How Meditation Can Help You CREATE A NEW REALITY For Your Life w/ Dr Joe Dispenza

What sinks in the brain links in the brain, and all of a sudden the person starts to feel more like themselves. There's an integration. So we started noticing these elegant states where there was global coherence. In other words, we were measuring many compartments of the brain simultaneously. And when waves are working in order, when they're working in coherence, then the whole entire brain is working like a symphony. And you start feeling whole and you start feeling clear, and you can think, you're coherent, you can have a vision or an intention of the future.

All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. I have my dear friend here today. First person in the history of the show to come on three times. So that says something right out of the gate. And let me tell you why. He's brilliant and I enjoy my time with him so much. And I know all of you do as well. If you're new to the show, today will be something that you're going to want to share with as many people as you possibly can that you love and care about. My guest is Dr. Joe Dispenza. Difficult guy to describe. I guess I would say he is probably the best guy on the planet that sort of looks at the potential of the human experience and the combination of sort of brain and heart coherence, epigenetics, neuroscience, the combination of all these different elements in one person, and he delivers it in a way that you can understand it. He's the smartest guy in the room, but never feels the need to let you know that. So he's back to impart some of his wisdom on us today. Joe, thank you for being back here.

I'm so happy to be with you and happy to see you too.

Love our time together. So there's a lot we're going to cover today.

Okay.

What are you working on right now, though, that you're most excited about? Because when we were getting ready to do this, you're like, I am probably more excited right now than I ever have been in my life. So let's start there.

Yeah. What's happened in the last two years? We run these week long events and it's a full immersion. And just before COVID we had a group of scientists from the University of California, San Diego, come and study some of the phenomenological things that have been happening in people's biology. Because we have had numerous testimonies of some of the most incredible things that. That if you asked me three years ago when I was first on your show, would we ever see anything like this or do you think you'd see anything like this? I'd probably say maybe once in my lifetime I'd be super happy. So blind people, seeing deaf people, hearing people in wheelchairs, from strokes with paralysis, walking again. I mean, these are profound upgrades biologically. I think if you teach people the what and the why, then the how gets easier because it becomes practical. And when people understand the what and the why, they assign meaning to what they're doing and they switch on their prefrontal cortex that, that executive function in the brain actually dampens down the circuits. That has nothing to do with anything else but that single minded thought, right? So, so when you understand the what and the why and there's nothing left to conjecture, to superstition, to dogma, to spirituality, that science is the contemporary language that we use to demystify the mystical. So when that person stands on the stage and they're telling their, they're the example of truth, they're speaking truth, right? So they've actually applied those principles that were once philosophical, theoretical, that was just basically knowledge and the application, the personalization, the demonstration created an experience. Experience is really what changes us because it enriches the circuitry in the brain. But the end product of an experience is an emotion, right? And emotion is what teaches our body chemically to understand what our mind intellectually understood. I look out in the audience and people are leaning, you know, they're, they're looking at truth. They're looking at an example of truth that is the four minute mile. That's somebody who broke through a level of consciousness or unconsciousness that says that we can heal by thought alone. So what is the, what is the science behind that? So when we started bringing in reputable scientists, people that are, well published that, that spend their life studying microbiology and cellular function and epigenetics and a brainwave function and all these other different elements, thousands of metabolites on a cellular level that could be secreted. We're looking very specifically when we did these studies. So we started studying everything and we started looking at brains and we started looking at hearts. And then we started noticing that people would have these very, very, very transcendental moments where there was a significant arousal that took place in their brain. And that arousal, which is typically based in fear, in anger or aggression, or in pain, that's a survival response. This arousal was ecstasy, this arousal was bliss. So the amount of energy in those people's brains during that moment of, the only way that I could describe it is connection. That moment produced such a level of Energy in the brain that it was hundreds of times normal.

And this is being measured. You're doing the brain scans.

We're measuring it in real time.

Right, exactly.

And then when we see these very, very high degrees of energy in the brain, at the same time, we're seeing a high level of order. Now, not just a little order, not a lot of order, Like a supernatural amount of order.

When you say order, Joe, do you mean the coherence between the brain and the heart, or what do you mean by order when you say that?

