GA 511 | Winning the Now with Eric Recker

I was working off an old operating system that wasn't serving me anymore. The operating system of just more and more and more achievement, achievement, achievement. I wanted to switch to an operating system where there was some fulfillment in it, where I felt joy, where I felt like I'd accomplished something, and not just for the sake of getting ready to check the next thing off.

Today I am very excited to welcome Eric Recker to the show. Now, I got to tell you, today is. Well, it's. It's not our typical sort of talk about lean type podcast. It's. It's a pretty deep podcast, man and boy. It was, it was. It really moved me. In fact, I got a little even choked up myself, you know, halfway through, just kind of touching on some things that have happened to me over my life. And Eric really opens up about, about his story and even talks about just like an early childhood sort of trauma that he experienced and how that impacted him and then set him on to the path that he's on today and just super, super powerful. So I'm super grateful that Eric came on to share his story like that. So show notes can be found over@gembapodcast.com look for episode 511. Again, gembapodcast.com, look for episode 511. Okay, enough for me. Let's get to the show. Eric, welcome to the show. How are you?

I am doing great, Ron. Thanks so much for having me.

All right, well, actually, it should be Dr. Wrecker, I suppose is official, right? You know, my, my, my dad was a PhD. He wasn't a. I know you're a dentist, but, you know, he had, he had the doctor as well. But, you know, he, he just wanted to be called Ron, you know, so.

You know, that, that just happens to be one of the hats that I wear. So it's, it's part of life, but it's not the whole life by any means.

Got it, Got it. Well, hey, man, I appreciate you coming on. This is going to be a fun episode. I mean, I think we're going to, you know, I don't know what you know about Gamba Academy, but our, our audience is primarily in this, what we would call the continuous improvement or lean manufacturing or lean thinking sort of scene. But reading about your background and sort of a little bit about your story, I think, I think it's going to harmonize perfectly with what we're all about. So I'm really excited for today.

Awesome. I'm excited as well. I think, I think it's going to be Great. My life is about continuous improvement. It's been a lot that way from my own story. Trying to get a little bit better each day. So I think there's going to be a lot of crossover.

Perfect. Perfect. All right, well, Eric, right out of the gate, we like to start with our guest sharing a quote. So what do you got?

Yeah, so this is something that came to me at the top of Mount Princeton, which is in Colorado. It's a 14 year in Colorado that we. That week I was going to do the Leadville 100 Mountain Bike Race. And so I live in Iowa. I do what any flatlander does who's traveling out to Colorado. You drive one day all the way across, and then the next morning you get up and climb a 14 or so. So climbed up the mountain, stood at the top. I was in some of the best shape of my life, surveyed creation, looked at as gorgeous up there. But what popped into my head is if you don't know why you're climbing the mountain, you're not going to find the answer at the top. So that is the quote, because it was really a symbol for what I was doing at that point in my life. I was climbing just for the sake of climbing. I was trying to do all the things, achieve all the things, but I didn't know why I was doing it. So it was a real fork in the road moment for me.

Love it. Love it. All right, well, where are you calling in from? You said Iowa.

Yeah. So I'm southeast of Des Moines, Iowa, in a small town called Pella, if you've ever heard of Pella Windows. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's my hometown.

Well, in fact, there's a big. There's a lean conference in that Sioux Land, Iowa area or whatever. And yeah, every year they have a conference and Pella's always there. And yeah, it's. That's a, That's a cool little part of the country. I'm from Ohio. I live in Texas now. But so I'm a Midwest boy by heart, you know, So I love that.

I love that. And yeah, and I like what I like about it. We, my wife and I have been recently doing a lot of traveling to. To Utah, spending some time in the Park City area. And what I love about it out there is people are Midwest nice. Which, which I really like. You know, you go to some pockets of the country.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

People can have a chip on their shoulder. I like conversational Midwest. Nice. So.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Matter of fact, we're recording this year In December is not going to come out for a little while, but I'm off to Ohio next week to go see my mom, actually. So I'm really looking forward back home, so. Well, hey, man, I'm. I'm wondering if we could just maybe start out of the gate. Eric, if you could just tell us a little bit about. About your background and really what you do today and then really where your passion in life is, is coming from.

