202: How Polyvagal Theory Elevates Chiropractic Results

But then she started working more with chiropractors because she. She found out you can take a chiropractic assistant and make them amazing, but they're always going to be limited by the mindset of the chiropractor. So if the mindset of the chiropractor doesn't change, the office won't change. You are listening to Chirogandy, the podcast of sweet chiropractic success. Here's your host, Billy Sticker.

What? Welcome to another episode of the Chiral Candy podcast. Today I have with me Dr. Don McDonald. He's actually a client of ours up in Canada and does a great job working. He does some coaching with some other chiropractors. And thank you so much for being on the show today.

Thanks appreciate for having me on.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I would love to just kind of jump right in. Tell us a little bit about your background. What, why chiropractic?

Yeah. Well, as a big basketball player, I grew up in a little town in the mountains in Canada, and I asked my parents in grade 12 if I could move to the city to play basketball because there's a lot more competition. And, and it was great because I got a lot better at basketball, but I was always fighting with these chronic patella tendonitis bad knees. And I basically spent my whole life trying to get my knees better. And it wasn't until I was in college playing college basketball that I actually went to chiropractor the first time. And it was actually kind of funny because my first exam, he said, holy, your posture is horrible. And I was like, no, silly chiropractor. I came in for my knees. And he said, what's everybody been focusing on this whole time? And I'm like, my knees. And he said, how's it been working out? I'm like, obviously not very good. And I said, okay, I'll play it your way. And so I went under care. And like, I think it was after about six months under care, like, like, not only my knees got better, but my free throw shooting percentage got better. My concentration wasn't getting sick as often. Not fidgeting in class could study better. And I was like, that's it. First I was mad because no one told me about chiropractic for four years when I was struggling. But then I got inspired and said, hey, maybe this is what I should do for a living since I knew I wasn't going to make the mba. But.

Nice. I love, I love that. So whereabouts you said in the mountains of Canada. Whereabouts?

Yeah, so I'm in Alberta, so I live in Edmonton, Alberta, but I grew up in a little town called Grand Cache. And so I know you've been to Banff, right? You've been to Banff?

Yeah, we're going again in a couple of weeks.

Yeah. So if you go Banff, if you go north of that, there's Jasper and then if you just were like to beeline right through the, the bush because you have to kind of do a loop around. But it's called Grand Cache and so it's just right on the foothills. So it's just a little bit more north of Jasper and it's just kind of right where the foothills meet the mountains. So like on the one side it's a little bit more, more flat and hilly and then on the right it's all mountains. So it's a very beautiful place, but just isolated. The next town is like a two hour drive away and we only had 4200 people that live there and, and, and nothing else for a two hour drive. So it was pretty isolated.

Oh wow. Yeah, that's, that's kind of hard to imagine. We do love it up there. It's beautiful. We're going back at the end of the month and we'll be there for I think about 10 days. But we're going to Banff in Jasper, in Lake Louise.

Oh yeah. That's right in the middle, so that's perfect.

Yeah, I think we're going to be doing all of that with some of my wife's family. So. Yeah. Great. So whenever you said you wanted to move to the city, where did you guys move to?

So when I moved to the city like I was in grandkids and I actually moved to the city that I practice in right now. Cause it was kind of always the closest city when I was a kid, even though it's about a four and a half hour drive. But I just lived with my uncle and I just tried out for a team and the only reason I went to this high school was because my mom went to it. And then I realized they're actually ranked fourth in our province so it'd be like fourth in the state. And then I freaked out. Cause I'm like, oh my gosh, I better make this team because it's really good. And, and I ended up making the team which was good. And then.

Nice.

It was all history.

Nice. Very good. So tell me about the Polyvagal theory and what you guys are doing with that.

