Daily Habits That Power Up & Change Your Brain with Dr. Daniel Amen | 1032 | Dave Asprey

You're listening to the Human Upgrade with Dave Asprey. Today I am interviewing one of my favorite people in the world who's created a revolution about understanding what's happening in your brain. And it's my friend, Dr. Daniel Amen. I wanted to have him on because he's gone deep on biology and right now, smarter, not harder. My new book just hit shelves and I've mentioned his work in the book as I have in many of my other books, because why would you want to improve something you can't measure? So given that we have a guy on the show today with more than 200,000 spec scans of people's brains, he's going to teach us how to change your brain. Every day I feel like maybe, Daniel, you don't need any further introduction. But for people who don't know 40 years of clinical practice, you're a psychiatrist, clinical neuroscientist, and you've looked at patients from 155 countries, including some very well known ones who publicly talk about your work, like Miley Cyrus and others. So thanks for coming back on the show, my friend. You'll be setting a record. This is your sixth time on the show and you've earned every one of them.

Hey, Dave, Love you. Love your work. So grateful that we have been connected all of these years. And I love your new book. So congratulations.

Thank you, Daniel. That's high praise given who you are and what you do. What do you think about the idea of a meat operating system? This idea that there's something running in your body maybe even before the brain gets a signal?

Well, it's so fascinating, in fact, if your gut is not right, you don't think right and nobody thinks like that. And I love the idea of the brain is lazy. And if you can sort of lean into that, then you can get your biology going in a better direction.

You can. Now, what I want listeners to do is I want them to get your newest book, change your brain every day. And I want them to order it. And guys, I want you to order it right now because I interview a lot of authors. I don't always tell you to order the book, right? Then I will tell you I have never regretted reading any one of Dr. Amen's books, and I want you to order it right now because smarter, not harder, and change your brain need to be right next to each other on Amazon. And that's why I'm bringing it all up, because the algorithms work that way. And I want to understand, Dr. Amen, why did you Write this book now.

So change your brain every day. I came to believe, I believe that brain and mental health are daily practices. So just like spiritual health, physical health, you have to do this stuff every day. And every day you're making your brain better by the behaviors you engage in, the air you breathe, the water you drink, the foods you eat, the thoughts you think when you decide to go to bed. And every day you're making your brain worse. And people don't know that. But after having looked at almost 250,000 scans now it's just really clear that if you get drunk tonight, your brain's going to work worse tomorrow. If you decide to play video games and not get good sleep, your brain is going to be impaired tomorrow. And I turned 69 in a couple of months and I've seen thousands of 69, 70 year old brains and it's not good news, but it's not for everybody that there's. I have this whole group of people that have great looking, more senior brains and I want mine to be one of them. And so a lot of people go, I've written 40 books, which just means I'm older and I'm consistent.

That's one per year for your entire career. It doesn't just mean you're older, it means that you're prolific and.

But people always ask me, which one should I start with? And you should start with this one because I took what I believe is the wisdom from my 40 year career and I put it in 366 short essays with a little action step at the end. And it's really the daily habits of brain and mental health. And I say brain and mental health because I hate the word mental. It shames people. Stigmatizing, it's wrong, their brain health issues. I think you and I would agree when someone's brain and body are healthy, their mind is so much better.

It's true. But why, like, this is what kind of drives me nuts, the idea of the meat operating system. In my book, it feels like the body does something before the brain gets the signal. And you're talking about these specific daily practices which by the way is a great format for a book. Like talk about actionable, which is always the challenge. But how do we know if it's like a body trauma thing that then got reflected in the brain versus a brain health thing? Like, like how do you even know that?

Well, you know, when, when I look at scans, you know, one of the things I learned recently is Spocked. The study we do at Amen Clinics is actually measuring mitochondrial function. 49% of the tracer is actually taken up in the mitochondria. And so we're really getting a good look, not just of blood, blood flow, but of how healthy your mitochondria are. And you remember when we scanned you, which is what, 15 years ago, your brain was not healthy, which meant your mitochondria were being poisoned by mold.

Yeah.

So it was really hard for you to think, even though you're super bright, which is that disconnection between who I think I am and what I'm actually able to do. And I've just come to believe your brain is an organ. So Justin Bieber told me this and I love him. And you know, like many of my celebrities, he come. He'd not come, he'd do what I say. Mostly not, but when he went through a hard time, he came into my office and he said, I think I get it. My brain is an organ, just like my heart is an organ. And if you told me I had art problems, I'd do everything you said and I'm going to do what you say. And then he got like way better. And I think we have to think like that is the physical functioning of my body is critical to how my mind works. And if I get my vessels right, if I get my microbiome right, if I get my detoxification pathways right, well, I'm going to think better. And I have to tell you, Dave, there are very few psychiatrists that think like this.

It drives me nuts because until, until I got the message from you, it was actually I was going to business school, so it was like 2002 or something. When I got my, my spec scan, that was when I recognized I had a hardware problem instead of a moral problem. Like I'm just dumb or I'm failing or not trying hard enough and all that. It's interesting that you're tying it back to mitochondria. And for listeners, the SPECT scan, you inject a radioactive tracer that goes away quickly, tell me if I'm going too high of a level and then it gets taken up. Right. Or is it radioactive? Or is it. Yeah, it's radioactive, but not in a way that's going to harm you. Yeah. And then it's taken up by mitochondria.