Okay, so if you're late for an appointment, you got to pick your kid up. There's 10 texts you have to answer, and something went wrong at the office. The arousal of the stress hormones causes us to move into that primitive nervous system of survival. And when we're in stress, we're trying to control, we're trying to predict, we're trying to organize our life, because that unknown something can go wrong. It's unpredictable. So we shift our attention to one person, to another meeting, to another place we have to go another time, another thing we have to do. And every single one of those elements has a neurological network in our brain. Because you've experienced your wife, you've experienced your coworker, you experience your, you know, your pain in your back, your cell phone, whatever, you have a relationship with everything physical or material, and it's mapped neurologically in the brain. In fact, the neocortex is really a record of the past, right? So the arousal of those stress hormones causes us to shift our attention to all of these different elements, and we activate circuits. And like a lightning storm in the clouds, the brain starts firing very incoherently. And when the brain is incoherent, we're incoherent. When the brain isn't working right, we're not working right. At the same exact time, you're sitting in traffic, you can't really run. There's nowhere to run. You can't really fight. There's no one to fight. And, you know, you can't really hide. And so the arousal of this primitive nervous system causes the heart to. Its rate to increase and a respiratory rate to increase, because that was the mechanism of survival. If you're being chased by T. Rex, you better increase your heart rate and your respiratory rate. So now the heart rate and the respiratory rate are increasing, but you're not running, fighting, and hiding. There's a physiological change in your body for emergency, and you're taking all this vital energy that you would use for growth and repair for long term building projects. And you're tapping all the body's resources and you're turning it and converting it into chemistry, right? So now the heart is racing, but you're not using that energy. So it's pumping against a closed system and it causes the heart to start firing very incoherently. And that's when you stop trusting, that's when you stop loving, that's when you stop communing, that's when you stop cooperating, that's when you stop really creating or thinking about possibilities. Not a time to learn, not a time to go within. And so people spend the majority of their time living in the state. And in that aroused state, those chemicals heighten our senses and we narrow our focus on the material world, because that's where the danger is. If something's behind the big rock and you hear it moving and it's dark at night and you're walking, you're going to freeze and you're going to narrow your focus and the arousal is going to heighten your senses. And that kind of narrow focus becomes habituated when people live in constant stress. Now we talked about this on one of the shows we were on and you can turn on that response just by thinking about your problems. So now the arousal of those chemicals becomes almost like an addiction. You actually, it's the familiar. And you need the familiar stimulation to reaffirm that emotional state. Right? Because that's how we feel alive. So we thought, wow, what if we teach people how to go from that narrow focus to broadening their focus and opening their focus and focusing on nothing material or physical. And when we did that, by sensing space, by sensing nothing, opening and broadening their focus, those different compartments of the brain that were firing out of order incoherently started to synchronize.

Got it.

Now what sinks in the brain links in the brain. And all of a sudden the person starts to feel more like themselves. There's an integration. So we started noticing these elegant states where the there was global coherence. In other words, we were measuring many compartments of the brain simultaneously. And when waves are working in order, when they're working in coherence, then the whole entire brain is working like a symphony. And you start feeling whole and you start feeling clear. And you can think, you're coherent, you can have a vision or an intention of the future. So when we were doing these studies, we noticed that if we could teach people how to dial down their thinking, neocortex their analytical mind, and by sensing space, if you're sensing, you're not thinking or analyzing, you're sensing. And you start slowing your brain waves from that high beta brainwave state when you're in survival into these lower beta brainwave states and ultimately into alpha.

Okay, Alpha.

Now Alpha is the creative state. Alpha is the imaginary state. That's when the voice in your head that's talking to you all the time, that default mode kind of shuts off and your brain starts to see in images and pictures. You start imagining it's an imaginary state, it's a creative state. So we use that state in the state of creation. But then we took it a little further. What if we could teach a person to slow their brainwaves down even more into theta. And in theta, you're in a hypnotic state. And hypnotic states cause you to be very suggestible to information. And suggestibility is your ability to accept, believe and surrender to information as the truth without ever analyzing it. And that's what exactly programs the subconscious mind.

The applications for this, everybody listening to this is your whole creative state changes when you're in this state as well your ability to create. You even make the case that their personality changes, right? That there's a personality change. And so I want you to address that because you have this unbelievable saying that you say your personal reality is dictated by your personality, Right?

Exactly.

And so just step back into that, just for a second, the application of it and creativity for people. And then is it a temporary change?

Okay, thank you for asking the question. Because we also discovered that you didn't have to have those transcendental moments. All you had to do is work on regulating your internal state every day. And the novice meditators, people who just came to an event that really had no experience in meditation, but immersed themselves for seven days, our data suggests at the end of seven days, their body completely looks like they're in a different life, a completely different environment. The science is pointing the finger at there's strong environmental changes going on in the person's biology. But they're in a ballroom, right? There's not a lot of things happening in a ballroom. But so then how does that happen? Okay, so the application then becomes important for everybody. Because when we started looking at advanced meditators that didn't have those transcendental states, but they practiced meditation every day, there was a dosing effect. In other words, the more they self regulated, the more they were resistant to the things in their environment. Well, let's think about that. If I say to you, Ed, why are you upset today? And you Say I'm upset because of the staff member. I'm upset because what I heard on the news, there was traffic, I was late. What you're really saying is my environment, some person, some condition, something in my outer world is actually having control over the way I feel and the way I think. And so that's a subconscious program called victimization. Anything that controls you, the way you feel and the way you think, you're victim to. Now the problem is, is that the majority of times our response to the environment weakens the organism. That means that your fear, your anger, your aggression weakens you, weakens the organism, you. So now the environment is actually causing the organism through the stress hormones and the long term effects to really start down regulating systems in the body. Right? That's incredible. So as long as you react to your environment and the response is causing you to become weakened, you're victim to your, what makes sense. Then would you be more susceptible to anything in your environment because you're a victim to it? But the process of change is, the difficulty is that 90% of the thoughts you think are the same thoughts you thought the day before. Nerve cells that fire together, wire together, keep firing the same thoughts, keep making the same choices, keep doing the same things, keep recreating the same experiences that stamp the same networks of neurons into the same patterns, all for the familiar feeling called you. And do that enough times in your biology, your neurocircuitry, your neurochemistry, your hormones, your gene expression stays the same because you're the same. Okay, so then instead of sitting down, trying to meditate for 10 minutes and say, I then believe in the thought, I can't meditate, or I don't have enough time, or I'm a really important person, or I got too many, too many emails to answer, it's garbage day, or it's my mother's fault, it's my ex's fault, I want to complain, I want to blame, I want to make excuses, I want to lay down, my bladder's full, what am I doing wrong? They're agitated, impatient. That's the personality that has been hardwired and conditioned emotionally into the past, that's resisting the unknown. It would rather cling to suffering than take a chance and possibilities. So our events, we say, okay, here's the knowledge. And I can say now with a great degree of certainty more than ever, that if you actually do this and you stretch yourself a little bit further than where you would normally go at home, your brain will change. And if you teach people how to do this over and over again. And no different than training an animal. The body is the animal.

