Proactive Psychedelic Therapy Future of Disease Prevention with Dr. Beth DuPree

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All right, so we're all, like, on our own journey, right? Like, we're on our own personal life experience. And along that way comes great moments of transformation and love and happiness and joy and sometimes traumatic experiences. You know, my wife, this summer we celebrated her 10th anniversary of survivorship. And I know firsthand what it's like to go through crisis. And there's all different types of crisis, but the human brain, how it processes and stores crisis, and does it ever get back to life and joy? Well, in this episode, I want to talk with you about the path forward and what's happening in the latest research and discoveries of how humans that go through crisis can break through on the other end and then rediscover their joy and get back to the joy of living. And all of that's coming up when Dr. Beth Dupree joins me after these words.

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You know, along the way in life, we find people that are. That are freedom fighters, that help people, that guide them to their freedom and their next path. And yes, I'm already getting emotional and I haven't even gotten started yet. I met somebody along the way that changed my life. Her name is Dr. Beth Dupree. She is an incredible breast surgeon. I'm on the board of the American Society of Breast Surgeons Foundation. She's one of the top breast surgeons in El Mundo. She's an integrative medicine physician. So think of where east meets west. She's also certified in psychedelic assistance, therapies and research. Dr. Beth Dupree, thanks for joining me once again on the Todcast.

I love being on the Todcast. This is like one of my favorite things. Cause you and I, we don't get to catch up enough. And so, you know, getting an invitation to be on the Todcast means you get to find all the crazy stuff I've been up to since we were together last year.

Uh huh. And for the interest of full disclosure, Dr. Dupree is a dear friend of mine. Our homes are an hour and a half from each other. She lives in Sedona, Arizona, which is literally the greatest place in the entire world. And it's gorgeous. Go to Google, type in Sedona, Arizona, and then click on images and go down the rabbit hole and start planning your next trip. So Dr. Dupre's house is an hour and a half north and we drop out and visit each other. And she's a frequent guest here and I'm a frequent guest there, but we haven't gotten caught up since. Dr. Dupree, I know you were on the first episode, rightfully so, and you crushed the first episode of this podcast.

But the last time we saw each.

Other was probably when you had to be speaking in Phoenix and you stayed the night. And then there Sedona got snowed in and you turned it into two nights. And we sat up late and we drank great wine and told stories. Is that the last time we saw each other?

It was. That was I left your house that morning to go back east. It was my dad passed away, so it was March, remember? I was down there for a meeting and it snowed and I wasn't going to drive north. And then I woke up that next morning and found out that my dad had really bad pain. And I knew he was going to transition, so I took my little carry on that I had and drove to the airport and went back to Pennsylvania to spend an amazing weekend with my dad. And I got to tell you a funny story, because my dad was a jokester. You would have loved him. Can I tell you now?

Please.

I love, especially yours, my dad. My dad had. He was 94. He had been living with metastatic prostate cancer. And over the course of about six months, he had lost a fair amount of weight. So we knew he was dwindling, as we call it. And we had instituted hospice so that we could make sure that he would stay comfortable, but he hadn't been having any pain. And the morning at your house, I woke up and my sister Mary said, dad called at Five in the morning. He was having a lot of pain and that we now needed to bring more significant hospice, like potentially morphine or medication. So I flew to Pennsylvania, went to York, and actually took care of my dad, which was a great honor for me to be able to spend the night with him because he lived independently up until that point. And what I realized that night was that he could not be alone.

He.

