Adda With Asif | Guest: Aslam Multani & Anil Gupta (E04) - The Story of Multidots (English)

गुड़ी वीडियों करते हैं, आड्डा विद आशिव करते हैं। अगर मैं आहमेदाबाद गुज्रात में हैं। मैं आहमेदाबाद के लिए आशिव करने के लिए आशिव करने के लिए आशिव करने के लिए आशिव करने के लिए आशिव करने के लि अपने जार्नी के लिए अपने जार्नी के लिए अपने जार्नी के अपने जार्नी के लिए अपने जार्नी के लिए अपने अपने जार्नी के लिए अपने जार्नी के लिए अपने जार्नी के लिए अ.

Thank you Asif for having us here and welcome to India and Gujarat. We have heard a lot about you and it's our pleasure and honor to be here and share our story. I mean, you know, this is our story, you know, so we pretty much kind of live with that. But when somebody like you, you know, who actually make us, you know, get into that zone and help us to find out, you know, what we have done in the past. So it's not just kind of like, you know, feeling where we feel good to share, but when we actually go into that memory land, you know, it also gives us a lot of energy. So thank you so much for having here. आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ के लिए आसिफ.

के लिए So आसिफ Aslam, first tell के me लिए आसि like how you started a computer and those career and a little bit about your childhood.

Sure. I belong to a small town called Bhavnagar in our state, Gujarat. You know, I come from a very, you know, normal family where, you know, my dad is working in a factory and, you know, I did my schooling into the city and आप नहीं करते हैं, मुझे अपने पर कुरियास करते है कि अपने पर कुरियास करते है कि अपने पर कुरियास करते है कि अपने पर कुरियास करते है कि अपने और मदन इन कोर्स, एक मदन मेरे प्रोफेसर करने के लिए मुझे एक प्रोजेक्स प्रोजेक्स प्रोजेक्स प्रोजेक्स प्रोजेक्स प्रोजेक्स प्रोजेक्स या, इपने 2007 करते हैं, तो इन 2007 मैं करते हैं, मैं करते हैं, मैं करते हैं, मैं करते हैं, मैं करते हैं, मैं करते हैं, मैं करते हैं, मैं � प्रोजेक्.

बैक्कराउंड और चाइलवुट असलाम् पर समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्षित समक्ष So.

I've.

Been evaluating all the different options like should I go for a computer science or should I go in the medical or health, you know. So all the different options I was evaluating and you know, I picked computer not as my choice but as my, you know, need because I have to make some money because my father is saying, okay, you know, that's it, you know, I cannot afford, you know, the further education for you. So you have to find a job in your vacation. अगर आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका आपका I आपका signed up with them. I said, hey, आपका I आपका want to learn computer आपका a आप little bit and if you allow me to do that, then I'll probably, you know, I want to, you know, actually be a trainer in your classes so that I can make some money and can, you know, have a further education. So that actually arrangement helped me and that was my first encounter with computer and I found like, okay, this is very cool. I love to interact with it and not only that interaction but it also actually profits my need in my life which was definitely the money was the first priority for me to solve that problem and so since that there was a moment then I got my financial supports in order to continue my education. And I decided to jump into computer application. So again, that first encounter helped me to decide like, okay, this is where I want to go because this town sounds cool. And me and Aslam, we were already in the school at that time. So we already have been going to the same school.

So you were actually in school?

Yes, we have been from 8th grade, middle school, so from that to until high school we went to the same school, we spent good time with each other, we had a small fight as well sometimes. अगर.

नहीं करता है.

नहीं करता है, नहीं करता है, अगर नहीं करता है.

नहीं करता है.

आनने पर नहीं करता.

है, न� करता है, आनने पर करता है, आनने पर करता है, आनने और पर करता है, आनने इनने पर करता है, आनने इपने पर करता है, आनने आपने आपका पर करता है आपका करता है आपका कर� करता है आपका करता है आपका करता है आपका करता है आपका करता है आपका करता है और कलज अपने मेरे कलज में अपने कलज में अपने कलज में अपने कलज में अपने कलज में अपने कलज में अपने कलज में अपने कलज में अपने और में आपका एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक और एक एक एक अवरने अपने में अपने में.

अपने में अपने में अपने में अपने.

में अपने एक में अपने में अपने में एक अपने में अपने में अपने में अपने में अपने में अपने अपने स्ट्रेक्षन के लिए नहीं नहीं करता है.

नहीं.

