Bob Sutton: Hallmarks of Great Bosses

Bob Sutton identifies what makes bosses effective: staying attuned to employees and balancing assertiveness with listening. He draws on research and real examples to show how the best leaders actually pay attention.
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What I want to do now is to turn to sort of the hallmarks of in tune bosses. So these are some of the main things that you as a boss have to do to be effective, to be in tune with people. And some of the main ideas in the book, the first one is being perfectly assertive. So there's this kind of cool literature. And one of the main researchers here is a guy named Frank Flynn at the Stanford Business School. And what they find is that when they do surveys of a boss. So would you want to work for the boss again? Who would you like to be like? Did the boss make you do your best work? Things like that. The thing that starts coming out in a number of studies more powerful than charisma, by the way, is the notion that the best bosses are rated roughly average by their followers in terms of things like assertiveness. Some of the measures you can see here, competitive, aggressive, passive. And it's not that the best bosses are medium all the time. Rather, what it is is the best bosses have that ability to. To sort of turn up the volume, to be pushy, to get in people's faces when they need it, maybe to give them some negative feedback and to back off when it's the right time to do that as well. So, again, this notion of being in tune with what it feels like to work for you and also being in tune with the needs of the person they're supervising and the group that they're leading, this will teach you. All right, so anyhow, so 26 years as an engineering professor, and I can't operate a remote control. Thank you, Forrest. Okay, so this leads us to Tommy Lasoria. Tom Byers and I were just saying the only time we've seen each other lately is a Giants game. So we're sort of out of practice. And being a Giants fan, I really hate Tommy Lasoria, but he had a great quote the first day that he took over as manager of the Dodgers, which was, I believe, managing is like holding a dove in your hand. If you hold it too tightly, you kill it. If you hold it too loosely, you lose it. And that's, to me, a pretty good capture of this notion that you've got to know when to push and. And you got to know when to back off. All right, so one thing that is, I think, important to emphasize here. Oh, this notion of being in tune in general is part of being a good boss. Since ETL is about creative work, it's especially, I think, important to emphasize that when you lead people who do creative work that's especially a time when first do no harm is especially important. There's a lot of research that shows that when you watch people more closely, when you ask them more questions, and you constantly evaluate them, which is, by the way, the way that most people in Silicon Valley seem to act as bosses, they send you the emails every 10 minutes to see how things are going. That, that stifles creativity. And the reason it stifles creativity is creativity entails a lot of failure, a lot of sort of long stretches of uncertainty. And when you start asking people more questions and evaluating them more often and giving them more frequent milestones, they start going to the tried and true so they don't screw up in front of the boss. So there's this notion of management by getting out of the way. One of my favorite examples you ever had David Kelly of IDEO speak at etl. You must have. So David Kelly, one of my heroes, founder of the D School and founder of ideo. I guess according to Tom, I should say I'm a co founder with him at the D School. But really it's David's deal, as it should be. David is the master of what I call management. By walking out of the room, he does this thing, and I've probably seen him do this 50 times in my life, where he'll sort of convene a meeting and if things are going badly, he'll stay in the front of the room quite a while. But when things go well, what he does is he walks to the back of the room and then he walks out because he's of the opinion, although David is as nice and mellow a leader as you've ever met in lots of ways, that the fact he's an authority figure can sort of mess things up. So that's somebody who sort of acts like this. And my favorite quote here, I once did a panel with Bill Coyne, lead R and D at 3m for over a decade. After you plant a seed in the ground, you don't dig it up every week to see how it's doing. And one of the problem with the ethos of management, again, there's this sort of myth that the more we're in people's faces, the better they're going to do.
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