He was getting up in the middle of night because his prostate cancer made his bladder fill up. And then he'd have to get up to go to the bathroom. And at 94, with a walker, having, you know, weighing like all of 118 pounds, and this is a strapping guy that used to weigh 200 pounds, you know, 5 foot 8. And he wasn't quite that tall when he passed, but he. It was a really tough night. And I knew that night that we need to move him to independent to assisted living. And so everything kind of came together, like the universe conspired. And the problem was he needed a Foley catheter. And they said, well, we can't put one in down there. He'd have to go to the hospital. He'd have to do whatever. Well, this is where you say there's divine intervention, because my dad had a tube in his gallbladder earlier, like a year earlier. And my sister Ann, God love her, saved the. She saved the catheter. Like, she saved a brand new catheter. So I had a sterile Foley catheter insertion set. A Foley catheter. And I said, well, if dad has a catheter, can he go? Like, I didn't want to take him to the hospital to do this. So anyway, we had all the stuff there, and I said, dad, listen, I can put this catheter in, but I'm your baby daughter. He's like, it's okay. So I had my sisters stay out in the hallway who couldn't handle it. My sister Ann was in there with me. And so I'm putting a Foley catheter in my dad's penis. And, you know, we'd give him a little bit of Ativan. I'm cleaning it off, and I'm going to put the catheter in his penis. And he looks up and he says, you're not going to Lorraine a bob at me, are you? No. 94 years old, still sharp. And he transitioned two days later. But he didn't have to get up to go to the bathroom. He was able to be not laying in a diaper and dying with dignity and transitioning. As sad as it is to say goodbye to someone that you love, knowing that you're making that journey better for them. And that's part of the work that I'm gonna be doing as I'm back on the east coast, because I'm going to be bringing some psychedelic therapy into palliative care and hospice care. And I wish that I had had it at that point for my dad, but it was so apparent to me how needed this transition time is for families. So it was a great gift to be with him before he transitioned. And, yes, it's been way too long since we've been together, because that was back in March.

Yeah, that's far too long, especially for dear friends. And so thank you for sharing that part of the story. And I think it gives everybody an indicator of the freedom fighter that you are for people and you always have been. And in my home, you've been a freedom fighter for my wife and I. And I know a lot of people are struggling with trauma from events. What are we discovering now about psychedelics and psilocybin and even ketamine and how they're used to help people with traumatic experiences return to their life of joy? Like, there's an enormous amount of research going on now more than ever. Right?

There's a ton of research. And, you know, this is part of my humility, saying I didn't know what I didn't know. And I have had some amazing patients become my greatest teachers. And Alison Gruber is a blogger. She's hysterical. You would love her. Alison now lives back in Chicago, but I took care of her when she was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer here in Arizona. And she has been such a gift because what she taught me that I never knew about her, and she taught me this through the courses that we give to the young breast surgeons to train them about being better healers and better practitioners. Allison came and spoke to this group two years ago, and it wasn't her breast cancer trauma that started everything off. It was a traumatic medical experience when she was 12 years old and had surgery on her leg and how she was treated or mistreated. And that experience, that adverse childhood event, that event from her childhood, created the narrative in her brain, what we call the Default Mode Network, about how she was going to process situations in the future. Luckily, my sister sue, who lives in Australia, she does trauma work. And Alison was able to work with my sister to reframe those traumatic experiences, basically change the. You know, change that movie scene in her head. And that trauma work is the same concept as how psychedelic therapy works, because we all have traumas in our life. And what I learned during my training in psychedelic therapy is when we were watching the beautiful stories that had been so wonderfully shared with us by the Mithofers as they were in training, as they were doing their clinical studies with mdma. MDMA is also known as Molly or Ecstasy. But MDMA is an amazing molecule that is poised to get FDA clearance for PTSD because the clinical trials through the MAPS organization have been so strong. But what I recognized and what I learned in that training is we all believe that the trauma from being in the military and what happened during war is the biggest factor for most of these veterans. But it's actually the childhood traumas that they held onto that potentially brought them to a place where they went into war, where they were putting themselves in a position where they'd be in harm's way because of feelings that they may have had from their childhood. And I know that for some people, they may think that is psychobabble, but it. It is absolutely not psychobabble. When we look at adverse childhood events, and these can be physical abuse, sexual abuse, just verbal abuse or neglect or a whole host of things that there's a score that you can give. It's called an ACEs score. And for someone to take that test and have an ACES Score higher than 4, they have a 200% increased incidence of cancer. They have close to a 2000% incidence of depression, a much higher incidence of suicidality. And so when we look at how we function as a society.

Can I pump the brakes real quick? I just want to. I want to re.

Ask something.

Go ahead.

