#1 Disneyland: The Invention That Revolutionized the World Part 1

When he reached middle age, it seemed that we were going to witness an all too familiar process. The conversion of the tired artist into the tired businessman. When in 1955, he heard that Disney had opened an amusement park under his own name, it appeared certain that we could not look forward to anything new from Mr. Disney. We were quite wrong. He had instead created his masterpiece. I just read an excerpt from Walt Disney and the invention of the amusement park that changed the world, titled Disney's Land. And this was written by Richard Snow in 2019. The link of the book will be in the description. And real quick, since this, this is the first episode of the Uncommon Excellence podcast. I just want to go through. Why should you listen to this podcast? Or why does this exist? So I got a ton of books for Christmas and I'm. My goal is to go for my New Year's resolution. It's to read 24 books. Now, I know that sounds like a lot, and for me, I read like six books last year, which, you know, is decent, but I got like 24 books this year and I want to read all of them. And I know that's ambitious, you know, goal, but I wanted to document my process and kind of take a journey and help you help me in a way where I can help you guys learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs, history's greatest ideas, you know, businesses. And basically what we do is we study on the uncommon excellence of these people, ideas and businesses. And, and Disney is just the first example of this where, you know, Walt Disney was super into the details. And what people don't realize is that there is actually a lot of uncommon excellence out there. We can see this in Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Li Lu, Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett. You just go down the list, right? And the thing is the study of knowledge, or as Charlie Munger puts it, you can find billion. A billion dollar idea in a $30 history book. Why is that? Well, it's because as C.S. lewis put, as C.S. lewis puts it in a book, in the, In a history book, you can find ideas that have st. Have stood the test of time and it has gone through a body of thinkers to where it's been distilled down. And so I think what's really cool about the, about this podcast is we're not just studying history's the greatest entrepreneurs, or we're not just studying that. We're studying or, or founders of companies. We're studying ideas. So this could be extreme ownership and Jocko Willink. We're going to be studying biographies of Founders. This could be Disney's Land, which is the book I'm going to be doing a podcast on today. Or Walt Disney or Napoleon, the list goes on. Or just businesses like business books. So I have a book on Dell. Michael Dell was the founder of the Dell Company, which is a computer, I think a software company, but computer company. And the biggest thing is how can we find the uncommon excellence in these in this next year and how can we grow and get better and change throughout this year? And so that's why I would invite you on this journey with me to learn and grow. And we are only in podcast episode number one. And with that said, let's go and talk about Disney and Disney's land. So in 1901, Walt Disney was born to Elias Disney and to Flora Disney. He was the fourth child in the family. And of course, Roy Disney came before him. Roy was his older. One of his older brothers. But if you don't know already, one of his, one of the best helps to the Disney company ever. It is said that Walt was the more creative side and Roy was the financial side. Walt didn't like to deal with money, and so he left it all up to his brother Roy, because Roy was really good with that stuff and we can see it nowadays. And what's really crazy about Roy is he's just like, really dialed in at some points of this Disneyland story. He gets almost, like, worried. But the thing is, he ends up trusting his brother and that leads to the founding of Disneyland. So anyways, that's kind of a sidetrack, but. So Walt was born in 1901, I believe he was born in Chicago. And then kind of his early years, he grew up on a farm. He really loved it. He didn't have to do a lot of work, but he was very. Because he was really young and all of his brothers worked on the farm with his dad. And then he moved to Kansas City. His dad made him move to Kansas City. I think this was with his parents and they moved to Kansas City where he worked as a paper boy in the mornings. And it was really early in the mornings. He was waking up before sunrise. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, they would deliver thousands of papers a day. But he. He would get so tired that he would fall asleep while putting on his shoes to go ride his bike to go throw these papers to these houses. And so ultimately he does a little bit of that. And then he moves back to Chicago in 1917. And this is really interesting because he takes courses at the Chicago Academy of Fine Arts. And what's really interesting about this is his dad owned a jelly company. I believe it was called Jellyoroll or Zellio Roll, something like that. And his dad owned a jelly company. And he really wanted Walt to work with him. And he would pay Walt $20 an hour, which was decent at that time, because we're talking about, like, 19, the 1910s. And what. What's really crazy about this is Walt wanted to become an artist. And so he. He was talking to his dad, actually, and he was like, I want to become an artist. And his dad was like, well, how are you going to do that? And Walt says, I don't know. And I think what's kind of cool about that is it shows