Studio Kid Confessions: What It’s Really Like to Be the Owner’s Daughter

Hello, friends. I'm Amanda Barr. And I'm Rebecca Lou Brennan. And welcome to Dance Principles United, the podcast. Together, we are passionate about helping studio owners with the business of running their studio. Join us as we talk everything from marketing systems, studio culture, motherhood, life, and everything in between. This is the Dance Principles United Podcast. Hey, friends, and welcome back to a very special episode of the Dance Principles unit United Podcast. I'm here with my very special guest, Bibi Lew Breton. Hey, baby. Hey. How you doing?

I'm good. How are you doing?

I'm so, so good and I'm excited for this. So we have been recording podcasts all day, but we've gotten rid of your mum.

Yes, we have. She is gone.

She is out of the building. We have sent back away because I'm gonna record this podcast with Baby and we don't want her mum influencing her answers. So we've decided it's just gonna be the two of us and we are here and we're going to chat all things. Being the daughter of a studio owner because it's a little bit of a different world, right?

Yeah, definitely. It's very different from your normal dance experience, I feel.

Absolutely, Absolutely. So one of the things that comes up a lot. And look, you're not meant to know about this. Actually, before we get into this, let's. Let's talk about a little bit about you. Baby, how old are you?

I am 15 years old. Just turned 15.

Woohoo. How long you been dancing for?

I've been dancing for literally since I was born. I think I first went on stage at 18 months old.

Oh, God, really? What, did mom put you in a tutu and just threw you out?

We were doing the Hokey Pokey or something and it was like our preschool dance group and I. Oh, crazy time.

Oh, gosh, how cute. And I presume that you dance five days a week, Six days. How many?

I do five days a week and every few weeks I'll teach on the weekend as well.

Okay. So, so good. Best moment, most biggest moment in your dance career so far.

Definitely. Winning Dottie this year was my biggest moment.

Awesome. At Showcase Nationals.

At Showcase Nationals.

So, so good. And you are off to Europe really soon. Tell us about that.

Yeah, I'm off to Europe and I think five weeks now and it's so. I'm so excited.

So what is it that you're dancing at?

I'm dancing at the World Dance Movement, which is so fun, exciting.

And you're competing and doing workshops and conventions?

Yes, we're doing Four solos at the competition and then as well as the workshops. And actually, I found this out the other week in the workshops. We actually learn a full dance and that we compete on the last day, so that'll be really fun.

So do you compete it as a solo or as a group?

I think as a group. Like, we do a group dance. So I know we've got Shannon Atkins for one of them.

Oh, awesome.

Yeah, she'll put, like a group together with all the kids from all around the world, so that'll be so much fun. I know. I'm so excited.

That'll be so, so good. So you're teaching at Pause. You're dancing at Pause. You go to the high school at Paw Pause. You are, like, living life at Pause. And that's got to be like. Obviously a lot of kids do that. You're not the only one.

Yes.

But you more so. Because Mum's the boss.

Yeah.

And you've always been there. Yeah, I would love to know. Okay, so a lot of people, and we've had all these questions about studio owners, people like your mum and I, who own studios, who feel this, like, mum, guilt. They feel this. And, you know, it's something that you kind of don't know until you experience it, but you just feel stressed about your kids all the time. And I know the parents listening, know what I'm talking about, consistently stress that they're doing a good enough job as a mama. Right?

Yes.

So that's why we got rid of Mum, so that you and I could chat about it. But, you know, do you feel because Mum is busy, your mom, more so than most studio owners, she's running multiple businesses. You know, she was a single mom for a long period of time and trying to juggle all the things and do everything for you guys. Do you feel like, you know, you don't see Mum enough? Is that a hard question?

Yeah, I. Look, there's definitely sometimes where I feel I don't see Mum enough. Like, if I say, like, every week, if we were just talking about weekly, I feel like I don't really see her much in the mornings because I go straight to dance at 9am and then I. We kind of spend like maybe half an hour together at night while watching tv. But because Mum works so much, we do get to do, like, amazing adventures together. Like when I'm going to Italy instead of just going for the week of World Dance Movement, I'm. Now we've extended it into a holiday, so we're going to the Amalfi coast together. So we get to spend time there. And, like. So definitely, because she works heaps, I don't get to see her as much as, like, I would. Yeah. But I think we also get special moments together and.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, sometimes it might not be. You know, there's times that you get, like, Mum's really busy, like concert week or whatever. It's crazy. And probably DTA Week. DTA week is one of those weeks, right, where you barely see her.