करता है, नहीं करता है, नहीं करता है, नहीं करता है, आपन नहीं करता है, सौस पी एच्छी, यह एक बहुत कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कुछ कु� नहीं करता है, नहीं करता है, नहीं करता है, नहीं नहीं क या, इनने पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा पड़ा and I was more interested in bringing interesting problems. पड़ा So I was looking, going.

Around, walking. So he will do the hard code and other things or write the algorithm. He will actually organize.

The.

Things. Correct. But you were doing projects for the university or it was like a CMP or those kind.

Of competitions? so that is actually interesting story you know like uh when we were in the first year of the college you know as i mentioned like uh you know due to the financial challenges in the family we had to you know fulfill those those gaps right so that problem you know forced us to find a job in in the first year itself so you know luckily in the first year of college where अगर हम अपने कोलेज करते हैं, हम आपने कोलेज करते हैं, आपने कोलेज करते हैं, आपने कोलेज करते हैं, आपने कोलेज करते हैं.

आपने कोलेज करते हैं, आपने.

They agreed to pay.

You tuition. I never heard anybody has a job that salary pays as a tuition. This.

Is interesting. That was the deal and there was no commitment. आपने कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष कलक्ष.

कलक्ष कलक So we opened the office, we closed the office and pretty much, you know, this open source PHP, that was all pretty new in that town in India. So there was a lot of experiments needed, you know, so in order to fulfill that commitment, we have been committed from our end that whatever it takes, we have to actually get this done. So that is how we decided, after finishing the college, we are going to the office. So from the second year, we were kind of doing college and work together. So that is, I mean, the more time that we put into that job, it has actually made us more mature.

More experienced. But in that place, do you have senior programmers.

As well? It was.

Just us. आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए.

आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए आपके लिए.

आप इसे बहुत अच्छा करता है, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप क� We had to put a lot of efforts. So we were lucky because we were there. We were spending the entire night working on the computer, working on something. And then people recognized our efforts and said, hey, this is where I am going to help. so we found that thing like you know when you put an effort when you are working hard definitely you know luck and good people will come around and will lift.

You up. It's definitely true. So tell me how.

Mathidol happened? How we started Mathidol? That's actually very बहुत अच्छान करते हैं, आने करते हैं, आने करते हैं, आने करते हैं, आने करते हैं, आने आने करते हैं, आने करते हैं.

आने करते हैं, अगर नहीं करतक करतक.

करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक � आ And I was pretty much more into managing a small team. I actually moved away from programming to more of a people management and leadership role. And we both were roommates. So at that time, after finishing our job, we were talking a lot about what he did in all.

These moments. This is not in your city. This is.

Somewhere else. It's in Ahmedabad. So we were doing a job in Ahmedabad. We were living here and we were roommates. We were sharing an apartment together. अगर आपने अपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने अगर मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए करते मेरे लिए करते.

हैं, मेरे लिए करते हैं, मेरे लिए.

करते हैं, मेरे � आपको जाते हैं कि इनने बहुत करता है क्योंकि आपको करता है क्योंकि आपको करता है क्योंकि आपको करता है क्योंकि आपको करता है क्योंकि आपको करता है क्योंकि और इन मदन नाने के लिए, नाने के लिए, नाने के लिए, नाने के लिए, नाने के लिए, नाने के लिए, नाने के लिए, आपको नाने के लिए, अगर नहीं, नहीं नाने नहीं, नहीं, नहीं, अगर आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका क� नहीं.

नहीं.

नहीं, नहीं, नहीं और अगर में करते हैं, अगर में करते हैं, अगर में करते हैं, अगर में करते हैं, अगर में करते हैं, अगर में करते हैं, अगर में करते हैं, अगर में कर� foundation day of maharashtra and it is a i think the labor day as well you know i mean yeah it's a labor day the first first of may so you know so interestingly we commit we have given a commitment to our chartered accountant that okay this is a day where we'll be able to set up the company But you haven't selected the name yet? No, we were just kind of going, we were just driving, I think it was Askar's motorcycle, I was riding the taxi and we were going there. We had to actually have a name by before we actually reached the office. So we were riding on the road. And we are still thinking about what we.

Are going to do. If it became a movie, then it will show you two are riding a bike, the time, the line is actually going in and you have to decide.

Before you.

Reach Canada. Yes.

