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Welcome to Executing the Vision podcast. I'm your host, Brad Hunter, president of Emerge Labs. On the podcast, we'll get to know the person behind the vision, their successes, their challenges, and their plans for the future. If you're interested in becoming a guest or know someone who might be a good fit, stick around to the end and we'll discuss how to apply. Now. Enjoy the show, everyone. Welcome to another edition of Executing the Vision. I'm your host, Brad Hunter and today I've got Brent Eck, the founder of countless companies in the healthcare space. And so I'll let you kind of take over from here and walk us through your journey a little bit.

I've been leading businesses around nutrition and healthcare for the last 20 plus years, around the world, kind of. Most recently, I'm working on an app with a couple, a couple other co founders, you know, came out of, out of actually a, one of my annual physicals, right? So you go to your physical, you go to your doctor, he draws blood and he says, you know, if something's wrong, I'll call you in a couple months. And I just thought to myself, well, I'm, you know, getting up there. I'm not a young man anymore and I'm kind of at the point in my life where, you know, I'd like a little bit more than that. Right. I'd like to know, did you actually ask for the right biomarkers to be looked at? You know, how do I take those biomarkers and actually do something with them and live a healthier and more fulfilling life? I certainly, who said, I think it was George Bush who says, I want to kind to die fast as late as possible. You know, you kind of want it to be a sine wave, right? You kind of want to, want to live as long as you can and when it's time for it to be over, you want it to be over as quickly as humanly possible. Right. Or a square wave, not a sine wave. Right. So that's really the, the journey that I've been on with Sage is really, you know, go through and, and think about sort of what are the things that kill most people and how do I keep those things from killing me? There's a little bit of a backwards way to look at it, but that's the, that's the essential of what we're trying to do at, at Sage. I've been connected with healthcare and Nutrition for, for 20. You know, I started my career working for a German pharmaceutical company that did sort of hospital based clinical nutrition so all the intravenous nutrition and oral nutrition there and then. And then ran a business called MetaGenics for eight years. CEO there. I was a great business, about $400 million in revenue globally in 40 markets around the world. And it was a privilege to run Metagenics. It was a company that was started by the same guys that started the whole functional medicine movement, right? Guys like Jeff Bland and Mark Hyman and David Perlmutter. Like all these guys that are doing all this great stuff in functional medicine. You know, they were all wrapped up with Metagenics for years and years and years too. So really a cool business to be. To be running for a bunch of years and kind of when that period was over, just started my own thing. So that's kind of the journey, so to speak.

Well, what's the timeline from when you're sitting in the office and this idea kind of dawns on you that the current system is terrible. I need to do something different to where we are today.

I mean, in different ways, shape ways and forms. Probably a decade. And it's kind of started in fits and starts, I would say. When I was at Metagenics, part of what we were trying to do was really do that kind of within the healthcare system, if I could call it that way. So sort of give doctors who kind of want to do personalized and precision medicine new tools to be able to do it. So we did that for eight years at Metagenics. We're building all those tools for doctors and, you know, it's nutrition products, but it was also, you know, software and, and protocols and different things that they could use to help their patients on their journey. And kind of, you know, as time evolved, it really became okay, well, actually, let's go this. Let's go head on here. And so that's the approach we've been taking probably for the last 18 months or so with Sage. It's really only been around for that long. And it's really a more direct approach. We're not sort of trying to work through the system now. We're kind of working directly with consumers and sort of, you know, help consumers on that journey themselves. And, you know, there's a lot of different moments along the way that were inspiring. Probably reading a book by a guy like by Eric Topol or sort of listening to Peter Attia's podcast, where you realize people or consumers today, certainly Americans are much more interested in directly engaging in their own healthcare and finding new sense of health autonomy. Like, I want to be in control of my Own health. I don't want to delegate that to my doctor, certainly. I mean, I don't know what the situation is with your parents, but, you know, I always talk to my mom. Hey, mom, why are you doing this now? Well, my doctor told me, was that the right thing to do? Is that the wrong thing to do? I don't know. My doctor told me my mom was completely delegated her health to the doctor.

Yeah.

Isn't that generation. It's kind of like, no, I want to be in control of my own health. I want to have a say for where I'm going.