That I think you just said. Are you telling me that people that have. And by the way, this is why I love Dr. Dupree and why I need to spend more time with her. Are you telling me that people that have childhood traumatic experiences have higher incidences of medical issues like depression or cancer or. Wow, that's fascinating. Okay, cool.

100%. Yes. And that's. And Todd, that's the thing. Like, I've been a cancer surgeon for 30 plus years, but up until now, I have not asked my patients those Questions for the ACEs. The ACEs scores. It's one of the things that being back in clinical medicine now, like, I'm going to bring. I actually am in the middle of writing an article for MedPage because people, doctors are not made aware as cancer doctors about the connection between the adverse childhood events. This is where, when we live in silos of cancer care and mental health, like this mental wellness piece, has to become a prime directive, a part of all that we do in everything in healthcare. And I have to thank Allison. Alison was my great gift because watching learning her story of her adverse childhood events and how it, you know, she's now living, you know, with her cancer, although it's stage four, is. It's kind of quiescent. She's kind of just chilling along with it, and she's living her best life because not only was she getting care for her cancer, but now we have given her the opportunity to heal those traumas that were driving her default Mode Network or her daily program. So it's interesting because I know you'll get this, because as we look at how psychedelic therapies can help us access those traumas to reframe them and then integrate this into your life. This is where Ernesto Ladono, he's a writer for the New York Times. He came to a breathwork workshop I was at, and he asked me, so do you think that if we can heal those events in someone's early 20s, are we going to see the level of disease in the 30s and 40s? And I told him that I believe that to me, this is the future of prevention of disease. Because if we don't address these early events that are driving how we think, how our bodies hold onto that energetic trauma, the body keeps score. Our bodies hold on to those energetic traumas and. And being able to heal them is absolutely essential, which is why psychedelics, I believe, need to come into cancer care.

Okay, I love it. So proactive. You're even seeing a path where proactive psychedelic therapy becomes the future of disease prevention.

That's my Beth Dupree's personal. It's something that I believe, and we need to prove it scientifically. This isn't about people going and dropping acid or taking mushrooms at a party. This is about the appropriate set and setting, using psychedelic therapy with the appropriate guardrails, where someone has the correct intake, the appropriate session to be set to someone sitting with them, and then the appropriate integration. So I'm talking about using the scientific method to bring psychedelic therapies into the forefront of not just helping our patients who are going through cancer, but potentially eventually looking at how can we prevent disease. And, I mean, I think it's going to be somebody else is going to be doing that down the line because I'm 62, so I know I got an expiration date at some point. But in the meantime, what I want to look at is early stage breast Cancer patients, single dose psilocybin. Following those patients for 10 years, looking at quality of life, looking at other medical issues, looking at the risk of recurrence, and studying that group of patients so that we can show western medicine, it doesn't mean we stop giving chemo surgery and radiation. It means that we will look at finding some root causes for why we get this disease.

And in this hypothesis, I think I heard you say single dose psilocybin, which would just need one treatment and evaluate them over a long period of time to see if it helped with their disease prevention. Did I hear that accurately?

Yes, sir.

Wow. So that would have to mean, because I can't think of anything else that would be single dose of anything that potentially could have this kind of impact and transformation on somebody's long term risk. Like that's jaw dropping.

