. It's a great pleasure to see you again after our previous meetings at Through Festival of Hope and with the amazing students you have there at Navajo Prep. I'm extremely interested to have this conversation with you about language. But first, before we start, I just wondered if you wanted to just briefly introduce yourself or make any opening remarks. That would be great.
Yeah. Thank you. So let me introduce myself and the way that we instruct our students. So we tell our students that to introduce yourself is to connect yourself to the world and to the audience around you. And it's a vital part of our instruction and values here at Navajo Prep. So, ehote. So, yaate, uh, ta'nooskotaasinoos'agee. She Kevin Belindian, shee'adoh toodeechee niidee'enshla. Oge, ee'poshishindee, taadnisaa'nee dasheeshidee. So in this way, we introduce ourselves, and there's 4 components to this. There's my clan and all the relationships and kinships that we have out there, then my name, where I'm from, and then also my job occupation. And so how am I identified as a leader? And so that's my introduction.
Beautiful. Well, thank you so much. And actually it is exactly part of, it feels really resonant with the topic of the conversation that I would love to have today if we can, because I've, I've been thinking a lot and reading and learning a lot recently about the role of language in the way that we kind of inhabit the world, meet the world, but also teach our young people. And it's clearly, you know, I was actually thinking the other day, what would education be like if we had to do it in silence? So the role of language takes, plays a really significant role in how we meet and school, in inverted commas, our young people. And, and broadly, much more broadly than that, educate our young people. So, so I'm super excited to have the conversation, but I just wondered if you could perhaps, cuz given your role is very much holding that at Navajo Prep, and I think you're the, the head of the Center for Language Learning and, and a big part of your role is about the integration of language and culture, which you've already kind of said, but perhaps you could talk a little bit about what the role that Diné bizaad takes in the life of the school. Firstly, just to get a broad understanding of how the Navajo language, the Diné bizaad, is a part of the learning at Navajo Prep.
So as you, you indicated, what would learning look like in silence, right? That was my whole childhood. Essentially in the BIE system of learning. So BIE is the Bureau of Indian Education. That's really what's available on the reservation, right? And most, the majority of it is you sit in silence, listen to the book, listen to the teacher. You only speak when spoken to, like that militaristic model that's still coming back from residential boarding school mentality, right?
Yeah.
And so I remember when I used to get in trouble, we used to get in trouble for speaking out of turn or whatever it may be. We were told, go stand at the wall. So you stand feet apart with hands to your back and nose to the wall. And that was discipline during that time. And so when we talk about learning in silence, that's what some of us grew up with. And it might still be the case in a few isolated places, but for the most part, you know, we are moving in a better direction each day and each year. My role as the director of the Nezahzad Institute, which is the Nezahzad meaning, the "neh" means the people or people, "b'zad" meaning their language. And so I oversee language and culture here on campus, and I really enjoy teaching the Navajo language. And my passion for teaching the language took me out of the classroom. I really tried to stay in the classroom, but I know Ms. Pecenti, our head of school here, thought that I needed to spread that around essentially and ensure our teachers have that same passion too as well, I guess is what she was looking at. When we look at Navajo language and why it's vital and important is that when a person does not know where they come from, they do not have a sense of pride in their heritage, it can be very detrimental to how that person sees the world and their place inside of it. We see a lot of this with the African American community where, you know, their communities are still trying to figure out where they're at after they've been stripped of that due to slavery and hundreds of years of oppression. And so with our students as well, the oppression started with residential boarding schools, and it was the policy of save the man, kill the Indian. And so essentially they did their job. The federal government, both in the United States and Canada, did that well. We know there are dozens, maybe hundreds of languages that are extinct now. There's hundreds more that are endangered within the US. And so our— my job here is to help our school and to help these future student leaders, because that's what our motto indicates. It is kongo na tani, tomorrow's leaders leading into the future. And so we build up our leaders here, our students. We, we do our best so that these students have a lifelong learning journey and where they understand and begin to appreciate their language, their own language, because that's really what's happening is that we're at a point where forced assimilation was a tool, but now it seems as if assimilation is welcomed and that our language is being pushed aside, our cultural ways of doing things, of understanding the world is being pushed aside because People are not motivated to learn a language that has been viewed as a hindrance to succeeding in this modern world.
