How a Mom of 3 Makes $50K a Month With AI (No Experience)

You don't have to know anything technical because AI is doing it for you.

Yeah, so you're making over $50,000 a month. How many hours per week would you say you're working?

I still have my full-time job, 9 to 5. Also, I have 3 kids under the age of 8 right now, so building all of this had to be easy for me. I could only spend 1 to 2 hours a day. Even the client work, I only spend like an hour a day maximum. That's it. Wow. I was super poor, like too poor to a point I could only spend $2 a day. One time I couldn't pay the rent, so I kicked out. I slept on the beach. The police came up to me and I got kicked out from the beach as well. So I'm like, oh my gosh. So the reason why I'm sharing this is because I wanted to tell you where I was in terms of I need to make money. And that's the first, the very first money that I made online, which is $3,000 a month retainer. Wow.

Now, did you have any experience when you applied for this?

No.

You're just using ChatGPT?

Yeah.

Oh man.

Using ChatGPT.

Oh, I got ChatGPT, $20 a month. I'm now an expert. That irrational confidence, that fake you make it has never been more like in everyone's grasp than it is today.

Just have a one mindset of if Sandy can do it, I can do it. Just because I just started this 9 months ago.

Yeah, that's beautiful.

Yeah.

I just think that humans are much more likely from a place of insecurity to like, oh, who am I? No, just like, do it. Just go try it. Talk to people on their deathbed like they regret things that they didn't do, not things that they did. Because we always learn something from things that we did, but we never learn from something we never did. Yeah.

Exactly.

So you either win or you learn. I started so many businesses that failed and I regret none of them because I at least answered the question for myself.

Okay, so here's some secret sauce. What you wanna do is—

So I came across this woman, Sandy Lee, 9 months ago. She started applying for random odd jobs on Upwork. She had no experience, no testimonials, no portfolios, and her first job she got after 7 applications and it paid her $3,000 a month for SEO. And she knew nothing about SEO, but she had ChatGPT because now everyone is a PhD in everything. We just need to remember that and connect the dots. So I wanted to talk to Sandy. How did you go from $0 to $52,000 a month in only 9 months? And it all started with one job in a skill that she knew nothing about. Please enjoy.

So I was raised in 7 different countries since I was 11 years old. And that was without my parents. That was me alone going to different families and living here and there. So I just had to learn how to survive just because I didn't speak the language. But what happened was while I was studying abroad, my parents' business went really south. So we came from like fairly rich family to really poor all of a sudden. So meaning every single time when I was talking with my parents, they were always worried about money. So every single conversation was about money, money, money. So in my head, I just had a thought of, I need to make money, like, when I grow up, and then just to make sure my parents are all taken care of and stuff like that. And when I was in college, I was super poor, like, too poor to a point I could only spend $2 a day. So, you know, like, Uncrustable, like one of those peanut butter jelly sandwich from vending machine, that was all I could eat. So I'm like, I'm gonna save this so I can eat this. Yeah, so I got 2 of those a day and then ate that for a couple of months. One time I couldn't pay the rent, so I got kicked out. I slept on the beach. The police—

because you're in Hawaii?

Yeah, I was in Hawaii. So I slept on the beach in a tent, and the police came up to me and said, you're not supposed to be here. And I got kicked out of them from the beach as well. So I'm like, oh my gosh, what's my life? So The reason why I'm sharing this is because I wanted to tell you where I was in terms of I need to make money. So as soon as I graduate from school, I found this job which is a startup company that paid me fairly well, and that's back in the day, Chris, which is $7 an hour, right? But they offer me fairly good amount of money for salary. So I brought my husband with me, so we started working together for this company, and that was best salesperson there just because I was the only salesperson. So like, the only one who's the best. Yeah, one of one. And I was working there, but in about a couple of months, the CEO told me that we're restructuring the company, you and your husband need to go. And we got let go the same day. And I was like looking at my husband, I still remember this day, we couldn't speak for like 2 hours or so because we were really shocked at that., but that's the moment I realized I cannot have somebody hold my income basket.

Yeah.