Are you training the body that you're in charge? Is that what you do?

You're telling the body it's no longer the mind, that you're the mind? Yes. And when you do that, those victories add up. And then all of a sudden, there's a liberation of energy. There goes the guilt, there goes the pain, there goes the whatever. It doesn't matter if it's health, it doesn't matter if it's wealth or success. It doesn't matter if it's a loving relationship, a change in a career, a mystical experience. Whatever it is, the person all of a sudden starts to relax into the present moment. Now let's demystify the present moment. People wake up in the morning and they think about their problems and those problems or memories etched in their brain that are connected to certain people and objects at certain times and places. The moment they wake up in the morning and they start thinking of their problems or thinking in the past, okay? Now every one of those problems has an emotion associated with it. So when they feel unhappy, when they feel bitter, when they feel fearful, now they're bodies. In the past, thoughts are the language of the brain. Feelings are the language of the body. Thought and a feeling, image and emotion, stimulus and response. You're conditioning the body to be the mind of that emotion subconsciously. Now the body is believing it's living in the Same past experience 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

Why?

Because the body's so objective, it doesn't know the difference between the real life experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that person is creating by thought alone.

The body doesn't know the difference.

And so what? The environment signals the gene? That's epigenetics. The end product from an experience in the environment is an emotion. The person's signaling the same genes in the same way. And genes make proteins, and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of your body and the expression of proteins, proteins as expression of life. And now the person is actually headed for a genetic destiny. And when people labor for the present moment and they take their attention off of their body, off of all the people in their life, all of the objects they own, their cell phone, their computer, their car, their house, they're no longer identifying with where they're sitting, where they need to be, where they live, where they've lived in the past, where they need to go and they're not thinking about the predictable future, the familiar past. They're dissociating from everything physical and material, everything known. That is the exact moment we call getting beyond yourself. Okay? Now, when we're in that place, then at the beginning, it's uncomfortable because we're. Survival is the unknown. You better chances of survival and running from the unknown. But that unknown is the perfect place to create from. So in the process, no different than any rehab in our first two days of our event, really. People are basically. They're basically rehabbing from their emotional states and their habits, and they're sitting in the presence of that discomfort, Right? And the discomfort is because the body is leaving the known. But the body has been conditioned to be the mind. The moment you take it outside of its familiar territory, it's going to start telling you, ed, why don't you quit? You know, you're not really good at this. You know, you're more of a physical person. You don't really want to do this. You're not very this or very that. And most people just get up when they do the meditation. They believe that thought as if it's true. Now the question is, what's on the other side of that thought? Can you sit there long enough till that's no longer the thought you accept, believe, and surrender to? Well, then, wow. The next question side of that thought, what is the other? What's on the other side of that familiar emotion? Can I sit and work with my body and settle it down? Stay. You stay. I'm going to feed you. You're not going to die from this. Your bladder's not going to explode. You're not going to go crazy. And you work with catching those thoughts. It's called metacognition. If you're in that 95% of programming where you're unconscious, then the first step to change is becoming conscious of your unconscious thoughts. So conscious that you would never go unconscious or let that thought slip by you unnoticed.

I want to understand. So you're saying the awareness of the thought, being conscious of the thought, has it somehow lose its power over you?

Exactly, Exactly. Because just because you have a thought doesn't mean it's true. And if you're left alone to yourself, you'll start believing every thought you think, and that's the problem. So then the majority of people's thoughts then are based on what they perceive about themselves from their past or their life. Right? And if you catch yourself complaining and blaming and making excuses and judging someone else, and you say, I Want to be a happy person? Well, a happy person would never do that. Would make them unhappy. If you notice that you've been feeling guilty for the last 20 years, you didn't know it was guilt because it just felt like you. And you want to feel joy. Well, if you can feel joy, it should tell us volumes about what you've been practicing doing, right? So then most people give up because they don't know that there's anything on the other side of it. So then the next question is, what thoughts do you want to fire and wire in your brain? Well, and with attention and with intention. If you keep practicing firing, wiring those thoughts, you start installing hardware. Do it enough times and it becomes like a software program. And now that's the new voice you programmed in your head that said, I can do this. I believe in myself.

And you've created, to an extent, a new personality which can create a new personal reality.