When you look at these studies that have been done on the stage three and four breast cancer patient or cancer patients out of Johns Hopkins, they followed those patients for 9 months, 12 months, and the drop in depression, the drop in anxiety, those levels, and it's because in an entheogenic experience, and an entheogen means that you're giving someone something that they're able to access, a realm of collective consciousness where it shifts what happens in your brain. And I think I've told you, I haven't talked to you since I went to Mexico, but I've done legal journeys because obviously as a physician, I am bound by my license and morals and ethics and everything. I went to a retreat center outside of Toluca, Mexico. Unbelievable experience for me. It was. I had done ayahuasca before as part of my training. And it's not something like people are like, well, don't people get addicted to these things? There's no way I'm getting addicted to ayahuasca. I mean, it was an amazing, transformative experience, particularly this last time. But I'm not called to go do it again. It's not like I would raise my hand and say, hey, let me go to Mexico and do ayahuasca. Do I want to go to Mexico to facilitate journeys for veterans and cancer survivors? Absolutely. Because I know how transformative it is. And I had a really powerful experience where I literally was in the abdomen of this creature. I felt like it was a creature and there were no organs. So I'm seeing the ribs and I'm in this rib cage and I'm in there and I'm looking out and I. I'm watching everything happen around me. One of the shaman was there. And they're absolutely amazing. And these are, These are like PhD psychologists that are also trained in plant medicine. So it was an unbelievably transformative experience. And the prior time when I had done ayahuasca, I had purged not a lot, but a fair amount. But the first night I didn't purge at all. But I was, I stayed in the medicine like for hours. And it was just like a lot of integration was happening there. I was, I was being the gift of seeing how this medicine works. That second night we had taken medicine like eight o' clock at night. Now it's four in the morning. And my beautiful husband was there, had an amazing experience as well. And we had left the maloka, the place where we did the ceremony, gone to the kitchen, and Joe was hungry because we hadn't eaten pretty much that day. And I was still feeling in the medicine. And we got back to our room, brushed my teeth, laid down in bed, and all of a sudden I was catapulted out of my bed into the bathroom. And it was like Linda Blair was there. For those of you who haven't watched the Exorcist, it was like it wasn't even a purge, it was bad. And it was one evacuation of. I literally expelled myself out of that belly of the beast. But what I saw as the beast has been the dogma of western medicine that has not allowed us to see the power of other modalities for healing, like plant medicine and breath work and electroceuticals and things that are not created in a pharmacologic environment. And it was really freeing. I was like, whoa. It was kind of like, okay, now that doesn't mean that I give up what I know from Western medicine, because I know that surgery, chemo and radiation therapy are the mainstays to treating the physical body with breast cancer. That is what I do. And I'm still a damn good surgeon. But it means that when I look at someone with cancer now I look at really, how am I going to help that person's physical body? Because I could help physically remove cancer. I can cut it out. We can give the right chemo, we can give the right anti estrogen, we can give the right radiation therapy, but.

The root problem may still be there.

Bingo. And so that's where you walk between the worlds. Because I see the benefit of the work that I'm doing and that I've learned to do through my psychedelic training to be bringing our care to a higher, to another notch. And this is where people Talk about this is not alternative medicine. This is a complement to what we already know can treat the physical body. But we know that people's cancers recur against our greatest dismay that we can't cure everybody. And so imagine now having the ability to look at how can breath work, how can electroceutical stimulation of the vagus nerve, how can psilocybin, mdma, ayahuasca, how can these all come together? I look at this as tools in my toolbox. I got a big toolbox now. And in my toolbox I have all my western medical tools. And I've been really good at that. I'm very. I'm not going to say I can do surgery in my sleep, but I certainly know how to operate. Take that. And now combine it with my knowledge of these adverse childhood events, or as I call it, the baggage people come into cancer with and their baggage. Like, I mean, I'm sure you remember when he got diagnosed, suddenly everything changes because you have this existential crisis of I thought we had X number of years together, or I thought we could decide to have kids at 40 if we wanted to, or I thought we could have. And it's all those things. And so that happens for every single person. So that baggage is what I believe. We have been remiss in helping our patients to reconcile with or change that narrative. And that's the focus of my next chapter of my career.

Beautiful. I love everything about this and can envision a day where we not only cut out the cancer, but we also help free and liberate somebody from the destructive pattern thinking and the trauma that may be contributing to it. This is an incredible new chapter in the fight against cancer that has been overlooked and feels like it is an entire new universe that's ready to be explored from a western mindset out and Eastern mindset in. And you're like one of the very few people and I happen to know a lot, we have a lot of the same friends that are open to the eastern modalities. But what I really see out of you, and I hope people get to take away, is, you know, there are a lot of people, you mentioned your age, so forgive me, but you mentioned you're 62. And I know you're quite comfortable with that and you brought it up. And there are a lot of people, as you're listening to Dr. Dupree, who are like, comfortable in their work and in their passion. And Dr. Dupree is obviously hungry in her work and in her passion, and that hunger puts her in constant and never ending improvement and is doing so instead of slowing down, she's speeding up into a whole new chapter that's yet to be explored. And she's living with incredible passion. Did I define what's going on in you and how you use that to stay at the top of your game?