Yeah, perfect, Ron. I can summarize that. It'll just take me three hours. So if you want to just let me do that, then we'll.

We'll be all Joe Rogan podcast man. I do it. They don't even get up to go to the B, man. I'm like, what are you doing?

And people still listen for that long. I. I don't get it.

Oh, I know, it's crazy.

But a lot of my story goes way back to when I was in elementary school. And I had what I like to call an everyday bullying story in when I was in elementary school. So I was one of the youngest in my class. I was little rough around the edges, a little husky, certainly hadn't hit my growth spurt yet. And in second and third grade, being able to play recessed kickball was life. That was huge. So we'd play that after lunch. You'd go out and pick teams and play. Well, it would have been one thing if I was picked last. I wasn't picked at all. I was told I wasn't good enough to play. And so there's a number of things you can do with that. You can believe that that's your reality. You can fight it, you know, lots of different things. But what I did is I stood on the sidelines after this happened many times, I just wanted to play. I just want to show people I could play. I just wanted to participate. And so I made a pact with myself on that playground sideline. And I said, I am going to be so freaking good at everything that I ever do that no one is ever going to not pick me. So what that did is, you can imagine, created a monster. And so nothing was ever good enough for me. Through high school, through college, through dental school, nothing was good enough. It wasn't good enough that I was in the top 15 in my dental school class. I had to be in the top 10. It wasn't good enough when I got done with school that I had this degree, I had to get advanced degrees. And then I had to. Once I started running 5k, wasn't enough 10k half marathon, marathon, dabbled in triathlon all the way through the Ironman distance. Nothing was ever good enough. And finally it was actually on the top of that mountain, Mount Princeton, where I realized that a lot of my why had been trying to prove those bullies wrong from elementary school. I didn't even realize I'd still been doing it. And it had been, it had carried through my dental practice and carried through pretty much everything that I had done. So where I'm at in my life right now, through a series of three rounds of burnout, really tough stuff going on, I actually have sold half of my dental practice to a partner, which is amazing. It's going really, really well. I am seeing patients three days a week and on the other days I am doing coaching and speaking related to burnout self care journey of life. How can we come up with a plan to move forward and have confidence and hope that good days are ahead? So that's kind of me in a nutshell at this point.

Wow. Yeah. You know, that whole bullying thing, I, I don't know if I've ever shared this on a podcast. I probably have with this is. We've done 500 some episodes. But man, I. When I was growing up and I, I had issues. I, I remember like vividly, the kids can be mean, man, you know, like just thinking back, you know how. And I remember there was times where like I would get off the school bus and like kids would clap when I got, I mean, like just wicked, you know, and, and, and, and so I had, I had a lot of anxiety like early on, like seventh grade was my worst year ever. I used to throw up on the bus every day and like literally like I'd get on in the bus driver and hand me a bag and I'd sit right behind her and I'd throw up every day. And then event, my then neighbor, Jeff Marker, he, he was the, he was The, I think 11th or 12th grade alpha male. And he, he, he sat in the back seat by himself. He was a high school quarterback, had the girl for the cheerleader, girlfriend, had it all, you know, and he said, hey, why don't you sit. Sit beside me? And he goes, yeah, come sit beside me. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I get on and the school bus driver kind of clandestinely handed me my bag just in case, you know. So I go back and I sit in the back seat with Je sitting there and we're just chatting about whatever a seventh grade and a, you know, big high school kid. Can talk about football or whatever it was. And, and all of a sudden I remember I look up and we pulled up to the school and I was like, like, we pulled up to the high school first because that's where they dropped the high school kids off first before they dropped us off. But I realized I made it and I didn't throw up. And I share that story because it made really, I, I, I shared this the other day with a, a friend of mine that, you know, I think that mom, like, I changed my life, right? Like in seventh grade, like, my life was changed. And I think it was just imparted in me, like how that you can help other people, not necessarily just by kindness or anything like that, because come to find out, and Jeff and I have, you know, became really good friends over the years. And he told me that my mom put his mom up to it, right. So it wasn't like a completely authentic. But, you know, he played along. He didn't have to do it, you know, but, but just those folks cooperating with Winter and trying to help me and then him playing his part. I don't know where I would be today with, if that moment hadn't happened because I was racked with anxiety and all the rest of it. So it's so interesting hearing your story about how those early moments, man, can, can really form you. Right. And impact you.