Absolutely. That's already dramatic. Exactly, it's super dramatic. And now the point comes in where it was a traffic stop. So we got a ride signal, we were on the road and that was a moment. We got like our three or four minutes, you know, because the traffic, we had to stop it. And that is where we find the name. या, इन 2 मिनित्स, इसलिए या. तो हमें करते हैं, करते हैं, हमें करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, करते हैं, कर और तो समक्क के लिए एक समक्क के लिए एक समक्क के लिए एक समक्क के लिए एक समक्क के लिए एक समक्क के लिए एक समक्क क अगर आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता है, आपका करता आपका करता है, आपका करता है, We need to grow this company, right? So, party comes. We are going to have a party. And the signal was great. And we had a name. And we did it to the office. And we said.

Party आपका क comes. That's really dramatic. Or like you guys are making it up.

Yeah, I don't know. It.

Was really that big.

That's like very interesting. अगर आपको अपने करता है, अगर आपको अपने करता है, अगर आपको आपको अपने करता है, अगर आपको आपको अपने करता है, अगर आपको करता है आपको कि अपने पुछ समक्षा करता है, अपने पुछ समक्षा करता है.

अपने पुछ समक्षा करता है, अपने पुछ समक्षा करता है, अपने पुछ.

अपने करता.

है, � समक तो अपने नहीं करता.

है, आप करता करता करता करता करता करता करता करता करता क How you reach to this point having like almost about 150 people and one of the largest, one of the most reputed service company in a much bigger ecosystem like WordPress. So how this journey came and how.

You became this big? I think there are so many different things which actually helped us to reach where we are today. Of course, on this entire 10 years of journey, we made so many different decisions. We had our own set of learnings and failures. So that was also considered that as a big contributor in what we are today. आपने पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक पड़तक We were also in a very similar situation where we had to make a call like, hey, we don't have anything as of now. It's just two of us. This is an idea that how we are going to make our first move, right? Because that first move is important. First employee and first customer. That is super important. And so in that point of time, we decided that was actually a moment which actually gave us a time to decide and define our ethics. We say, okay, आप आप नहीं करते हैं, आप नहीं.

करते हैं, आप नहीं करते हैं, आप.

नहीं आप नहीं करते हैं, आप नहीं करते हैं, आप नहीं करते हैं, आप नहीं करते हैं, आप नहीं करते हैं.

आप.

नहीं करते हैं, � So when we decided to hire some people, we said, look, this is who we are. You know, we are operating from an apartment. We just have two of us, you know, I mean, our bedroom is.

Next to our office. I have room full of people. It's not like that. That's interesting. A lot of people does that. They bluff and they make it. So that's like saying, like, bluff.

And you make it. Right. That was the reason I highlighted this point, you know, because we also had that idea, you know, why don't we bluff? But then we made a choice like, you know, This is what we are going to.

Do from.

The beginning. That's interesting.

Building that trust, right? Building that trust. So we say that trust and transparency, these two things is something that we will always deliver whoever.

Actually partner with Multidots. Are you.

Pursuing global clients? अगर आपका करते.

हैं, आपका करते हैं, आपका करते हैं.

आपका करते हैं, आपका करते हैं, आपका करते I did a little bit of that when I actually left my last company. So I had a small हैं, span where I आपका करते हैं, tried to work with some of the local agencies आपका करते हैं, in आपका.

करते order हैं.

To... As a freelancer? As a freelancer, but that was.

A very small span. It was not a normal.

Four days for anything? No, not a normal four days. अगर आपने पर.

सक्ष्ट करने के लिए नहीं है, आपने पर सक्ष्ट करने के लिए नहीं है, आपने पर सक्ष्ट करने के लिए नहीं है, आपने पर सक्ष्ट करने के लिए नहीं है, But what we have is the passion आपने to solve the problem or passion to work and delivering that trust in our words and then delivering the same level of trust and commitment by finishing the job. I guess that was the एक बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत.

बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहु.

अगर आप करते हैं, अगर आपने मुझे सकल आप करते हैं.

करता है, आपने आप करते हैं, आप मुझे करता है, करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं.

आप करते करते हैं, आपने मुझे करता है, आपने मुझे करता है, आपने मुझे करता है, आपको आपने मुझे करता है, आ� नहीं करता है, आपको नहीं करता है, आपको नहीं करता है, आपको नहीं करता है, आपको नहीं करता है, आपको नहीं करता है.

आपको नहीं करता How hard was this 60 है, people's journey? Like from 0 to reaching to this 60, was it like the hard portion or 60 to आपको 150 नहीं right now, that.