Yeah, like in our journey, starting to Work with chiropractors. We kind of started off with a program called the Vitality Shift. And our big focus was always trying to help chiropractors bridge that gap between people coming in with symptom based concerns and then linking it to all the other benefits of chiropractic care helps or that we that are available. And so many chiropractors were super frustrated because they had that hard time getting their people to like, get it, get the chiropractic message. And so that whole program was really focused on communicating individually with each individual person and then also doing objective testing so that we could measure objectively different things like balance and posture and HRV and all these different ways that we can create, we call them vital signs so that we could actually measure their progress over time just to help link the gap. And then we're doing really well with that. We travel around the world. We got chiropractors from like, I think 10 different countries or actually we've had almost 400 chiropractors go through the vitalyshift program. And then the pandemic hit and then we weren't traveling anymore. And then I was like, while we were at home, kicked out of our office because we weren't allowed to practice except for emergency patients. You know, Brandy had. We were watching this guy called Dr. Stephen Porges, who actually does. He created a thing called the polyvagal theory probably about like 40 years ago. And she, she was familiar with it because she used to be like a social worker and she worked with kids. And so it was a lot in the counseling world. And. And I just realized I was also seeing my regular people. When I did see them because of the pandemic, everybody was like freaked out and stressed out. Like all my normal people that, you know, responded to the care that I was giving them before wasn't responding the same. And they were all seemed to be different, but like how we were taught. I did a lot of chiropractic neurology and work with Michael Hall. And so we were all big into sympathetic dominance. So, you know, if you're sympathetic, fight or flight, you're bad. And then if you're parasympathetic, rest and repair, you're good. But these people were not good. But they did not look stressed. So like it was weird. And so it just happened. At the same time, we start learning about this Polyvagal Theory with Dr. Stephen Porges. And what he discovered was the vagus nerve, which is 75% of the parasympathetic nervous system. Which is huge, because if we. If we're, you know, as chiropractors, we want to be the doctors of the nervous system. We want to be aware of what is 75% of the nervous system doing. And the crazy thing about the vagus nerve is it's not even a spinal nerve. So it's a cranial nerve, and it's 75% of the nervous system. And to make it even more important, there's two branches of the vagus nerve, and so one is called the ventral vagus. That's the ventral part of the vagus nerve. And. And that's really the one that we want. So in the old days, when we said we wanted people to be parasympathetic, that is where it regulates our nervous system. It allows us to be socially connected. It hooks into four other cranial nerves around the face. So just allows us to, like, see and make facial expressions and have head movements and connections and our voice. It actually helps to a little bit explain why Harvey Lillard got his hear back as well. Because if our social engagement's offline because our nervous system is dysregulated, it affects all of our communicating capacities, including hearing. And so I was like, this is amazing. And then the other part of the vagus nerve is called the dorsal vagal. And this is actually. It's like a conservatory shutdown mechanism. And this really made me understand these people coming in who were like, flat face, not very much facial expression. They look like they were just very calm, but they were actually basically shut down. It's kind of like how a lizard or sometimes you see those fainting goats, if you've seen that on Facebook, where if they get scared, they just faint.

They just. Yeah, they just fall over.

That's the dorsal. That's the dorsal vagal. Right. And so just being able to understand those different levels of the nervous system and understanding that in order for us to be able to get up into that ventral vagal circuit, we have to detect neurological safety in our environment. And so neurological safety is a little bit different than just safety. It's actually our nervous system has a thing called neuroception, which is constantly surveilling our environment inside and out for any kind of threat. And this threat doesn't have to be, like, actual threat at this time. It also can be threat that maybe, you know, if we've had, like, a bad experience as a kid or trauma in the past, sometimes certain things in our environment that aren't actually threat might trigger that response as a threat. And then as soon as we go into threat, our two options are, first, fight or flight. Which is what we always talked about before is that sympathetic fight or flight. Or if it gets really bad, it goes dorsal vagal, and then we get into that shutdown. And so we basically started teaching our chiropractors this. And. And it's just such a crazy thing, because chiropractic's always had the big idea. Like, it's worked forever. We just have had a horrible time being able to explain it. Like, we used to see, you know, we would say, like, the bone on nerve, and it pushes on the nerve. And then it was like the old posters where it had the water that went to the plant, and then when the vertebra is out of alignment, it squishes the water, and then the water plant doesn't get water. And then we knew that wasn't the case, and then we started learning, learning more and more about how to explain it. And. And once you get deep into the polyvagal theory, it just. They call it the algorithm of the nervous system. And once you really get a good grasp around the algorithm of the nervous system, like, as a chiropractor, first, it helps us to understand ourselves and why it's so important to look after ourselves. But two, it just amplifies our effect of being able to help a practice member get into that regulated healing state a lot faster. And it's funny, because so many different professions are trying to use the polyvagal theory, and so many different advertisements on Facebook are trying to stimulate the vagus nerve. And. And we don't realize that in chiropractic, we. We have a hardwire right in to that ventral vagal circuit. And if most chiropractors actually do this subconsciously anyway, so a lot of the different nuances that we talk about, they're. They're subconsciously doing it, but it just makes you way more powerful when you understand why you are subconsciously doing it. So that's kind of a long answer, because it's pretty deep, but. No, that's kind of an intro to it.