Now, here we go. So then the next question is, how am I going to behave with my kids today? How am I going to be with my wife? How am I going to be with my partner? How am I going to be at work? How am I going to be on my zoom calls? How am I going to be by myself? How am I going to. What does greatness look like? What would love do today? It turns out that if you close your eyes and you start imagining doing that, if you rehearse how you're going to be in those certain situations, the evidence without a doubt shows that your brain will start to look like through the mental rehearsal of the act, that you've already done it. Now you've installed the hardware, keep doing it, it becomes a software program and you'll start acting like a happy person. No magic there. If you don't have the circuits, you can't do it. So the rehearsal then is actually changing the brain. Just by thinking differently, the brain looks like the experience has already happened. Now you have hardware to use. Do it enough times, you get good at it, becomes more automatic. Now here's the hard part. Can I teach my body emotionally what my future will feel like before it happens? Now, this is really important because there's a pandemic going on in the world that has nothing to do with a virus. It has everything to do with people's attention span and learning. People need a rush of dopamine in order to catch their attention or a rush of adrenaline to learn, and so that they're dependent on their outer environment to regulate their emotional state. Now, this is different now. Now I'm going to say to you, get in that beautiful heart of yours and I want you to feel gratitude for the event before it occurs. Well, I can't feel it because it hasn't happened yet. Yeah, that's the conditioning, that's the hypnosis. So then when you teach purple people how to create heart coherence and self regulate and it makes sense, then with a coherent brain, they can hold the image of their future. They can actually then rehearse who they're going to be. They can bring up the emotions of their future. Now here's the cool part.

Awesome.

If they can feel their gratitude before their healing, their healing begins. If they feel their abundance or their worthiness before they have their wealth, it will start generating abundance. If they start being in love with themselves and being in love with life, they'll create an equal. That's the law. They're in awe of life or in awe of the moment, they're going to have a mystical experience. If they're empowered, they're going to start stepping towards their success. Success. So then when we wait for the outer world to change our internal state, that's a conditioning process because some people will live in lack and separation their entire life because they're not creating anything. When this happens, then I'll feel happy. That's the illusion of three dimensional reality. That's cause and effect. But feeling the emotion ahead of the experience is causing an effect. So the heart, when it's coherent and tends to produce an external magnetic field that's up to 3 meters wide. Now you got a wi fi signal. Now when you have a coherent brain, the brain could actually lay the information on that signal and the thought of your wealth or your health can be carried on the frequency of that heart emotion. Emotions are the end product of an experience, right? Epigenetics says it's the environment that signals the gene. If the environment signals the gene and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, that person's signaling genes ahead of the environment and now they're biologically believing, behaving and actually becoming that person. So if the person sustains that state, and we look at novice meditators that come for a week and 90% of them and the metabolites, not just a few, the majority of the metabolites and novice meditators suggest that their body's in a different life.

So you're transcending your environment. People ask me all the time, why does Joe always go back to the health part of the benefit of this, I'm going to stay in there. And it just dawned on me because you're a scientist, so the external stuff of attracting the relationship you want or the money you want, or the emotion that you want is a difficult thing to measure, isn't it? It's a difficult thing to measure, but when it becomes a one's health or well being, it's measurable, right? So for example, you say that, and this is how powerful this is. Think about the power of this. Joe's able to tell you that he can actually measure the emotion, the repeated emotion of fear and its impact on the immune system compared to the repeated emotion of gratitude or bliss and its impact on the immune system. So it's actually a measurable, tangible thing. So address that, stay on there. And then the other thing, we keep using this term, heart coherence. I know there's a part of my audience going, okay, what is that? My understanding of heart coherence essentially physically means that your breathing and heart are actually in unison at one point and that you sustain that over a duration of time. Elaborate on that and go for it.

Coherence is rhythm. It's a cadence. And when you're in fear or you're in survival and your heart rate increases and your respiratory rate increases, your brain waves go up into this aroused state, right? And people spend 70% of their life anticipating the worst case scenario that's going to happen in their life. And prepare for the worst. Chronic stress does what causes us to hold our breath. All right, so we found, you know, in our research and working with the HeartMath Institute and also some of the stuff we've been doing, that if you slow your breathing down, you slow your brainwaves down, and if you teach your body to move out of survival, there's only one other thing it wants to do. It wants to create, right? So now just imagine a big drum. And now you're so contracted that you can't, you can't hit that drum. And as you learn and teach a person how to convert from that fight or flight nervous system to the nervous system of relaxation, the heart actually starts to bloom. And when you place your attention on your heart, we have the data, I can say this emphatically, that when that heart starts to beat in rhythm, it starts to inform the brain that it's time to create. Like taking a big sheet and going like this wave of energy goes right to the brain, the brain goes right in the alpha and says it's safe now to create, examine other possibilities. You're out of survival. Right. So then as you hit that drum repeatedly, there's a wave of sound that's produced. And the more coherent it is, the more it can carry information. Right. Or if you drop a pebble in the water and you drop another pebble in the water and drop another pebble in the water. When your heart is coherent, there's a magnetic field. Field, Right.

Do you think, Joe, that, like. I'm just curious. I'm thinking about all the applications and stuff. You know how I'm always the application dude, Right. I'm thinking of a guy like, I think I'm just a person. Like, I've watched that could embody this in some ways. Do you think, do you assume someone like a Tiger woods or a Brady? I think I'm like, okay, now I'm an athlete thinking about this. Most athletes, most people going into a boardroom to make a presentation, for example, or to ask somebody out for a date, the more stressful they perceive the environment to be, the more poorly they perform. Typically, yeah. So you can take two golfers who both hit a golf ball the exact same way. As the environment changes and becomes the perception of the environment becomes more stressful, I'm just right? You're nodding yes. For people that are on audio. A guy like a Tiger woods, when it's the putt to win the masters and there's 50 billion people watching and it's for Legacy, everything's slowing down for him. His heart rate is probably more regulated. He's got more heart coherence at that time. So he's in a creative state, whereas the other person's heart rate is increasing. Their complete incoherence and they can't create and function.

