In this panel‑style conversation, Chrystal Hurst moderates a candid discussion with Christine Caine, Winter, and several unnamed participants about the meaning of leaving a legacy of faith across generations. The speakers share personal stories—such as a birthday celebration for Chrystal’s son at a large women’s conference, memories of attending a CeCe Winans concert, and Winter’s upbringing in inner‑city Baltimore—to illustrate how God’s grace can transform difficult family histories into blessings for future generations. Christine recounts a genealogical search that uncovered a lineage of convicts, murderers, and other sins, prompting a deliberate break in the family cycle and a commitment to a “bloodline in the sand” of faith for her children. The dialogue also explores practical ways to sustain community while traveling extensively, highlighting intentional “sister circles,” global friendships, and the metaphorical “oil meetings” as forms of discipleship. Throughout, the participants emphasize gratitude for the privileges their children now enjoy, the purposeful nature of God’s work, and the importance of proactive relationship‑building to ensure that faith is passed on effectively.
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My middle son went with us, we were in California actually, and we were speaking, and there were a couple thousand women at this event, and they all sang happy birthday to him, it was his birthday. And when we got to the hotel, there was a gift for him for his birthday. So I was thanking the event host for that, and she said, "You know, because it's important that your kids know that while there's a lot of things you have to do because you're in ministry, there's a lot of things you get to do." Beautiful.
So true. And the reality is, I can Right now in my head, I'm going through a Rolodex, which says my age, but anyway, I'm going through a list of all of the benefits of the reality that Dad was Dad and was running that church. All of the people who passed through, I'm thinking of, you just mentioned Winans earlier, I'm thinking of Daddy and Mommy taking me to a CeCe Winans, BeBe and CeCe Winans concert, and afterwards they got invited to someone's house for dinner where BeBe and CeCe were. All of the things that, like you said, there are a lot we had to do, there are a lot of things we got to do, and that we got to experience that were a gift of that life.
Okay, so what do you—
Well, I wasn't a PK kid, so—
No, that's okay.
I made the boat trip over my kids. I know, I created it. But I tell you all the time, I always feel like, what, your life wasn't exactly the same?
Because it feels like we basically feel like sisters.
Yeah.
You always stick together.
But they do a lot.
I know, we were in Texas, she's in Maryland. She was in Boston. But her upbringing and different story is completely different. They just moved here like a decade ago.
Yeah, okay, okay. But we just impose, well, I did impose our reality a lot. That's how it was for you.
And it just was not. I mean, I grew up inner city Baltimore. My father was not, you know, Tony Evans. Like, he was not home, he was not in the house. So just a completely different story. Same family, so my grandparents, that same testimony is there, but my personal testimony is completely different. So it's just funny now. So when I hear you say that, like, growing up you got to do this, I think about that because now I'm grateful that your kids get that same experience now where they get to sit—
go ahead.
I'm just saying this because I didn't mean to interrupt you, but this is going to make me cry. I was actually just telling you about this. We went— we all kind of go back to Baltimore in bits and pieces to see grandfathers and aunts, and I was in Baltimore this last time, and I called her afterwards because I was standing there in Baltimore where we visited as kids, where they were raised, and I just started bawling at the harbor, at the Baltimore Harbor. I just started bawling because I thought all those decades ago when 2 Daddy came to know Jesus Christ as Savior, Jesus was already thinking about us. Wow.
It wasn't even about Tony Evan's in that group right there.
It was about them too, but he already had Alina and Caitlin, all your little girls in mind.
Yeah.
So even with all of the hardship that you went through as a— I know, but I'm saying, think about even with all that hardship, the covering and the grace and the blessing that came with two daddy living faithful skipped all the way down so that right now, as you're celebrating the privileges that your girls are having despite your upbringing— exactly, that covering right there covered all that. Jump down to the bottom and remember, like, yeah, God sees us.
That's—
my whole day has just been, he sees And there's no accident. Like, every single thing is just purposeful.
And just that, that then, yeah, even then, if it's void of purpose on its own, he gives it purpose.
Yeah, because 2Daddy's still in the inner city. He's still in the same house where he raised Daddy. So all of us could still be sitting there in this drug-infested neighborhood. All of us. That could be all of our life right now because he's— he doesn't live like that, but I'm saying he still lives there. And just think about your upbringing and your mom. And, you know, all— I know your mom just went on to be with Jesus, but that reality brokenness that you came from.
Totally.
That, all that over there, that could be your kid's story. And now their story, the whole trajectory is completely different because all the way back then, Jesus was already thinking 2, 3, 4 decades later.
Totally.
How to steer stuff so that— and that really is, I'm not trying to go into like a message or whatever, but I'm just saying—
Of course you are. There you go.
It's me inner. I'm just saying that really is encouraging for somebody who's thinking, my stuff has been so jacked up.
Totally, totally.
But then you get to be the one that starts the trajectory.
You know what I'm saying?
It gets to be you, which is a privilege, really.
It's huge.
It's huge because you change it for the generations. I always say I went to Bedworth in England once to preach, and it's near Stratford-upon-Avon, where William Shakespeare did all his deal. I got a degree in Shakespeare.
I knew that.
She loves me.
Thank you.