Yeah, that's great. So what do you guys. So Brandy saw this, you guys got interested in it, and then. So now you work with other chiropractors, helping them understand. Is that more technique or.

Well, it's actually kind of cool because it's just like a chiropractic principle. Like the polyvagal principles is. It can. It basically layers through everything. So Brandy has always been, you know, she's the amazing communicator for Chiropractic, She. She can link chiropractic to anything, to anybody. And this also helped her to explain why she's such a good communicator as well. Because even when you're in a conversation with someone, you have to be very aware of their social cues and know if you're like. Because, you know, if you say something and it kind of turns somebody off, their physiology kind of changes right away. And if you become a more aware of that, you can actually get back on track with the conversation. Because a lot of times if you're, you know, you're describing chiropractic someone on a first visit or if they're having challenges and they come in, they're very stressed, if we say something and we see, we knock them offline and we just keep talking. They basically just block every single thing that we say. And so in a communication model, it just amplifies your effectiveness because you become basically like a communication ninja, because, you know it. You know, what cues to look at to know if they're actually listening to you. And. And you're a lot more nuanced because, you know, some chiropractors would be like, I got my script on my first visit. And they start saying their script. And if you were to watch the person, you know, not that their eyes fully roll back, but there's like, indications that their eyes are rolling back.

They're not paying attention.

Yeah. And then they just keep. They just keep saying the script and they. And it's just falling on deaf ears. And then they're all frustrated. They're like, why didn't they. Why didn't they understand? Or I already told them that once before. Why don't they understand it? And I think. And so she, she's. She again, she kind of innately did it, but it's kind of being able to understand why neurologically or how neurologically we can become a better communicator when we're talking to multiple different people. Because I think in the old days, you know, we. In the old days of chiropractic, we use scripts. And I think the reason that works so good is in the old days, we could base everything off of authority. So if you're, you know, the teacher, preacher, medical doctor, you know, chiropractor would sometimes wear a white coat because that would create authority. And if you had authority, people would pay attention to you and listen to you more. Nowadays with the new generation, they almost go against authority.

So.