Is the hard one? करता है I think, I mean, probably me and Sunil both have a different opinion, but in my opinion, the way I see it, like, you know, the early, the initial high year, you know, I believe, you know, that was a.

Little tough, you know. It.

Was supposed to be. Yeah, it was a little.

Tough and more challenging. You are hiding your wife without any kind of, like, weapons. Yeah, that's true. So, you are doing the service, he is taking all the leads. आपके लिए कुछ समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष.

समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक We had some processes established, we had trust established among the team, among the customers and all. But I think, you know, it was not a challenge. I mean, so after five years, we had, you know, bigger problems, but those were like better problems. So in the five years, you know, the problems that we had, we have been dealing with them first time. So that was the reason, you know, we found those problems were small. So we enjoyed solving that, but after five years, the size and the shape of the problem grew. So anything that we are planning to do, we have to put a lot of efforts, energy and time and maybe a different kind of strategy that we need to evaluate because many are small. अगर आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, अगर आप करते हैं, आप एक समक्षा के लिए एक समक्षा के लिए.

एक समक्षा के लिए एक.

समक्षा के.

लिए एक आप करते हैं समक्षा के लिए तो एक समक्षा अनने के लिए करता एक है कि आप अनने करता है कि आप अनने करता है कि आप अनने करता है कि आप अनने करता है कि आप अनने करता है.

कि आप अनने करता है कि समक्षा के लिए एक सम� अगर आपको 50-60 लोगों हैं, आपको अगर 50-60 लोगों हैं, आपको 50-60 लोगों हैं, आपको 50-60 लोगों हैं, आपको 50-60 लोगों हैं, या, आपको 50-60 इनने एक समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक्ष समक् अगर आपका करते हैं, आपका करते हैं, आपका करते हैं, अगर आपका करते हैं, आपका.

करते हैं, आपका.

करते हैं, आपका करते.

हैं, आपका करते हैं, अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अगर अपने अपने आप अपने समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा समक्षा.

समक्षा समक्षा अपने सम आपको अनने आपको अपने पर करता है, आपको आपको अपने पर करता है, आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको.

आपको If you answer me in short, from 60 people in 5 years and in next 4 years you reach 150. So in this point, besides you two, how other key resources of your companies like other good managers, good team leaders or HR people, what kind of role they play? अगर इसने पर परवाद परवाद परवाद परवाद परवाद परवाद परवाद.

परवाद परवाद परवाद परवाद अगर आपको करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक अगर करतक करतक आपका समक्षा करते हैं, आपका समक्षा करते हैं, आपका समक्षा करते हैं, आपका समक्षा.

करते हैं, अगर आपने लिए करने के लिए करने के लिए करने के लिए करने के लिए करने के लिए करने क� So if your team has so many broken parts, if it's actually shifted multiple times, then maybe the growth will be slower. Because you need to bring in more people and try their talent. But you have few people, at least, that actually keep trusting on you and keep building.

Malati Dots.

Even bigger. That's right. And I think this entire thinking around the trust and transparency goes in this way, where आपको अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने So we have designed one actually, we have a kind of structure, the balance structure where company, clients and employee, these are the kind of three important elements like in any organization, your team, your customer and the management or the management includes founders, investors, directors, so that is one kind of group, the customer and the employees in your team. अगर आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, We as an organization, we spend too much time आपने and energy with our customer, right? And so there is a.

Disconnection over that, right? Team doesn't have करते.

हैं, the same feeling. Same feeling. So what we did, like instead of we focus on the customer, आपने we try to focus more on our team. So Multiross is an employee-first company. You know, we are not drug customers. I mean, we boldly and proudly say that. We are not a customer first, we are an employee first company. Which means, we as a founder, we as a management, we focus more on our employee and our team. We kind of try to provide them the right kind of thinking and culture so that they can focus on our customer and they can take care of our client. So we take care of our employee, our employee take care of our client, and our client take care of us. So that is how actually.

The entire cycle happens. That's actually really different than most of the companies we see generally. So you are employee focused and the employee is also company focused, so ultimately they will take care of the customer better. How this synergy is actually, you started this from the beginning and.

It is still going? या, तो इनने बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत बहुत.

बहुत बहुत बहुत ब� Let's talk a little bit about the customer side as well. At the beginning, as you answered, you tried local clients, you tried international clients, then I guess you also worked in marketplace and other things. If you could tell me a little bit in details about the change of shift of the clients from the beginning to after 8 years. What kind of clients you deal with, what kind of clients you are dealing right now and how.