Because literally, so that's when I started to work on side hustle, like different side hustle projects, dropshipping, you know, like FBA, Amazon FBA business, all that. I still have some product at my house trying different stuff, but it didn't really work because I was too addicted to shiny object syndrome. So what is the next, what is the next? I was just hopping around and that's when I actually found your channel too because I was really into side hustles. But that's the moment when I decided I need to really focus on one thing, just one thing. And that was AI because I know AI was hot, but I don't know anything about AI. I'm like, I, or at least I didn't know anything about AI, I should say, but I knew how to talk to people. So what I decided to do is going to Upwork. Literally, and then applying for job application in AI business that I don't even know about. But I knew how to talk to the CEO or how to talk to different people, what they're looking for. So after having ChatGPT build a couple different models for me, I presented that idea to the client, and that's the first, the very first money that I made online, which is $3,000 a month retainer.

Wow. Yeah, from Upwork.

From Upwork. Yeah.

Hey, please subscribe to the channel. Whether you're on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, doesn't matter. It would mean a ton. So did you do anything to like build your Upwork profile or like establish a presence?

Yeah, so I didn't have any testimonial. That's the thing. I had a huge imposter syndrome when I first started doing this just because I had no testimonial. I'm like, who am I to pitch an idea that I can do this because I don't know anything about AI, right? But what I realize is every single person, including myself, we have some sort of history, what we've done in the past. Doesn't matter if you work for, I don't know, like Chick-fil-A or McDonald's and then serving people. That's still a thing that you did, and you can somehow relate that into automation. And that's what I did. I went to ChatGPT and told them exactly what I did in the past, and then got some numbers out there and how can I relate this into automation, and then put that into the work and also get couple different portfolio so that it looks better. Portfolio doesn't necessarily mean it's your testimonial, it's what you've been building, right?

Sure. So how many jobs did you have to apply to before you got the one that you got?

I applied 7 applications. I specifically remember that.

Well, that's not many.

No, it's not too many.

No, that's not bad at all.

It's more competitive now, I would say. But before when I did it, which was November last year.

Okay, November last year. So I've been an Upwork client since they were called oDesk, which was like 2010. They were called oDesk and it was like the place. It was oDesk and freelancer.com. That was like where you went to find a virtual assistant. So I was looking for virtual assistants there forever. It probably seems more competitive to you because like it's more competitive than it used to be, but it's been around almost 20 years, you know? And I feel like we don't really know how much supply and demand there are for any given job. It's always kind of imbalanced. And so maybe for your niche it's gotten more competitive, maybe for other niches it's not competitive enough. But I just find that like an interesting concept is in any marketplace, place. Sometimes things seem more competitive than they are because you're like in it. And sometimes like if you were to compare your niche within Upwork to a different niche that you've never even been in, you're much less competitive. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. That's the reason why some of the strategy that I've used personally, so to be very transparent, the first client was SEO business. So they wanted to automate the SEO stuff, right? Okay. But I didn't type AI automation. I didn't type AI SEO. I only typed SEO, meaning I know AI in Upwork is really competitive, but then if you, just like you said, if you just tilt it just a little bit, slight, just very slightly, and then go with a slightly different niche, kind of similar but different, there's a lot less competition there. And that's how I got the first gig.

Now, did you have any SEO experience when you applied for this?

No.

You're just using ChatGPT?

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

Using ChatGPT. I know, it's like no experience whatsoever. I'm like, what the fuck? The freak is this mean? You know, like backlinks, internal links. I had no idea, so I had to educate myself before I jump on a call.

Yeah, I just, I just wish that I could like buy a billboard on every highway in every city in the world that just said like, you are now an expert in everything. Like, period. Like, we, we remodeled our upstairs with ChatGPT. We've never done anything like that. Oh my God, we're building a house with ChatGPT. I fixed my lawnmower with ChatGPT. Like, So many people use ChatGPT, but we're still so early that they don't yet know that they're now a PhD in everything. They're just not thinking to connect the dots. So you're like, I don't need to know about SEO, I got ChatGPT, $20 a month, I'm now an expert in SEO. Like that irrational confidence, that fake it till you make it has never been more like in everyone's grasp than it is today. So I applaud you for that.