So they, they care more about connection. And are you. Do you care for Them and, and are you making this conversation relevant to their life? And then they'll listen to you. But they, they. We hear that line all the time now that they don't care how much you know until they know how much you care. And, and caring is being able to actually connect with another human. Like actually take the effort and learn how to. To create that connection. So, so that's one of the ways we've done it, is through communication. And then I realized I was starting to modify my technique quite a bit. And when I realized that the vagus nerve is 75% of the parasympathetic nervous system, and I realized that the vagus nerve is 80% sensory. So that means it's 80% like monitoring. It's like a monitor system monitoring for threat in our physiology, that maybe I should be checking the physiology, especially on the ventral aspect of the people. So it's like the ribs being able to breathe, the viscera, the hip flexors, just a lot more work on the front. And so it basically came up with the whole protocol called the McDonald's Safety Corridor Protocol, where we really. What it does is it doesn't replace the adjustment at all. And it doesn't make you do a certain technique. What it does is it just helps you to. It's almost like checks, safety checks in the physiology to make sure that after the adjustment there is regulated as possible. So I just call it like an amplification on the chiropractic adjustment so that we can make sure that at the end of every visit you can see just with social cues in their eyes and their face that they're in more of that regulated state. And I just think post pandemic and with like all the, you know, the wars in the world and all the political stuff going on, there's so much stress that I. The people just need a little bit more help. Like, we. It's not enough anymore just to remove the danger cue, which I call it subluxation. So we have subluxation in the spine. That's a danger signal to the nervous system where the nervous system can't relax or go into a state of ease. So it's not. Not just enough just to remove the subluxation, but there's also ways to put safety cues into the nervous system. It's almost like if in a war zone, it's not. It's not good enough for me to say, hey, Billy, come on, like, I'm taking you out of the war zone. But I. I don't just take you out of the war zone and just put you there and just get over it. Now I want to, you know, put my arm around you or something and go, billy, okay, we're okay. And then we need to. Safety cues afterwards.

We can't, you know, just there.

People are still vibrating after the trauma, Even when the trauma is gone. We just need that little extra.

Yeah, that's great. So when did. Were you doing any kind of coaching and consulting before this, or is this kind of what took you down that road?

Well, we started, like I said, we started about nine years ago with the vitality shift. And then. So we had it. We had it. We have a program, and so it was an online program, but then we also did live seminars as well. And then, because before that, Brandy used to speak like she spoke at Parker seminars. I think she did 50 in a row or 40 in a row way back in the day. And we did the circuit and we kind of cut our teeth at Parker seminars. And she was mostly doing chiropractic assistant training. But then she started working more with chiropractors because she, she found out you can take a chiropractic assistant and make them amazing, but they're always going to be limited by the mindset of the chiropractor. So if, if the mindset of the chiropractor doesn't change, the office won't change. And so she really preferred now working with, with doctors and then, and then the staff afterwards. But like, if we can have that top down approach in an office, we can really get some serious change compared to the bottom up. Which is actually funny because in, in the McDonald's safety corridor, in that, that whole track of the Vegas, we're doing a little bit of the opposite. We're doing bottom up because we're trying to get safety into the body, which will then initiate our brainstem. So our brainstem is kind of our detective system of the, of the nervous system. And when that is detecting safety, it allows our prefrontal cortex and our online. And, and that's why a lot of people who get under chiropractic care will notice that they, that they become more personable. You know, we, we joke around all the time. Sometimes you get a new patient in the office, and at first you'll be, boy, that guy's a jerk. Like, after the first visit, you're like, I don't really like that guy at all. And then after they're under care for a few visits, they're like, hey, that guy's actually pretty nice. But it's just, it's because they're detecting so much danger. They're just like in their kind of reptilian brain. And as soon as they get into that state of ease, they just automatically become more social. Because as humans, we're social beings.

What difference have you seen with the offices that have started focusing more on this?

It's kind of a little bit like, of a. It's almost like a little bit of an amplification of what I experienced in my office. And especially post pandemic, some chiropractors were feeling frustrated that, you know, they were doing the same thing that they were doing before, but they're not quite getting the same results or the same response through their people. And it also, it helps them to understand. So I think, I think chiropractic, you know, we do stuff because it kind of worked in the past, and so we keep doing it. So we kind of learn through trial and error. Like, for example, just when you're adjusting with someone, like matching your breath to the practice member, like, often chiropractors just do that subconsciously. But, but then when we realize that that's actually a cue safety because we're actually, we're like almost sinking into the nervous system. Our, our, our nervous system is syncing with their nervous system. But if you understand why that's so important in order to get the person into state of ease, it just makes you way more powerful. And I find too that a lot of the chiropractors are just enjoying practice a lot more too, because you kind of get more rich, you get more depth with each person and it just. Anytime you get more skills and you get better at what you do, you just get more excited about it because you're better and you're more effective.