Yeah.

But you feel like sometimes that's made up in other ways, right?

Yeah. Yes. I feel like it's usually made up by, like, holidays or. We usually would do, like, every maybe once a month or maybe once every two months, we have a day together and we just, like. We'll watch movies, maybe, like, order food in. We don't. She doesn't really work and I don't really go to dance and we just hang out together. So I feel like we get those special moments together.

That's a bit nice. That's a bit lovely. And look, you know, I think every working parent, doesn't matter if they're a studio owner or anything, all feel that. So it's such a hard thing to kind of balance. Right. And I guess it's a bit different for you because you're actually at the studio. Whereas, like, your brother's not at the studio, for example. But the same thing, I think, is that, right, that he probably feels like he doesn't see his mum for periods, but then gets it made up in other ways.

Yes, I agree. I think because Mum tries to spend, I think, Thursdays with him, like, she takes him to swimming and all the things. I feel like they get that time together as well. But I definitely think because he's not at the studio, he doesn't see her as much. But I also feel when I'm at the studio and I see Mum, and I see her less as a mum and more of a teacher because, like, it's just a different way of seeing her because all my friends see her as, oh, that's Ms. Beck, you know, dance teacher. So instead of me going, hey, Mom. It's more, hey, Ms. Beck. Sort of vibes.

So cute. So is that weird? Like, let's talk about that. Like, that's got to be so weird when you hear. Because is Mum actually teaching you at the moment?

Yeah, I have her for ballet in the morning sometimes.

And is that weird when you hear your friends maybe bitching about Mum, right. And going, oh, Ms. Beck did this today. Oh, My God, that's so. That's gonna be hard, right?

Yeah, it definitely is hard, but, like, I can definitely see both point of views most of the time. Absolutely. But, yeah, it is hard. But I also feel like I've gotten used to it now. Like, I know how to switch off me seeing mama's mum and mama's dance teacher.

Yeah.

So I definitely see, like, both worlds at the moment.

Okay. And obviously, like, you're 15, and probably when you're a bit younger, that might have been a little bit harder. You're kind of on the other side of it now.

Yes. And I feel like all my friends are pretty good. They usually don't say anything bad around me about her.

What about about the other staff, though? Because I'm sure, like, your mum's an amazing teacher, so obviously no one would ever want to bitch about her. But there's always things that you would hear as a student at the studio.

Yeah.

That might be, like, sitting. So, you know, I heard that so and so is thinking about quitting. Or I heard that all the kids are like, you know, refuse, don't like their new costume, or, you know, like, something like that. You obviously hear things like that. Is that hard? Because, like, you feel like you want to run and tell Mum, but then you don't want to be telling them everything because that upsets your friends.

Mom and I actually have this conversation a lot, but I would tell her, like, what she needs to hear. Like, if everyone in our troop absolutely hates our costume, I would tell her, look, no one really likes this costume. Is there another option? But if it's something more, like private that's close to one of my friends that she will find out about in a week and it's not going to be a big problem for her, then I probably won't say anything. If I had a friend that was like, oh, she might be leaving. She might be leaving. I would probably tell Mum once she's fully decided. Because I don't want Mum, because she's so crazy busy, to have another thing going on in her head. So I only tell her if I think it's really, really necessary.

Ah, that's interesting. So have you and Mum like, planned that and had that discussion about what, what you should be telling her and what you should not?

Yes. Well, I've told her because she's like, one time there was. I don't remember exactly what it was, but there was something that came up and she was like, why didn't you tell me? And I was like, if I Tell you everything, then all my friends are obviously not going to tell me everything.

And you're going to be not part of the group.

Yeah, exactly.

Your friends aren't going to want to hang out with you and tell you stuff. So, yeah, that's a hard thing. I like the idea of, like, you guys, like, setting boundaries and maybe for other people listening, if they have children that dance at their studio, that maybe it's being open and honest about those conversations. Is that something you think would be helpful for other people who have their kids dancing?

