How To Get Unstuck

The thing about the person who was stuck and feeling trapped is typically any kind of resistance makes it more and more and more stuck. You have one option. You can go, oh look, I'm frozen. I wonder when I'll thaw. I can just relax and check this out, and you'll thaw quicker for sure.

Thanks for joining us this week on The Art of Accomplishment, where we explore living the life you want with enjoyment and ease. This week we're talking about stuckness. We're going to talk about how stuckness forms in childhood, how it shows up in adulthood, some of the trauma patterns around stuckness, and how to move stuckness in your life emotionally, on a nervous system level, and intellectually. Joe, you were working with somebody the other day who was feeling really stuck in their life, in a life that they really didn't want to live. And within 5 minutes they started seeing all kinds of new possibilities. How does that person get unstuck and move on in their life?

Yeah, that's a great question. So I think the first thing that you have to do is decide, you know, like actually define what stuck is. And the most simple thing to say is stuck is an emotion. It's an emotional experience, meaning that if you don't feel stuck, are you stuck? So for instance, We're stuck with gravity. We're stuck with the sun. We're stuck on Earth.

Shoot. Right?

But we don't feel stuck in these ways. Typically, most of us don't. Maybe a couple, couple people do.

I'd like to hear it. I'd like to hear it. I'd like to hear it. I'd like to hear it. I'd like to hear it.

I'd like to hear it. I'd like to hear it. Right? So it's a feeling. It's not a reality, meaning that we're stuck in tons of ways and we don't feel stuck. And oftentimes we feel stuck in ways that we actually aren't. So that's the first thing about the definition of stuckness. But the other thing that I think is really important is that there's— I would say there's a distinction between two forms of stuck. And one is, oh, I'm working on a problem and I'm stuck. And the other one is, I'm trapped. I'm trapped in my marriage. I'm stuck. I'm trapped in this depression. I'm stuck. I'm trapped in this way of thinking. I'm stuck. I'm trapped feeling these emotions. I'm stuck.

So one's sort of like, I can't get out of where I am. And the other one is, I can't get to where I'm trying to go.

Yeah, yeah. One is, oh, there's this problem that I'm, I'm trying to solve. And one is, I am trapped and I don't know how to get out. Okay. And there's almost always an oppressor with it. There's almost always this thought process of oppression. What I notice is that when people who have a tendency to get there often, who often feel that feeling of stuck, often had a childhood where they were put in no-win situations where they couldn't get out of the situation, meaning that they couldn't be themselves and please their parents, or that they had to be a very particular way, or they suffered some sort of abuse that was no-win. And so all they could do was just freeze. Typically, that's something that happens with somebody who feels that trapped often over and over again.

Trapped becomes the best strategy in that case.

Yeah, exactly.

The best thing you can do is just stay where you are and hope the situation changes, right?

Because, you know, any move you're going to make, you're going to get yelled at because the mom or the dad or the brother or the sister or the teacher, they were going to attack you no matter what. They were going to do whatever because it wasn't about you. Never was about you. So that's the second form. And the interesting thing is that the solution for both is often very similar.

In the former, the kind of solving a problem. You can see this in a lot of places. People who are looking for their soulmate for like 40 years, people who are trying to find their purpose, or there can often just be some sort of mythical unicorn that they're after. It can be something that's right in front of them, like, I don't know what to do about this job offer, right? And it can also just be something that just lasts for decades that they just continue to play out this pattern with. Yes, with finding a meaningful career. I'm remembering now a time when I was doing a BASE jump. I jumped from some bridge in Idaho in December. I was just learning to jump and I had gotten dropped off by my instructor who had to go to work. He just gave me a bunch of parachutes and said, "Go for it." My first jump, I landed in the freezing water and then I had to climb out of the canyon. And I'd never climbed that route before, but it was basically just a sheer face. And there was a moment where I got totally stuck and my clothes are freezing, my feet are freezing, and I had to step on like a little wedge of rock with my frozen shoe and balance my weight on it to not fall 100 feet. And I didn't know the next move. And it was interesting how while I was moving, I was just moving. But the moment I stopped and didn't know what to do next, I felt oppressed. I felt like everything was mean to me personally. How did I get into this position? Why did this happen? What's up with this stupid cliff? Why did I get dropped off and not like have somebody like walking me out, showing me the way? And the moment I started moving again, which was about 20 minutes, I was just hanging out there, just feeling stuck.