It is real. Yeah, thank you, I appreciate that. It is real for sure. And then my thought behind this is, if ChatGPT can be my agent underneath me, if he's the expert, she's the expert, whatever, if it's the expert, then I have my confidence. And that was where my confidence came from. Even though I'm not the expert, it's okay. Yeah.

And at the end of the day, the company that decided to pay you $3,000 a month, they're probably using ChatGPT. It's not like they don't know it exists. Even if they're using it for SEO, they still need a human to push the buttons, to follow up, to check in, to be like— they need someone, not something, to be accountable, right? So like, they still need you to do the job even if they already have the tool that's doing most of the job, you know? So yes, I just think that humans are much more likely from a place of insecurity or scarcity to like, oh, who am I? I don't know anything about SEO. Like, no, just like do it. Just go try it. Worst case scenario, After a month they're like, man, that's not imposter syndrome. That guy is an imposter. I want my money back. Who cares? Give him your money back and keep trying. Yes. You know, like that's the worst that could happen.

Exactly. That's literally where my mindset is right now. Just because I have a full-time job, Chris, right now I still have my full-time job and my full-time job is working for the funeral homes. Isn't that weird?

Wow.

Like, okay, that's crazy.

What do you do for them?

So I work for funeral marketing, sales and marketing company. So I'm a regional manager helping other people, kind of like wedding planners but for funerals. That's what it is. I'm helping them how to do that. Anyways, the reason why I'm sharing that, where I'm coming from, is I think about death a lot because, yeah, I mean, hang out with the people who's about to die. Like, sure, you know, like, they were really old grandma who was 102 years old. I don't think she's legally able to drive, but she drove to the funeral home pre-planning her funeral services. And then we just, we're just talking. And not to be morbid at all or negative, but this is just on top of my head a lot. If I die tomorrow or if I die in a month, what would I regret the most? And then that was me not starting my business and me not believing myself of doing that. So right now it just totally changed my mindset. It's like, I can do this. If that kind— if that person can do it, I can do it.

Yeah, that's another billboard message that I want is like to put on a billboard that like You are much more likely to regret things that you didn't do than things that you did. Like, I started so many businesses that failed and I regret none of them because I at least answered the question for myself. Like, did I like that business or could that business have worked? Like, yes, aside from like outlier things where we make like terrible, terrible decisions, we usually sit around and talk to people on their deathbed. Like, they regret things that they didn't do, not things that they did, because we always learn something from things that we did, but we never learn from something we never did.

Yeah, exactly.

So you either win or you learn.

I love that.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, so I want people to know if they don't have a grasp of Upwork, like for you to apply to an SEO job on Upwork is like the most generic, like that's like the highest competitive category in the world. You had no background. How did you get that $3,000 a month job over someone else with a ton of experience?

Okay, so here's some secret sauce. What you wanna do is you wanna record a video. Okay, so that is saying your practice, you are going to record a video, Loom video, explaining how you can help them. And that's exactly what I did. So even though I don't know anything about SEO, I had ChatGPT build an N8N system for me. So basically, and it looks complicated. So what businesses owner, when they look at it, they're like, oh, it's too complicated. She's got this.

I need to pay you to do this. Yeah.

But in reality, I didn't even understand what N8N was. So I'm like, I'm learning this, but I didn't say that, obviously. Sure. I'm like, you know what, this is what the workflow is based on what ChatGPT has given me, is the script. This is how the workflow works, and this is where I'm going to come in and help you out. So I pitched the idea before I build a product. Okay, so that's really important you do that, because if you build a product first and then pitch the idea next, you're too late. You want to see what's out there first, and that's exactly what I did. And one of the strategy, like I mentioned, is recording a video so that people can gauge who you are and feel your vibe. Now, if your English is not native, this is a perfect way to practice as well. So that's what I did.