Yeah. And you see, that's interesting what you say, that the patterns you're seeing in the assimilation almost voluntarily, like, are you seeing that changing with young people and their relationship to the Navajo language?
Yes. And really what it stemmed from again was the residential boarding school. Where my parents, my grandparents, and I can see it in my parents as well, where they had the notion that if you learn Navajo, you are not going to succeed in this capitalistic world, this Anglo world. And so I remember growing up, I only spoke Navajo with my grandma, my grandfather, my mom and dad would occasionally speak Navajo, but they never taught us. Essentially, and Navajo became more the language of the elderly while English became the language of business and everyday transactions.
Yeah, sure.
And so that's where now the generation that we're teaching in school, they're the products of the parenting models. And so now it's coming to a point where we still have a lot of families that uphold Navajo culture, their tradition, their heritage, and their language. But for the most part, our students— we are starting to see levels when we do our pre-assessments. The students coming in are speaking and understanding and comprehending Navajo less and less and less.
Yeah. Wow. And it— yeah, it's interesting because one of the things you— what you said, and similar to what you've already said, but on the website I noticed you see your role as a bridge to understanding the complex concepts. And I won't attempt to pronounce them, but that's one of the things that I'm really interested in. My background's in anthropology, but just really understanding how does, if you lose the language, what are you losing in terms of, as you say, complex concepts of the cultural, the depth of rootedness and cultural understanding that comes with the language.
This is, I could do like a 2, 3-hour talk.
Let's do it.
Yeah. So the phrase is sa'ah nagay beq'eh hojjon. Sa'ah nagay means into old age I walk, right? And we have a golden age of 102 that we all should obtain. Beq'eh hojjon is the pathway to living and obtaining that long life. And so when our students and people, you know, a lot of people that are going through traumatic events and they're coping with alcohol, drugs, whatever it may be, They often say, I was never showed the pathway, right? I don't know where to go. I'm lost in life. I'm just stuck. I'm complacent here. And guilt, blame, shame, denial, and regret, these are 5 monsters that can hinder a person from moving forward. And so our grandparents, Grandma, Grandpa, has told us how to live that good life, how to obtain that golden age of 102. And it's not easy. The first thing we're told to do is wake up early in the morning. Hayos kaspi gejaga. So we say that point in the morning time when the stars are shining and the eastern sky begins to become blue, that's when we wake up. That's when you should— then you wash your face. Hani trachikis, hatsi trachikis. Hach'aya hats'is ba'chos'osh. You wash your face, you wash your hair, you wash your armpits, you wash off all of yesterday's sorrows, yesterday's hardships, everything, because today is a new day. When you finish washing up, you drink some water, then you meet that beautiful sunlight that's starting to come up. Now the sky is becoming a little bit more blue. And in that moment, you connect with Mother Earth and Father Sky, and you start to pray for yourself. And when we say prayer, we communicate with our mom and dad, Mother Earth and Father Sky, and we begin to plan out how our day is going to be. We visualize what it's going to be. No matter what comes at us, no matter what hardships or challenges, we've already set a goal for ourself. And the holy ones, the holy people, we call them the NDNÉ, have heard it, and it'll be that at the end of the day. And so to speak the language is to connect with these entities. There are so many beautiful songs and prayers. It's poetry. I sometimes see it similar to, to like the epics in Beowulf. So our ceremonial systems follow essentially that epic poem. The songs and prayers, we become the hero of that story. We embody the challenges that they faced. And so we have up to 120 ceremonies, right? And so each of these ceremonies follow a hero in overcoming that specific challenge. But if you don't know the language, while their prayers are going, while the songs are being sung, it just goes right over your head. You're not understanding yourself as the character. You're not understanding the challenges. You're not conceptualizing or visualizing your journey, right? And how it connects to the past experiences of our ancestors. Because, you know, challenges and obstacles remain the same. It's just these monsters have different faces to everybody. And so let's go look at Guilt, blame, shame, denial, and regrets. These are 5 monsters that we all face. My guilt, my shame, my blame, my denial, and my regrets are not the same as yours. It's not gonna be the same as your students, right? Everybody goes through different things, but essentially the monsters stay the same. And so how do we use our ancestors' past experiences to help guide us now and into future? Because again, we're not going to change. If you look at, you know, the rise and fall of Rome, how can we look at that at the American system or any, any government, right? And so what are the similarities? What are things we should avoid? What are lessons that we should learn? And there's just so much to it. That's why we learn the language, and, and that's why we learn these cultural systems.