a vision. It shows that you don't need to have all the answers right now in order to become good at something as long as you pursue it. What ended up happening was Walt became. And this is later on in. In like, this happens in the 1920s. But Walt gets obsessed with animation. It's crazy. He starts going to the libraries, reading books, watching at least what he could at the time. He was trying to watch stuff. He was trying to practice animation. But later that. That's later on in the story. But this is. To go to. This goes to show that he knew what he wanted to do. He didn't know how to do it, but he was willing to figure out how to do it. And I think that's something really good that everyone can take away. If you know that what you want to do, you just gotta find a way to do it. And even if you don't know, that can even be a sign of greatness. That. That is uncommon excellence in that field. Right. And so not just working for someone, not just taking the job because you need it. Just because you want to make money. No, like, because you actually want it. And, like, you want to do it. Right. And so this. This strained his relationship with his father and his family, but especially his father. And he was eager to not run away, but to escape his family. He. He was kind of tired of it, tired of his family. And so, of course, Elias Disney did not support his desire to become an artist. And so he was determined to break away from his family's expectations, which was to enroll in this jelly company for his dad. And earlier it would have been the farm, but ultimately it was the jelly company. And so this is crazy. This is a crazy story. This gets me kind of hyped, but it's. It's really cool. In 1918, Walt tried to enlist in the military during World War I, but he was only 16 or 17 at that time. He was too young. And so he forged his own. He forged his birth certificate in order because he got rejected the first time. He tried to forge his birth certificate to make himself older on his birth certificate. And I guess his mom helped him. I've heard a story that his mom helped him do that. But he ended up forging an earlier birthday on his birth certificate. And then he became an ambulance driver. So they accepted him and he became an ambulance driver for the Red Cross. And this was cool because he got to go to France. He returned in 1919. But in France, I guess in the Disneyland book, it went on to tell you about how he would actually draw on the men's coats. And he would figure out like he. He would draw stuff on the men's coats to make it livelier and stuff like that, to kind of encourage the guys because he still wanted to be practicing his artistry even though he was in war and even as a ambulance driver. I think the main goal of that was to get away from his family or try to focus on, like, becoming who he wanted to become. And that was first getting away from his family. Now, important note on these people that we study or ideas or businesses, they're not going to be a hundred percent of what you should do. I'm not going to sit and read you a story and say, hey, you need to do everything that Walt Disney did, because it's not going to happen. So I'm not telling you to run away from your family. I think it's really interesting to study this. And ultimately it's studying these people and looking at, hey, what did they do? Really badly. So we can not do that and do a better job of that, but also do. But also take the good things from them and actually implement them in our. Into our own lives. Because there are countless people that have made billions of billions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars, and ultimately just. They ultimately just say, like, you know, I. If I were to go and redo my life, I would, because I didn't spend enough time with my children, or I didn't spend enough time with my family, or I was so busy chasing after the money that ultimately this is what it's led me to. And so I think the. The biggest thing is that this is not a blueprint or a straight. This is not a straight thing that you should just follow to the T. This is something that you need to understand and distill it into all right, what did they do wrong? So I can be better at that, right? If Walt was a bad father, then I should strive to do the opposite of that and be a good father. And if he was a good father, then I should become more like that. And so ultimately, you know, this is more for business, for, you know, people that want to learn and grow. And so this is all. This is what history is, right? We have, you know, persecutions, all these different things where the different generations or the different eras, like America goes back a couple steps because they're in a decline, and then they go up. And this is just history. And so you need to learn from history, but also figure out you need to take what is good and distill it down into how it can help you, right? And so anyways, he spent a year in France. He returned in 1919. And then after the war, Disney, he worked at a couple businesses, learning some advertising and animation. And then, like I was saying earlier, he just gets obsessed, man. He. He gets obsessed. And I'm gonna read this little thing in page 19, and it says that Disney immediately sought after more advanced technology. This is talking about animation, right? As he would for the rest of his career, he found books on animation, borrowed a camera and started experimenting. Soon settled on cellular cell, you, celluloid as the best medium for making cartoons. A series of drawings on transparent sheets showing a capering chicken or a running cat would be placed over a static barn or background, a