Yeah. Which to me, it's very interesting because for sure, that's how I was raised. I mean, that's how it was for years. I mean, I'm trying to think, for me, when that click occurred. Right. You know, because forever it was just like, go to the doctor. Don't even think to ask that many questions. You just assume that they're going to tell you all the relevant information you need to know and blah, blah. And then. Yeah, then I'd say, for me, I feel like the past five, maybe 10 years, I guess for me, it probably came more around. I tend to get a ton of skin cancer, like basal cell harmless, whatever. And it was probably my first moment just constantly going back to the dermatologist and like, is there anything else I could be doing? No, you just got to come and we gotta, you know, take it and cut it and blah, blah, blah, and stitch it and like, man, really? That's. That's the only. Yeah, that's it. That's the only option.

I'm the same way, like, every time I see the dermatologist, I walk out a few thousand dollars lighter in my pocket. Right. Because I got six things they want to cut out of me and test. And, you know, I go in there and I get the scan and maybe sometimes I get the same person, like, looking at me. Maybe it's a different person. They're looking at me. And, you know, sometimes, I mean, get a little bit personal here, but, like, it's a very thorough exam and sometimes it's a less thorough exam. And if it's a less thorough exam, what does that mean? Are they. Are they good? Are they bad? You know, you have the reflection, like, how good are you on your best day and how good are you on your worst day? What's the dynamic range between what you can accomplish as an individual? Like when you slept really well the night before, you've been eating the right things, you've been exercising Versus, like, I don't know, it's holiday season, you've gone to a few too many Christmas parties. Whatever else, like, that dynamic range is massive. Now, like, apply that thinking to your doctor. What doctor are you getting that day? Like, when you go into the dermatologist, are you getting, are you getting your doctor him or her on her best day or not? Are you even getting your doctor? Are you getting a PA and are they having their best day? And it's like, how do you create tools that help folks like this always have their best day? And you talked about, like, the moment clicking. And I would say, at least for me, it's still clicking. Like, it's one of those things. The more you start pulling the string on this, the more it unravels and you start getting, you know, new insights every, every single day. What can you do in healthcare to feel more empowerment and to really help, you know, make sure your doctor's always making the best decisions? I know that when I have a great day, it's unbelievable what I can accomplish and how I can see around corners. And if I'm having a bad day, it's unbelievable how unproductive I can be, how many mistakes I can make. And I just hate to think about that with the doctor. I'll never forget getting like an 88% on a math test when I was in, like, fifth grade and Mr. Bridges, my math teacher, you know, I looked at him, I go, that's not bad, 88%. And he goes, I hope you never have open heart surgery and say that to your doctor. You don't want them doing an 88% job on your heart. I'll never forget that moment, having a beer with a friend the other day, and he said, yeah, you know, I'm in my 40s now and had the same experience you just talked about. I got my blood drawn when I saw my doctor, and a few things came back a few weeks later and they were in the yellow, and my doctor didn't call me. And I thought to myself, well, am I going to die? What's going to happen here? He didn't even go down the rabbit hole. I, I, I brought him down originally, which was to say, well, do you even know your doctor asked for the right things? What if there's things that are yellow or red that he didn't even ask to test? That's part of the journey we're all on. What we're trying to do in this business at Sage is help you understand everything. You take the steps that your doctor doesn't have the time to. To take you down and then also just make sure you're not missing anything. And that's really the. The essence of what we're trying to accomplish at Sage.

The more and more, you know, I visit the doctor with having this kind of, the more I firmly believe the doctors kind of. They're in their little niche and they've been doing what they've been doing, and they're not even interested in new information because I listen to now a lot of podcasts and stuff and humor and whatever, right? There's a lot of content out there. And, you know, if you start paying attention to health stuff, you get fed a lot of content. Not all of it's 100% accurate, but there's a lot of stuff out there. And I mentioned some of these things the doctors and, like, never heard of it. It's like something that, like, I've heard on four different podcasts and, you know, read different studies that, like, thing. That thing. And they just don't even, like, Nah, I don't really even know about that. You know, what you guys are doing and building is very much so needed. And what I'm also very curious about then is tell me the AI portion of this whole thing, where is that involved in the business?