Amazing. No, it's really powerful. And then I guess it's, yeah, that those kind of things that transcend, that just are part of what it means to be human rather than in a particular cultural place. That's, that's obviously there's uniqueness, but there are some things which transcend, right? Which is, yeah, fascinating. Can I also ask you what, maybe slightly more technically, and I may be way off, but one of the things I'm also interested in is, cuz you talked about the, like how the language and the understanding the, the stories, et cetera, creates part of a relationship with the world. But I'm also wondering how much does the language itself in terms of, for example, being verb dominant or noun dominant? Because I've heard, you know, people talking about English as a, as a language is quite noun dominant, right? So things, objects are much more common than the doings of the verbs, right? And I've also heard the opposite with other, a few indigenous languages. I don't know how that relates to Navajo language, but do you feel there's anything there in terms of learning a language being a deeper relating to even just the way that the concepts form as you learn them through the language?
Yeah, so I have two things. I mean, the first one is how language shapes your mindset, right? And again, the research people talk about this often, how you learn a new language and begins to alter your mindset. And so one of the first ones I tell our students is if you're hungry How do you say it in English? You want food, you say, I'm hungry, right? And so, well, hello, hungry. I'm Kevin. You're hungry, right? See, you in the Navajo mindset, you would not say I'm hungry. Think of hunger as a monster. And there's 4 main monsters: hunger, sleep, old age, and laziness. And so we wouldn't say I'm hungry. In Navajo, the translation, if you were to say I'm hungry, you would say, "Dichin nisin." And so, "dichin" means hunger, "nisin" means I want, like to think about, I want hunger. So my mom and grandma would always tell us when they were going off to town while we were at the ranch or we're at the farm, whatever it may have been, we would tell our parents, "Mom, Dad, can you bring us back some pizza?" "Dichin nisin." We're hungry. My mom would look at us, or my grandma would say, "Ara de chindan no sine." Don't ever want hunger because you have able-bodied hands, you have able-bodied feet, you have a powerful brain in your mind, and there's flour, there's potatoes, there's carrots, there's ground beef, there's food. You have the capability to ward off this monster that is hunger. Go cook for yourself. And so it got to a point where we're like, we're not going to even ask for pizza or anything. But to think of monsters like that, let's say think of hunger and sleep. Like if you were to say, I'm tired, right? You would say, bish nisim. Bish meaning sleep. So you're essentially saying, I want this monster to overtake me, right? I'm tired. So you would say that. Most people say that, bish nisim. Ah, bish nisim. But then slow nearby elders, grandmas or grandpas will say, well, go get moving, don't be tired, go do something, go do this, go to sleep at a decent time, don't be going all night on Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, go to sleep at a decent time. Exactly. And so, and then that comes to emotions. So if we say, you know, shahad shik, I'm angry. Think of anger as a monster. I always tell the kids the movie— is it Inside Out with the little emotional—
yeah, yeah, exactly.