barn, a city street corner. And these cells were photographed in sequence. Soon he was producing short cartoon ads he called Laugh O Grams, Laugh O Grams. And then he made longer cartoons from fairy tales. He went bankrupt in 1923 after completing ambitious project called Alice's Wonderland, a blend of live action on the part of a young girl and animated figures. And it goes on to say that basically Walt goes into just being obsessed, man. He. He gets so obsessed. Like. Like it says, he rents a camera, he goes through all these things, he reads books. And the thing is, it's like the phone. This is like the equivalent to the phone in the early 2000s, right? There's stuff there, but it's not clearly defined. So in other words, he's pioneering an industry. And the crazy thing about this is that people that pioneer an industry don't really know what they're doing most of the time. And they have to figure it out on the go. And so I think what's really crazy about this is that people think that you need to figure out what to do in order. You need to Be. You need to know what you're doing in order to figure that out. And the reality is that you just need to do it. All right? That's the Nike. That's the Nike quote. Just do it. And so he goes in and he starts pioneering this. Basically what ends up happening is he gets a contract for the Alice in Wonderland show until it loses interest in 1927. But before that. So he gets the contract from this person, I think I'm saying her name, right? And I think this is the name Margaret Winkler. And so this person gives him a contract for like six episodes of Alice in Wonderland. And so what ends up happening is Margaret Winkler marries, you know, this guy, and he kind of takes control of this, like, the financial operations. And so Disney. So basically Disney needs a middleman for the distributor to. So it's like when Disney talks to someone nowadays, Disney is their. Is their own distributor, but Disney meets with the Margaret Winkler. And Margaret Winkler was talking to Universal at that time. And Universal would distribute it out to everyone, right? And so what ends up happening was they do that for Alice in Wonderland. It's great. And then he makes a character called. Called Oswald Rabbit. And Oswald is one of his better successes. And so they end up getting to this time where they need to, like, renegotiate the deal. And it's been a couple of years and all that. And basically Disney goes to meet with Margaret's husband. And what Disney did not realize was he was not in control of his own company. And so what ended up happening was this guy basically took everyone that Disney had started training for his company. And so here is an Excerpt from page 20 to 21. And it's crazy what happened. So Alice ran out of steam in 1927. That's talking about Alice in Wonderland. And it ran out of steam in 1927. And Margaret Winkler had by then turned over the distribution business to her husband, Charles Metz, who urged Disney to come up with something new that he can market through Universal Pictures. Disney responded with Oswald, the lucky rabbit. This proves so solid a successful that early in 1928, he confidently went east with Lillian to meet with Mint and ask for more money. Mintz offered him less. So they were on this deal of 22.50. So $2,250. And Walt asked for $2,500 because he thought it was worth more. And what ended up happening was Mints because he knew it. He had control of different. Disney's company said, no, I'll pay you 1800. And Disney. Disney indignant, indignantly sorry, refused and discovered that not only did Universal own the rights to Oswald, but that Mintz had hired away his entire animation staff, save for I Works. And I Works was this guy that had stayed with him and actually started a company with him until that, that time. And so he went all the way up and what ended up H iworks had started a company years earlier, it didn't work out. And so he had become one of Disney's animator throughout this time. And he was the only guy that stayed on Disney's staff, which it was just him and Disney and one other person, which was Disney's wife and Disney. What ended up happening was these, the, the thing is this is not just animation staff, right? You, you, you hear the word staff and you think, oh, employees, people that Disney just hired on the spot. No, these people were people he trained at night to animate with him. So they animated Alice in Wonderland, they animated all this stuff. And so what ended up happening was they left him, they had moved to Los Angeles just for Disney and then they had left him to go work with Charles Mintz. And so what ended up happening was the steely, the steely distributor told him, either you come with me at my price or I'll take your organization away from you. I have your key men signed up. Disney never hesitated. But he and Lillian had a four long cross country trip, a road trip ahead of them. Who knows what happened on the anxious trade train ride. And so basically he denies Mintz's offer, he loses everything. He starts from scratch. And the crazy thing about this, and the most important thing about this is this is uncommon and this is excellence at its finest, right? He goes in to Reno Renegade, renegotiate a deal and turns out it, it's denied and he loses everything. But instead of saying, oh you know what, I'll accept that offer or oh, I'll just be done, he, this is legendary. He comes up with Mickey Mouse and this is the story. So he's on a train ride coming back home and this is kind of like myth or lore around how Mickey Mouse was started. But this is what people claim to or what Disney claimed himself, that this is how Disney