How To Make Money by Building Simple Apps for Businesses (AI + No-Code)

Why would you pay Salesforce thousands of dollars a month when you can build exactly what your business needs or your customers? Businesses need for a fraction of a fraction of a cost. It's exactly what you need for pennies. It helps you look like a nationwide brand for next to nothing software. If I want the Jobber account that has like the SMS functionality, it's like four or five hundred bucks a month. It's crazy. And the vast majority of businesses might need 3 of jobbers, 100 features. Right. They're paying for all this stuff that they don't even use. This could be free. This could be your lead magnet, your foot in the door to start charging them for other stuff.

Totally. The same logic can be applied to so many industries.

All right, Brandon, well, thank you for coming back on the pod.

Thanks for having me. Excited to be here.

Okay, so what I've done is I have asked ChatGPT give me all of the Vibe coding tools. Boom, done. And then I'm going to share my screen. I just googled random word chooser. Okay. Here we are. And you can just enter in a list of words. You click choose, and it's going to pick one. So there's a lot of Vibe coding tools out there. A lot of them are about the same, you and I. What we're going to do on this episode is we're going to perfectly randomize a Vibe coding tool. Pick that. And then we're going to perfectly randomize an app to build with said Vibe coding tool. And then we're going to build it at the same time. So the same app on the same tool at the same time, but. But with our own brains, our own background, history, experiences, prompting, and then see who spits out the better product at the end. How does that sound?

I'm excited. Okay.

Because you and I are both Vibe coding aficionados.

Yes.

And we're okay at it. You know, and we're not coders. We don't have a coding background.

I don't know anything about code. I think what this video will serve to do for at least some people is show you what can be done in minimal time without expert prompting, engineering, you know, strategies.

Yep. And you know what, Brandon? I'm just going to get on the soapbox for a minute. We see all these tweets about like, this prompt will change your life. Be sure to prompt chat GPT just like this. And it's like 3,000 words with like. You are an expert resource for me. I'm trapped in an Iranian prison and it's you don't need to do all that, like, just like garble together, like a poorly worded sentence riddled with typos, ask it to do something and then just go from there. Like, don't get hung up on how perfect your prompt needs to be.

Hold on, has somebody said the Iranian prison thing? Because if not, that's amazing. The only way I'll get out of this prison is if you. If you code this perfectly for me in the next 30 minutes.

I saw one, Palmer Lucky said that, like, his trick to get ChatGPT to do what he wants is to say, like, you're like a university professor that's been.

Yeah, yeah.

Incorrectly accused of impropriety with a student. Like, your life depends on the output of this prompt or something. Yeah, yeah, I said that. Those are fun sound bites. It's just not necessary. Just talk to the dang thing.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

All right, so here are the vibe coding tools. We got Bolt, replit, Emergent, Cursor, chatgpt, and then we just click choose. I think what it's doing is it's picking like the blank lines. Maybe I just need to remove the spaces. Let's click choose. All right, Emergent. Have you heard of Emergent?

I've heard of them. Never used them, though.

Okay, well, let me, Let me ask ChatGPT real quickly for a few facts about Emergent. What is Emergent? Let's see. It is only platform in competition to rank twice number one globally in benchmarks for coding agents. One of the fastest growing growth tools. It looks like they've raised a couple rounds at like, insane valuations. And agentic. No platform lock in. One thing they have different is it looks like you don't need to use like Supabase for your database. It's like they have their own built in Supabase. So I think there's like, less integrations you have to do. Sounds cool now. Sounds cool now. Let's go ahead and I've had ChatGPT generate a bunch of app ideas because we don't know what we're going to build here. All right, here are some choices that ChatGPT spit out for apps that we can vibe code, roofing, quote, bot landscaping estimate, dog grooming, reminder app, yada, yada yada. You get the idea. We'll click choose Lawn care biz Quote generator. Sweet.

Okay.

Okay. I guess that's what we're building.

I'm going to Emergent right now.