Excuse me. Yeah, that's, that's really good. You know, we've been under chiropractic care for years now and been adjusted by just great people. And it's not even the technique. So it's obvious that there's, there's something more than just, you know, than just the technique at times. And that does make, you know, really make a lot of sense. Just somebody that you really kind of connect with because we know it's more than just, you know, than just physical and muscular skeletal. So I think this is great how if somebody wanted to learn more about, about this, just a polyvagal theory. And I think you said you even have some training and stuff, which we'll drop the link in, in the show notes about that later.

But yeah, well, I Have a podcast. So you're going to be on my podcast, so.

Oh, that's right.

The recording of this, you're coming out. So it's called the Informed. The Informed Chiropractor Podcast. And so we have a lot of stories about our clients that have been, that have been implementing this both in their practice for technique, but then just in their life and in their office and communication. And then we also just have a, like a free introductory to the Polyvagal Theory for Chiropractors course that we'll just throw that link in. Our website is the informchiropractor.com and, and we have like kind of a combination between, like we have an online group mentoring program and then we also do live events. So we again, and the reason that we do live events is, is there's this term called co regulation, which I'm just going to mention this too, because chiropractors, I think this is what makes chiropractors amazing, no matter what technique they are. So when our nervous system has been dysregulated for a long time, one of the quickest ways to get back to a regulated state is to be around someone else who's regulated. And you know those people that if you hang out with, you've just been hanging out with them for 5, 10 minutes and you just feel better?

Sure, absolutely.

You just feel better. And other people, you hang out for five minutes and then you feel way worse.

Drained.

Yeah. And they haven't even touched you yet. And so the thing about chiropractic is it's so powerful on its own just with the adjustment. But if you understand how to keep yourself in a regulated state, you become a super powerful co regulator. Where a lot of people nowadays, even after post pandemic, they actually don't have any other. We call them safe humans. So a safe human is someone who you just feel good around. But there are, there are practice members who come in that anyone in their life, there is no one safe. And I've had multiple people say, you're my safe human. And it's pretty sad. But that's the responsibility that we have as chiropractors is that once we understand the power of safety, neurological safety in the nervous system, we almost have responsibility to educate them and actually look after ourselves so that we have a greater effect, a greater regulatory effect when we perform our adjustment. And also all of our chiropractic assistants, our staff at the front, we. That's why most patients, they often come in the front door and they already said, I feel Better just walking in here like that's the safe co regulatory environment. And that's why you want to almost like kind of run it through your whole office. So you're getting it from the front end, you're getting it from the call, you know, from the call in, from the CAS to your first exam, to your report of findings, to the regular visits, all the way till you exit out. You want it to be an experience that just fosters regulation in all your practice members.

Yeah, that's so good. And you know, I heard an associate tell a story one time about the doctor whenever he was first an associate right out of school and he was sharing how this doctor was a Christian and they'd like pray over the patient list that morning. And he said he glanced over and this doc was crying. And regardless of where you are spiritually, I think what I'm getting ready to say will really resonate with a lot of us. He made the comment, he said, it breaks my heart that so many of these people never get loved on, but we get to do that every day, put our hands on them and love on these people and connect with these people and, and so much of society just misses that, you know. So it just kind of reminds me of what you're saying with this.

Well, and it's just. And that's the thing is it like the polyvagal theory just has slightly different language and chiropractic has its own language but like 100%. So like on someone is being an amazing co regulators. That's the exact same. That's exactly what it is.

Yeah, absolutely. Let me ask you this. If you were to, if we were to move you, put you in a brand new town, you have all of your skills, all your equipment, whatever you needed for your practice, you've got a space, you just have no relationships, what would you do week one, month one to actually get that practice going?

Well, the question back would be is it me right now or is it me when I was a first grad right now? Okay. Because I have money now. So that would be different.

Yeah. No, and that's. Yeah.