started or how Mickey Mouse started. So Disney never hesitated, but he and Lillian had a forlorn cross country trip ahead of them. Who knows what happened on the Anxious tra. Anxious train ride. The conception of Disney's neck net's character is caught in contradictory stories. But Lillian said that while she sat brooding watching the green of the Middle west changed a sage brush and Desert wall scribbled out a scenario involving a comical mouse named Mortimer. This is crazy. Mortimer the Mouse. Think about that. Mortimer the Mouse. That was Mickey's previous name that he was going to call Mickey. He read it to her and all her worries about the suddenly uncertain future coalesced around that name. She found it ponderous, fussy and pretentious. For all her indifference to her her husband's business, Lillian Disney right then made the perhaps the most important contribution to it. Mortimer is a horrible name for a mouse. Disney like the lilt of Mortimer mouse. But after thinking it over for a while, he came up with a friendlier name. Back in Los Angeles, he and I works began to work up Mickey Mouse. Round head, round ears, short pants with two buttons, no gloves as yet. This was looking good. And it goes on to say how Walt or how Mickey was introduced. It was introduced in 1927 plane cartoon. And he didn't really say much or at least he didn't say a lot until a couple more cartoons and with Mickey or Mickey didn't say a lot. That's what I meant. And what's crazy about this is he kind of goes through the animation. This is kind of the animation period of his life before he reaches to Disneyland. And this is kind of the great build up because Disneyland is like what all these ideas are built off of. And it's kind of crazy. But what ends up happening, Mickey, this is. That's kind of the inspirational story. Mickey. See, the thing is you don't know how close success is to you. When you're in a time like he was. When you're in a time where it's uncertain and all that, you can doubt yourself. And Disney had this amazing capability of not doubting himself or at least when he would doubt himself, it ended up being its success. And so he. Disney's first big success was Snow White, which is kind of crazy because nowadays we're blessed with all these movies from Disney, or at least back then they, they had really good movies where we're seeing all these cartoons, all these. And they were really good movies. And so you don't really think of Snow White as being the success, but it was, it was actually the biggest hit of 1938. And that's kind of crazy, but it ended up pulling in 6.5 million. Now that doesn't sound a lot, but granted it's 1938. It is crazy what the equivalent of that is nowadays. Now, you know, like you look at like Moana and all these newer Disney movies and they're making or like Frozen's making a billion dollars or over. But this movie, the equivalent of $6.5 million is $145 million today. Think about that. That is in 1938. That's the equivalent if you pulled in that much money when prices, like inflation, was way lower. That is insane. That's crazy. And so this kind of cool with the success from the movie of Snow White, Pinocchio and Fantasia. I don't really know how to pronounce that, but that was also a classic. They were made. They didn't do incredibly well, but they did better than most. And so that was kind of his animation stage of life. And then this is where we get into the really interesting part of how Disney gets really into the animation or the amusement industry. So it all started with a train. This is kind of crazy, but Disney takes a trip to a train fair, and they're like old and authentic trains here. And basically, this is the start of the. This is like what gets the ball rolling. And so he gets really obsessed with trains now after Disney had gone to these fairs where he started to get obsessed with the trains. He was obsessed with the idea of a train around his house. And so what I mean by this is he names his first train the Lily Bell. And this train is like five, eight, realistic size. Like, it is very, very small. You can look it up, find it on YouTube. It is very small. And. And basically it's big enough for him to ride in and little kids and all that. But he loved it. And it was a fully functioning, fully functioning train. It went around his house. He bought this house on Carrollwood Street, I believe, in either Los Angeles or around that area in California. And so they buy this track. And what ends up happening was he bought it, and he gets the guy that went with him to the fair, I believe his name is Broge, he gets the guy that went to the fair to help him build a realistic train. And it was 2, 615ft of track. It had 11 switches, and it. It laid out. It could steam along for nearly a mile without passing over a stretch of the line twice in the same direction. And so Disney really liked that, but his wife did not. And so he wanted it going around the whole house, right? His whole property. And his wife had this garden. And what's really funny about this is they. They. The engineers were like, well, you could do a s around your wife's garden so you wouldn't have to deal with it. And he was like, no, I don't want to do that. But his wife was really resistant to that. And so what ends up happening is he. He builds a tunnel underneath her garden in order to keep the train in a straight track, which is just crazy. It shows how obsessed he is. And what ends up happening was after the train fare and a little bit before he starts building that train track, he goes into this time where one of his workers says, says this Disneyland was already forming in his mind, said Kimball. Of course, he