It started with, with just using machine learning to sort of pull the first, you know, the first place we use it was like, I've got a bunch of old blood labs actually sitting in on paper in a spiral notebook from a doctor I saw in 2008, 2010. And it's like, okay, it's sitting in that spiral notebook. I don't know if it's doing any good. And then when I get a new blood lab taken, what's changed over the past year? Like, my testosterone is not really high right now. It's not really low. It's kind of in the middle. Is that a problem? Is that not a problem? Well, that actually, it depends. Where was it when I was 25? Has it changed dramatically since then? I actually have those papers. I have that data. But the answer to that question is really hard to go find. So we started using AI to say, okay, like, how can I take a picture of that with my iPhone of that old, old test from 2010, scan that data into the phone and actually, like, turn it into structured data so that I can compare it to the stuff I've been doing more recently. Right. So it started there, and it's just getting more and more sophisticated. So now, like, we built a whole set of content around the top 500 most common lab tests that you can get. And we're using AI now. It's like a mini large language model. And then it'll help, like, summarize the labs that you have and what's changing and what's happening. And actually the latest feature that will be coming out in the next month or so is using AI to actually send an email to your doctor. And what the AI will do is it'll summarize all of the blood labs you've had over time, show the trends, and then come up with 10 really relevant questions you should be asking your doctor and your doctor should be able to answer for you. All these really interesting, innovative places where AI can go. Like you mentioned seeing the dermatologist we're working right now too on actually doing skin exams, because I'm the same way as you. Like, I'm constantly at the dermatologist and the freckles and moles and God knows whatever I have all over my body, they're. They're moving targets. They're all over the place. And so we're, we're building features where I can. You can scan different parts of your body that you're concerned with and maybe go scan once a month or once a week, and you can see how the things are evolving over time. Because to be honest, that's actually what matters. Is this mole, is this freckle, is this blemishes, whatever, is it changing? Is it moving around? And then we can use AI to track that and see if that's a concern. We can use AI to look at sort of common nutritional deficiencies and excesses you may have that can, like, manifest the way your nails are growing and the way your hair is changing. I mean, you can do phenomenal things with AI.

And I love the idea of, you know, how you're talking about training your own models. That's where I've really been diving deep and kind of exploring. I'm starting to create one for myself. I just, you know, I'm working with a company now and we're uploading all of my everything, right? All the podcasts, all this, all that and training one for myself. And when you really spend time in that space and really start to understand what it can do, it's mind blowing. The basic stuff is really mind blowing how, you know, even just working with chat GPT on things, how it can accomplish what a room full of people couldn't do in weeks, you know, I mean, it can instantly go out and scan the Internet for whatever specific thing and come back with all of this actionable, relevant steps and everything.

Be more aggressive too. Like we've tried to use some of like the ChatGPT or some of the big LLMs, just like use that as the data set rather than kind of build our own model. It's awesome and incredibly powerful. It's just not yet precise enough to do with healthcare, I would say. And so that's what made us concerned and that was sort of the impetus behind let's like, let's actually train our own because we can narrow its scope to content that we're sure is precise and accurate so that we're not feeding you a crazy hallucination about your own health, so to speak, by accident.

Yeah, same thing. I feel like the more you really look at it and analyze it and how can it be implemented in different business models, you know, if you really spend some time, it's very mind blowing to me what it's going to be doing in a very short amount of time.

I mean in another 20 years, what is it going to look like as well? Right. So it's, you know, the, the rate of change is, is accelerating and I'm just, I can't wait to see where, where it goes. It's certainly, you know, in my life like it's amazing how just using ChatGPT as like a brainstorming tool, like just this afternoon thinking about things to talk about here and just using it as a brainstorming tool, it's like unbelievable how much access to, to knowledge you can get by just having a brief conversation with one of these LLMs.

I agree. I have some of the most interesting conversations with ChatGPT and I've really started to transition over to where I don't really use Google as much anymore. Had read an article a week or two ago that was like, oh, AI is going to take over search engine. It really hadn't dawned on me too much. And then all of a sudden I was like, that's interesting, maybe I should. And it's like you start using it and interacting with it and it just works better.

Interesting. Like intellectual pivot of like asking specific questions and seeking an answer rather than just searching for broad based information. Yeah, you get broad based information too, but it's, it's, you know, I'm even seeing it with my kids that are starting to use these things a little bit and you know, they're natives at it. Right. And so like that transition from I'm going to go do a Google search and open up 20 websites in the background and then flip through them and look through them and synthesize the data versus like, just give me the answer. It's, it's a really interesting different intellectual place to be.