So, Todd, you were with me during my most difficult chapter of Western medicine. You know, where working in a health system where I wasn't heard, where there were opportunities to improve the quality and safety for our patients. And it was a system that didn't honor who I was, where I was asking for transparency, I was asking for help for the people who needed it. And, you know, I was called to be here. I was called to be in Arizona. That was a calling. And I know now that I did make a difference in that system. I did make a difference for so many women. But I also know that it was part of my journey, that it had to be me. And had I not broken, had I not gotten to the point where I had reached burnout, I felt inadequate to be able to change a process within western medical healthcare. But what it did was it gave me a gift because I'm like the anti drug conservative chick from the east coast whose father was a cop who said, there will be no drugs, no alcohol, no anything. I was kind of like the goody two shoes. Most of my friends my age, a lot of people that I realize now, they all did psychedelics for fun, like when we were growing up. And I'm like, absolutely not. Like, I had a drug testing kit in my house for my kids. So my. I know my kids never did anything. Like, they wouldn't. They wouldn't even go so far as to smoke a joint because they knew how I was. And it's interesting because some of my friends on the east coast are like, how does this happen to you? And I said, well, it had to be me, because if I was somebody who was a hippie dippy, you know, smoking joints and doing LSD or whatever, like if that was my history, I wouldn't be able to come into this with the credibility as the doctor who never. I mean, when I started my psychedelic training, it was interesting because I interviewed with Bill Richards, who did the research out of Johns Hopkins, and I said, bill, I don't know if you want me in this class because I'm a psychedelic virgin. Like, I've. I've not taken any of these entheogens. I'm here because I believe in the science. And I know that what I'm doing in Western medicine is not addressing the needs of my patients who come back to me two years later and they are still broken. This is where I think that it had to be me, because I now talk to a lot of people who say that an experience they had 40 years ago with a psychedelic maybe one time changed how their worldview. And I'm thinking, so right now I joke about this all the time, but I said I'd love to go to Washington, lock the doors of Congress, give them each like two and a half grams of psilocybin, and then everybody in that room would understand the collective consciousness of the world, and they would stop bickering about the stupid things that they don't agree on and find the common ground and move forward. As you know, we live in this beautiful, amazing country, and I just feel like so many people are divided and they need to know that we are collectively together on this journey.

Yeah, I love everything you just said. And I got the sense that you are interested in healing not only the local problem and where it has made itself known physically, but you're interested in the path of healing for the whole person. Because what you're really interested in is not solving just the short term problem, but what is the long term and what does that person's overall health look like. And it's so fascinating. I'm so inspired by this. But you've actually. When you got your work that you did with integrative medicine, and if I remember correctly, I think you did that at the University of Arizona with Dr. Andrew Weil. Is that the center for Integrative Medicine? Is that where you did my work?

I didn't do my program with him. I did his programs. But because I was early on, I got grandfathered in by passing my exams because I was. I'm old, okay? So I did my two different levels of integrative medicine, and there was a point in time where you could. It's kind of like where breast imagers now do a breast imaging fellowship. There are breast imagers who just kind of morphed into that. Like, I didn't do a breast surgical oncology fellowship because I was older, but I trained breast surgical fellows. So that's where I got my integrative medicine certification. But, you know, my work with like, Jay Harness, like, Jay, back in 2004, I think when I did my first talk at the American Society of Breast Surgeons about integrative medicine, and people thought, God, she's out on a limb. When I'm talking about nutrition and exercise and Everything else. Now our dear friend is becoming. He is on the top of the mountaintop screaming about exercise, oncology and the importance of how we, how our bodies can help us fight cancer. So we're shifting. I mean, we're shifting collectively. And I think it's just a really fun time to be in healthcare, you know, because I see the things we can do.