And so we tell our students, don't be angry, don't let anger overtake you. You're allowing anger to sit next to you, you're allowing anger to dictate your reactions. But if you're to say, okay, anger's right here, I feel angry, how do I push anger aside, and how do I welcome back, you know, happiness and joy? How do I bring these things back into my life? And so the language says that, shahatchke, I'm allowing anger to overtake me. Na shethozhon dolik, I will feel happiness again, is what we would also say too. And so when you learn the language and you understand that portion of it, that's going to help A student, even myself, I'm doing that, right? When I get angry or frustrated, my mindset goes to, okay, I'm allowing it to overtake me. I'm allowing— I need to calm down. I need to sit here. How do I find— how do I find that silver lining? That's what I want. I want them to sit with me, not anger. Okay, the second part of it is when we teach our students the verb for I walk, there is 9 simple ways to say I walk. I walk, we two walk, and all of us go walking, right? And then the second form is you walk, you two go walk over there, all of you go walk over there. Then the third level, which is called third person, is they are walking. And I always tell our students, Navajo has always been gender neutral and non-binary unless you specify a man is walking, right? But for the most part, it's just they're walking, they, they too are walking, those, all of them, them 3+ are walking. And so when we try to tell our students na sha, neit ash, ney kai, na na na, na ash, na kai, na ga, na ash, na kai, and how do you use that? And we tell our students there's rules to how to use that, there's patterns and understanding how the— once you master the simple pattern, the rest of the verb learning is going to take place easier than it is if you fight it. And so that's just to say I walk. Now what if we were to say I'm thinking about going? 9 more ways to say thinking about going. And then to say I'm literally walking towards it. So yishach yitashikah. So again, there's that. It's another 9 more ways. Then to say I've reached my goal. Now I'm walking back, or I've reached it, now I'm walking back. And we have different modes, there's 7 different modes. And so when we counted it, there is 95 different ways to say I'm walking.
Wow.
And then to say I'm walking to, 95 more different ways. Again, it generally ranges from 75 to 95, somewhere around in that range. And so The hardest part for our students to learn is the verbiage. How do I use the verbs? When do I use this? When's it appropriate? But once they master that verb format, the patterns, everything else becomes a lot easier.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah, I'd read actually in my research that there was a lot of it. So all that's happening in the conjugation of the verbs, right? So yeah, I'd read that there were a lot of different ways, but that, that is a lot. And do you have any reflections about why there are so many? I mean, culturally, does that have— I don't know, I'm hearing you kind of say like there's a differentiation between I and me and one other person, and then me and three or more other people. Is there, is there cultural significance to that, or is it just—
I would, I would think so. So I just did the math really quick. So on a specific verb, there could be up to 756 ways to say— wow. I would think that there was a time in our hunting history and in warfare you needed to know specific numbers without saying, "There is 5 men over there," right? There are those 2 that are going, "I will go, you go." And instead of, you know, additional words to use, it was easier to embed it into the language itself. And so when we look at a single verb, the verb stem, there can be up to 17, 17 slots for prefixes. Yeah, so if we say na sha, that is 3. So a is your verb stem, na, and sha, sha, the sh indicates me. So you have your verb stem to walk around, walk, I walk, na sha, I walk about. And so when we add on to the root word before the prefixes, there's 17 slots for it. And so some of our verbs can get really complicated. And, um, this was done with Dr. Malvitya Chi. So there's one verb that has 11 different prefixes, meaning 'Some person has taken us from the edge back to safety.' So it is indicated like somebody was at the edge of a cliff, you know, right?
In danger. Okay, in danger.
So that has 11 prefixes to it.
That's amazing. But the fact that there is— and, and also that's interesting to me that there is a specific verb for that particular circumstance.
Oh yeah, yeah, I can see that. It's specific to the, to the location, specific to the time, it's specific to how many people are there. And then, yeah, when we look at the verb disjunct/conjunct prefixes, it gets very specific. And when I went to look at some of those prefixes, they're simple syllable sounds, but when put together, it can really translate to convey an extended sentence in just that verb.
Wow.
Fascinating. And how do you see the young people engage with it? As you— I mean, because this is sounding pretty complex to me, but for them it has another layer of kind of cultural connection or significance or not maybe, but how they're identifying.
Yeah.
How do you see them respond as they're learning?