So we're each recording our screens, but we're obviously looking at Our screen. Let's see who can build it fastest and who can build it best. With Emergent, it looks like we can choose our own model. So that's another variable you and I can decide. Yeah.

Yeah, that's cool.

All right, Ready?

Yeah. I'm using the Iranian prison thing. I'm in an Iranian prison.

Okay.

You are not. You are free. You're in Texas. I'm in an Iranian prison. So there's one differentiator.

We'll see how this turns out. All right, you ready?

Yes.

Go. And this is with the free account I signed up.

It's 20 bucks, and it was 10 bucks off, so I just signed up for the 10 bucks.

Okay, so both of us got the $20 a month plan, but we're welcome to choose whatever model we want to choose or prompt it, however fancy, simply that we like. And should we go?

Let's go.

Okay. All right, here we go.

Okay, so I just finished my first prompt. I pressed enter 30 seconds ago. It told me that it's gonna build it, and now their agent is asking me a few details to clarify what I want. So I'm gonna review those and see what I need. Okay, so the details it asked me are pretty good. It asks, it wants to clarify what services specifically am I. How should the quote calculation be designed? How should quotes be managed? Whether it's instant or is it more of like a lead form thing? And then if I have any design preferences on how this little web app, this little website thing is going to look. So I'm going to answer and I'm just going to say mowing and hedging are going to be my services.

And. Okay.

Quote calculation. How to determine the price. Yes. Square feet or acres. Service frequency. Good call. Whether that's, you know, weekly, every other week, or monthly. Quote handling. I'm going to do instant quote display and a lead form below that on the results page. Also my contact information so they can get ahold of me if they want to.

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Me for anyone watching a famous one that people like to say is sort of like, use the aesthetics of Airbnb. Airbnb is like a super famous. Well, everybody knows Airbnb, I'm sure, but they're well known for just Being a very well designed, pretty, you know, app and website. So I'm just going to do that one for fun. I'm going to say model it after Airbnb style, but with different colors. I'm going to do greens because lawns should be green. Okay, let's see what happens. Also, the waiting screen very much has matrix vibes. That's kind of fun.

My original prompt is now officially sent off and it's working. What were you going to say?

So I gave my prompt and then it asked me questions. I answered the questions. And then it's been working in the background, which obviously if I was doing this, I don't have to actually be watching the screen while it's working in the background because emergent makes nice little noises. So I can just come back and check when I hear a noise and do something else, you know, check my email, whatever, while I'm waiting. So just a little side note there for people.

It is nice. Yeah, I like that.

Okay, you go, then I'll be ready. Cause mine just gave me an output.

All right. It just asked me four clarification questions and I just answered those. It took about a minute to send me those questions back. Now it's working again.

Mine gave me its first output. It looks good. It does have the vibes of Airbnb like I asked for, but with greens. So that's nice. It looks. Looks pretty. It looks simple, which is also what I want. It said that it gave me the front end. It took some screenshots, as you can see on my screen, to show like how the quote process would work if I were to go through it, which I will. It gives me a nice little recap and then it gives me sort of a, you know, just the details of what it did. It says I created. I won't read it all, but it said I created the front end only version of your quote generator using mock data that reflects Airbnb with the green you requested. And then it shows me what is working. The quote calculator, the instant quote display, the lead form, business contact info, and then the site, and then it notes, which is good because some people kind of forget about this. The pricing logic is currently just with mock data and doesn't have any, you know, real thing to go off of yet. So I. Because I didn't give it any dollar number of any kind. So I'm going to have to do that and I'm going to start testing it just to make sure it actually works. Also, if you see on my screen, it lets Me choose as a, as a user, you know, the square footage or acres. So I can choose either one. And then it says if I want lawn mowing and, or hedge trimming. And then it also asks if it's going to be a one time service, weekly, bi weekly or monthly. So it gave me, it set it up to where the user can have all those options.

That's pretty cool. Yeah. So is yours kind of like a chatbot and not like a form?

No, no, it's a form.

Okay.