And incoherence causes you to over analyze. Got it. And we've discovered this, that if you, if you analyze anything, your life, yourself within some disturbing emotion, you're going to make your brain worse one 100% of the time. In other words, you're thinking in the past and your thoughts are arousing the brain more into that state of survival. Now, that's when we over focus. That's when we overthink, right?

So the ability to do whatever you've always done the other way, if you've conditioned yourself into the state of anxiety or chaos or fear repeatedly, then you create a personality that creates those elements in your life and then you reinforce it with your experience. You can then do the same thing the other way.

That's my point. That's my point. So then, so then the person's Having a spontaneous love attack. They've done it enough times, their body's going, hey, it's been about two hours without a little love. Well, let me just, let me just automatically do that. And so now when you feel these elevated emotions, it activates the pro social networks in the brain. Survival creates the protective networks like, I don't trust you, I'm separate, you're different. I'm going to do my own thing, I'm selfish. Right now it's all about me. Let's compete, let's fight, let's, let's, you know, manipulate, manipulate. Let's force it, let's control it, let's do matter. Trying to change matter. That's kind of the program, right?

It is.

So then the opposing part of this is that when people start to connect and they start to have these elevated states, then something really unusual happens. The reality seems to conform in ways that are equal to who they're being. So now the heart is saying to the brain, it's time to create. And now your energy has changed. And nothing, everything changes until we change our energy. And when you change your energy, you change your life, Right? And so then the idea then is to be able to maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day and as I said, get so good at doing it with your eyes closed that you can do with your eyes open. Now if you can sustain that state for an extended period of time, I don't care what you want. And people have created all kinds of things. I use health as the example because it's really relatable. Now all of a sudden it's like you're no longer having to go and get it and do something like matter to matter to go get it. And until you arrive at that experience, you're in lack or separation until the experience happens. There's a feeling where, oh my God. Well, this is kind of like the opposite. This is like you're not going anywhere, everything's coming to you. So the thought tends to have an electrical charge in the quantum field. It tends to be the directive, it sends the signal out. And the heart tends to have a magnetic field. It tends to draw the experience to us. So then if you teach people how to create from the field instead of from matter, they will shorten the distance between the thought of what they want and the experience of having it, between the cause and the effect. Now think about three dimensional reality. Many people can develop the skills to become successful. They can make the right choices, they can study real hard, they can practice, they can get trained, but they're gonna follow certain rules of Newtonian physics. It's just gonna take time to get what you want. It's just gonna take time and hard work. There's nothing wrong with that. You do that for a while and sooner or later you're gonna say, is there another way? Now this is where it gets exciting. Okay? If it's not matter that's emitting the field, it's the field that's creating matter. If I can change the information in the field, I can change the, the expression in three dimensional reality. So if you can teach a person to become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, in no time to become pure consciousness and disconnect and dissociate from everything physical and known in their three dimensional reality. We have data to say that people can do this. Now all of a sudden, if they become aware that they can actually connect to that field with their awareness, and they're not at mylet any longer, they're a consciousness, their awareness, an infinite vacuum in emptiness and space. It would be like the illusion is the virtual reality headset. You're taking the headset off. You can't get the upgrade from inside of it. If you could have a coherent heart and a coherent brain and create from the field instead of from matter, every thought in the quantum field produces a frequency. If you can feel the frequency of that thought and you experience it, you're shortening the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of it. And you're creating coherent patterns of, of energy in the field that actually changed the hologram in three dimensional reality. So for me personally, I've done a lot of the matter of the matter stuff, got really good at it. And then I just said, there's got to be another way. So demystify the process. I don't care what you want. I don't care if it's a trip somewhere or a new life or a new car or whatever. People who do this, what do you think they feel when they see that? First synchronicity. You think they'll be like, oh, I don't want to meditate tomorrow I'm going to do this. Are you kidding? The synchronicity happens in the energy. The surprise wakes the person up and they go, whatever I'm doing inside of me is producing some effect outside of me. I better pay attention to what I'm doing and keep doing it.

And every human being's had some glimpse of this, at least some point in their life. The point is that this can be happening on a regular basis for you. The real irony of all of this is this idea of changing from matter to matter and then moving into a higher space where it's energy to matter. The truth is, is that when you get there, we're going a little bit deeper. Is that the very thing that you think you want to create in matter? You don't really need to create in matter?

No, because listen, when you start connecting to those greater frequencies, you're moving closer to source. And what is source? Pure love. What is it? Oneness, wholeness, whatever you want to call.

That, it's right there the whole time.