So when you, when you get to, when you get to a certain level, right, you have time or you have money. Right. And so. Right. If you have more money than time. But again, I would be again, what we've been doing with you, I'd be setting up my Facebook ads, I'd be setting up a really good a website, right. Linking it up, getting a really good SEO on Google. I would get out to. And then I'D still do some live stuff like you still want to get out into the community. So what I always find is, is it I like to see people who I like and I like people who do the same things I like. So if I played basketball I go, you know, find some place where I go see basketball. Every time I played basketball or played hockey or I went golfing or any, any activities that I like to do. If you have kids go around where other parents are with other kids, you just automatically start attracting people. So it's about connecting. Like you need to be in front of people. So I would just be meeting as many people as I could. I would be talking to other care providers as well. Whether it's like massage therapists, medical doctors looking for some referral networks. I've done corporate talks like so business talks. You can do lunch and learns where you talk to people about like. And again stress is just such a, an amazing topic, especially nowadays and, and how chiropractic is such an amazing way. You can even link just posture stress because if you have bad posture, that's a stress physiology. And so everybody should be able to stand up straight and nobody really can stand up straight. And so you're like, then you need chiropractic. So you just make it really easy. But yeah, I would just blast it from all those, blast it from all those angles and then just make sure that I'm, I'm really honed at individually communicating with each people on how important chiropractic is to what's most important to them. So that the ones that did come in, I'd keep them so they would stay, so they'd stay under care and then, then I'd be. Rock and roll.

Yeah. What's, what's your goal in practice and with your coaching and consulting, you know, over the next three to five years, what would you like to see happen in both of those?

In our practice actually we're planning on selling our practice actually in a couple years. I've been in practice for 27 years and so it'll be almost 30, 30 years in practice. And the reason being is that we live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, which is like really cold for a lot of the year. It's funny you in the summer you come up to Canada to get cool and then we always go everyone else to get warm because we're always cold. But I think we just, we just want a little bit of different experience. Like definitely not going to retire, but we'd like to go somewhere either. I'd like to Teach at a school. I might go to Europe and just like locum or practice as an associate for a bit. I probably eventually come back and just have like, instead of running, just like a full time, high volume, busy practice, you know, like kind of a hobby practice by a golf course where it's like part of your house and you're open like just a few mornings a week. That's kind of my goal as far as, is chiropractic adjusting goes. But as far as teaching, I'm really enjoying it. Like I, my wife really made me do it because I hated to talk especially to colleagues. Like I felt like who am I to suggest how to adjust people to my fellow colleagues. But I've really seen some big changes with people just getting different nuances. And I like to work with chiropractors who've already been in practice for like 10 to 20 years. So it's, it's just kind of getting a different spin or just slightly changing something or just doing a little tweak. I always use the analogy as a golf, golf teacher. So you could be a golf teacher where you're just teaching someone how to golf who've never golfed before. Or you could be like a, where you coach a pro where what you're doing is you're just, you're just putting a slight nuance, you're just, you're getting a little bit more of a fade on that shot or you just, are you just getting a little bit more backspin on the, on the, on the wedge. So I really like that because chiropractors, we've been in practice for a while, they pick up so fast and from concept to implementation is like one day. So the great thing I hear from a lot of our chiropractors, once they come to our events, it's very, very hands on and applicable to their current technique. They don't have to learn something all over new again. They can apply it right away and they just kind of, they just up their game. I always think of chiropractors like professional athletes and we always just want to get, get a little bit better at our craft.

Yeah. And we should always be striving to become more valuable. And what a great tool and skill set that you can add to what you already do. That's just going to help you amplify the results that you're getting. The connections you make with your patients, you know, then the referrals that come in from that, it all starts to magnify and multiply. Just making these little bitty incremental things. But yeah, it sounds great. So what would people do if they wanted to find out more?