But it's like a dynamic form so that's good. So I just did a test and so I just, I put that my lawn size is 600 square feet. I said I wanted mowing and hedging. I said I wanted it weekly. It gave me the quote which is $7.80 per service because it doesn't have any real data. So obviously I need to change that because I would, whoever would do this would be losing money. It shows a nice little breakdown of what's included for that $7.80. The form below as well as contact information. So I'm going to now work on adjusting the pricing logic so it spits out correct pricing here. Also for anyone noting in the top right of my screen. I started with 110 credits in my account here with Emergent and I'm at 109.67. So I haven't even used one credit total.

6, 7, 6, 7.

Okay.

So on my end it was basically saying like, hey, what kind of a database do you want? And I'm like uh, just Google Sheets. And then it's like okay, how do you want to integrate Google Sheets? And like, I mean for the purposes of this video, we want to launch this fast. I was like nevermind, just email me the lead. And then it was like, all right, do you Want to use SendGrid? Do you want to use SMTP or whatever? And then I started to log into my SendGrid account because I have one and it wanted two factor. And I was just like, nope, too hard. No integration, just generate quotes.

Yeah. So okay, I mow my own lawn, so I don't know how much lawns cost to mow these days.

Okay, I've got a quote here. I did not give it any design specifications. Mine says lawn care quote calculator. It's green, I'm assuming because it's lawn care. It asks for full name, phone number, property acreage and house square footage. So now I'm going to test it and see how it goes. Okay. Okay, interesting. So Mine worked perfectly. It did exactly what I needed it to do. It's awesome. Now the math, like I need to adjust the math and I'll get to that in a minute, but it works. So I'm going to keep tweaking it.

Since I didn't do this earlier, I just put in the pricing. So I just chose 50 bucks per thousand square feet of mowing. And then I told it to adjust for smaller or larger lawns and to adjust for, to, you know, change to acres and do the calculations for that if needed. And I said that that's for A one time MO. I said if they want hedging two, just add a 25% additional cost. And then I told it that if the customer signs up for monthly instead of one time, they get a 5% discount, BI weekly an additional 5% discount and then weekly an additional 5% discount. So it's now adding in that pricing logic and it'll give me the updated version shortly.

I like that. How many credits are you at?

108.37.

I just feel like with these vibe coding tools, customization is going to be the name of the game. Like why would you pay Salesforce thousands of dollars a month or HubSpot or whoever when you can build exactly what your business needs or when you can build exactly what your customers businesses need for a fraction of a fraction of a cost where you use all of the features. There's no features that you're paying for but not using. It's exactly what you need for pennies, right? Yeah.

Oh yeah, totally. Okay, quick thing on my end, if you see my screen Here, this is tkowners.com this is a community that Chris runs, that I help him run. It's amazing. If you want to do anything in the world of entrepreneurship and business, you gotta get in this community. We're doing stuff like this every. Yeah. So it just spit out. It spit out my pricing update, which was great. So it did it and it did all the ratios and all that. And then it asked me if I wanted to like build a robust backend database and stuff. And I just said no, just email me the quotes. You know, once someone fills it out, just email me the quotes to brandon@wallermedia.com and can you also launch this on a live test URL? Mm. So let's see what happens.

It's funny cause it's like in using these tools, you kind of have to retrain your brain, right? Like, yeah, let's say you get to this point and you're like, okay, let's say we've never used a Vibe coding app before, right? We get to this point where we have a working prototype and we want it to be on a website, but we don't even know, like, how to ask it that, right? Like, all right, well, I've never used Emergent before, so, like, the gut instinct is to Google like, how to deploy Emergent app onto a website. But no, like, just use the chat interface that you're currently using to build the app, to ask it questions about the app, you know, okay, ready to deploy. What do I click next? And then it will switch from being like a coder to a customer support agent all within the same chat window. But yeah, you just have to start thinking along those lines. Yeah, yeah, totally.