Big changes coming down the pipe in healthcare.

Yeah, I mean, I'll be really curious how that works. I'm, I'm definitely an optimist on that point of view. Certainly you don't have to look very hard to find a bunch of really interesting business problems to solve in healthcare. That's one of the, one of the nice things about it. But there's also, you know, really interesting questions. I'm really curious how regulatory is going to speed things up or slow things down? Like, do we have the regulatory frameworks to really let these things happen? Right. Like, at what point do, do these LLMs become diagnostic tools that end up becoming medical devices? And then do you need to get them approved or not? I mean, it's, it's really interesting to think about that way. Like, are regulatory frameworks even ready to start thinking about this stuff? But there's certainly, you know, it's not hard to find a hundred different opportunities to think about. You know, ironically, like, it's probably one of the places where AI has been around the longest is healthcare. Right? In like radiology and helping radiologists look at X rays. I mean, it's one of the places that it's been, been being used or machine learning, I would say has been, been used for years and years and years. So in some ways it's the, it's the place where AI has gone the farthest. But in other places it's, it's in other ways it's the place where, where AI still has the most to, to do.

So what exactly stage are you in then with sage? Can I sign up today?

You could, yeah, you could sign up today and you could scan in all your old blood tests and you know, we'll help you understand anything that you have there, anything that's out of range. We'll help you sort of consolidate all your old information, put it into one place. And then if you wanted to go out and buy a brand new comprehensive panel or you could go do that or maybe, you know, we'll notice that, you know, you are over X years old and you haven't had a PSA test done in a while and it's probably about time to do that. We can help you do that. Or maybe we'll notice that like, oh, your cholesterol is a little bit on the high side, but you've never gotten your APOB tested, so maybe you should. We'll help you think through some of those things. I would say just make sure you know what you're looking at and you understand it, and so you could go do that today if you wanted to. We're really just in the. I would say the. The early innings of this game. There's. There's a lot of features coming out pretty quickly, and we have a very long roadmap of where we'd like to take it, for sure. You know, we know concierge medicine works, right? You know, functional medicine works, right? Personalized medicine, whatever you want to call it, all these monikers are essentially going to get the same thing, and it's synthesizing a lot of data about you to come up with really specific recommendations for you on things you can do to sort of optimize your health over the long term, right? That's what all these different things do. So, ironically, like, functional medicine, concierge medicine, like, it solved the problem of how to look at you and figure out things that you can do to live your best life. It just doesn't work at scale yet, right? So it's a little bit like, I can send an astronaut to outer space, right? That's a solved problem. The hard part is, like, how do I send anybody that wants to go to space, to space? And how do you build the infrastructure to actually make that happen? And that's a little bit like kind of how we think about Sage. We're certainly not building rocket ships, so I don't want to give us credit for that, but our goal is really to make what we know as sort of solved problems and concierge or functional integrated medicine, and empower you as an individual to get that same level of care, hopefully at a fraction of the cost. Because actually, really, it's about, how do you scale concierge medicine for anybody who's willing to go down that road? And so that's what we're trying to do at Sage right now. It's really around your blood labs and blood tests, but we're working really hard on skin, metabolic health. We'll look at your DNA eventually. So there's a number of things that we're going to do in the future, and our goal is really to make sort of your phone, your concierge, and your health, right? So it's pivoting from concierge medicine with a concierge medicine doctor to concierge medicine with your phone as the tool to help you on your health Journey and.

Where do things like sauna and ice bath and peptides and some of these alternatives, where do they kind of fall with sage that in the realm of recommendations, you look at the blood work and say, you know, what might be great for you is you should look at doing sauna. Are those things considered at all?

Totally. We're going to start. We're starting with the basics first. If you don't have your, your body composition under control, you're not eating properly. If you're not exercising, like, let's take care of those things, right? Those are the three things that are going to keep you living the longest, right? Make sure your calorie balance is taken care of. Make sure you're exercising as much as possible. If you've got that dialed in and you want to take it to the next level. Sauna, cold bath, supplements, all those things are on the table in the realm of possibility, right? But now you're really at the fine margins. You're not in the, you know, the step change, the step function change. So I think our goal is to make sure you're doing the most important things first, right? If you're not exercising a few hours a week, if you don't have your sleep dialed in, if you're a stress, you know, a stress basket, like, let's focus on those things. Those are the things that are going to have the most, the biggest incremental impact on your health span.