It's the most fun time. It's the most fun time if, and this is really a lesson for anybody that's listening. If you row your boat gently down the stream, eventually you're going to get into a slumber and you're going to follow the path of everybody else. But if you are a friggin trailblazer like Dr. Dupree, a frigging trailblazer that seeds need and opportunity and remains hungry and is willing to explore where the path takes you and then takes the data and evaluates the data, you can discover breakthroughs and transformations that can impact the rest of us. Dr. Dupri, crystal ball for me. Reach into your crystal ball. What is the timeline like for a potential psychedelic healing? For what ails us as a additive or a compliment to what's going on in western medicine? Like, are we going to see something like this in our lifetime?

Absolutely. The first that's going to happen. First of all, what we have right now is ketamine therapy is legal for refractory depression in the United States. And ketamine is a dissociative. It's not a psychedelic. It's a dissociative agent that we use for anesthesia. And it can be incredibly effective for cancer patients for three reasons. Number one, when a patient becomes depressed after cancer, it's not depression as we know it in the general world. It is an existential crisis with knowing that, my God, I have an expiration. We all have an expiration date, but when someone tells you, bingo, right? So we know that SSRIs and standard antidepressants do not work in that population any better than. So that is a group that I believe right now benefits from ketamine therapy, which is cancer patients with depression. And it's something that can be really effective. And it's one of the things we're going to be instituting on the East Coast. Second thing is, we know that ketamine pings the NMDA receptor, so we can drop the level of someone's narcotic use during their transition from when they're in hospice or palliative care. So if you can drop the narcotic use and Increase the ketamine. The ketamine keeps them awake and alert with their loved ones. Imagine being able to talk to someone as they're transitioning instead of having them so snowdomorphine that they can't be there. Right.

Amazing, right?

And then the third thing for me is when someone is facing that transition, to be able to have an experience where they get to feel the connection to universal consciousness. It's a big gift to know that you're not going to a deep, dark hole, that there's actually this other world, this realm which, you know, I. It's loving, caring, warm, and that our souls are eternal. I believe with every fiber of my being that our souls are eternal. I believe I had an experience recently. I don't know if you remember this. The end of August. We had a really bad storm in Phoenix. It's called a haboob. It's when these winds come in and they're crazy. So I'm sitting in the airplane coming back from Philly, and we're coming into Phoenix on final. And out of the window, I see this thing, and it comes toward us and literally picked up our airplane and tossed us. And so much so that, I mean, people were puking and crazy and jumping around. We had to divert and fly into Tucson. And the captain came back and he said, listen. I mean, you could tell, like, everybody was rattled. Like, this was. It was bad. It was so bad that over half the people the plane got off in Tucson. They're like, screw it. I'll rent a car and drive to Phoenix. But I will tell you what happened to me when that happened. I saw that come as the thing lifted. The big dude next to me was like. He was. You know, we were in first class. He had a couple cocktails, but he was like this. He never got back on the plane. He never came back on the plane. But I sat there with this piece, this sense of calm going, well, if this is it and this is. This is how it ends, it's okay. Because I feel like I've lived my life with truth. I'm gonna cry now. Like, I've lived doing what I needed to do, doing what I feel I've been called to do. And because of that, I just had this tremendous sense of peace. Like, hey, if this is it, people are gonna say, hey, she was a good chick. She did a lot of good for the world. That was good. It was really good.

You're amazing, and I'm honored to call you a dear friend. And for those that wonder, this is the Kind of late night conversation around a bottle of wine you can expect at Todd and Wendy's house throughout the year with dear friends like Dr. Dupree. She is Dr. Beth Dupre. She is a breast surgeon, one of the top breast surgeons in the world. She's an integrative medicine physician and certified in psychedelic assisted therapies and research. And the work that she's doing right now is work that's going to impact us in our health and our healing journey and for loved ones. Dr. Dupree, where can people go to stay and follow your journey and learn more as you're discovering these breakthroughs along the way?