This change actually happened? Okay. आर्लियर में, में आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान में, आनस्थान तो आपको में, एक समक्षन करता है, आपको एक समक्षन करता आनस है, आपको एक समक्षन करता है, आपको एक समक्षन करता है, So we started with some local customers, we started with small startups, working with some agencies, because we had very good engineering आपको एक and technical सम talent. So selling the technical talent to other agencies on B2B relationship, that.

Is always very easy. You will have those people hired on your payroll, but you will actually lend.

Those to those companies. That's right. So that is how we actually pretty much started relationship with different new customer group. So I think even today it is the same. There is not much.

Modification has been done. But the number.

Of customers has increased. Yes, the number of customers has been increased and our focus and how we actually provide. So probably the customer group is pretty much the same. But within that customer group, how we can actually increase the value. So we have actually increased the value chain in order to serve that customer group in a more better and effective way. So, most of the start-ups in the very early stage we started working with agencies and other small start-ups and SMEs were our main target, small-medium enterprises. और मतकर अपने को परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक अगर परत आपको समक्षन समक्षन, समक्षन, समक्षन, समक्षन, समक्षन, समक्षन, समक्षन, समक्षन, So, समक् same company working 5 years ago, now they have a different kind of need, they have different kind of expectations. And in order to fulfil that expectations, we also made some different changes in the services and the.

Value and the tools. अगर आप अपने करता हैं, आप अपने करता हैं, आप.

आप अपने करता हैं, आप अपने करता.

हैं, आप अपने करता हैं, अपने करत और इन मल्टी डोर्स में, आपने पर 60 परसंट करतकर करतकर करतकर करतकर करतकर.

करतकर करतकर.

करतकर करतकर करतकर अगर आनने करता है, आनने करता है, आनने.

करता है, आनने करता है, आनने करता है, आनने करता है, अगर आपने करतक करतक करतक करतक आनने करता है, आनने करतक करता है, आनने कर� अगर आपने करते हैं, आपने करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते करते क� और अपने के लिए, नामें एक समक्कर अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने � क्योंकि अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अगर नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं.

करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, � But I actually wanted to talk to you guys in depth. It's because last year I also came to Ahmedabad. You are not in the town, but I have spent good time with Aslam. And I have also spent good time in Madhya Pradesh in that time as well. I noticed a very strange thing. Whenever I had an opportunity to talk to any Madhya Pradesh employee, I noticed that something is very different. I have multiple companies. I have been to a lot of different places to be able to talk to a lot of different companies. I noticed that people in multi-dot are very much used to explaining themselves. If I ask them about why this company does this thing in this way, I am not asking that question to a marketing guy who is used to doing sales or something. He is used to selling multi-dot. I am asking somebody who is maybe a programmer from like WordPress team or from mobile team. I find marketer people are too energetic. They are spontaneous about seeing how they do. If I ask somebody anything, they will actually bring me to a wall. There is something written that actually goes to their core vision. I keep hearing about marketers, company cultures and their vision. If you could, both of you could actually describe me a little bit like what's unique about your company culture and how that actually created this kind of vibrant environment among all the young people. I see all the young people in the office. So how did this happen and what kind of like different things.

You have in the company? Right. So when it comes to the company, you know, I think we probably we didn't form the company first, we formed the culture first. So the culture was something that we actually paid a lot of time, attention and energy. So before it was the company, it was the culture actually. And when it comes to the culture, it's about how we should do the things. Because see, there are thousands of ways to do the same thing, right? And we wanted to differentiate, I mean, not just for the sake of differentiating, but we really wanted to actually अगर आपको अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने And.

अपने अपने अपने so let me interrupt you a little bit. अपने अपने अपने In my vision, अपन I always feel like a company, before it becomes a company, it has to be a team. The branding and the culture needs to come second. So I'm really interested to know why, because it's almost contradictory. One thing that came in my mind, maybe अगर आपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने आपको अपने अपने अपने कलतर अपने अपने अपने अपन कलतर कलतर कलतर.