Could there be some sort of a thing where, okay, I blowed my information and I know I'm not terribly healthy, I know I need to exercise more, I know I need to do this, that. Do you envision any sort of a thing where you're able to kind of connect with similar people or, you know, something like that, where it's like, I can compare my progress with another group of peers, Progress to help motivate me.

I mean, that's a super fun idea. I'll be honest. Like, I think that's a little bit. The $64,000 question in a lot of these things is like, what are the. What is the right impetus to bring about the kind of behavior change that, that, that will help you be successful on your health journey? Right. And I don't know if I have the exact answer to what that is. Is it a social aspect? Is it community? Is it. I don't know. I mean, there's a thousand, there's a thousand ways to think about that and approach that. I don't have the perfect answer. I would certainly say that that is going to be a critical success factor long term for all of us who are, who are trying to bring these concepts to more and more people, right. Is how do you bake in the behavior change element and what are the things that are going to have the single biggest impact there to help you and to help you on that journey? Is it the tiny habits model? Certainly spent a lot of time looking at and studying these things. Is it some kind of gamification? I don't have the right answer for you. I don't have the perfect answer for you. But it's certainly a place where we're killing a lot of brain cells trying to think through.

I absolutely love the whole concept. This space itself, how have you seen that general space itself grow the past couple of years?

Some of them really succeed, Some take off like rocket ships, some of them not do so well. Right. So in the last 10 years, I can probably rattle off 30 or 40 of them. It's certainly a busy ecosystem. And again, I'm not sure exactly if anybody's found the, the perfect business model yet, the perfect go to market yet. But I would say over time, you know, these companies sort of indirectly interact with each other, right? Because you see who's doing what, what's working, what's not working, who's being successful, who's not being successful. How are you getting more consumers, right? How do you scale from the early adopter biohacker guys, right? Which is sort of the natural place that you'd start one of these, these, these business models with, to sort of a broader mass appeal. Are we ever going to appeal? People appeal to people like my mother. Is that even possible? To get them, you know, really feeling empowered towards taking control of their own health? Will that ever happen or not? Certainly the younger generation is more open to this sort of thing and more interested in engaging with it. A lot of it is like, what is the cultural Milo these businesses are working in? And are we as a society like, are we more and more open to taking control of our own health? And as those sort of, of cultural leaps start happening, you think a place for, for sage starts, starts widening and starts opening up? For sure.

How are you guys reaching out to customers now?

We're early days, so I would say we're investing more in R D than we are in marketing at this point. Pretty quickly I'm going to have to change that. The goal is to, to start doing more and more. Certainly like a number of healthcare professionals in the market today that are willing to talk about, you know, bringing tools like this to the, to the folks that follow them. I think that's probably where we'll start first with some of those sort of doctor influencer folks. But I think over time you'll see more and more people actually searching for us. There's far more consumers out there today that are functional medicine. Curious that there are, then there are functional medicine doctors to actually see all those patients. And so the question is for those individuals that are like, okay, the current system isn't really working for me or, you know, I keep bouncing from doctor to doctor to doctor to try to get an answer and I'm not getting any answers that make sense to me. There's more and more of those individuals out there that the healthcare really isn't providing the answers that they're looking for because it just wasn't set up for the type of things that are concerning them. And, and I think I, I think in many ways folks will be coming to us. At least that's my hope. It's a little bit builded and they will come. Never really works out that easily. But, but certainly, you know, when I'm sitting around talking to, to my social network about the type of tools that we're building, folks are pretty interested.

Who is your ideal client?

Anybody that's looking to, to start taking control of their health. Anybody that just walked away from their doctor's office and had a blood lab and he said, I'll call you if something's wrong. And they say, well, actually no, that's, that's not the world. That's not the engagement that I want to have with my own health. Early adopters probably are folks that, that are tending more towards the biohackery type world. Right? The folks that are into fitness, into their own health, they're actually paying attention. They've already made the intellectual shift, as you said. Like the first clicks have happened. That, you know, my doctor may not be the most comprehensive way for me to, to be in control of my own health.