It's inevitable. It's like it's the most familiar unfamiliar feeling you'll ever have. And we came from that place, we came from there. And you're in an experiment called three dimensional reality, consciousness and the never ending process of self discovery. Right? And so now the person who has the synchronicity, who has the coincidence, this is what I love about our community more than anything else. They do the work. They're not philosophers, they're not theologians, they're not academics. They are out of the bleachers and they're on the playing field every day. They're creating. And the person who heals from their disease, they're not saying, why am I not healed? They're saying, what is it about me that I still have to change that will create the healing. This is a different experiment now. And so now we had a guy that came in a wheelchair, an event we did recently. He came in that throne, he walked from, he had als. He walked from the back of the room all the way to the stage, walked up the stairs out of that wheelchair on his own. I asked him, he said, I just have to work on staying in this emotional state, because the longer I stay there, the more I'm noticing that my body's responding. He's not saying, why am I not healed? He understands that the only way he can actually heal is to change him. Right? And so now it becomes very practical.

Right?

It becomes very practical.

Don't you think it's important, that practical part of it? I think sometimes people think they're disqualified if they can't explain something. They do. Well, let me tell you one of the interesting things on the show. Many of the people that do things exceptionally well that have been on my show, athletes or entertainers, really don't do a very good job of explaining it. They embody it. And I think sometimes someone listens to somebody like you who can explain this and think that they're disqualified from becoming good if they can't explain how they're doing it. But the truth is, it's a repeated experience that becomes familiar for them without the need to express how they're doing it.

Right. Again, for me, right this is your.

This is your life is teaching people to do this and giving them the tools. But for the vast majority of people, it's. It's creating the experience.

Everybody, everybody has done this at least once in their life. What did they do? They sat down and they said, what would it be like to be happy? What would it be like to be healthy? What would it be like to have a new life? What would be like to be in love? And they asked the question, instead of getting on their cell phone and texting someone or posting, they actually sat there and they actually said, let me answer the, the question. Let me get uncomfortable here. And what is it that I truly want? What would I have to change about myself to be healthy, to be happy, to be, well, successful? What are my bad habits? They get busy writing down all the choices they want to make, all the things they want to do. They start writing down all their goals, all their experiences, and every goal experience they write down in their future, there's an emotion. They get inspired, they get optimistic, they get grateful. They get energized. And those emotions fuel more thoughts. And now they're actually changing their biology. And then they do something really, really, really, really important. They start looking at the thoughts that they no longer want to think. They write them down. I can. It's too hard. I'll start tomorrow. Don't feel good. They start looking at the choices they're going to have to stop making. And when they, they understand, when they stop making those choices, it's going to be uncomfortable. That's the hardest part about change. They start thinking about the things they have to stop doing. I got to get off the couch. I got to stop watching this. I got to stop overeating, whatever it is. And all done this. And there comes a moment where you start noticing that. Like you start saying, hey, I believe this is. This is actually going to happen, right? And that's when you take the foot off the gas pedal and you start really realizing, wow, I was the resource of actually making this happen. And I changed. I changed in the process. So the exciting part about it, you tell people who created wealth, talk to people who created relationships that are. Talk to people who have created health. They'll tell you my disease, my poverty was my greatest teacher, my Past was my greatest teacher. They look back at their past and now there's no longer an emotion associated with it. The memory without the emotional charges. Wisdom. Now you get to go to the future, you get to create whatever you're free willed. You could be anybody you want to be in the process, right?

Memory without the emotional charge, that's how you erase its impact on you from the past. I want to ask you something about that. I've always wanted to ask you this. And by the way, Joe and I, we've flown on my plane together. There's all these times I wanted to ask you this question and I wonder because I have created some things in matter in the material world that maybe now I'm at this place where it's dawned on me all along. My fear is that I think sometimes if I think the way I'm about to ask you about, maybe I wouldn't have created any of the material things which I know is flawed thinking. And it's this, it's this idea that you can get to this heighted gamma wave brain state and you're just fully intentional, right? Having an intention at that time. We have a culture that's been taught for years and years and years to get really clear intention about the physical matter things we want. I want a million dollars in the bank, I want a private jet, I want to weigh 150 pounds. But the truth is we really don't want those things. We want the emotion we think those things will give us. Wouldn't it be smarter for people to get, and very few people ever do, to get clear about the emotions they wish to experience on a regular basis and not the physical matter things.