So the only thing that we can do at Navajo Prep in the amount of time that we have with our students is give them the foundational knowledge to continue their language journey. We're able to give them simple verbs, we're able to help them, you know, with, with simple— not phrases— when in simple communication. Our goal is to try and get them to communicate and have intimate conversations with with their relatives, their elderly, right? So they can gain more knowledge. We want them to build up their vocabulary to where when we have a prayer, when they ask for a prayer. One of our students, he's an amazing student. He's gone through our program, and when he came in as a freshman, he did not know any Navajo. But when he exited our program on the day of graduation, He was asked to do the, you know, our schools, we really support prayer. And so at graduation ceremony, he did the prayer for the graduation and he performed a ceremonial mountain song to give strength to our students. And then during his little speech that he was given, he said 80%, 90% in Navajo. And to see that and to see that he's understanding the ceremonial concepts at a deeper level, and he's understanding the framework of how prayer works and how there is that framework, but also how he's interacting with the verbs. Because in our prayers, we would say, like, if we're praying for the strength from our mountains, we say, bichente ya, bichente ishash, bakat, be yajit ni ya, bakat jasi ya. Bekaja hasiyat adab atashikinj atah nasha atasiya atkonasha behojonasha. You know, those kind of verb systems sound similar, but when you deeply understand, it takes you on a journey visually. It could take— it takes you on a journey to where you're at, going to the mountain, going up the mountain, celebrating coming back down and finding a safe trail, coming down the mountain, and then celebrating once again your accomplishments. And so there's that prayer format where if you don't know the language, it just sounds like another language, right? But if you're able to understand and build that vocabulary and, and really interact with the verbs, you start to see yourself in that journey going up the mountain and coming back down.
Amazing. That's beautiful. So even, even if you're just listening to the language, it also takes you on that journey. Not— you don't have to be the one saying it. Wow, fascinating. Because that was the other part of what I find so interesting about it, is that language somehow, as you, you inhabit the language, you also inhabit the, the land or the culture or the— you know, it really, I think for everybody, but, but I think in many cultures it's just become this means of transferring information from one place to another, but actually thinking about the depth of language from where it's come from, how it's evolved over time in English or in French for me, from Latin and from all the other roots. They're journeys, right? They're fascinating journeys that they come through in the evolution of the language.
And so our language really ties us to the land. That's the other thing too, is in our identity, remember I was telling you, in my introduction where I'm from, right? Yeah, and where we're from, because of the area that we're in, the geography has helped to shape our language as well and help to shape our mindset and culture and society. Because there's so many rock formations where we're from, like where I'm from, I would say Tsebo Asne, where the lightning struck the rock. Where you look from to search and hunt for antelope, right? And most of our landmarks are based off of rock formations or where water can be found, right? We're in a desert.
Yeah.
And so if you can find these land and rock formations, you will find water. And so when I travel and, you know, when I go across America, the US, it really saddens me because I look out and I see a prominent geographical feature, maybe a river, uh, where the river wise or whatever it may be, right? And I think that place had a name. That place was, has a history, has a story. Somebody somewhere gave it power, but because of forced Indian relocation, a lot of those tribes, you know, and again with assimilation and all the things that have happened. These landmarks have lost their names, have lost a type of cultural value to it. And so I know in, in the U.S., some cities or some places still have that Native American name, like Tallahassee, right? Might have been Seminole in Florida. Manitoba in Canada might have had— there may still be that name connection, but for the most part, most places, I'm just saddened by have lost those names. And so that's one of the things I'm trying to, you know, instill in our students is that don't lose the name, the history, and the cultural significance and value of where you're from. Go learn and ask for it. But again, our students can't do that. They can't communicate and comprehend if they don't know the language.
Yeah.
So we're giving them the tools to go and learn their history and to preserve it.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, absolutely. But, and also just struck me as you were speaking that they can't do it on their own, right? So like there's the part of, maybe part of the role of the institute is building up because they need community to be able to be holding these things and growing these things more broadly. So it's important work. Absolutely. And it, how do you, I was curious when they leave you at Navajo Prep, what's their learning journey like when they go on to wherever they go, college, university? Into work, into apprenticeships, whatever it might be. What's their relationship with the language then? And obviously they're all going to different places, but I'm just, you know, what are some of the things that you see in terms of supporting the work that you're doing and continuing that learning?
I think for the most part, we don't have a lot of information on alumni, and that's probably an area we can work on better. But with the few students that I know, they have become disconnected because their college or university have little to no Navajo connections, right?