Look at my screen. Like, it just asked me a bunch of questions. Some were technical, some not that technical. I asked it, I said, email me the quotes, and then it said, okay, what API do you want to integrate? And then it gave me some choices and I'm like, you know what, just put the lead forms on a Google sheet to make it faster. And then. And it had asked me, like, all the info that I want, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, just include whatever the person enters in lead form and the instant quote. Like, I'm not doing me, Brandon. I'm not doing anything fancy here. To your point. I'm just chatting with this thing and I'm like, yeah, just do this. Like, I'm like, yeah, just commanding it like a, you know, entry level employee who happens to be amazing in AI.

Yes. Okay, so I like how it gives you an option to deploy it right within the chat window with a big green button. You can't miss it. You can preview it by clicking that. I don't want to talk you through what I've done so far, but I want to test it first. All right, can I walk you through what I've done? Yeah. All right, so I'm not going to tell you yet what my original prompt was, but here's the logic of how I'm looking at this. So I wanted the name and phone number because this is a lead magnet, right? This is accomplishing two goals at once. It's saving me time because it's quoting a job for me because these guys probably spend a lot of time on the phone and if they're mowing a lawn, like the average business owner in this space at least is out there mowing lawns all day. They're not like, they don't have a receptionist, right? So they're losing money ignoring calls from people that want a price because they're probably already very targeted and like it's probably a very hot lead that they're ignoring, right? And so if they could just have an autoresponder say, oh, I'd love to offer you a price, just fill this out real quick. Then A, they get the lead and B, they save time, right? So that's kind of how I'm looking at this going into it. So I want the name, I want the phone number, I don't care about email because this is a very phone based business. I need to know the acreage. And I told Emergent, or I just reminded it like, you know, we're using acreage is like 43,500 square feet per acre, right? So if they put in point one, it's going to be 10% of that. And then we're using house square footage because they're going to subtract that from the acreage. And then I also told it subtract 10% of the acreage from the square footage as well. So let's just say it's a 0.1 acre lot that's roughly 4,300 square feet. And let's say it's a thousand square foot house. Subtract that, we're at 3,300 square feet. But then we also need to subtract 10% of the lot size to account for the driveway which is going to be 430. So that leaves us with what like 2,600 square feet, right? And then I know based on the last neighborhood I lived in that like a small house on a small lot like that is going to be about 40, 50 bucks. So I just said multiply the square footage by 1.6 cents because that's about how you get to about 40, 50 bucks, right? So it spit that out for me and then it worked. And then I said, whoa, whoa, whoa. I tried like half an acre and it gave me like $300. And I'm like, I know that's way too much for half an acre. So then I went back and I said I need to scale the pricing for larger lawns. A half acre lawn and 2000 square foot house should not cost 281. Your math is right. But that price is way too expensive. Okay, so like do a discount against the 1.6 cent rate of 20% for every quarter acre. So obviously I did a very poor job explaining that. But don't get hung up on doing the good job explaining it. It's going to figure it out, right? Yeah. And then it spit out something that worked. And it said the tiered pricing feature has been added to the calculator incorporating volume discounts for larger properties. Yada yada yada. It breaks it all down. Guys. I have started dozens of businesses at this point and every once in a while I'll see some random fee in my bank account that makes zero sense to me. And when you're dealing with international stuff, you see it all the time. It's not uncommon for currency conversions to eat 3 to 5% of every transaction. It's insane. But Airwallex fixes this with things like multi currency accounts across 60 plus currencies. No double foreign transaction conversions, killing your margin. You can collect payments in euros, hold them in euros, pay suppliers in euros. None of that converting back and forth. Over 150,000 businesses use them across 160 countries. They've got corporate cards and expense management built right in. So stop bleeding fees and go check out airwallex.com your global business without borders. And then I said add a field for asking how many mo's per month. If once full price twice equals 20% off the total per mo, three or more equals 40% off the total per mole per mo. And then it did that quite perfectly. And where I'm at now is I said work in a minimum. Because I played around with it and one of the quotes it gave me was $0. And the math was right. Right. I did like a 5,000 square foot lot and a 5,000 square foot house. $0. Yeah. So I said work in a minimum where it will never quote any job less than $40 per mo. It will override all math and then add in a checkbox that says add in weed eating 4, insert price more per mo and then the price should be 20% of the total mo amount.