And I love that you shared that because there's different levels of bullying. Some people have vicious bullying. I mean, awful, awful stuff, like physical stuff, painful stuff.

Right.

But I think almost every one of us has some type of a bullying story. And I think when we name it out loud like this, it gives other people courage to name theirs and maybe look back and say, oh, I didn't, I knew that was a big deal, but I didn't know it was that big of a deal in my formation over the years. And so the fact that you're calling that out. That I'm calling that out. There are going to be so many people listening who are going to be able to be. Oh, yeah, I want to raise my hand for that because I know what they're talking about.

Yeah. 100. Well, even just, you know, even can be like, you know, they'll talk about, you know, some, like, daddy wounds or whatever, you know, maybe some issues in your upbringing in your own family. You know, there's going to be wounds. And that's why, like, leading people in your, in our case, we're trying to help people improve their businesses or whatever it might be. And sometimes you know, there's just. People are damaged. It's like, why are you so negative? You know? Well, let me tell you, you know, and whoa, you know, so. But I don't know, sometimes you do have to peel back that onion, you know, to. To really get at the root of.

Of the issue for sure.

Well, hey, Eric, why don't you talk a little bit about. I know you've got a. Well, hashtag winthenow. Like, what's that all about?

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Well, hey, Eric, why don't you talk a little bit about. I know you've got a. Well, hashtag when, then, now, like, what's that all about?

Yeah, so like I said, I went through some pretty serious rounds of burnout. And one of those was really hitting about the time that Covid hit. I think it was a. It was a number of factors that hit. I was seeing the walls kind of closing in. My oldest son was getting ready to graduate from high school, and he was going to be going off to college in a short amount of time. And we had. And I had been just busy. Not, not necessarily all good stuff. Just, you know, how we get busy with work and everything's kind of the badge of honor that we wear anymore. How you doing? Busy. You know, you hear that from everybody. But it really come to kind of ahead for me. And we had a spring break trip plan to Spain and we were going to do that right? And it's right when Covet hit. So two days before we were going to leave, it got canceled. And I put so much on that trip. That trip was going to be this thing. It's going to be the final time where we kind of all got to hang out as a family with no agenda. Southern coast of Spain, looking over the Mediterranean. We're going to take a day trip to Tangier to check out some of the James Bond stuff and where some of that was filmed, all of that kind of stuff. And then, and then it got taken away and the burnout just felt like a vice. And then everything closed down. And eight for eight Weeks are. My dental practice was closed down. And at that point, dentistry is. That's just what I was doing. And so I knew that I needed to. I needed a disruption. Covid was a big disruption, but I needed a disruption in my. In my mindset, in the way I was. I was thinking, because it just wasn't working. And so I made a plan. I made. I said, as long as my dental practice is closed, every single day, I'm going to spend 30 minutes in quiet. I couldn't remember the last time I spent 30 minutes in quiet, But I was just gonna. I was gonna try that. I felt like I needed to do it. The first day I looked at my watch, 46 seconds into it, I thought, man, I gotta be getting close, right? 30 minutes has to be almost up. So. And it wasn't, obviously, but I hung in there. I didn't consider that a failure. I said, okay, I'm just going to keep doing this. So I changed my system and I started setting a timer on my phone. So it was. There was one requirement for that 30 minutes. There were no expectations other than quiet. So I did that. And over that time, what I really learned over that eight weeks and through that quiet is that I had been looking at life wrong. I had been either stuck in the past, thinking about all the bullying and all the things that had happened to me, or worried about the future. And so when we're stuck in the past or we're worried about the future, we miss the one thing that's guaranteed, and that's what's right in front of us, the now. So I think we have an epidemic, a pandemic, call it whatever you want, but it's happening, and people are absent participants in their own lives. It's just huge. And then I thought about that and I said, okay, so what do you do about it? So then over time, during that time, the phrase win the now came first. I thought, oh, win today. Let's do win today. And obviously, that's a busy space. A lot of people have talked about, win today, win today. But what I realized is I was coming home to my wife at the end of the day, and she would say, how was your day? My answer would be, oh, this happened, or this happened. So I would reduce a day to one thing that happened. So I realized instead of win the day, I needed something smaller because I could see in an average day in my dental practice, I could see have 30 to 40 interactions with patients and my team and all of that. So if I reduce it to the Worst one, I'm always going to have something bad talk about.