Yeah, definitely. I think it. Because I, when I was little, used to just tell mom everything. I'd be like, oh, my gosh, Mom. This girl Jessica, for example, she said that she got mad because you told her to point her toes. Like, I used to be such a little tattletale, but now I think that we've, like, set boundaries and we've decided what each thing I need to tell her about, really. So I think that's really good.

I love that so much. So, all right, what you've obviously seen your mum teach. You've seen her be a business owner, you've seen her business grow. What do you think are, like, the biggest lessons you've taken from watching your mum build this business?

I think there's definitely lots. She's literally taught me everything I've known. But I think the biggest thing is hard work equals success.

Yeah.

You're not going to become like, for example, my dreams, like, be a pop star. So she always says, you're not going to become a pop star overnight. You have to work hard, you have to learn how to play piano, you have to learn how to do this before you can get to the top. So I think that's probably the biggest lesson that Mum's ever. And.

You see your mum doing that and you see that paying off for her.

Yes, definitely.

I love that. That's a big lesson. What about in terms of. That's obviously around building a business. What about teaching? Have you seen a lot of teaching lessons? Because I know you're like a great up and coming teacher. I got to see some of your corrie last night. It was so good. But what about in terms of teaching?

I think in teaching, she's told me about how to teach little kids because I obviously don't teach the older kids because I am the older kids. So I think with little kids, she's just taught me that you've got to be so positive, like 100% of the time and. And that positive reinforcement is the way to Go. So instead of being like, oh, you didn't stretch your feet. Now I have to do it again. You have to be like, wow, look at those feet. They're so amazing. Oh, look at that face. Because then the kids just, like, light up and they just watch you with, like, so much energy and they want to be there. But if you're always speaking down to the kid, then they're like, get me out of here.

So, yeah, so, so good. You know, your mom, you probably don't know this, but your mom sent me a video the other week of you teaching. And it was actually a video of you teaching rather than the kid. And she's like, oh, my God, look at the energy Bab has, why she's teaching. And, like, that is so incredible. And you've obviously had some great role models and that's where you've, like, learned some of those skills, which is. And like, obviously sitting in a dance classroom for so long. So, you know, is teaching something you want to do? I know you said you want to be a pop star, but is teaching something you want to do as well?

Yeah, definitely. I love teaching. Like, I love helping the kids, and I love their faces when they, like, they get something that they couldn't do before because they just, like, they feel so proud of themselves and it makes, like, me feel really proud of them. So, yeah. Yes. I definitely could see myself doing teaching in the future. And I love, like, choreographing and stuff like that. It's just so much fun.

I love that. I love that. Okay, so best thing about having mom as a studio owner. There's gotta be a couple of things.

Yeah, definitely. Okay. Best thing is I love that, like, I'm always there. And I know that's also, like, a bad thing. It's a little bit on both sides. But, like, I'm loving dance at the moment and, like, I love that I'm always there. And, like, I know so many more things than I feel normal dancers would like. I know how the behind the scenes go. Like, I know that mum has to make a critical path for every single person. Yes. Preschool concert. I know so much more about the whole dance studio situation. And it's not just, oh, yeah, let's go to dance school and do some dance. Like, there's so much back work that has to happen before you can just dance. And that's definitely one of the good things. Things.

Yeah, I love that. What about the absolute worst things?

Okay, the worst thing I would say is I feel like this is a little bit Deep.

That's all. Right, Go for it.

I feel like whenever I get something, it's not always because I deserve it in that way. Like, I feel like sometimes if I get, like, a front center part, I'm like, did I get this because I worked hard for it, or did I get this because Mum owns a studio?

Yeah. Especially from other teachers.

Definitely.

And that's hard, I'm sure. And I don't know, I always almost think that you've got to work even harder than other kids because people would be so quick to jump to go.

Yeah.

You know, you got that part because you're Beck's daughter.

Yes.

So you probably need to prove them wrong.

Right. I feel like I'm always working one. Well, I'm working, like, for myself, but I'm also working to prove that, like, I deserved that part or. Yeah. That part didn't just get handed to me on a silver platter. Like, I had to work to get there.

Do you remember that we did a podcast like this, like, two years ago with my daughter as well?

Yep.

And you were probably would have been.

13 two years ago.

Yeah. Maybe you. It was two years ago. Maybe three.

Maybe three.