Okay. I just have this thought, like the great men and women that have built this world were probably the same people that said the phrase, how hard could it be? Over and over and over. And like, they always were proven wrong. Like, it always ends up being harder than you think. But that, that naivete, like that, optimism, whatever you want to call it, like that attitude just walks you into amazing circumstances. So you're like, how hard could it be? SEO, how hard could it be? It's like, ah, it's kind of hard. There's a lot going on here, but I'm an expert now. I have ChatGPT. Like, it just is a framework. Like, if you find yourself saying that a lot, you'll probably be successful. Yeah. A little ignorance could be helpful.

Yeah, that's true. I love that. That's, I'm like walking in between being humble and also being ignorant, but not really ignorant. It's more confident. I will say, let's just say confidence. Being confident and then not feeling imposter syndrome. Those are 3 feelings. Just I'm going back and forth a lot.

Yeah, yeah.

Where am I?

Yeah. I also want to say imposter syndrome is just— it's like insecurity with like a prettier name, right? We're all insecure. Every single one of us are insecure. So like, if you feel imposter syndrome, that's a signal that you're on the right track, that you're like, you're like batting above your pay grade, you're stretching yourself. Like, it's— I think it's good to feel imposter syndrome.

Oh, that's a really positive thought. I never thought about that way. That's super cool. So you're out of your comfort zone pretty much. That's why you're feeling that way.

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I didn't edit it, no. I didn't know how to edit Loom videos, so I only just sent it. But I practice, meaning if I don't like it, I re-record it a couple of times just to see if it sounds better. It was about 2 to 3 minutes. I found that that's the sweet spot because a lot of people don't really wanna watch a long video.

Okay.

So 2 to 3 minutes. And eventually though, eventually I deliver the work for this client and I was really successful for their SEO. By the way, Cloud Code. So we can talk about, I did everything with Cloud Code, really successful. And then I told them, hey, let's increase the price. So after that, I increased the price to $5.5K monthly retainer, same client.

What gave you the confidence to do that? Like what did you see or? What made you think to do that?

I just thought to myself, I have nothing to lose at that point.

What type of a client was this? What type of a business? Like, was it a million-dollar business, $100 million business, home services, e-commerce? What are we talking?

It was education, education business. Okay. Like they were having education app business and then it was about a million-dollar business. So I knew that they had money just because of, you know, like how much money they generated from SEO in general. So basically what I did is I did automation for blog automation for one language, right? English, Japanese. And then I extend that to Spanish and Korean. So that's, I said, hey, I'm going to expand this to Korean and Spanish. And that way you can, you're going to pay me more. And on their end, it makes sense because this is how much money it costs, which is $3,000. If I were to duplicate what I did, you know, in business perspective is $6,000, but I'm giving you a cut to $5.5K. So they got a good deal. But for me, on my, on my side of it, I just do copy and paste.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, now did you—

that's what I did.

Did you increase the price after you saw that their SEO was working?

Yes, of course.

Smart. Do you still have them as a client?

I don't anymore. Uh, last month was the last month that I had them.

Now how did you get your second and third and fourth clients?

Yeah, so it was coming from inbound lead. The second, third, fourth client, they were all different. That's when, when I was working for this client, I just had this thought of AI is enhancing too fast. I'm not saying this to create FOMO, by the way, just because I am a believer of using AI as a tool, not to replace us, right? However, people who's using AI could replace people who's not using AI, if that makes sense. It's not AI replacing, it's the people. So I thought to myself, you know what, I need to actually teach people how to do that. That's when I started the content creation journey and everything happened from there, which is insane. Meaning before I mentioned that I was applying for jobs on Upwork and email marketing, right? But ever since I started my personal branding content, people were reaching out to me. I've been getting emails asking, if I can become their senior marketing officer, or can I teach these people, this group of people for this business as a consultant, which that's another side gig that I did. And then last month I was working for this company as an AI strategist. They got me for— they wanted me to work full-time, but I just told them no because I wanted to build my business. So what I'm trying to say is inbound opportunities started coming after creating content.