Yeah.

So instead, what when the now says is the moment right in front of you is the most important moment. And then in that moment, what does a win look like? So, Ron, for the time that we're talking together here, a win looks like us having a great conversation. A win looks like adding value to your audience. Win looks like giving people hope when looks like giving people something they can relate to. And then once this now is done, the next. Now, for me, I have about an hour before I have a friend coming over, and we're gonna dive deep into some stuff that he wants to talk about. I'm super excited about it, but I'm gonna try to get a workout in between then, so that now a win looks like getting my heart rate up, getting. Working on my health, really just I've been thinking with my mind a lot today so that I'm gonna work with my body. And so in the midst of all of that, you start looking for wins. And then when a loss comes along, which it's going to, I still get losses like everybody else. But then you take that loss and you either write it down in a notebook or you put it in a note app, and when you have a couple minutes, you come back to it, you say, okay, here's the loss. What can I learn from it? And once you've learned something from it, guess what? It's a win, not a loss. Exactly. So it's a mindset of both living in the present moment and then also trying to figure out, how do you find wins in that present moment?

Yeah. Yeah. What do you. What do you. What are your thoughts on, like, routines and habits and things like that? Are you, like, a habit guy? They have, like, a morning routine. Is that important to you? Or, like, how does that play out? Yeah.

So I am. I am a morning routine guy. I started to study a little while I read James Clear's Atomic Habits, like I think almost all of us have. But that was a light bulb moment for me reading that book and then. And then learning some of the things like. Like Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs were the same thing. To work every single day. And I thought, well, that's kind of weird, until I understood why we have to make a lot of decisions in a day. And I don't wear the same thing to work every day. I. Well, I do in my office. I wear scrubs every day. But, yeah, when I decide what I'm going to put on in the morning, that's a decision that's made the night before. And I have it lay down, ready to go. Because I know in the morning I don't want to start taxing my brain with decisions right away. So I try to do as many systems and habits as I possibly can. I'm not to the point where everything is exactly the same, but if I can cut out 8 to 10 to 20 decisions before I've even left the house, I'm going to be more ready for the important decisions that have to happen later in the day.

All right, I want to go back to the mountain, the top of the mountain. You sort of opened up with the beginning of our conversation. And I know in talking to you a little bit before we hit recording that that was a. A really pivotal moment for you. I'm wondering if you could just take us back there a little bit, tell us what was going on in your mind. I mean, as you mentioned, it was a massive achievement. But then I think you realized it's not. That's not it. You know, there's more. Walk us through that moment.

Yeah. So my. I had always been trying to achieve things, and I think a lot of us are. I think we get addicted to achievement. There was a point in my dental office where I had all my triathlon metals were framed up in my personal office where everybody could see that when they walked in. That was just a big part of what was important to me. Today. All those metals sit in a box. It doesn't mean they're not important. But what I realized in that is everything was about what's next. Everything was about more. And the danger in that is the first time I crossed the finish line for an Ironman triathlon, it took about an hour. And I was thinking about the next event. The thing is, I had spent a year training for that triathlon, specifically for that triathlon. And if all that's going to come from that is a medal. And about an hour pause and then we're right on to the next thing. To me, that's ridiculous. Now, I know some people love the process. They love the race, they love all of that. And great. If you find meaning and you find value in all of that, that's fantastic. And I applaud you for that. But what I found with myself is it was always, what's the next thing? And so I was tempted to feel that as well when I got to the top of the Mount Princeton. And I feel like I had missed out on so many moments, I missed out on so many opportunities to celebrate. Celebration is something that we, we do a crappy job of it. And I don't mean celebrate like we all go to the bar and everybody has a bunch of drinks and forgets their problems. That's not what I mean. Celebrating, celebrating. I mean, if you've been to a four year old's birthday party and you just see the unbridled joy of that, we need more of those moments. So when I got to the top of Mount Princeton and realized that I'd only been climbing for the sake of climbing, I realized there needed to be another way. There is nothing wrong with racing. There's nothing wrong with climbing mountains. I climbed Mount Kilimanjaro yet after that. But I looked at it differently and I looked at it with a lens of, okay, why am I doing this? Okay, now I look at it, I'm doing it for fitness. I'm usually doing it because I get to do it with somebody. I'm doing it because I love quiet, I love nature. It's very spiritual for me to be quiet in nature and to be able to experience God's creation and all of that kind of stuff. So it's more. I was, I was working off a, an old operating system that wasn't serving me anymore. The operating system of just more, more, more achievement, achievement, achievement. I wanted to switch to an operating system where there was some fulfillment in it, where I felt joy, where I felt like I'd accomplished something and not just for the sake of getting ready to check the next thing off.