Stratford-upon-Avon is where William Shakespeare's house— he wrote all his stuff. I've got a degree in English, so Shakespeare was a deal. So I thought, I'm going to go and visit Willy. So I went to his house, right?
But he wasn't there.
William out.
Because he was dead. Yeah, that's it. And so, but across the road there was this store, like a genealogy, you know, where you go put, you put a name in a computer. Now Nick, his parents are from England and Ireland. So I'm thinking I'm going to go put in the name Kane because Nick might be related to royalty. And so this was at the time when Charlie was, Charles was going to marry Camilla. So I'm thinking I might get an invitation to the wedding. Like I was like really pumped. You never know. Like maybe Nick's got estates, Lord, Baron, and something, whatever. Okay, so I put in the name Kane. This is no word of a lie. I'm expecting something. It comes out with this whole genealogy right back to the First Fleet, like in Australia where they came in the convict ships, and there's pirates and convicts and murderers and rapists. Like, no joke, right?
All of it is like murderers, right? Killing myself laughing, right?
Because I'm holding this paper. It's just got the—
it goes right back.
It's just like iniquity, iniquity, Anything you could think, right? To the convicts in Australia. God bless the Queen. And so, and then on my side, what have you got? You know, you've got adultery and incest and fornication and abuse and addiction. And this is what happened to me. I was walking down the street, I had my own little— I'm holding this piece of paper and I was looking at it and I'm going, nothing can ever change this.
Like the part—
this is what it is. And then I thought, but because Nick and I, in, you know, the 30th of March 1996, made a decision to draw a bloodline in the sand. We said, with us, with us, this stops. With us, abuse stops. With us, addiction stops. With us, that we can't change that, but when our kids look at it, they're gonna go, oh my gosh, something happened. Something, that line broke from there. We can't change anything above it, but all the generations after will change because of that. And we have that too.
We have that too. We look at our grandfather too. I look to this day and go, because you put your foot in the ground and said, "This is it." That's your family. And it makes me so happy for them. It made me happy for my grandmother before she passed away. That they got to see their grandchildren and great-grandchildren actually sharing the good news of Jesus Christ in print and on a movie screen. That they got to see that sort of stuff before they passed away. That stuff, they would have been like, "What in the world?" How'd this happen? Faithfulness, just the faithfulness.
For me, even further than that, because there's my, you know, the grandparents, but my mother, who can now, you know, like she was there.
She was riding with you in the Foolery. To pick y'all up from camp and how she kept y'all in church, because your mama was serious.
She was serious about making sure none of that stuff was going on.
Yeah, she was intense about them staying in church.
She was intense about you too, because I remember you being in town and she'd be like, Chrystal, let's go.
She would sit at the table like this and put her finger in my face and let me tell you what you need to do.
Yeah, she was.
Oh yes.
What you need to do?
She didn't. I listen later. I listen later.
But just that now, know that she gets to see that. So she just cries nonstop. I mean, she just—
yeah, but when you think about it, it is, it's just like huge.
Jesus. Yeah, just, you know, it's just peaceful.
So thank you, everybody. Well, I have one more question that I wanted to ask you. So you came in and you talked about us and how we're together and our kids all mushed together. People don't even know whose kids belong to who. They think Alina is your daughter. All of our kids, their name starts with J. They don't know who belongs to who. But we all have different sister circles. So we have this family sister circle, and then you have a lot of speakers and writers, and they provide a different group for you. And you've got your oily friends who provide a group. We have different ones. Your what friends? Oily friends. You know, the oil situation.
Let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something about that. Oh Lord. I have decided—
This sounds like you coming for me.
No, I say, y'all, let's get together. Let's get together and have dinner.
Let's get together and have prayer.
We can, you know, we gotta do this and that. These oil meetings? Oh, they are having oil meetings.
So if you would just join the oily team—
I'm like, this is discipleship. Yeah, this is discipleship.
You would be at the meeting and we would be—
So basically I can only be discipled if I do oils? Anyway, so your sister circle, she wants to know how you do that. How do you do that when you're on the road 300 days a year? Who is your— who are your people?
I have some of my speaker friends. I've got a couple of dear friends from Australia that have been my friends for like 30 years, you know, from when I first— so I'm very intentional about staying in contact through, you know, like through my phone. And so I do have that I would—
and she's built—
you've built— you've been very strategic about building relationships where you go.
Very much so.
So when she's out of town traveling, she's going to say, I'm here, what can we— how can we see each other? How can we make sure our kids are doing well?
Very much so.
So she's fostering—
you know, so one step ahead. So it's like, it's kind of like I just have a global sister circle.
I love that.
Yeah, I do. I really do love it. So it's not like I'm lonely or isolated in that sense. And it's just, you just got to make sure that you're proactive.
That's all.
All of us. Because you're right, if you're not proactive, it doesn't happen.
For anybody. You don't have to be traveling. It just doesn't matter.
For your work, your kids.
You don't have to be traveling.
You still love each other.
You live across the street.
That's the deal.
Exactly.
Winter, can you pick up the phone when I call, please? Why do you—
I'll talk to you after this.
I feel like, you know, we need a little bit of—
I didn't mention. Yeah. No, this is great. This is great. Well, thank you so much. We appreciate your honesty. We appreciate the patch.