Now, a lot of people think, you know, my content needs to get tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of views. Like, I need to be an influencer. I need to go viral. Obviously, this is like a softball question, but I'm, I'm hoping I'm right here and that you started getting valuable inbound leads when seemingly no one was really watching you. Is that the case or no?

That's exactly the case because, okay, so here are two different things. When I was sending outbound before inbound came, I was still referencing my YouTube video. And that was when I had 200 subscribers, very little, but still it's giving that authority because people can check me out before and see what I know, what I don't know. And here's another tip that I have for people, which is if you don't know anything, what you're going to film, you learn right before. That's literally, literally what I did. I asked Claude Code, how can I teach these steps? And then I learned, read.

Yeah.

And then it got into my head and then I record. You know, hit, press the button. That's what I did.

So you, your YouTube channel is Sandy Lee AI. And I'm gonna go to your oldest video. Your oldest video is only 9 months ago then, right?

It is only 9 months ago, but here's another thing that I wanna mention is I've been a content creator since 2018, Chris. So I speak Spanish and Korean. My content was teaching Korean to Spanish speakers. And that was me.

That's pretty niche.

Uh-huh, very niche. And I hate my videos because I'm all about like doing this. It's just so like cheesy. But the reason why I'm saying this is because I gave up on that because I quickly realized there's no money behind that. Because if you think about it, people who are wanting to learn Korean, you know, Spanish speakers wanting to learn Korean, they were all students. They were kids, 14-year-old, 13-year-old. What am I going to do with them? I don't want to charge anything, right? So there is a concept that I want to talk about. Is that okay if I go over that? Yeah, please. So ikigai is a Japanese concept, and I've heard of this when I was a teenager as well, like when I was younger, but it pretty much means a reason for being, right? So the reason why I'm covering this is because I want you to see the difference between my old channel, which is this, which I grew my channel across 3 platforms to 550K followers. But what I really focused on was what I love to do, which was language, and what am I good at, which was language. Those two things, passion, that's it. But I didn't necessarily focus on what can you get paid for, this one right here, and also what does the world need. So because I didn't pay, I didn't focus on that, I didn't really think about that, there was no way for me to make some income stream of this channel specifically when I was building personal brand. And I thought, you know what, never mind, content is not my way. But when I started this channel specifically, not, not even that long ago, the oldest channel was 9 months ago, right? So pretty recent. I focus on all different 4 things of Ikigai. What do I love to do? And what are you good at? What can you get paid for? What does the world need? And I suggest every single person who's listening to this right now to go through this process wherever they are at, whether they have a business for themselves or not. Or wanting to start a business, I think this is very important when it comes to building personal brand, in my opinion.

Agreed. And I would even change one of these instead of like what you can get paid for, it's like what can you more easily get paid for? 'Cause I think everything is monetizable, but not all at the same difficulty level, right? So like what can you get paid for that you're most easily able to access or have the skills towards, et cetera. And same with like what the world needs, like, What does your corner of the world need? Because I could sell the dumbest product in the world, and if I could find the right distribution for that product, I could be successful. But it's really hard to find that. There's thousands of distribution channels and thousands of different niches. That's over a million combinations of ways to sell a certain thing. So you got to go towards the things that have like the least amount of friction and difficulty. But absolutely.

Yeah, that's so true. I agree with you on that. That's, that's the reason why what I'm trying to figure out for myself right now, which I can share my revenue, um, all of this in here. So I have a couple different revenues when it comes to my client work, right? So I had a client that I started. This is the first thing, just to be full transparent with you guys. Um, I even have like Stripe accounts that I pulled up over here, like how much money I made from YouTube so you guys can see the whole thing.

Beautiful.

But what I'm— yeah, what I'm trying to say is I still have my full-time job just because I love the work that I do. And sponsorships is something that I, I think is another side gig which doesn't take a long time for me to do. Because just keep that in mind, I still have my full-time job, 9 to 5. Also, I have 3 kids under the age of 8 right now. So building all of this had to be easy for me. It had, it had to work. I could only spend 1 to 2 hours a day per platform, right? So that's how I was able to make it. Even the client work, it only— I only spend like an hour a day maximum. That's it.