Oh, wow.

And so I made sort of like a leap of faith. I made the step, balanced on it. Reached and just happened to find another thing to grab.

Yeah.

The moment I was moving again, I was unoppressed. I was just on an adventure.

Yeah. And that's the amazing thing, is it literally is like that, except for we believe our thoughts far more when it's, I'm stuck by this political party, or I'm stuck by my wife, or I'm stuck by my kids, or I'm like— we'll believe the story of blame even more when our brain can actually wrap a story around it. It's harder to wrap a story of this fucking rock. It's trying to kill me, you know? But we still do it. We still have that feeling.

Yeah.

How did I do this to myself? And so it's a really interesting thing how our mind does that. And you're dead on in the fact that oftentimes the reason that someone feels stuck is because they can't figure out how to get to the end that they want to get to. And so oftentimes one of the things is just like, what's the next most obvious step? What's the little bit of movement that you can do? What's the little thing you can do to find out a little bit more? The other thing that I think is important is that downtime is really important. There's a huge amount of studies, and we can put them in the notes, that show that you need to have a time where you don't understand and you don't know what to do. If you are going to integrate new knowledge. So we can call that good if we're not resisting it, and we can call that stuck if we're resisting it. So in our work, for instance, we talk about something called the 404, which is system error, page not found, right? And it's where the person's like, like they can't put their world back together in that moment. And that is critical. We are are really happy when somebody has that space, will tell them, hey, okay, don't try to put it back together. Don't try to create a new story yet. Be in the unknown for a while. Be in the place where you can't figure it out for a while, because the longer you're in that place, the quicker you integrate. And there's a tremendous amount of studies that show, like, if you're pushing for results, if you are trying to get unstuck too quickly, your epiphany comes slower, if it comes at all. I had a friend who was an artist, and he said 80% of his art was just looking at the canvas. He would just sit there and look at the canvas. Or famous mathematician who I think won the Nobel Prize was asked about his process, and he said, I think about the problem as much as I can. Like, I exhaust myself thinking about it, and then I refuse to think about it until the solution presents itself in whole.

Yeah. Or you've got Michelangelo and the Statue of David. Like, how stuck was he when he was just sitting there staring at a rock for a long time?

Exactly.

If he'd been in self-criticism about that, or if somebody in modern times was watching him and being like, this guy's a stone carver and he's just sitting there staring at a stone for how long?

Right, yeah. And there's actually some evidence that shows about epiphany or solving problems that that liminal space is really important. But there's also, there's a guy named Neuberg, And he's an MD, and he basically does brain scans and stuff of folks who are having epiphany or awakening experiences. And he talks about that same thing being necessary. You go into a space and then you drop out of it and be in nothingness for a while. That creates the epiphany. And we see that all the time in our work. You see people have these massive breakthroughs, but it comes from being in that 404, comes from being in that space of unknown. And if you're digging it, if you know it's good, you're like, cool, I'm in wonder, cool, I don't know what's happening, and this is a really good sign. But if you are afraid of it, like, oh, my whole world's gonna fall apart, I don't know what's around the corner, I don't know that the thing's gonna be there in the cliff, then you feel stuck and trapped and oppressed because you don't have a story to put to it.

So in that sense, you could frame stuckness as intolerance for the unknown or for uncertainty.

Yeah, especially when it the working out of a problem. Oftentimes what's happening in the other side is there's more going on. When you feel trapped, there's something else going on besides that. Yes, there's also, oh, I don't feel like I'm in control. I don't have patience for the uncertainty. But there's also that feeling of oppression. And that feeling of oppression on an emotional level is repressed anger. The natural reaction to oppression is getting angry, is being pissed, you know? And so there's a fear that's going on. The fear is, oh, I don't see a result I can get to that pleases me. So I might be able to see the next step, but I can't see a way to get to the result. So I feel trapped. If I do this, I'm screwed. If I do that, I'm screwed. So you have that thing.

Tell my wife I'm upset and she leaves me, then I don't get the thing that I want. So I can't share my feelings about what's going on.

Exactly.

And now I'm stuck and I'm oppressed by my wife.

Right. But if I don't share my feelings and I can't be myself and I can't be loved. So I'm stuck. So I'm stuck sharing my feelings. I'm stuck not sharing my feelings.

Yeah. So you mentioned oppressed anger. I'm also curious about the fear here because, you know, freeze is one of the canonical fear responses.