कलतर कलतर कलतर कलतर कलत So, we think that every aspect of what we do, you know, there are two actually important elements. One is logical and another is emotional. When it comes to processing the data, when we have to take the right decision, we use our brain, right? And we as a human, we also, you know, consider, utilize our heart many times in order to make some decisions. So there is no single actually choice or decision or action that is just logical, not emotional. And when we try to actually utilize any one of them, we always find we regret that decision. If we are trying to be too professional or too logical, that's not good. If we try to just be emotional, that is not good. so we need to balance it and that is how we actually decided like you know when it comes to serving people we need to have an open and welcoming heart when it comes to solving a problem we need to have a smartest brain and that is how this heart and mind comes into the picture and so this is you know when to use heart when.

To use your mind आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आर्ट आप करते हैं, और आप करते मिंद हैं, सेक्षन अपने लिए, अपने आप.

करते मिंद हैं, आप.

और आर्ट के लिए.

हैं। आर्ट के लिए.

हैं। आर्ट के लिए.

हैं। आर्ट के लिए.

हैं। आर्ट के लिए हैं। आर्ट के के लिए हैं। आर्ट के लिए हैं। आर्ट के लिए हैं। अगर आपका एक परवाण या एक परवाण या एक.

परवाण या एक परवाण या एक परवाण.

या एक परवाण या एक � आर् आपको करतकल.

करतकल.

करतकल करतकल करतकल करतकल करतकल करत और कड़कर नहीं, आपने कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर.

कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर कड़कर कड़� and we need to have a balance and both. If somebody says like I am the smartest, the person in the key, but that person doesn't have that openness or willingness to message to the people, right attitude, probably they are in the right way for multi-roles. And same goes for.

The other person. आपको करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक अपने करतक करतक पर्ट्नाशिप में, अपने पर्ट्नाशिप में, अपने पर्ट्नाशिप में, अपने पर्ट्नाशिप में, अपने पर्ट्नाशिप में, अपने.

पर्ट्नाशिप.

में, अपने पर्ट्नाशिप अगर आपने मे लिए करते हैं, अगर आपने लिए करते हैं, आपने लिए करते हैं, अगर आपने लिए करते हैं, आपने लिए करते हैं, अगर आपने तो आपको अपने आपका परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक लिए करते हैं, आपने करते परतक हैं, परतक परतक परतक अगर आपने लिए करते हैं, आपने लि If you are getting confused how to answer this question, let's start with something that annoys you about Aslam. How do you actually deal with that? Then we will go to Aslam as well. What is a few pin point that you actually find it hard to deal with about Aslam and how you have done? Because I could understand you are already dealing with that. Sorry for making you uncomfortable. I could do that because I am your.

Friend. You can't blame me. Absolutely. That's perfectly fine. In fact, I am glad that you asked this question because there are very few people who actually.

Dare to ask this question. As I.

Am French, I am not going to argue anything. I mean, nobody dare actually bold enough to ask this question but I am glad that you asked it because our friendship and our business partnership इन्होंने इपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अ� अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा नहीं है क्योंकि अच्छा.

अगर आपने कलकत कलकत कलकत कलकत कलकत.

कलकत कलकत नहीं है क्यो कलकत कलकत कलकत कलकत कलकत कलकत कलकत we are very transparent if he doesn't like something if he is vocal about that yeah he will say like despite our friendship despite our relationship you know uh that is very very clear understanding between us like you know we should be able to talk and share whatever we feel right so there should not be a barrier that okay we are friends or how i will take it or how he is going to take it so we don't have that barrier right and which means like we can talk about and that is very important that is actually अगर आपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए.

अपने.

लिए अपने लिए � So, yes, the fact is, in these 10 years, of course, we had several such tough situations where we need to deal with each other. We had several, you know, maybe tough and rough conversations that we had to deal with, you know, in order to actually do it. We did that. And every time we do it, we feel more comfortable to do it because that actually keeps both of us more aligned to the vision. Sometimes I get off track on what we need to do. He's bold enough to remind me, hey, this is not something that.

We actually signed up for. Is it like you going to America and not coming back? Going to Las Vegas and not coming.

Back? It's not like that? Yeah, it's not like that. It's off track. And I think same goes with me, you know, so probably, I mean, I would say like, you know, probably he would be, like, I will be more.

Difficult for him, you know.

He will answer that question. Yes, yeah, I will be more difficult for him for sure. But for me, I haven't found it.

Difficult just working with him. Okay, so he is becoming, like, too, like, democratic or just too, like, he is behaving, like, very formal.

So could you be more... No, but if you ask me the right question, for example, if you ask me, like, you know, what are the advice that I have for us.

I can give you that. Let's do that after this portion. So please tell me like what is the most annoying or like hard to deal with things about Anil and how.

You.

Are dealing with that? Sure. You have to.