I don't know. It was a while ago. And when we're on it, we were talking exactly about that. Like, I don't. And obviously you'll have to go back and check it out. It was one of the earlier episodes of our podcast, Place. Yes, we were. That's right. I remember. And, you know, we were talking definitely about that. That it's hard sometimes to not know, you know, if you get something or quite sometimes the opposite, that you're actually working really great, but you don't get rewarded for it. You don't get the trophy at the comp. You know, you don't get the scholarship that the other kids might get. You don't get. Because people don't want to say that you're rewarded. I know your mum's flipped her switch on that a little bit. I don't know if you know that because, like, you got an award at your concert last year. I'm pretty sure I was there. There was an award. Yes. And I think, like, your mom's kind of, like, changed how she was approaching that because, like, you so deserve it, so therefore not to give it to you. Is that right? Do you feel like that happened, too?

I feel like also when I. Okay. I hated dance when I was little, like, literally didn't want to be there. Was just there because Mum owned the studio and because of my Friends. And I think when I was like, 10 or 11, it was like the second year that I started, like, loving Dance for Dance. And I remember I worked so hard that year. And at the end of year concert, we, like, everyone got their awards. I didn't get one. And I was talking to Mum in the car on the way home and she was like, oh, I don't remember who the judge was. They were like, oh, they put you up for this award. But I told them that you can't get it, so that's good. But I didn't see that as a good thing. I saw that as a, oh, this sucks for me. This sucks for me. Like, I've gotten asked to get this award and Mum said no. So I feel like since then she's kind of tried to, like, flip it. Because I, like, I remember that year I worked so hard. Like, I was getting up, I was stretching, I was doing all the things. And I, like, it was like a stupid award. Like, let's be real, it was like a tap award or something. But I. I just really wanted to get, like, recognized for my hard work.

And that was hard.

And that was. That was definitely.

Absolutely. So do you have people. Have you ever felt like people whisper? You know, we just talked about, like, the front line thing. And I know you're, like, leading the musical and stuff at the moment. Have you felt you've heard students or perhaps parents whisper about that and kind of go, oh, she's only got that because she's Beck's daughter? Or do you know that's the owner's daughter? Do you feel that?

Yeah, definitely. I feel that, like, all the time. Like, literally since I started working hard at dance and, like, I'd get in the front line or something. I always feel like everyone's, like, watching me when we do positions and all the things.

Do you feel like it's worse from students or parents?

I would probably say parents, because I feel like if my friends were to say anything, they kind of know how I, like how I work.

Like, yeah, they. They're in the class and they see how hard you work. Yeah. Whereas the parents.

Parents, they don't really see. They see what, like, they choose to see. And when they look at the camera and stuff like that.

That's really interesting. So how do you think that's making you a better person? Or do you feel like it's just. Just really hard?

I think it's making me a better performer.

Yep.

Because I feel like it's making me work harder. As we said before. To prove them wrong.

Absolutely.

But I don't as a better person. I think it's kind of just like, it's not making me like an amazing person or anything, but I think it's like helping me like improve to be like block them out because.

Absolutely.

It's not really about them at the end of the day, it's about me.

See, I think that's incredible thing for a 15 year old to say because it's not about you, it's totally about them. Right. And like in the world, regardless if it's a dance world or, you know, a workplace, it doesn't really matter what it is. There's going to be people that talk about you. Right?

Yeah.

Like that's just the reality of, of life, people about people. And I think, you know, obviously, you know, you've had to learn that and that's got to be tough when you're 15 and all those kind of things. But what an incredible life lesson because you're never going to let someone, you know, talk about you and let that pull you down. Right. And I think that's so incredible. You should be proud of that. That's an incredible thing. So you see what your mum goes through.

Yes.

You see the hard times that she's had as a studio owner. You've seen her being distraught over, you know, the student that left. You've seen her stressed at concert time, you've seen her all and everything in between. Right. You've seen the tears, you've seen the good moments. Right?

Yep. All of it.

Knowing all that. Would you ever own a dance studio?

I. Oh, you're like, oh, I wanted to own a dance studio literally since I was 10 years old.

Yeah.

But seeing like all of it and this is such a hard question. I would love to own a dance studio. Like I think it's just obviously there's hard things, but I think it's just so fun and like, you know, you get to own your own business.

Yeah.