Well, that's exactly the point. That's exactly the point. And look, people can create all kinds of wealth and they can create all kinds of abundance. They can have the cars, the homes and everything. But if they can't be present to enjoy them? I've sat with billionaires and they've looked me in the eye and said, we're all miserable, we're all miserable. So then at what point do you have to wait to change? Does it have to be that lowest point? Or can you learn and change in a state of joy and inspiration instead of pain and suffering? And that becomes the art, right? So then to change then is to be greater than the habituations, the drives and the emotions that have been conditioned in the body. To change is to be greater than the conditions in our environment that every person, every object, everything in our life, life has a neurological network associated with them. They're known because we've experienced them and we have an emotion associated with them. So you, if you're not being defined by a vision of the future, you're left with the memories of the past. And you see your ex. And you're going to see your ex through the memory of your past neurologically. And that's going to elicit an emotional response. And you're thinking and feeling equal to your environment. Your life's not going to change. So then the next question is, how could I overcome that condition, that with my ex? Can I actually forgive? Could I actually open my heart? Can I actually. The reason we do this is because the stronger the emotion we feel towards someone or something in our life, the more we pay attention to them. And where we place our attention is where we place our energy. And so then we're giving our power away to that person or circumstance. That's vital life force you could use to change the person who's sitting in the meditation. And they want to quit. This is. They're thinking, they're doing their meditation wrong. I want to tell you, you're doing it right. That's the defining moment, right? And you lower the volume to that emotion. I guarantee you'll take your attention off that person. Person. And sooner or later, when the body finally settles down and you get beyond it, you're going to take your power back. And that's building your own electromagnetic field. Now you have energy to heal, now you have energy to create. We measured this. Now you have energy for creation. Right? So we see this incredible dance that goes on now because we've built the technology between the heart and the brain. So then when the brain and the heart are coherent, my goodness, there's a feeling. Well, you can call it the zone, or whatever you want to call it, where just you feel like you have enough time to get things done. And no person, no circumstance is going to break you from your state. Right? That zone, or whatever you want to call that, is actually teachable. So do you have to reach Gamma to do that? No, we're just knowing that the people that hit gamma, they had an instantaneous biological upgrade. There's the eczema. 37 years of eczema. The next day it's gone. Back to your original question. We have great evidence in testimony and we have great evidence in our scientific studies. And evidence is the loudest voice. And you can't tell me you're too old to do this. You can't tell me you're too sick. To do this. I've seen people with 50 brain tumors that were emaciated, couldn't walk, couldn't speak on the stage, talking in front of an audience. Can't tell me you're too sick to do this. Now you examine that person who comes to the event and there's no hope. You have three months to live, you have six months to live. And they're not accepting that or believing that or surrendering to that. They're actually saying, there's got to be some other way. There's got to be some other way. If I created this, is it possible that I can uncreate it so that the person who's on the stage telling that story, and it may have taken them 18 months, but they never missed a day. Why is that essential? Because there were days where they felt so bad in their body, so sick, that they didn't feel like doing their meditation, but they did it anyway. There were days they had so much doubt because their condition was actually worsening and they could have succumbed to their doubt, but they did their meditation anyway. There were days that they were in such incredible fear because the doctor told them it was three months and it would be over. And it was the three month period. And they had every reason to not do their meditation, but they did it anyway. They could have said, I don't have enough time, I have kids, I, I got schedules. They found time to do it and it was the overcoming, the overcoming, the overcoming. That was the becoming process, Overcoming becoming. And, and when they became that person, what is the side effect of your own personal transformation? For example, most people, when they have a physical health condition, the moment they notice there's a change, like in pain, in something in their sleep, you know, whatever it is, there's some change, they make the connection right away and that's when it's the dog on the bone. Now they're doing it twice a day. Not because they have to, because that's their medicine. And I have sat with the scientists that have come to our events. I asked them to participate in a week long event. And the one guy who's looking at the virus outside the cell, I said to him, juan, well, how is this going to change? How is this going to change the way you do research? He said, this is my medicine. This I see, I've seen what it does. And people say, oh, are you saying meditation actually can cause your body be resistant to viruses? No, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. The data's saying that. I'm not this is not what I'm saying. The data is actually saying that, so what a great time in history to be alive, because you could be young. We have people that are 8 years old, 9 years old. We have usually about between 70 and 100 kids that come to our event that are under the age of 25 and under. We have kids that are 7, 8, 9 years old that participate all the way. I got down on my knees with one of these kids, and we were doing a specific meditation, and I leaned over and I said to him, how was that? And he said, that felt really good. And why do I want that to be a normal feeling for him? Because I want to know who he's going to be changing his gene expression at that age. It's an amazing time. This is a time in history where it's not enough to know. This is a time in history to know how. So my interest, to answer your question, is to demystify the process. No different than learning how to hit a golf ball. Everybody that has a skill that can do anything really well has done the exact same thing that I'm talking about. There's nothing different about it.

But you're demystifying by giving us the recipe and the formula and using science to validate it, really, for the first time. That's really the difference.

Yeah, but really don't believe me, don't believe me. Go out and experiment with it. Go out and experiment. See, if I change my energy, will my life change?

Would that be your first recommendation? Because as we wrap things up up here a little bit, would you recommend they just begin to regulate their breathing? Start with meditating? What would your first recommendation be? I'm listening to this. You go, I want to change. I still want to change matter in my life. I want to create the body. I want to create the world. There isn't anything wrong with that. I want to experience the emotions in my life that I've touched on them before, but I want to have them on a regular basis. I know they're right here within me at any time. What would your just basic recommendation be to begin?

Yeah, I think the first thing is to learn. Every time you learn, you make new connections in your brain. And learning is making those connections. And I was joking with my staff this week. I said, nobody reads anymore. Nobody reads. Nobody reads anything. Learn information. Why? Because we found out that in our events, if you can be present and not look at your cell phone or not talk about your past, but be present with the content. And I can combine quantum physics with neuroscience, with neuroendocrin, with psychoneuroimmunology, mind, body connection, epigenetics, electromagnetism, you can really get it. Like you can give me the nod. And then I say, okay. I look at an audience of 1500, 1600 people. Okay, well turn to the person next to you and teach it back to them. If you can't explain that it's not wired in your brain and you'll doubt that it's possible and you'll do something differently. Okay, if you can explain it, then you're causing your brain to fire in new sequences and new patterns and new combinations. Whenever you make your brain work differently, you're changing your mind. Why? Because mind is the brain in action. So you keep reminding yourself of this. Now it's easier to forget this than remember it. It takes practice. You can't get it in one bite. It's a learning process. Right. So now you're installing the neurological hardware in your brain in preparation for the experience. So knowledge is the precursor to the experience. Right. Without the knowledge and the information, it's conjecturous. Right. So the more you understand the what in the terms of what you're doing and the why you're doing it, the application, the practical aspect, the how becomes exciting. Oh, I'm going to get it. As an example, you can take someone and throw them in an ice bath. They have no knowledge of ice, what that can do. And then because they have no knowledge, the ice bath is actually going to, is going to cost them harm.