Sweet.

So that's where I'm at right now. Where are you at?

Okay, so I asked it to just house all the info on a Google sheet. And so it says that it just finished that. So it's got all the quote generation built. It says the backend has been tested, then all API endpoints are responding correctly. It says it's all ready to go. It says I need to follow the Google sheets setup. Md little thing that it gave me to create the Google Sheet basically that it will connect with. And it has that above. So I'm going to do that really quick and then launch it. I think one thing that's worth noting is like depending on what industry you're in when you're watching this, we're building lawn care quote generators. The same logic can be applied to so many industries, whether you're a roofer or a painter or in fencing or whatever. Like calculating fee and you know, logic and spitting out the correct pricing and then using this for lead gen and spitting out a quote right away. Which is not the norm these days.

Right.

The norm is me. If I want a new roof, I have to call roofers and then they say they're going to come out or maybe they didn't even answer the phone. So like this is a good way to get around that, get some instant feedback and hopefully quick leads. And what I would do if we had more time today or if I really wanted to build this out, once the thing is live, I would probably also structure it to where I get pinged or I would for sure structure it to where every time someone fills out a form and they submit their contact info that I would get a text, I wouldn't just want the email, I'd want a text with their info and I would text and call them right away saying hey, I got your thing. It's, you know, the quote says it would be 80 bucks a week, but actually if, if we start this week, I'll do it for 75. So you're like double over delivering over any normal competitor, which is transparency of pricing up front and speed to reply. In the home services industry, those two things are not that normal. So this strategy helps you stand out with both.

Yeah, it helps you look like a nationwide brand for next to nothing software. Right. And one thought that I had is like no shade to Jobber, but if I want the Jobber account that has, that has like the SMS functionality or a lot of these things, it's like four or five hundred bucks a month. It's crazy. Yeah. Like the vast majority of businesses cannot afford that. And the vast majority of businesses might need like really need 3 of jobbers, 50 features, 100 features. Right. So once again I already said this, but they're paying for all this stuff that they don't even use. But with something like this, maybe like this one little feature is a game changer for them. It helps them close more deals and it helps them save time. Right. Not miss out on stuff for a tiny price. And then like this could be free, this could be your lead magnet, this could be your foot in the door to start charging them for other stuff, to start charging them for their own version of Jobber. Right? Yeah. Or for A lead gen service or for anything.

Yeah, yeah, totally. Hey, quick note, for some commenters out there, you don't need to say the Malcolm in the Middle comparisons to me anymore. Malcolm in the Middle, all grown up. You've been. You've been sharing that in the comments.

They're saying that about you. Yeah, I'm just joking, but yeah, that's amazing.

On every YouTube video of yours that you posted of me, people make Malcolm in the Middle comparisons.

Oh, my gosh.

I've never seen the show actually, but I heard it was good.

Have you heard that before from others?

I never, but it's just in your YouTube videos that I appear on.

That's amazing.

Yeah. Okay. Mine is live. I'll show the URL Momaster 6 emergent host. Check it out. So enter your lawn size. So I. I did do it differently. So I'm counting currently on people knowing how big their lawn size is, either in square feet or acres. Lawn mowing, hedging, bi weekly, instant quote. Boom. 2,000 square feet. 112 bucks. Discount applied. Awesome. What's included? Okay. Okay. So I just entered my info to receive the quote, thank you. You know, it gives me the thank you page and that I'll be contacted shortly. Also business info here, which obviously I could customize if this was real. Yeah, it all looks pretty good, pretty quick. Then I would just get the contact lead and contact them so it spits out the thank you confirmation. And then that information, the lead form just goes to my Google sheet. And so now, you know, the $112.50 is there along with their contact info. And if I was Greenscape Lawn Care, if I was the owner of that company, I would just, you know, call and text them right away and I would probably offer them a Discount off this 112 to get started this week and to close them. And good to go.