So I understand here from a, I'm a new patient. I'm listening to this podcast right now. Like, you know, this really seems to me, I'm, I'm curious. So walk me through what that process looks like for me. So I'm curious. I go to your website, you could.

Yeah, sage healthspan.com you can go to that website, check it out, look at stuff there. Everything's happening through an app though. Really. You got to go download an app for your iPhone and we'll walk you through it. We'll make it really easy. Hopefully you've have some old blood tests. I'd much rather start with found data. Right. That's the cheapest way to get started. If you have, if you have a blood test, we'll scan them all in for free. I'll never look at them. The data always stays on your phone. Actually, that's one of the things that we're really focused on is privacy. So the AI model, the Mini LLM and even the machine learning model is actually all happening on your device. It's never sending data to me unless you give me permission to do that. But you can scan in all your old blood labs. It'll actually never leave the privacy of your own phone. It'll take all that data, it'll consolidate it, it'll structure it it and it'll help hopefully help you understand it. Like, what are the things you should be focused on in any of the labs that you've had over the years and what's changed really? Because that's what matters, right? You know, let's say, you know, you, you take someone like me, I'm 49 years old and, you know, I'm a little bit, you know, more tired than I was. Sort of. CrossFit's not as easy as it used to be. So, you know, you think to yourself and you're talking to other guys at CrossFit like, okay, is my testosterone low, high? What is it? So you go get a blood lab and I get my, you know, I get my blood lab back and probably getting too personal here, but like my testosterone was 410. That's not a high number. But it's not a particularly low number. Right. It's kind of low to middle. Is that a problem? Well, I don't know. Fortunately, I actually have some of my old blood labs that I can look at and I can see the trend over time. And ironically, when I was 24 years old, it was also 4 10. So actually, no, testosterone isn't the problem. I'm just getting a little bit older, probably need to sleep a little bit better and probably to need, I need to focus on my stress. Like that's really reassuring to me to have that knowledge. And let's say it wasn't good. Well, then I can help you actually ask the right questions of your doctor so that you can, you can take the next steps.

Step one is just working with data that's already there for free, giving you just a little bit of insight. Step two, the idea of start digging deeper in whatever direction I want to dig and Then if you are going to go see the doctor, help prepping you. I love that idea. I'd never considered that at all. That concept that it preps you for, to go talk to your doctor. Here's the things you should be asking and talking to them about. So I think for sure that's one of the biggest things. I mean, healthcare these days, they have to get tons of people in and out quickly. That is simply the model. It's nothing against them. They didn't create the model. They're just trying to make a living in the model.

But there's no doctor that doesn't want to have an answer to your question. So when you ask a hard question to a doctor, if you're getting blown off, and again, I don't. I'm not saying this is true of any doctor, but doctors are human beings. They like to have answers about your health. And I bet you half the time when you're getting blown off for asking the hard questions, it's because they actually just don't know the answer and don't want to say, I don't know. What this does is we'll send them an email. You can send them an email before you ever see them. They can actually go do their homework before they see you and hopefully show up with answers to the questions that you want to ask. And we'll make it easier on them, we'll make it easier on you. I will make sure you're asking the right questions and we'll make sure that you're actually able to prompt them before you go see. Before you go see them and get your questions answered.

I think this whole thing is amazing. Soon as I've kind of reached out and looked at what you were doing and heard about everything, I definitely wanted to talk to you and understand more and I can't wait to kind of see how it develops. We certainly, myself and my wife will be involved in this as soon as possible. As soon as she gets home, I'm going to tell her and get the ball rolling and really looking forward to seeing, you know, how everything develops.

It's like, when's the best time to start to start working on your health? Is yesterday?

Awesome. Well, yes, I'll certainly do my best to get the word out there and get things going. I love what you're doing. I've certainly been very interested in following up and, you know, whatever you tell me within six months or so to really, you know, kind of see a lot of this stuff, because I do think that the AI element is just going to be such a game changer.

Just thank you for your time. This is really cool and I love what you're doing and I'm really appreciative to be here and give me a form to get the word out a little bit and yeah, come visit the website and download the app and have a look.

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