But putting into consideration, like what I want to do when I grow up, which is be a pop singer, I don't know if I'd have the time to do all the things.

Yep. I love that you say all the things.

Yeah. But I think I would definitely choose it as an option. Like it's definitely not a no, but it's not a yes.

Okay. And it's not because you see it and go, oh, that's so hard. I don't want to do it. It's more about because you just want to like be a performer. Yourself. There's more what it's about. I love that. What about owning a business generally? Does that something you, like, aspire to, being a business owner, regardless of what that is?

Yes, definitely. I think being a business owner is, like, so cool. Like, you find a problem and then you find a way to fix it and then you help other people fix their problem. And I just think that's, like, the coolest thing ever.

I love that so much. You know, I was chatting to the. The twins, Taryn and Shay the other day who teach at your studio.

Yes.

And they were telling me a story about you.

You. Oh, no.

That you said to them the other day, they were talking about that you had to put in a headshot or something like that to submit it for an. For an agent. There was something around that. And I said, oh, I love that she's doing that herself at 15. That's so, so good. And one of the twins said to me, oh, yeah, Baby always tells me I'm going to be a boss like mom when I grow up and that's what I need to learn to do. Is that. Is that something you really have said to her?

Yes, of course. Yeah. I've got to be a boss like Mum always.

Absolutely. So do you. Bless. I love that.

So funny.

So you do love seeing what your mum's been able to create.

Definitely.

What other business ideas do you have there? Tell me. I want to hear all of your business.

All the business ideas. Oh, there's like. I don't know, I feel like there's just so many things that I could, like, do a business on. Like, I don't even put you on, obviously. Studio owning is definitely something that I want to do. But, like, I love the makeup, as we know. I love, like, fashion. I'm really into fashion and jewelry at the moment, so, like, I could see something like that. But I feel like for a business to really be successful, I've got to find something that no one else is doing. So I think I've got to keep looking for my Big idea, guys.

I love it. You got to stay tuned to hear Baby Big Idea. So, so good. And I know you're really focusing on your social media.

Yes, I am.

And doing. Are you gonna give it a shout out on the podcast?

Of course. Follow me at Vivi Lee Brennan on Instagram.

I love it. So, so good. Because you are working, like, really hard to go and I think that's so good that you try to build yourself because then you have options for what you want to do, whether you want to be a pop star or a jewelry designer. Girl's got options if she's got Instagram followers.

And I feel like your Instagram is a business as well. And I feel like this year I've started treating it like that.

Okay.

Like, before, I used to treat like all my social medias as, oh, yeah, my friends will find this funny. Like, haha. But now I see it more as a business than anything else because, like, if I'm going into an audition room, let's be real, the audition people probably look at your Instagram. I know Marco was telling the dance force Full Timers this the other week because Keisha was telling me this story. He was like, when he casts, like, who gets to come in the dream? And he looks at their Instagram, like, after he looks at their video. But that's a big decider sometimes. So if you're like, Instagram isn't like, you dancing or you doing, like, whatever it is, like, if your Instagram's just like cute pictures all the time, then, like, those people don't get to see you doing your craft. But then vice versa. If you also are only posting dance videos, you don't look like a real person. You look like a robot who's just like, dancing all the time. So you need to have, like, a good balance of both. I feel.

I love that. So, all right, that's a really interesting thing because you're talking about what you've learned from social media. Do you feel like you've learned that from Mum? From where do you feel like you've learned that? And do you feel like that's something kids should be taught?

Yeah, I definitely think kids should be taught social media because I feel like it's so important in this day and age now, especially, like, everything social media. And I feel like Mum's definitely helped me with posting on social media. I used to have, like, a heart attack every time I'd post a video. Like, I would do. I just had a class with Locky just then.

Yeah.

And I would get a video and I would watch it for like a month straight and pick at everything at it. Now I only let myself watch a video four times.

Oh, you have a rule?

I have a rule. I only watch it four times. And if I think it's terrible, then it doesn't have to go, but you have to post it. Like, if I only watch it four times, I don't let myself sit there and pick at every little thing that happens.

I love that. So maybe a really good idea for Studio owners that are listening is if they have kids that want to make it as dancers.

Yeah.

Or maybe even if they don't, offering some sort of like a workshop on. Yeah. Social media or something. Like, wouldn't that be cool?

Yeah, I'd love to do that.