Ooh. Oh, man. Yours looks better than mine. Dang it.

I do like the little. The blurb they gave me and the little sub thing. Professional lawn care instantly quoted. Get your personalized lawn mowing and hedging quote in seconds. Quality service, transparent pricing. Beautiful.

Okay, so that's a little. It's a little different. It's almost like yours is like its own standalone business. Right. Whereas mine is like a little widget that I'm sending customers that's not meant to be, like, publicly facing. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess my thought process is this. I would have, like, this would be a landing page or a homepage of a live Website that I would try to drive traffic to to get customers from this. Yeah, yeah, that was the approach I took.

Whereas the approach I'm taking is like kind of like missed call, text back. Right. You're mowing the lawn, someone calls you or someone texts you. If. And this would be an additional automation we'd have to build probably outside of Emergent. But if it's not answered, let's say if the phone isn't answered at all and if the text isn't answered in five minutes, then auto text a link to this and say so sorry, I'm actually mowing a lawn right now. I assume you want a quote. Happy to do that. Fill this out. It'll only take 30 seconds and then I'll call you back, like in person. That was kind of my intent for this. Yeah.

So you could probably use Lindy plus Emergent to do that, right?

Yep. Or Zapier or go high level or whatever. Yeah. Maybe you could even use Emergent to do it. You know, I don't know. I don't know it well enough. Okay, mine is ready. So there's mine, there's yours. Yours is like kind of a landing page. Looks super nice. You've got these boxes right here are responsive. You've got a shadow gradient. It's nice. And like it's green but not too green. It's different shades. It's not shouting at me. You have two different checkboxes here for lawn mowing, hedge trimming, service frequency. I like that. I like how you have square feet in a separate box. Lawn size, service frequency. I'm going to go ahead and. Okay, this is cool. I'm going to do one acre. We're going to do lawn mowing and trimming. We're going to do bi weekly. Get instant quote. Okay. It was literally instant, which is awesome. Your custom quote. 2450 per service. So that's a lot.

That seems high.

Your step. That seems high. $2,400 to mow an acre. But on the like visual side of things, I think yours is a no brainer. What's included. I like that. And then they fill out the lead. I don't prefer the fact that you don't get their information until. Cause if they don't like the price, you're never going to get their number. Right.

Yeah, that's true.

Contact information. That's nice. I don't have that. So I guess my favorite things about yours, if I look at it holistically is it looks better, it's better design. I like that. You incorporated Airbnb into the prompt, which we'll get to in a minute. And I like just the UI of like the checkboxes on the homepage and all that. What I don't like is that you don't get their information unless they like the price and the fact that the pricing doesn't seem quite dialed in. Whereas I spent less time on the look of it and more time on the math of it on the back end. That's my gut take.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I need to fix that because I said I think I started at 50 bucks for a thousand square feet, but a thousand square feet is not that much for a lot. So scaling that up to an acre adds up pretty quick. So I didn't do any like scale down pricing logic and all that kind of stuff. I more just did ground up and go from there. So I need to fix that. And I think what you said on the info on the lead information side is everyone needs to decide. Like I'm counting on the instant price, in which case I need to fix. But can I deliver an instant price so good that they'll give me their contact info? So I'm willing to like lose some people that won't give it to me regardless. Because I know, because of the ease and speed I'm hoping will make up for it.

Well, a thousand percent. I mean that's the age old trade off when it comes to lead generation. The more friction you implement, the fewer leads you get, but the higher quality those leads will be, the less friction there is. You're going to get a lot more leads, but your close rate will go way down. And there's no right way. It depends on the industry, you know. Yeah. So I just broke down yours. Why don't you share your screen?

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Well, I like it. It's very Simple. There's only literally one thing I can do here. So let's see here. Acreage I'm going to do, I'm going to do 1.5, actually, I'm going to do 2.2 house square footage. I wonder how it calculates this because it like, is it like the footprint? You know, what if it's two stories?