So I think they just. If they head to the informchiropractor.com they can just kind of sign up that they want to look through there. There's a couple little free offerings that we have on there. But I would just listen to our podcast because then you just. Then you just hear stories of live chiropractors that have actually learned about the polyvagal theory. And again, I don't have them all do it exactly the same way I do. So it's not like. It's not like a Thompson technique or a Gonset technique or where you have to follow my, like, recipe. It's more of like a mindset and concepts to like to thread through your current adjusting style. And that's why I think it's so quickly implementable because it's just whether you're. We've had network practitioners, torque release practitioners, drops, manual, diversified, gone, set, like all those different ones, these nuances are just. They just help to amplify it each way. So I think if you listen to a few of the podcast episodes and they can reach out to me on social too, like, anytime they. On Facebook or whatever, just reach out and they can. They can ask me anything they want. Because I'm. I love. This is what we do. This is what we do for fun. My. My patients bug me all the time because we're gone like every three weeks, usually on the weekends doing seminars, and they're like, do you ever just travel for fun? And I'm like, this is fun.

I guess that's what I do. Yeah, I definitely get that. Yeah. I think it sounds almost like what you're saying is it's more of a process than it is a formula.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. And it's a. It's a mindset. So it's it's just like, I'm almost thinking like too is that we know what the end result is. So we become very clear like the. In the physiology and in their social engagement system of what our end outcome is. And there's multiple ways to get there. And. And so as long as we're kind of clear on what our end outcome is and we're. And we know what to look for, then then it actually gives us permission to be creative because it also increases your creativity because sometimes you might need to do something a little different or it might need to look at a different way or. And I think that's. You Know, we, we get some chiropractors that sometimes they feel like either burnt out or they're losing their mojo because they feel like they're just doing the same. It's like, it's like if you followed recipes for making a muffin and then you just follow it and you just follow it, you just follow it and you just follow it that over time, it just seems like you're doing the same thing and it doesn't seem, it just isn't as rewarding. But if you're, if you're trying, if you can create creativity and create your own art kind of thing, your own art in adjusting which, which help new ways to get people regulated in a really, really quick way. So most practice members at the end when they get adjusted this way, they'll get up and they'll be like, I am different. Like, they, they will say it, I'm different. I, I am lighter. I am like, clear. I'm like, I feel so much better. I have less tension in my body. Like, we, we want that. Like, that's our target all the time. In the old days, sometimes you just. They'd say, we don't want to hear any symptoms. We just want to adjust them and get on your way. And. But, but I, I kind of want to. I don't want them only coming in for symptoms. But when we talk about the polyvagal theory and really realizing it's so important to be able to have interoception, which is the ability to feel inside our body, we actually do want to honor the feelings. And it also does help give us some good information. So we have our objective testing, our objective technique, testing how they're feeling inside. And we match it all together just to amplify the whole process.

All right, so the informedchiropractor.com you get the podcast and then we'll also, we'll put a link to that free training inside of the. Inside of the show notes. So if you're watching this on YouTube, it'll be in the, in the description or Spotify or whatever. We'll put, put the link in that. Thank you so much for, for being on today. Really appreciate it and, and hope you just continue doing what you're doing, making an impact in the profession so they can go out and make an impact in their communities.

Well, thank you for doing what you're doing. Because like I said, the reason I reached out to you guys in the first place was it when you're creating a whole new protocol and technique and traveling every week and stuff like that.

It's.

And then trying to learn about Facebook ads and just kind of, you know, keeping. Keeping a little bit that lifeblood fresh in your office. I was just like, I'm delegating it. So we've delegated out. I've used quite a few different agencies in the past, and a lot of them kind of come out of the gate strong and then they kind of like pitter, pitter out. And. And so, like, I think we've been with you for like five months and it's just been. Just been a nice, consistent. Like, we're, we're. I'm. I'm like, I don't. I'm in a kind of a nice position where I don't need that many new people, but I just want that just to be looked after. And, and it's just a. It's just a slow, steady stream of people and it just works out great for us. So I really appreciate what you guys do at Guy.

Again, good. Thank you. Yeah, I know Taylor manages Yalls account and she likes working with you guys, so definitely appreciate it. And, you know, thank you again. Let me know anything at all I can never do to better serve you guys. And thanks for coming on, sharing with the community.

Thank you very much.