thought it should have a full size. A full size steam train that he could have fun operating himself. On days when the park was closed. A couple of days after returning to the studio on August 31st, and that was after the train fair, he drafted a memo describing what he called Mickey Mouse Park. The main village, which includes the railroad station, is built around a village green or informal park. In the park will be benches, a bandstand, drinking fountain, trees and shrubs. It will be a place for people to sit and rest. Mothers and grandmothers can watch over small children at play. I want it to be very relaxing, cool and inviting. Around the park will be built the town. At one end will be the railroad station. At the other end the town hall. And adjoining the town hall will be the fire and police stations. The fire station will contain practical fire apparatus scaled down. And before he goes in, he goes into a bunch of like shops like the opera house, movie theater, toy store, hobby shop, magic store, old fashioned candy factory, all that. But basically what they talk about later in the book is that they scale this down to either five, eight or eight, maybe eight fists, I don't know. But it's not. It's a little bit smaller than a normal house. And that's why when you go to, if you ever been to Disneyland, California, all the houses or on Main street or pretty much every building's a little bit more scaled down than normal. It's because I, I think they wanted to make it feel smaller. And they were also going for a 1900s Main street feel. So. And they go through like what they wanted. So they wanted a horse car. The car would take them down the street to the railroad station. They want a western village, the stagecoach and the dock, the donkey pack train. And basically this was his, these were his first ideas in 1939. And think about this. Disneyland does not become a thing until 1955. So he is processing, planning this all over and over again. And what's crazy is that this is the conception of Disneyland. If you ever been there, like, we think it's great nowadays, right? If you've ever Been there. I'm hoping that you had a great time there. And that's because Disney really tried to make it awesome. But in the beginning in 1955, they were pretty much. They were like 80% of the way there, but they were not done. That's why there was un. Like the concrete was freshly poured the night before. Everything was, like, on the brink of not working. And it actually didn't get great reviews to begin with. And then it started working out. But basically, amusement parks were a totally different concept. So to begin with, Coney Island. Coney island was like, think about, like, when you go to your local fair, right? How there's the cotton candy and all the. All that, like the rides and carousels and everything like that. Think about that. That's what an amusement park. That was the definition of amusement park. We just think about it as fair now and, like, that's a fair. Well, Disney's land or Disneyland was supposed to defy the limits of everything. And people don't recognize that because now we are so blessed with Disney's pioneer, pioneering ideas that he changed. This is why the front cover is called Walt Disney and the Adventure of the Amusement park that Changed the World. It literally. There's Disneyland in Hong Kong, Paris. Like, you go down the list us, you know, And I think what people don't realize is this is crazy. And I think what also, if you want to take this and zoom out a little bit on your own life, the thing is you. There's going to be things. What makes a. A good business, or what makes a business good is that they're pioneering and they're taking advantage of what the industry doesn't see just yet. And the industry might be 10 years behind. And if you're pioneering that, then you are going to be ahead. If you know this is something that people would like, then you should just do it. And Disney was very blessed with that talent. I think it's something that everyone should cultivate. And if you notice that in your own life or you see somewhere that, hey, like, my business could be doing this because no one in that field is doing that yet. And this could be a huge money maker or this could be. This could be changing people's lives, then go and jump out and do it, because Disney did that and it made. I think in the first year, it made $24 million and he spent like $17 million to, like, to buy it. So they made a profit and they finally, a fun fact. They got out of debt in 1961 because they. They had to keep on getting like these loans from people. Because Disney, he was so excellent. He. He wanted the best of the best. Uncommon excellence. So he is uncommon. And what he was doing was excellent. He wanted the best of the best so much that he didn't even put a budget on pretty much everything that he did. Because to the point, like he. Whether it was the best movies or the best darn straps, as one of the guys in the Disneyland put in the Disneyland book puts it, he. He got to the point where they wanted the best of the best and he did not even look at the budget. That's kind of why Roy Disney was awesome and what he did, but also why, what makes Walt so great is because he didn't care about the money. He even said like, I'm not in it for the money. I just want to make people's lives better and I want to do something that I love to do. And I think that's kind of underappreciated nowadays. I think it's definitely praised nowadays. Like if you do. I know in one of NF's songs he says, I really respect you. Basically the gist of it is I really respect you if you're willing to take a pay cut to do what you love. And. And