Wow. If that.

Yeah.

I'm trying to look at this, but my—

Is that too small?

Could you zoom in a little bit? Yeah. OK, so client retainer, that's like the first client you had, right? Or like being a freelancer.

That's the first client that I—

OK, full-time, that's your job. Sponsors, there's people like advertising in your videos. You have a school community, an app, and YouTube revenue, like YouTube AdSense.

Yes.

Tell me about your app.

Yeah, so my app, it's pretty funny because my whole thing when it comes to YouTube is, okay, let me show you an example. When I first started YouTube, this video got really viral for my channel, like 100K view, which is selling AI website on Clock Code. I had no idea how to build website and then I just made this video because it went viral. So I'm like, might as well just me building a website. So I did. And then I quickly realized a lot of people said, I don't really know how you can connect to real app. So in this specific video right here, I recorded this video for like 6 hours because I had to build an app while recording this video.

Might as well hit record. I'm going to do this anyway. Might as well record it, right?

Yeah, seriously. So this was built in 6 hours while I was recording. And this was the very first app, which is the GEO Audit app. And how do I know GEO? AI, come on. I asked you how to do it. And also, I have a lot of friends who knows about GEO, which is generative engine optimization, which means AI SEO. Same thing. Yeah, yeah, AI SEO. So this was the first app, but then I also made another video Chris Koerner. So I want people to realize this. The reason why I'm sharing this is because I'm keep finding opportunity to monetize. That's what it is. And again, I didn't build it and then sell it. Do you see the difference? I sold the idea first and then saw what is needed and then build a product after. So another video that got viral was how I automate my content journey because I've been a content creator forever. And then ever since I did that, a lot of people said, oh, Sandy, it doesn't look good as what you're building. So I just thought to myself, Hmm, why can't I make an app out of this? Let's do it.

By the way, I have a new private YouTube community where I post exclusive interviews and videos that no one else in the world will see. All you gotta do is pay $5 a month. And you know what? YouTube takes 30% of that, so I'm hardly getting anything from that. In addition, you're gonna get every single 25+ page business plan that we make from every episode we publish. And we sell these for $19 and we do 15 episodes a month. So this is about $300 a month. Worth of value, plus extra interviews and videos that you'll never see anywhere else for $5 a month. And you can cancel anytime. You'll also get my previous backlog of every business plan I've ever published. So you can get the link right down below. It's all done right here on YouTube, and you'll even get little custom emojis or stars next to your name when you comment on videos so you can get priority replies from yours truly. Thanks a lot.

And that's the app that I made. So it's pretty much what it is, is Not to promote my, my app, by the way, not at all. But what this does is you are trying to copy the strategy that other people use from YouTube videos. So for newbies, it is so crucial that you do that because if you are original all the time, it's hard for you to get visible.

Yeah. It's, I mean, it's better to copy formats that are already working than to try and reinvent the wheel. Yeah.

That's literally what MrBeast does too. You know, MrBeast, he's people, he like literally go out. And see what is the outlier video. And that's the app that I have is I just pretty much generate the script. It does it, it gives the script, it gives thumbnails, it gives teleprompters. So pretty much all in one platform. And when I first got first clients for this app, I'm like, holy crap, people are actually paying for this. Like, you know, that was my first thought. Um, but then right now I hire an engineer to make it better just because I'm a little bit more invested in this. And this is also one of the lead magnets that I have for my community that I built for my school too. Okay. So just a couple different ideas. I'm testing multiple different things to see what's working.

Yeah.

For my lifestyle, you know.

So you're making over $50,000 a month. It's somewhat recent. You're, you still have a full-time job and how many hours? And you have 3 kids under 10. How many hours per week would you say you're working?

For my business?

Yeah, for all of your income streams.