That's right. So typically the stuck feeling comes, like I said, when people in their childhood were put into situations where they couldn't win. Right. And so there's fear with that and there's the feeling of oppression with that. The first feeling to move to get the most bang for your buck is to move the anger. The second feeling to move is often the fear, right? But it's oftentimes like that person in that situation, all they could do was be still because any move was going to get them yelled at. And if they got yelled at for being frozen, it didn't last as long as if they actually participated, if they didn't play back. But oftentimes that fear can't be expressed without a whole bunch of anger moving. Because, I mean, being trapped like that, it's shitty. Like, of course we're going to get angry. Of course we're going to get angry. And then there's the fear as well. And so typically when people feel trapped, they have plenty of options. 99.999999% of the time when I'm talking to somebody, they think they're stuck, but they're not at all stuck. To make this really apparent, there are people right now in the Ukraine who've been in trenches for months at a time in cold, muddy, crappy conditions, and they don't feel stuck. But there's somebody right now behind a keyboard in an office, and they feel stuck, as if they can't just get up and walk out and leave the office and never come back, as if they could be stopped.

Yeah.

And what's actually happening there is that they feel like, I don't want this consequence, and I don't want this consequence, and my brain can't show me anything besides these two consequences. And so I'm going to go into one of those places, and I'm stuck. Yeah.

I'm curious to go back to the anger and the fear there, because there's sort of a symmetry where you could say the opposite of stuckness is, I will express myself, I will be myself despite the consequences.

Correct.

So if you move the anger, that's sort of the I will express and be myself part.

Yeah.

And then moving the fear, feeling the fear all the way is the despite the consequences.

Right.

Part of that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And feeling the fear actually puts you in touch with the excitement and the aliveness of what happens when you are yourself. When you are being yourself, it's actually quite invigorating. It's, it's, it's energizing. It's, you know, my daughter right now, she's moved off to a college, and there is a way before, when she was in high school, she was just always herself. And in college, you're making new friends, you're learning new things. And she was wrestling with, oh, I'm kind of made fun of for this, or I'm doing this. And okay, I've kind of started to accommodate people by not being myself. And that started to feel like shit. It started to weigh on her, started to make her feel worse about herself, which made her feel more stuck, because then you're in this mental trap. And when she decided, which luckily didn't take her very long, oh, no, I'm going to be myself despite the consequences, because I'm not loved as myself unless I'm being myself. All of a sudden, she's just feeling so much more invigorated, so much more alive, so much more good about herself. And so there's this weird thing that happens when you convince yourself that you can't be yourself despite the consequences. It like creates depression. It creates like this low level and then higher, higher level of depression. And so one of the things I notice is someone who's constantly feeling trapped, they're usually getting closer and closer to deeper and deeper depression.

Maybe depression is some form of like self-oppression, like you are shutting down your own natural impulses. Right. Which I don't even want to say you are, because that implies that it's a personal choice that you're making.

Right. If you say you are, that's great. You say you are, the person who is feeling that way is— feels like— we'll take that as more shame.

Yeah.

More I'm bad. And then they're more self-oppression. So it's usually like a horrible way to think about it. Right.

But also, just to double-click on this further, there's— you can go anywhere on the internet and you'll find people saying, oh, just be yourself and like, duh, life will be better, be yourself. And you can intellectually buy that, right?

Yeah.

And yet, how does that translate? How do you get that deeper into your body to the place where the freeze isn't happening anymore?

Yeah.

Or, or if the freeze is happening, you do something with it that's more constructive and more— yeah, uh, and you can see the freedom in it.

Yeah. So let's talk about that. So nervous system level, the gut level, the freeze is a real tricky, slimy thing in the fact that the more you try to get out of the freeze, the more you freeze. The more you try to get out of the liminal space, the longer you're stuck there. So trying to get out of it really, really doesn't work. And anybody who freezes knows this. They sit there, they freeze, and they're like, don't freeze, don't freeze, don't freeze, and they just keep on freezing. So you have one option. You can go, oh, look, I'm frozen. I wonder when I'll thaw. I can just relax and check this out. And you'll thaw quicker for sure. The other kind of hack move is— hack as in it's a hack, like it can speed it up— is to double your freeze, triple your freeze, quadruple your freeze. Because what that is doing is it's not resisting. So the thing about the person who was stuck and feeling trapped is typically any kind of resistance got more of the thing that they were trying to avoid. But all of the resistance makes it more and more and more stuck.