Be frank. Otherwise don't answer. So as you mentioned like the most important thing for me is you know where you know if you अगर आप आपने लिए अपने लिए अपने लिए आपने लिए आपने लिए आपने लिए आपने लिए आपने लिए � आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, आपको नहीं करते हैं, अगर आप.

अपने अपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने.

आपने आपने � आपको नहीं करत I got your point and from my experience I have asked this question to so many very interesting partners I have seen like आपका अच्छा करता है, मैं आप करता हूँ, आप करता हूँ, आप करता हूँ, आप करता हूँ, आप करता हूँ, आप.

हूँ, आप.

करता हूँ, आप करता हूँ, तो मुझे करता है, मैं करता हूँ कि आप अपने पड़ता करता हूँ, पड़ता करता हूँ, पड़ता करता हूँ, पड़ता करता हूँ, पड़ता करता हूँ, पड अगर आपको प्रेस्ट अनर्जी करते हैं, आप अगर आपको प्रेस्ट अनर्जी करते हैं, आप अगर आपको प्रेस्ट अनर्जी करते हैं, आप अगर आपको प्रेस्ट अनर्जी करते हैं, आप अगर आपको प्रेस्ट अगर आपने पर अनर्जी समक्षन पर करत समक्षन पर समक्षन समक्षन पर समक्षन पर समक्षन पर समक्षन पर It has a lot of effect of you, following rules, following like what foundation tells you to do, what actually like you ask your teams to do. So I can understand like how it could convince each other. सम� Then let's go to that portions where you give आपका परवारण आपका परवारण आपका.

परवारण आपका परवारण आपका परवारण आपका परवारण आपका परवारण आपका परवा I have seen this person, the kind of talent that he has in the last 14 years of our friendship. And every time I feel like he is actually utilizing maybe 20 or 30% of his overall smartness. So I.

Still believe that he is still... Why is he focusing? इसलिए अपने करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका.

करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका करतका .

So he is one of that person. In a single sentence, how he could utilize more? I am learning from this as well. It seems like this is a good advice for anybody. So how he could utilize his smartness or his.

Expertise even more? What do you suggest? So I think generally what happens is every person has one personality layer. So I think the only one thing that he has to break is he just needs to focus, open up. इसलिए आपको अपने आपने आपने आपने आपने.

आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने इसे पर 10 आरने पर अपने आरने पर 10 आरने आरने पर आरने पर आरने आरने पर आरने पर आरने पर आरने पर आरने पर � So do you have any direct service to Anil? He is feeling shy. He looks like he.

Will recommend something that he doesn't like. I have a very interesting talk here. Like Anil mentioned for me, Anil was the one who pushed me to attend that Tushita retreat.

And I found it very much interesting. We do not have time to actually talk about that.

Experience, but that was a fantastic.

Experience. That was fantastic, it was amazing. Let people assume.

What you had, they will not know. Check out our Facebook page or maybe our blog.

You know, we will write about it.

इन इंडिया एक मुझे.

एक कपल आप.

आप आप से गोल। रईइस, शारूप खान। ना मुझे एक.

मुझे आप आप आप आप आप, � मिश्लिन पर्सन, यह मैं हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ.

हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ.

हुआ.

हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हुआ हु So maybe I really take that dialogue very seriously where Anil uses his mind a lot and sometimes I guess not as one thing to improve but Anil thinks a lot before taking some step wherein I always push like okay Anil if you think आप नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं.

नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं.

करते हैं, नहीं करते हैं, नहीं करते ह नहीं, हम अपने.

अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने.

अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने अपने � अगर करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करत� नहीं, मेरे प्रस्पेक्ट है.

आप नहीं नहीं, नहीं, नहीं, नहीं, नहीं, अगर नहीं, नहीं आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको.

आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपक अगर आपकाल परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक परतक.

परतक So guys, we are almost in the last segment of this discussions and the conversations. परतक So I would like to actually talk to you or like listen to you about like परतक what's in the future in general for multidots, for you guys and if you have like any kind of like advice or like wisdom you want to actually share with all.

Of us. These are like tough questions.