Okay, we need to get back on that and doing that sort of stuff because, like, that's so, so true. Right. And you know, what you were saying about Marco made me think. I taught at his showbiz course a couple of weeks ago and he was talking about the same thing, Right? Yeah, like, and talking about that. Yeah, that's what he wants to see from upcoming performers and stuff like that. And I think this was like lightning bolts to some of these kids who weren't really kids, they were like 20. And so if you were taught that at 15, that's cool. Maybe that's a good idea for. For some studios.

Guys, go do your Instagram classes.

I love that so much. Okay, so let's talk about. You're super confident for a 15 year old. Yeah, you absolutely are, which is so, so good. What do you feel like has built your confidence over the years?

Definitely one, seeing mum work and seeing how confident she is, like, even sometimes before she does things, she'll be like, really nervous. But seeing how she just switches into that other person, like, I feel like I do that with everything now. If I'm ever super nervous, I let myself be nervous. But when you get to what you have to do, you have to switch and like turn into another person who's never. Yeah, you perform. Of course.

Absolutely. I love that. And you know, you obviously see your mum behind the scenes at home and you see those nerves and stuff that other people probably don't see from your mum. They just think your mum is this super confident person. But you know that that's not always the case. Yes. And I think that that's such a big lesson and like, so many studio owners that are like stressed about, you know, what they're teaching their kids and if they're seeing their kids enough and if they're doing a good enough job, like, you know, I know that everyone feels that, but I think that as business owners, we're teaching our children so much from them just watching us that we don't even know. And I think BB is like an absolute example of that. Right. Because I'm sure your mum hasn't had some of those conversations with you, but you've just noticed these things.

Yeah.

And you've learned it by seeing what mum one's Done.

Yes, definitely. Like, obviously we talk about, like, all the things, but, like, a lot of things I've learned from her is just by watching her and watching her work and watching her be in her craft.

I love that so much. So I think if you're a studio owner, like, be confident in what you're doing. Know that you are giving your kids a great education in terms of great life skills. Showing them that what hard work equals success. Success. Showing them that it's okay to be nervous, to be scared, but still to get there and do it anyway. I think that's such a big thing. Hey, I want to tell you one other thing that you might not know before we finish. I was about to wrap up, but I'm gonna tell you one more thing so you wouldn't know about me, babes, but my parents were business owners when I was a kid, and my parents have always been entrepreneurs. All right.

Yeah.

So when I was like, even Phoenix's age, I remember sitting around the dinner table every night talking about business and talking about. I knew that that staff member was going to be fired before they'd be fired. I knew that they might not have enough money to pay wages that week. I knew how much money they made. Like, when I was like, little, like, you know, I'm talking about like 11, 12. I knew exactly. I remember, you know, talking to my friends and then someone saying, like, oh, how much does your mum make? And like, I said, I could tell them. Exactly.

Yeah.

And everyone else is like, oh, I have no idea what. My parents like this crazy stuff. Right. And I feel like that has given me. I'm such a better business owner for that. And I'm such a better person than them hiding all the things from me.

Yeah.

And I don't know, like, I obviously don't know what happens in your house, but I presume that your mom's pretty real with you and you see a lot of that stuff behind the scenes.

Yep, definitely.

And I think it just teaches you so many lessons. I don't know. Do you feel like you've learned?

Yes. Yeah, I agree. I also feel like my mom has always, like, fostered me with, like, business owning. Like, I remember when I was like seven, I came up with this business to raise money for, like, a charity.

Yeah.

And we literally got like these little colorful foam shape things and we drew smiley faces on them. Was me and my two friends and we just went and we like sold them to people for like $2. And all the little 6 year olds in our studio wanted them for some reason, everyone wanted these little sparkly plastic things, and we didn't even make that much money. I think we only made, like, a hundred bucks off. It's not that, but it's not that. It's. She's always taught me that if you've got an idea, you go with it and you run as fast as you can.

I love that. What a great lesson to finish us on, baby. Thanks for being in the podcast with us.

This is so much fun.

It's so much fun. It's a bit of a bougie room, right?

It's really fancy.

You've got to love this. We're gonna have to go find. Find mom and let her back in. But thank you so much for sharing a little bit about what it's like to be a studio owner's daughter. Been super fun.

All right, thank you so much for having me.

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