You could even say that the stuckness is putting pressure on yourself.

Yes.

And if you are trying to resist the stuckness, you're adding more pressure.

Exactly.

So you're just fighting the part of you that's fighting yourself harder.

Yeah. So the nervous system, that's where you go. The emotional, it's what we talked about, which is moving anger is probably for most people the quickest way to move out of stuck. Moving fear, also really important. Sometimes grief, but just generally moving your emotions is going to make people feel very unstuck. I mean, you know, we've seen that hundreds, thousands of times now. And then there's the intellectual part of being stuck, which is understanding that your stuckness is basically trying to avoid an emotional state. And most likely that emotional state is the removal of love. Or we're going to get in trouble. So we're generally, in broad strokes, trying to avoid the removal of love or getting in trouble, getting attacked. That's what is actually happening. And the weird part is, if you intellectually see this, is that what's actually happening is you are removing love from yourself and you are attacking yourself. So you're actually not avoiding it.

Yeah.

So when you can really see that click, like, Oh, I'm feeling stuck because let's say that wife example or husband example. I can't say my piece because they'll attack me. And if I can't say my piece and I can't be happy in this marriage and I can't leave the marriage because then I won't have any love. That's basically that feeling of trapped. You're not giving yourself love by not speaking who you are, speaking your truth. You are attacking yourself by constantly beating yourself up for being stuck, right? Or for not saying your piece in the marriage or whatever the thing is. And so you're basically doing it all to yourself already. And so if you can intellectually see that, oh, crap, this is all happening. And that's typically what we do when we were kids, is what we did was we convinced ourselves, basically, it's easier, feels better to attack myself before I get attacked by somebody else.

Remove my self-connection before someone else pulls something away. In a way, it's super painful.

Exactly. Because if it's not my fault, then my parents are fucking completely incompetent. And holy shit, I'm only 3 years old. What the fuck?

So to be clear, these strategies worked as they were developed. Of course. They were the perfect strategy at that time. And now you're just continuing them and it doesn't need to be the same world now. It doesn't recreate a world that's somewhat similar. Find the partner who is that way with you and who's ready to criticize you or let you take the blame, whatever it is. And the one who will attack you when you're like, you're just gonna attack me, and they get angry when you say that. And right here you are in the dynamic. And yet you are doing it first in the sense like you are choosing to remove the love from yourself Correct. By deciding that your needs don't matter enough to express.

Yes.

That your feelings aren't worth bringing to the relationship, that the relationship isn't going to be improved and the other person's life isn't going to be improved by you bringing up the scary wants, the scary truth for you. That's right. And you're also attacking yourself. You have to physically shut that down. You have to physically constrict and close down that impulse. Yeah. And create stories about blame for yourself to keep it all locked in place in a little cage.

Yeah.

And that is self-aggression.

Yeah. So basically the healing that happens if you're in a perpetual sense of stuckness, the healing that happens is you have to go back into those childhood moments. You don't have to actually do it, but you have to feel the anger and the fear that was actually there that you weren't allowed to feel because doing any of that stuff would just get you attacked more.

Yeah.

And then the intellectual part of it is to see that you're actually not a kid anymore. And so as trauma is, trauma pulls you back in time. So the person who was in Fallujah under attack, when they get to Cleveland, a car backfires because they have trauma. They go right back to Fallujah. People who feel stuck are going right back to their childhood. But it's not actually— that's not the reality anymore. And so it's to see that that's not the reality. It's to move the anger and fear that couldn't be moved then. And for the nervous system, it is gentleness, which is what they didn't get as a kid, or the actual reverse movement of stuck, right? It's the—

I'm gonna double stuck, triple stuck, quadruple stuck, because it's like to exhaust the stuckness.

To exhaust this toxin.

So sort of like the, the psoas release exercises where you lean up against the wall in certain ways and it tires out all the muscles around your psoas muscle, which is the biggest muscle in your body that holds a lot of tension and trauma. And once you've finally exhausted all the muscles around it, you can lay down and put your knees up in a certain way that your psoas just shakes and releases a lot of held tension.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Or there's all sorts of modalities where you push up against something for a while and then, then you have the bigger stretch from it.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I want to double-click a little bit on the, the mechanism of moving anger or moving fear.

Yeah.

Because there's, there's something here. We're just talking kind of abstractly. Oh, you move your anger and then X happens. Yeah. And I'm curious, so what I imagine happens if somebody's got the pattern where when their fear comes up, they shut it down then what that teaches them is I can't protect myself.