Right?

Right. You take that person, you can teach them a few things and put them in an ice bath and actually be instrumental, actually gain value from it. Well, the prefrontal cortex, the one that said, now you got to make this, you got to make this value. You can take a person and you can put them in an environment and they can perceive the environment as a problem and you can measure their autonomic response and it'll weaken their autonomic response. You can take that person and have them perceive it as a challenge and it'll actually strengthen their autonomic response. Okay, so now what's the reason behind this? Well, you got to put as much tension on your inner world of how you're thinking and how you're feeling and how you're going to behave as much as your outer world of three dimensional reality. And meditation is just a way to say, okay, let me get my brain and body right. I'm going to present Ed Mylett to the world today. I got one lifetime One Groundhog Day. One day. I just want something different, something unusual, something mystical, some sign from the universe that I created. And I wanted to come in a way that I would never think of. That would be the unknown. Because if I can predict it, it's the known. Okay, before I get up and grab my phone and do all my things and get plugged back into my known world, let me just say, okay, who do I no longer want to be? I want to become so conscious that I won't go unconscious again. The fundamental question is how many times am I going to forget until I stop forgetting and start remembering. That is the moment. There's nothing mystical about this. This is the work. And then you're going to say, okay, who do I want to be when I open my eyes? Okay, let me think about this. This. How would greatness live? I don't know. Read a book on greatness. Read a book on Nelson Mandela. You want to be wealthy? Read about wealthy people. And you're going to see that they didn't just make their wealth, they lost a ton of money and failed a million times. It was. And that's reality. Okay, well, let's. What, what were the qualities? They were, they, they had perseverance, they had determination. They let, they cut their losses, they forgave. They forgot about it. They went on. Okay, so how am I going to behave? Let me rehearse how I'm going to behave, what I'm going to do. Let me take my time. I have plenty of time to do this. Let me just behave. Let me think about how I'm going to behave differently in this situation. How am I going to change my emotional response? When did I fall from grace yesterday and went back to my old self. I'll set an alarm on my phone every three hours. I'm just going to go off and I'm going to take a moment and get back into the feelings of my future. Okay? If I can do that over and over again, well, what do you think could happen in my life as a result of it? So knowledge being the forerunner, the application. Simple stuff. Simple stuff. Practice heart coherence. There's plenty of stuff that we can, you know, we can talk about practice brain coherence. It's. We know, we know. I asked the brain scientists, what percentage of people, at the end of a week long event, what percentage of people will have their brains changed for the better? They said 100%. 100%. One week fully immersed into the experience. You practice it every day. Now you can't do it once or twice and say, why isn't my bank account full? You know what? I'm going to tell you, you're not that good. That's the only reason why. If you were that good, it would happen. You're not that good. So show up again and show up again and keep showing up. And I just was talking to a staff member today. The universe only gives us what we think we're worthy of receiving, right? So then people who show up for themselves every day believe they're worthy. They. They start feeling pretty damn worthy. Like they're like, I'm worthy for this. Not like an entitlement way. Like they just like, I'm, I'm really, I'm really. I feel like it's gonna happen. I'm worthy for it.

There's this intuitive knowledge about reciprocity. If I put something in that I should be getting something out. If I do it repeatedly. Totally agree with you.

Yeah.

I have to tell you for a couple things. One, I love you and everyone. I told you, you this is one of these shows. You already know this. You're going to listen to this a few times and you're going to want to share this with a bunch of people. You're also going to want to follow Joe. And where should they follow you, by the way? I shouldn't assume that everybody knows, although I think everybody knows.

But why don't you tell them? Well, we probably Instagram, Facebook, we have the website drjothespenz.com. you know, we have tons of resources for people to get started. We have a simple 13 or 12 series little instructional thing called the Formula. It's about brain and heart coherence with five meditations, a good starter for people, you know, that kind of stuff. But it's really about the knowledge and the application.

You're so special, brother. You're so special. And you know I love you and I'm really grateful you did this again today. Every single show's been so different. And because you keep growing and your work keeps growing and the breakthroughs keep happening, I'm really honored that I get to share you with people, man. I'm really grateful you're in my life.

Thank you. Thank you. The simple formulas, relaxed and awake. Okay? That's what brain and heart coherence is. Relaxed in your heart and awake in your brain. And I think you're that. Thank you, brother.

Thank you. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. By the way, everyone, make sure you get my book that's out right now or coming out, pre order it. The power of one more. Go to the powerofonemore.com or go to Amazon or go over there's books and get the power of One More. Follow Joe, Share this show that just rhymed and listen to it again or watch it again. There's too much in here to just do it once. And that's the sign of an unbelievable show that I can just feel people right now going, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. And that's what Dr. Joe does. So thank you again brother, everybody, God bless you and continue to max out your life.

Sam.