Well, you can follow me on social media. My addresses are rbethdupree, which is pretty easy. My website is Dr.bethdupri.com and one of the things I'm really incredibly proud of is my foundation, the Healing Consciousness foundation, which is hcf444.org and we're going to be doing some work starting in the new year with one of the technologies I'm bringing to the market, which is a transcutaneous vagus technology to help calm people. It stimulates the vagus nerve so it's very good at bringing people out of fight or flight and into rest and digest. It's a wellness product that's going to be happening in Pennsylvania through Redeemer Health, where I work part time and I'll be there a lot. This winter. We're going to be beginning our ketamine program through hospice, palliative care and oncology, which I'm very excited about. I'm working with one of my partners, Clay Keller, through Gateway Sciences. We have a ketamine clinic in Santa Monica, California. And I'm also working to bring a non narcotic pain patch through the fda and that work is continuing. It's a slug. But you know what? I feel like God brought these things into my path and all I can do is my best job to bring technologies and modalities into the world that I believe can be transformational. And I'm also going to work with a group called Heroic Hearts, helping veterans, and particularly a group of veterans whose wives have had breast cancer. We're going to help and I'll be traveling around the globe to help with that kind of work. So it's all good. And I'm coming to Todd and Wendy's for wine. And I'm not going to mention the winery because I can't. I don't know if. Can you say that on a podcast?

I think so. What is It. You can say, oh, okay. You can say it on mine.

I love my Caldwell. Right? Yeah.

The wine she's referencing is. This is a great story. And for those of you that stayed through the full podcast, now you get an additional treat. The wine is called John Caldwell. John Caldwell is an incredible winemaker in Napa. You won't see it in a restaurant, you'll never see it in a store. And it's all private list. And we just happened to have a blast with John Caldwell, who has, I believe, the only winery in Napa where all of the grapevines are originally from Bordeaux. And he smuggled them in across the border in the early 80s and didn't tell anybody the story about bringing in Bordeaux wine to Napa and until the statutes of limitation ran out. And why was Dr. Dupree kind of dropping an F bomb there? Because John Caldwell has a potty mouth. And on a lot of his merchandise, the wine is called or his name is written as John effing Caldwell and. Or John fucking Caldwell. And Dr. Dupree loves that. Our preferred wine glasses are Caldwell glasses, and we always make sure to give her the one that says John fucking Caldwell or the wine is Caldwell wine from Napa fucking Valley. And we get a big kick out of it and we laugh and it's a good time.

It's a great time. And if anybody wants to, they can go onto the HCF444 website. We have an event coming up in Pennsylvania. Our Humor for Healing is coming up November 17th, and we have wonderful things on our silent auction, or you can bid online for them. There's another winery, Todd, that you need to know about called Anderson Con Valley. Todd and his beautiful wife Sarah donated wines, amazing wines, which. That's the next wine you're going to get from me. I'm bringing down said midlife crisis. Midlife Crisis was a limited release. It's delicious. But the Anderson Cod Valley donated wines for our dinner that my kids are going to be cooking next weekend in Pennsylvania. So very excited about that.

Beautiful. Please tell your kids I say hello and send my love. For anybody that's wondering about transformation, it requires transformational results, require somebody to have transformational thinking, and that's out of the box thinking and wanting to apply different strategies into a already established area and look at it from a different perspective. And the reason, not only is she an incredible human being doing things for all of us, but it is transformational thinking that'll help you and your industry and in your business get to the next level. So you can serve and help people heal at a deeper place. And nobody teaches that better in my life than Dr. Beth Dupree. Dr. Dupre, thank you so much for joining me again on the Todcast.

We need a date.

We do. I'll make sure to reach out to you. And for those that need more, Dr. Dupree, and Lord knows we all do. Please go back to episode number one of this Todd Hartley show and sit back and listen to another incredible interview and conversation with Dr. Dupree. Until next time, everybody. More incredible people making our lives better right here on the Todd cast. Talk to you soon.

Yo, that was a powerful episode. And from what we just learned, it should be obvious how you can now implement these lessons in your life to get to the next level. Now, before you bounce, I just have three quick thoughts. First, thank you for taking me on.

Your incredible life journey.

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Sam.