Correct.

Which means you are very oppressible.

Very oppressible, I think, is incredibly important phrase. And what I mean there is that usually people who oppress, people who are looking for victims for their behavior, can actually spot that exact quality with laser precision.

Yeah, right.

There's this study that was done of some aggressive people who— I don't think they were rapists, but there were people who, like, stole purses or something, and they just had them watch people who were crossing the crosswalk, and they could just say, that person, that person. They all agreed on who was the victim.

Yeah, right.

And so there's a weird way in which you're inviting it. If you actually feel stuck, you're inviting an oppression.

You're inviting oppressors, or at least you're putting off something that people will recognize and they can manipulate. The aggressive, abusive boss will tend to find the person who's going to acquiesce to all of their demands until eventually the whole thing falls apart and it doesn't work for anybody.

Or freeze.

Or freeze, right?

Like, oh wait, every time I am a little frustrated, you freeze. So now I feel like I can't depend on you. That really fucking frustrates me. I'm going to even be more frustrated, right? There's all these ways in which that pattern invites the oppression.

Yeah. So functionally, moving anger is the process of taking space to fully, deeply feel your anger in a way that's not going to destroy anything, in a way that's not gonna like recreate or re-invite any of the patterns that—

it's not going to hurt anybody, it's not going to be— it's not going to make anybody feel threatened, it's just moving anger. It's just yelling, screaming, hitting, getting angry.

Yeah. And getting to a place where you feel in your own anger, like, oh, this is what it's like for me to be really angry. Like, what does it feel like to really stand up for myself, to really protect myself, to really care for myself?

Yeah.

To really draw a boundary, to present my aggression in such a way that I'm going to push on the world if it pushes back on me, and I'm going to assert what I care about. I'm going to assert what's, what's mine. And I can be met with someone else's aggression. And, you know, if I don't want to do this job that I'm doing in my work and I feel overtaxed, and I can just speak to that, if I know that I will say something about it, then I don't need to be so afraid of somebody handing me an extra task. I can just say, oh, if I feel overloaded, I'm going to talk about how I feel overloaded and what I need in a way that doesn't put blame on anyone else, right?

Like the classic story in, in movies is the kid who felt oppressed by the father and at some point just goes bam and hits and, you know, gets big enough where he hits back on the father and then doesn't feel oppressed by the father anymore. And it's the same thing. It's basically you were a kid and this emotional experience got stuck and you're unsticking it. You couldn't run, you couldn't fight. You froze. Now you can, like, move that running, you can move that fighting, and you can, like, unstick the pattern.

Yeah. In that canonical movie example, typically the father's response is first shock.

Yes.

Then fear.

Yes.

Then respect.

Right.

Yeah. Often, you know what, okay.

Yeah, often, right?

This was coming, right? Yeah. Great.

Or leaving.

Or leaving. Or leaving. Or something. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to move on to the fear side. When removing fear, what does that look like? How is that functionally moving through us?

And it's a shaking of the body. So if you have a, a deer who got caught by a mountain lion and then somehow gets free, you'll see them still shake their whole body. And so making sounds of fear, shaking your body, that's what it is to be moving fear. And it can be very subtle shaking, and it could just be like howling, yelling, but it's allowing your body to move the fear. And it's particularly powerful if you go back to the environment. The issue with moving fear by yourself is that oftentimes fear comes because you're by yourself. So it's far better to be in a group to move your fear, have love and support while you're moving your fear, because otherwise you're still all alone in it. So that's one of the things I really recommend to do with people. I recommend moving all of your emotions with people. So that's why in MasterClass or Decisions course, we move emotions with people.

Yeah.

And then all of the in-person work, we move emotions with people. But fear in particular, really important.

Yeah. And coming back to the veterans example, there are modalities like therapeutic shaking where people just lay down and they shake.

That's right.

You just let your body shake. It's what land mammals do. Yes. And some other animals.

Some even not. I think even whales. I think I read somewhere that whales actually have some shaking behavior. Dogs do it all the time. And as a matter of fact, there was this— I remember, I think we talked about this in another podcast. Like, it was 60 Minutes, it was 1980s or something, and there was this 90-year-old guy dancing on the dance floor. It was just like, just post-disco kind of in that area. And I remember they're like, well, what's the trick for being 90 and living such a vivacious life? And he said, Oh, that's easy. And he just laid down on the floor and like shook like he was in an epileptic seizure. And I was like, what? Because I was very young at the time. I was like, what? What? What was that? And I remember, what was it like, whatever, 20 years later, I'm sitting on the ground shaking like that and I'm like, oh yeah, that's so good. But yeah, I remember that reflection.