I thought about that and I did not incorporate that into the math. So.

Yeah, I don't even know that's fair. I'm just curious. Okay. Calculate.

Well, that's another trade off. Right. Like, I could add that question in. I could add that question in and I might get 5% fewer responses because there's more friction, you know.

Right.

But it could be a more accurate quote. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

So I did do 2.2 acres. So it's obviously a big lot. Takes away the house, takes away the driveway. Mobile area, 40% with 3x monthly service. I like that because that's what I chose. But I like the extra call out in a separate color on the discount. I did want weed eating, so it adds that 500 bucks per cut. Yeah, that's pretty sweet. And you know, I didn't work in a pay now thing because, you know, we had different thought process processes with what we were trying to build here. But I like that you already set that up because. Yeah, that would, if you were to, you know, fully integrate that, then that would be, that'd be awesome.

Yeah. One of the last prompts I gave it was put in a blue pay now link that I can add a stripe payment link to.

Yeah.

So right now it leads to a dead stripe link. But yeah, what I don't like about mine, now that I see it, is it doesn't scale the discounts enough. Based on the property acreage. 512 for 2.2 acres is still too much. Like, I know in Texas there, there have been a few times when I've gotten two of my acres mowed and weed eated and it was like 200 bucks. Yeah. Well, because I, maybe in some markets.

Yeah, I mow mine and I, I, I probably actually have something like, I have a decently big backlog. I, I probably have like a full acre plus of lawn that I mow with a riding lawnmower and it only takes me like an hour and a half. So, like I wouldn't pay, you know, five, four or five hundred bucks for an hour and a half. My time is still worth.

Right.

More than that in my head. Also, I enjoy mowing.

So.

Yeah, that's That's a good call out. I think the only other call out that I would say as far as how to improve, because I like everything else, would be include more like, what are the benefits? What are the things that are included in the job? You know, clean up.

Yeah, all that kind of stuff. That's true. Because if I'm trying, if my goal is to save time here, then that would help accomplish that goal, right? Yeah. It's too simplistic.

Yeah.

And it would have just been an extra sentence in one of my prompts to add that. It wouldn't even have had to have been its own prompt. That takes time to load and everything, you know? Yeah. So I want you to approve of this. I don't want it to be a leading question. Yeah. If you were a busy lawn care business owner wanting a simple web app that quoted jobs for you, which one would you use? Is that pointing people towards mine too much?

No. No, I don't think so.

Okay. Option A, option B, and then I have a simple poll here. Yeah. Is that good? Yeah. All right. I'm curious how much Twitter suppresses it.

Or not, because it's too.

But I'll just delete it once we get some results here. All right, we got option B right here. We got option A right here. I mean, I'm kind of asking a lot of people, like, click on two different links, play around with them.

You're dominating me already.

I am, yeah. Oh, interesting. Oh, commented on it. Did you vote on it?

I voted on mine.

Look at that, you're up. So that's your only vote then.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What the heck?

All right, you got a couple votes.

Okay, well, I'm gonna hurry and make a Twitter bot. Just kidding. When does it become statistically significant? That's what we need to decide. It won't be until I'm ahead. So whatever that number is, that's a good question. 50,000 votes. Yeah. Okay, well, it's not statistically significant yet because I'm not winning yet. So keep it going.

It's moving in your direction. I should end it right now.

Oh, I won't.

All right. This is fun.

This is good.

Why don't we take this time while we wait for votes, for you to read what your first original prompt was, and then I'll do the same.

Okay. Yeah. So my first prompt, in an effort to show people that you don't have to be a genius of any kind to get good vibe coding platforms going. Mine was simple. I went off Chris's joke about the Iranian prison. So I typed that in for fun. I said, I'm in an Iranian prison and need you to build me an app perfectly so I can escape. I need you to build me a web app for a lawn care business. It will be a quote generator. That's all I said. Like, literally almost. No, I would say no details of any kind. And I worked through it a little, of course, over time, but the first one was very simple, and it already, you know, got me going on the journey pretty dang good. So I was happy with it.