I know that can be really respected nowadays. But it is really hard to do because in order to take a pay cut to do something that you really want to do, especially when you have a family or you have responsibilities that you need to take care of, that is really hard to do. And we see these great founders, great entrepreneurs, great. Pretty much like uncommon people, they just become excellent in what they do. And because they're willing to take a risk. And risk taking, most people cannot deal with risk taking. And if you can develop a tolerance for that, that is what's going to set you far. You're going to be so far ahead of the game if you learn how to take risks in a smart, calculated way. And that's what I would really encourage you guys, if you get this from Disney, is Disney was a risk taker, but he did it to the best of his ability. And that was being calculated. He was a great salesman. And so I think the biggest thing that we can take away from Disney is that he is going to be. He strives to be the best of the best and he also strives to like, change industries. He changed the amusement park industry forever. That's why we have Universal, right? Universal is great. That's a great amusement park. And I know up in Idaho there's Silverwood. That's not really an amusement park, but they still have a theme going, and it's more Western, but there's still, like. It's those little change, like those huge changes that Disney brought forth that changed the whole world. And so. And just to think that it all started with a train, or just started, as the book likes to say, it all started with a mouse. It started with Mickey Mouse. And so Mickey Mouse was one of Disney's first, like, big successes. And then you go into his addiction with models and, like. And what I mean by models is, like, what I explained earlier, like, legos and kind of what you see at, like, a train, like a fair, but it's like the model train going around the track and kind of that idea. And he was obsessed with building those. He loved it, man. And the crazy thing is, he also got really addicted to trains. He loved trains. He was obsessed with trains. And this is kind of what kicked off the mood to what. What he. It was just a really good hobby of his. And so he built the Lily Bell, which was the train that he named after his wife. And the funny thing is the Lily Bell was actually the train that he put around his house. But then he named the Lily Bell, which is also the train at Disney right now, or it used to. At least they had, like, a couple versions of the Lily Bell at. At Disneyland. And so he ends up buying a house, and he goes on to putting the train track in. And what's really cool is I found this part in this last section of the Lily Bell chapter that says a few. A few years later, Martin Davis, an art director from Disney, had hired away from Fox to help in his still barely conceived amusement park. And he. Yeah. And he wanted to show off the train. I was pretty thrilled about the. Thrilled about all this. I got the impression that he was trying to give us the idea of what he wanted for Disneyland. He used his Carrollwood Pacific Railroad as an example of what he wanted to do next. There was a definite line between Walt's train at his home and. And. And what he went on to do at Disneyland. I think that's really cool. This guy used to work for Disney back in the. The days before Disneyland. And the Carrollwood Pacific Railroad was named after Disney's Road. That was. That was basically by his house. And so Disneyland. It's really cool that, like, this started with a hobby of his. And you can see how it's working in his mind, kind of like a clock where it's, like, clicking all together. And soon what ends up happening is he just, he creates the vision in Uncommon Excellence. And this is part one of this Disneyland series. I really recommend getting the book. This was a great book. This is. I'll leave a link down in the description. I will be coming out with probably three or four more parts. I'm only 40 something pages into this book in terms of podcasts and almost done reading the book, but there's a lot to cover and I can't wait to get just the journey rolling of the Uncommon Excellence podcast. Thank you for listening. If you've listened to all this, I really appreciate it. Please let me know in the comments if you'd like to support me. I will try to get something out there. If it's an email, if it's just anything but it, I really appreciate it if you listen to this all the way through. And I will definitely make sure that podcast episodes are getting better. I really value your feedback and I really just want to put the best. I want to be uncommon and excellent in what I do as well. And so I really appreciate you for listening to this podcast. Please go buy the book. This is a great book. I really recommend it. I've been going through, I, I have like a whole list of books I really want and I got a lot of them now. But this was, this is a really fun book to read. If you are really obsessed with like business books and biographies and business ideas and all that stuff, this is a great book. If especially like Disneyland is like a founder and he's an entrepreneur. He's a good risk taker. He's really uncommon and really excellent in what he does. And this is actually, this is a really good book. It's also a fun book. And so the history, if you've ever been to Disneyland, you know how special it is. I hope, I hope you had a great experience at Disneyland. It makes me want to go back there. So I will finish this book probably in the next four episodes, three episodes. And thank you for listening to this and I'll talk to you again soon.