There's something also that I think is often missed in the way people talk about like trauma release and fear release and it's not just something that happens where your body shakes and moves and then you get up and move like nothing happened. Yeah, I've noticed that the biggest movements happened in me that also included some form of meaning adjustment in my system. Like, my body shook to represent a real fear of something like death, and I had to actually reckon with and feel that. And having felt that I then move forward in a different way. I see life differently. Like back on that cliff and I didn't know what to do.

Yeah.

You know, I was between a rock and a cold place. Literally, if I stayed there much longer, I was going to get weaker and weaker and weaker until I died.

Yeah.

And I could move forward and I might slip and fall and die. Right. So I had to hang out with that fear of death, knowing that it was, there was a significant chance of death either way, but eventually had to recognize that there was guaranteed death this way, right? So I had to continue moving.

Yeah.

And I think that's not so dissimilar from the experience that people have when they are stuck, where the thing that they needed to do when they were kids, when they were in those formative experiences, was freeze, not make a big fuss, not move, wait for the storm to pass and survive. And there comes a point where you can recognize in your life now that I am doing this to myself every day. I am removing the love from myself every day.

Every day I am trapping myself with my mind every day. And what I see when people really solve this puzzle about feeling stuck all the time in their life, and one of the things that I notice that is really clear in them is that the only thing they were ever stuck with was their thoughts. It was a set of thoughts.

Right?

It's— if you're not scared of death, just to be extreme about it, person with a gun can't oppress you. You can't be stuck. You just have some choices to make.

Yeah. Even if you're in a prison cell.

Even if you're in a prison cell.

There are many people who have been in prison cells for a very long time and they were not stuck. The moment they got out, they were moving as though they had been cooking that entire time.

That's right.

That consciousness constantly transforming into whatever it was that made them.

Yeah, I mean, it's amazing, right? 3 years in prison for one person is completely stuck. 3 years in— what is it like? I think some monks that they're in like for 3 years or 2 years or something, they're in a 2.5 by 2.5 foot room and they can't even lay down. It's like far harsher.

Yeah.

And they call that like awakening.

Right.

Somebody else calls it stuck in a prison.

Right. And then I've heard of somebody who did like a 6-year meditation, silent darkness retreat in a house, and afterwards they were like, well, that was a waste of time.

Oh my God, if you ever find that person, I want to talk to them, because I could see saying that and meaning it in a very particular way, which is so much freedom. And I could also see it like, oh, I like some sort of shame cycle of doing it, which would be Yeah. Unbelievable.

Again, it's like, it's a very specific nuance on how you want to frame that internally. But yeah, I can see that going a lot of ways.

Which is exactly the metaphor for stuckness. It's an internal framing. It is not an actuality. We're all evolving until we die and then we're all decomposing.

Yeah. This reminds me of the beginning of another coaching session that you had with another person who was stuck and your first question was, are you stuck or do you feel stuck?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Because they came in saying, I feel stuck. Literally, that was what they said.

Yeah, yeah. I think also for people who are really interested, the next thing I would watch or pay attention to is the Anger podcast. For people who feel stuck, they're going to get a lot of freedom out of the Anger podcast. That usually is the first move.

Yeah, then we've got several on fear.

Yeah, as well.

Helplessness, the cayenne pepper of fear. What else could somebody do if they really want to go down the rabbit hole here and work with their stuckness?

We have those 5 free workshops that we do that are the gateway of transformation, or really how to approach self-work that makes it really effective. And all of those things really help people get unstuck as well. So that would be a great one. And you just sign up for the newsletter and then you'll be made aware of them. We do about one a month or something like that.

So you just go to our website, artofaccomplishment.com. Sign up for the newsletter and then those will start coming to you. Exactly.

Exactly.

Awesome.

Yeah.

All right. Thank you, Joe.

What a pleasure. Good to be with you.

Thank you for watching The Art of Accomplishment or listening. The show is hosted by myself, Brett Kistler, and Joe Hudson. Munyi Kelly is our producer, and this episode is edited by Reasonable Volume. This week we're talking about stuckness.

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