I think that's great. I'll read my original prompt. Mine was longer. I want to build a web app for lawn care business owners to use to enable potential customers to quote a job. It should be a simple form with a calculator on the back end. The form question should be 1, name, 2. Phone, 3. Acreage, 4. Square footage of the house. Yeah. Then the calculator should subtract the square footage of the house from the acreage and then subtract another 10% off the size of the lot to account for the driveway. And I just totally made up that 10% number. I have no idea how big a driveway is in relation to the lot.

Yeah.

Then the quote it spits out should be 1.6 cents for every square foot of the the property. And once again, I got to 1.6 cents by just getting to $50 for a small lot. For example, a 0.1 acre lot is about 4,300 square feet. Let's say the house is a thousand square feet. The driveway is going to be 430 square feet, or 10% of the lot size. So the quote should be 4,592 per cut, which is 4,300 minus 1,000 minus 430, multiplied by 1.6 cents per net square feet of lot. Makes sense. So I. I wanted to, like, show it my math just to hopefully save me another prompt or two on correcting a mistake. Yeah.

If somebody were to judge us based off of our prompts, your IQ would be approximately four times higher than mine off of our initial.

Whatever.

I looked quite.

Whatever.

That's okay. I'm okay. I'm okay, though.

Yeah.

Okay. I calculated how many words I typed in in total to emergent over the course of my six prompts. So six prompts in total and 211 words is how many words I typed in. That's very, very low.

That seems very efficient.

That's, like, incredibly low.

I'm guessing it seems efficient, though.

Yeah.

Because fewer words equals. It couldn't it could equal more time. Right. But it could also equal fewer credits, like, less cost on building this thing.

Yeah.

All right, so my count. Here's my final count. I had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. All right. I had nine prompts for 354 words. What was yours again?

Six prompts for 211.

Very interesting. So I had like 60, 70% more words and 50% more prompts than you.

I mean, I would say both of us, with one more good prompt, could make all the changes needed that we would want to make on ours before making it fully live.

Right.

Like some slight adjustments to pricing logic on both of ours and some other things. And obviously we took different directions, but in, I don't know, under 400 words for you and 10 prompts, and in under 250 words for me and seven prompts, we'll have something live and working in the span of under an hour as well.

So my prompts had 40 words per prompt and yours had 35. So pretty close. Yeah.

Interesting.

So it's. It's almost like we netted out the same. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like, same amount of time. What were your credits?

I'm at currently, I've got 51 left.

So I have 42 left. So which track? So, like, yeah, I had a few more prompts, few more characters, few more credits, but we did them both in about the same time.

Yeah.

So if we go to our poll. Yeah, you are 64% to me, it's 36% to you.

It's not statistically significant. I want everyone to be reminded of that because you're.

I gotta screenshot this for posterity's sake. Well, should we call it.

Yeah, no, this is good. You could do a. Let us know in the comments which one you think won.

Yes, please. The comments might disagree here, but yeah.

We can put these URLs in the description of the video. You can let us know which one you think.

One.

I won't be offended if it's not me. Don't worry.

Yeah. And if you're a landscaping business owner, go to mobid Emergent Host or what was yours like? MO Monster?

MO Master six.

Yeah, Mo Master six. Great domain names.

Yeah, great domain names.

Well, this was fun. Emergent seems like an awesome tool. If we wanted to keep this app on Emergent, it would cost 20 bucks a month. Or we could export it and take it somewhere else. But it cost us about. About 10 bucks to launch these apps. Not bad.

Super fun, easy to use.

If you guys are liking this video, please subscribe. Brandon, where can we find you?

Yeah, I'm on Twitter, Brandon Doyle. And, yeah, check out tkowners.com if you want to learn more about this kind of stuff or just scaling your business or networking with entrepreneurs. It's an awesome community that Chris and.

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