How's the boy that was bullied? How's he? Is he still there or is he gone? What do you think about that?

He's still there. He's still there and I, I have to talk to him every once in a while because I. The equation that always came up for me for burnout was the same, always the same equation. I was over committed and I wasn't taking care of myself. And those commitments aren't necessarily just external commitments. They aren't just the different things, the different committees you serve on and your work and stuff like that. It can be, you can be over committed to your phone, you be over committed to Netflix, you can be over committed to YouTube. There's a lot of things and a lot of times it is, it is around our technologies. But every once in a while, the great thing about that kid staying around is I was asked on a podcast, what would you tell younger you the day that you started your job? And it's very easy. You have to take care of yourself. You have to, you just Absolutely have to. I don't know, a workaround. Because if part of that equation is off, over, committed and not taking care of yourself, you are going to find burnout. You just are. We can't keep pouring out. We can't keep pouring out. So he stays around and every once in a while he tries to nudge me into doing a whole bunch of other stuff that I don't have any time for or don't have the bandwidth for. And so I just, we have some conversations. So I, I appreciate you bringing him up.

Yeah, I'd love to hear. I mean obviously a very high achieving individual, you know, professionally, athletically, I mean even now just with this just new focus, you're, you're, you're clearly successful at that. But what do you think about. I mean you've touched on this a little bit, but, but just that balance between sort of achievement like you're getting things done but also fulfillment like how do you, is there a dichotomy between those two? A balance or, or do they work together? What do you think?

Yeah, I think I, I still think achievement's important. I think it is because you just look at the cross section of who's probably listening to this podcast. There's going to be a lot of high achievers on this, a lot of people who would, who would identify that way. So I don't think there's anything inherently bad in achieving, but I think we have to know why we're doing it. And that's where I think a lot of us get really tripped up. I need to know why I was climbing that mountain and we need to know why is the end all be all that we just keep advancing our whole career. Is that what we're supposed to do? Why are we supposed to do that? Where is the enough in all of that? Is there enough in all of that? Because it's very easy. All we have to do is look at social media and it used to be we could always compare to the person next door. The person down the street wasn't that hard. But now the problem is we look at the one person next door has a really cool car that we'd like to have. Well, somebody else has a house that we'd like to have. Well, somebody else, we get to see their kids achievements on social media and somebody else, we get to see their vacation pictures and somebody else, we get to see their workout videos and we get this BS picture of what we're supposed to be able to have. And if any of that is not there, we Feel like we're lacking. Yeah, right. So we think, man, all these things are possible. So if I don't have all of these things, I'm missing out. So I think a lot of us are achieving just for that reason to try to have it all. And so if you can't find joy in the chase, then good luck. I've actually become much more of what I would call a moment seeker instead of an achievement seeker. A moment seeker. So, for example, my son got married this last summer and I, since I was paying for the rehearsal dinner, I said I wanted a minute or two to be able to, to talk before the meal. And I wanted to talk to people about really trying to soak in the moment, really trying to soak in this evening and this experience this weekend. Really trying to have a five senses experience, because all five senses were there. We had an amazing meal. We could see each other, we could touch, hug, shake hands, whatever appropriate. We could hear each other's conversations, all of the senses. And so those are the things that I'm seeking out more than anything else. And, and that one other thing to add to that is if we are just trying to achieve in a solo path on our own, I think that gets really hard too. But if we can share it with people, if we can be in good relationship with people, I think that's where the secret sauce is.

Yeah.

Finding things to challenge us, sharing them with other people and then celebrating along the way.