Right.
So I know one of our students that's, that's going to Yale. He has only been able to find maybe 15 other Indigenous students, Native American students, and there are a few Navajos, but they don't know the language. And so when he visited me a month back ago, and he's graduated 3 years ago, 4 years ago, he lost his Navajo because there's no way of him practicing with other students.
Right.
I was talking to him before he left, he was really communicating really well. But when he came back, he was struggling to communicate and comprehend. And so it kind of hit him, it hit us that In just that amount of time and just those few years, he's struggling. And so one of the students that also graduated last year, he's following me around as kind of like my apprentice. And so now I'm constantly talking with him in Navajo and he's doing a lot better. He really is. He's getting it. But you need to have that practice with somebody. Need to have those conversations. And so I'm not sure how some of our students are faring with the disconnect that, you know, with, with language and culture, because on campus we widely spoke it, right? Now we had various opportunities for them to engage with cultural learning, but I'm not sure how it is now that they've left Prep, right?
And I mean, that's, that's a real tragedy in many ways because it's because of the amazing work that you do. And I've, from what I've understood, I've never visited myself, but I've understood that, you know, Navajo Prep is a pretty special place for the way that you enable that learning culturally and linguistically and more broadly. But I've met a few of your students and they are incredibly impressive young people. So you're obviously doing some amazing things, but yeah, I hear you. It's really sad to then imagine them going off and losing some of that work that you've done, right? So maybe just to finish, where would you like to do more, like with the Institute and your aspirations for this work? How— where do you see that you'd like to kind of continue to develop it?
So when our school— we're constantly planning and revising, updating our strategic plan goals. Sure. And strategic plan goal number 1 focuses on Navajo language, culture, history, government, and and other Indigenous languages. Currently, right now, I really want to increase my presence throughout all departments in our school. Number 2, we're at a place now at Navajo Prep where our students can now share their knowledge with local schools. And so we started doing that last year where—
Amazing.
Where we, we started inviting some of the local schools to celebrate with us and whatnot. One of our cultural week, Kozhonašá week in April, we invited again a local elementary school. But now we're at a point where we can start sharing and we're going to open up to other schools, to our feeder schools. We're going to open up to other teachers and provide PD because our teachers here are amazing. And we need to share that with, with feeder schools and other schools and see, you know, our success. And when we talk about our success, our amazing team has really prepared some of our students. Our Navajo Nation government, through the Department of Education, yearly assesses students, 12th grade students, and those that succeed obtain what they call the bilingual seal from the Navajo Nation on their diploma. Sometimes that comes with, if there's available funds, they sometimes receive scholarships, right, and a recognition. And so last year we had 12 students from across the Navajo Nation. That's, I believe, 67 schools, K through 12, various schools, right? And so I believe they had 150 Seniors that applied and went through the testing, but only 12 were able to achieve language proficiency as determined by their office, right? And so of those 12 students, 7 came from Navajo Prep.
Amazing.
And we are just— we're excited, we're proud, and we don't take credit for their achievement, but we do say we did support them in that. Process and prepared them well enough, you know, because a lot of those students do have parents or grandparents in the home that speak Navajo. Some of them went through immersion programs, some of them had really good elementary and middle school language programs. And so, yeah, and we helped them to support in that. And so that number is dwindling. Last year, I believe there were only 5 awardees, and from Navajo Prep, we had zero. The year before that, I think they had 6, and Navajo Prep had 3. This year we're expecting 10 students to take that bilingual achievement test, and we're expecting all 10 of them to, to achieve that, that seal of proficiency. So we're pushing our students. We've hit the ground running.
Amazing. No, it's— I mean, it's such, it's such amazing work, and I thank you so much for taking the time to share about it because I think, I mean, broadly, it really resonates with me and the things that I have been— where I talk about with guests on the podcast about the way that the education is moving and needs to move. And some of that is about a real reconnection with identity and culture and place. And obviously language is such a huge part of that. So no, I so appreciate you sharing your successes and I deep gratitude. It's such an interesting topic and thank you very much for everything you do and for sharing about it today.
Meh, thank you.
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