I mean, so things are like, there is so many different things, you know, so tough in a sense where I need to finding out like, you know, what will be the way will make more sense. So I think the first thing is definitely, you know, after running this company for 10 years, we realized that, you know, the world is a very complex place, you know, every person's life is a very super complex, you know, they're dealing with a lot of different complex situations in every day, every time. And we want to become a part of an organization which actually solves those problems and reduces that stress. So, reducing the stress of customer, reducing the stress of our team in order to, by being more organized, by providing more focused and more efficient way of dealing with different situations. अगर आपने अपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने आपने अगर नहीं करते हैं, अगर नहीं करते हैं, अगर नहीं करते हैं, अगर नहीं करते हैं, अगर नहीं करते हैं, अगर नहीं करते हैं, अगर नहीं And going forward, we need to have a very precise focus. This क� is where we want to go, this is the kind of market we want to serve. And this is the kind of tools and technology that we are excelling in. So.

That is one part of the focus. Is this where WordPress comes into play? Because I know from Aslam, you guys have focused so much in the last one year or more in WordPress. और आपका एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक एक.

एक एक एक एक एक एक एक स्टार्बक्स है, आप से स्टार्बक्स करने के लिए, आप से पहले करने के लिए, आप से स्टार्बक्स करने के लिए, आप से स्टार्बक्स करने के लिए, आप से स्टार्बक्स करने के लिए, आप से स्टार्बक्स करने के लिए, आप से We think स्टार Multidot in that sense, where Multidot will want to become a WordPress. When people see Multidot, they.

Would see us as a WordPress company. That's a very interesting comparison. People think they will go to Multidot, they will get WordPress as a default, then.

They will get smaller apps, smaller things. Coffee always pairs very well with cookies and other things. So we understand like you know people who can't walk down or walk in, in walkie-talks वर्ट्प्रेस के लिए अवर्ड लिए हैं, मतकर वर्ट्प्रेस के लिए हैं, मतकर वर्ट्प्रेस के लिए हैं, मतकर वर्ट्प्रेस.

के मतकर वर्ट्प्रेस के लिए हैं, मत� अगर समक्ष अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अगर अ� आप करते करते करते करते करते.

करते करते करते अगर आप अपने अपने आप आप करतक करतक करतक करतक.

आप करतक करतक करतक करतक.

करतक करत� आप आप आप आप आप आप आप आप As Anil mentioned that we have been into industry like in next five months we will be almost completing our 10 years of journey for multi dots right and at this stage you know now you know it was our dream you know since the beginning it was a dream for us to make a footprint in the on the world and we wanted to make multi dots as a love brand right where आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10 आपने 10.

आपने 10 आपने 10 वर्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार्वार् आपने 10 लोजिकाल करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक.

करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक करतक It will be organic growth. We just don't want to add 500 people overnight. We.

Will actually organically grow along with our customers. Really interesting too and your story, all of the entrepreneurs' story and the journey is interesting. आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, आप करते हैं, अगर आप करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, आपने आप करते हैं, आपने करते हैं, और आप आप को एक करता करता करता करता करता करता करता करता करता करता कर� आपने अगर अगर आपको अगर आपको आपको अगर आपको कुछ कुछ करता हैं, आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको कुछ कुछ करता आपको आपको आपको आपको हैं, आपको आपको आपको कुछ कुछ करता हैं, अगर आपको नहीं, मैं कुछ आपको आपको अनिल के लिए आपको अनिल के लिए कुछ करता हैं, आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको.

आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आ First of all, thank you Asif for having us again as I said. So now you know everything about us like how we started, how we are childhood friends, school friends. आपको प्रोफेस्ट्यल जरता है और आपको करता है, आपको करता है, आपको करता है, आपको करता है, आपको करता है.

आपको करता है, आपको करता है, आपको करता ह No, I think.

You are better in.

Every aspect of life. That's a diplomatic answer. No, that's not a diplomatic answer. From the beginning, I always respected Aslam because of the way he is too humble, he is ground to that. आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपको आपका आ प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस्वेक्टिग के लिए, आपका प्रस आप को अपने को अपने को अपने को अपने को अप अगर आपने पर 5 आपने आपने आपने 20 आपने आपने आपने 10 आपने आपने आपने आपने 10 आपने आपने आपने 10 आपने आपने आप� I hope and wish you guys will flourish more, you guys will do more in your life. Just keep respecting each other and be more open. I would suggest try to promote leadership among the team, try to push more people into more leadership team. So if you need to take off 6 months, You have to create the options. Otherwise, the company will be always looking for you. And if he's taking two months lead by himself, you need to create this scope for him. So he could actually get some time off for him. Not like 10 days only. More than that. So I think you guys have a very.

Bright future coming ahead. And thank.