Man, I love that story that you just shared about your congratulations, by the way, on your marriage of your son there. So, like, from, like more of like on a spiritual side, like I study like the whole idea of like, you have moments of consolation, which, like, that's a beautiful moment of consolation. Things are good and then there might be moments of desolation, right. Things are bad. And so sometimes when you're dealing with and when you're having that consolation, right? So they, the idea might be to sort of store some of that up, you know, because desolations come. It's going to come. It comes for everyone, right. No one can escape it. When you have that moment of desolation, then do you have anything sort of in the tank that you've put in there as reserve, you know, that you can kind of come back to? So I remember just my, my, I have seven kids, you know, it's a big family and, and some of them are older now, so we don't see them all the time anymore. But I remember it was maybe a year or so ago, we were all Together at this little restaurant in our town that we've gone to ever since the kids were little, little, little Italian restaurant. We just love going there and we were all sitting around and, and just eating. And I remember to stand looking around. Oh, make me emotional. Like I just remember just looking around and seeing my kids and I was like, gosh, this is life. This is what it is. You know, like that moment, you know, like. And I remember it now and it was like, oh, it might have been two years ago, you know, like. And it's just burned indelibly in me. So to your point, I think those moments are so important to just really, really hold on to, to grasp to a. Observe to hold and then, and then hold on to them. Right? Because yeah, when you have that moment of desolation later, you have got something to come back to. Do you. What do you think?

Oh, 100%. 100%. And then being a little careful about how you hold on to outcomes too. So Christmas is coming up, right. And so I just have two boys. One is married and one has a very serious girlfriend. So what I wanted at Thanksgiving is I wanted all six of us to have a little bit of time, just the six of us to be able to get together because I know how much I crave those moments. And so we were looking at, oh, maybe Wednesday night before. No, no, no. Nothing's working out. Nothing's working out. And so part of me was trying to get attached to it happening during that weekend. So instead the time we found out that worked for everybody was the Saturday before Thanksgiving. So I might have been able to squeak a little bit of time in around Thanksgiving. But instead that Saturday before everybody was over about 4 o' clock and we had fondue together and we played cards together and we laughed and Everybody left about 10 o' clock. And oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I think we attach so hard to. It has to be this and it has to be now. Yeah man, get it when you can get it and enjoy the heck out of it because you just don't know. And so I, I just think I agree with you 100. We have to have moments like that because they help keep us afloat during the tough stuff. For sure. We haven't been taking care of ourselves. And then that big. I'm going to have a book that's going to be coming out in a few months. It's called that dam analogy. And so what that's about is the flow of energy through our life. All we do, we're just we're like a dam. So we're a conduit of energy. It just, we store it up and then we let it flow through. The problem is we're not good at storing it up. We just let it flow through. So we get really low on the one side and we still have to keep letting it out. So that's where. That's where the problem gets. So we have to be, we have to be a little selfish to be selfless. We have to store up a little bit so that when those tough times come, we can, we can survive those.

Well, you got to put your oxygen mask on first before you help anybody else, right?

You. Do you hear it every time you fly?

Yep. Yep. Ah, so good. Hey, man, I really appreciate you coming on, Eric. This has been a. Not our typical episode, I think, but, but man, I really appreciate you, you opening up and sharing like you did. If folks wanted to, to learn more about your work or, or to connect with you personally on social media or anything like that. What do you got?

Yeah, so first thing, just offer a free gift for everyone. Through my website, ericwecker.com I have a five day knockback burnout challenge. And the reason that I wanted to create this is I've struggled so much with it and I don't want people to get to the point where they're dealing with chest pain, heart palpitations and panic attacks. I would really love it if people could get something figured out before they get there. So if you go to my website, that's really my home base for everything. I have a blog on there. Way to have a conversation about speaking, coaching, any of that kind of stuff. But the, the burnout challenge is a good place to start. It's, it's low pressure and it's. So I like to offer that there's links to my social media, all that kind of stuff in there. But that's, that's a great place to start.

Okay. Yeah. And we're going to get it linked up here in the show notes. But it's Eric E R I C then R E C K E R dot com. But yeah, just scroll down folks, and you'll see the links there. Hey man, this has been fantastic. I really appreciate you coming on Eric.

Thanks so much for having me, Ron. This has been a great way to spend the afternoon.

Yeah. Now go get that workout in.

Yeah, that sounds good.

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