For all of my income streams. Okay, let's do— go back here. Right now the most time-consuming thing is actually YouTube, just because I want to grow my personal brand and I'm finding different ideas. App, I used to take, you know, some time, but Clocko did the most of the work. So I would say maybe 3 to 4 hours a week, but even that, I wanted to gain that time for my YouTube, so I hired an engineer. Very recently, a couple weeks ago, 2 weeks ago. So he does it. So I don't even spend anything on the app. School community, once a week we do like a weekly calls, and then every single day I just comment people. So 10 minutes a day. So you do the math, maybe 3 hours a week. That's it. Sponsors, those are videos, right? So I would say maybe 2 hours per sponsor a week.

Is that outbound or inbound?

This is all inbound. Sponsorships is everything is inbound.

Okay, now I'm gonna try to like pull away some high-level takeaways from what I've learned so far and fill in the gaps. So if we were to make like a Sandys playbook for success, it's like fake it till you make it, sell it before you build it, sell it before you have it, be emboldened by AI, ChatGPT, like know that you're an expert in everything. Procrastinators win, like learn the thing right before you have to do the thing 'cause then you'll feel this artificial, or not even artificial, You'll feel this pressure just kind of like cramming for a test. Like there's a lot of negative things to say about cramming for a test. Like we grew up and our teachers are like, don't just cram. It's like, actually I will 'cause it works. Thank you very much.

Yes.

Like that pressure works. Yes. So it's like, all right, cram for the test. What am I missing? Like, oh, like build cool stuff and hit publish and then hit, like hit record and then hit publish. Like don't care what other people think of you. What am I missing?

Yes. That's exactly what it is. Something that I do want to say, if you're starting, if you're curious, what AI tool should I be using? I do recommend Claude Code, to be honest. I've used every other platform before. I use Manus, I use ChatGPT, and Codex is pretty good too. But Claude Code is so good. It's like, it is really, really good. Yeah. Even especially like Fable, but don't use Fable too much. But what I'm trying to say is you can build things Even though you're not engineer. I'm not an engineer, guys. I'm not at all. My husband is an engineer, so he looked at me, he's like, you built this? Yeah. And he's like, in a judgment tone. Yeah. He's like, wait, do you know, do you even know what SSL is? I'm like, I don't care what the crap that means, you know. I don't know.

I only care about—

I know that's exactly what it is. And yeah, he's obviously really proud of my success and really supportive. Yeah, like amazing dad and husband. But what I'm trying to say is you don't have to know anything technical because AI is doing it for you.

Yeah, you should flip the script on them and say, wait, you know what SSL means? What a nerd.

What a nerd. I know. I should have said like, wait, you actually know. Teacher's pet. Yes. Oh, well, that's funny.

That's amazing. Like, where can we find you, your products, your apps? Like, where can we find Sandy if we want to learn more?

Yeah, the best place to find me is my YouTube, just because I share everything, my journey, what are my thoughts, um, and what am I working on. I'm really transparent. So if some person's asking me how much money you make, I can show you everything, some of the strategy behind it. So yeah, YouTube, go there and learn different things and just have a one mindset of Sandy. If Sandy can do it, I can do it, just because I just started this 9 months ago.

Yeah, that's beautiful.

Yeah.

$50K a month in 9 months. And none of this would be possible if you'd ever hit publish on what you're doing. Like, show the world.

100%. I'm a huge believer in content creation. Huge. It doesn't— it doesn't matter what you look like. Honestly, it doesn't matter how you sound like either. No, you learn those skills.

I mean, think about it. 20 years ago, we all had to choose between like 100 TV channels. It's like, don't like golf? Okay, now you got 99 to choose from. Don't like— but now it's like there's 8 billion people and like there's someone out there for everyone. There's thousands of people out there for everyone. So like there's nothing too niche. Like if you're a boring dude in the Midwest, monotone, there's another boring dude that would really feel like he connects with you. Like there's someone out there for everyone. There's nothing too niche. Like even if 100 people are watching you, if it's the right 100 people, then it could be more valuable than a million people watching you that don't feel any affinity towards you.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But my, my huge belief is you only need 1,000 people to follow you. That's what it is. The true 1,000 people who support you, and that's it.

Amen.

And you're going to be successful.

Yeah. Thank you, Sandy. Yeah, you're awesome. This was great.

No, thank you. Thanks, Chris. Thanks for having me.

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