Single Photon Emission computed tomography. It's a nuclear medicine study that uses an isotope technician that I often say has self esteem problems because it changes shape and you do get a little bit of radiation about the same as a Head ct, it's gone the next day. And it allows us to see living brain tissue. I mean, it's really cool. And it basically tells us three things. Good activity, too little or too much. And then we can target our treatment to either calm your brain if it's working too hard, which it often does in things like post stress disorder, OCD or Covid. I mean, we spend a whole hour talking about COVID brain and. Or if it's too low in activity because the mitochondria have been poisoned either from a toxin or. You know, one thing that most people never think about is general anesthesia. I had a patient who had a hip surgery for six hours and she just couldn't think afterwards. But when you see her scan afterwards, it just like she got addicted to Xanax. It was low overall in activity. And when you see enough of these, you go, oh, I love my brain, I want to love my brain. So what are the things I should do?

Well, let's talk about anesthesia. I've always been concerned about that. I always liked xenon anesthesia because it helps mitochondria instead of harming them. But most anesthesiologists either don't know about it or don't do it because it's expensive. But if you're using something like propofol, is there something you can do ahead of time or afterwards to protect yourself? Because sometimes you do need to do it.

So propofol, probably, unless you're doing it a lot, probably that short term anesthetic like Versed is not bad for you. It's more when they're doing general anesthesia and putting you out for a longer time.

Okay.

In fact, children get this. Children who have general anesthesia have a significantly higher incidence of ADHD and learning problems. Adults who have general anesthesia, especially vascular procedures like bypass surgery, have a higher incidence of dementia. And they never tell you about that. They don't put it on the floor forms and they'll go, oh, it's controversial. Well, then you should put it on the forms.

Only non controversial things that increase profit margins belong on forms. I mean, come on.

So you know, I have a mnemonic, I like Latin. Talk about it in multiple days in the book Bright Minds, you want to keep your brain healthy or rescue it. You have to prevent or treat the 11 major risk factors the that steal your mind. And anesthesia would fall under T in Bright Minds for toxins. And there are just so many toxic things in our society.

So in your new book, you talk about These categories. And then every day there's something different. So it's kind of a one page or two page a day sort of thing. And one of the things I wanted to call out because it would take a long interview and it would be an audiobook if we did all 300 and however many of them there are. You talk about four steps to break a panic attack. And I've heard so many people talking about panic attacks lately, maybe people hadn't had them before. Can you walk through four steps you might want to do to break a panic attack? It's under the practical neuroscience part, certainly.

With COVID causing inflammation in the brain. I have many before COVID After Covid scans, like a little bomb goes off of inflammation, a lot of people, like all of a sudden, out of the blue are having anxiety or a panic attack. The first step is don't leave. So if you're having a panic attack in the grocery store or you're at a concert, don't leave. Because if you leave, that situation is now going to be tied to anxiety and your world is going to begin to get smaller. So you're anxious, don't leave. Unless of course, you're walking in downtown Detroit at three in the morning. Leave, Right? If it's dangerous, leave. If it's not dangerous, you're just feeling this overwhelming sense of impending doom. Step two is take a breath and do it in a very specific way. Four seconds in, hold it for a second and a half, eight seconds out, hold it for a second and a half. So it's a 15 second breath. But if you just do four of those, you're going to begin to calm down.

So it's 4 in and 8 out of 10, right?

Withhold it at the top and at the bottom for a second and a half. And if you do that simple pattern, it'll trigger a relaxation response. It's so good, it's so simple, you don't need a Xanax and it'll help you so much.

That's a major, major tip from the book. Breath work of any sort is so profoundly effective for the brain. Do we know why breath work is doing that to the brain?

Well, if you take twice as long to breathe out as you breathe in, it tends to trigger a parasympathetic response. And that all by itself will calm your body. I found it incredibly helpful. When I first was a young psychiatrist, I did a lot of biofeedback where I would measure physiological processes in your body. And I'd often put a strain gauge around Your chest and one around your belly. And I would watch how people breathe. And then I would ask you to think about your mom, your dad, baseball, something stressful. And it happens immediately that your breathing starts to change. So for me, my mom is a happy concept. And my breathing would become slower, deeper, more with my belly. My dad, on the other hand, was a stressful concept. And I'd start breathing faster and more with my chest. And if you ever watch a baby breathe or a puppy breathe, they breathe almost exclusively with their belly. So we call it diaphragmatic breathing. And if you breathe mostly with your belly, quick tip. Never wear tight clothes because it'll inhibit your ability to expand your abdomen, which will make you anxious all by itself.

So my corset training, I should stop. I was trying to rearrange my organs with a corset. Of course that's not going to work.

No. And a lot of attractive women wear tight clothes, which is why they're anxious.

Well, if they're stretchy tight, that's different than being like, hold everything in tight. Like yoga pants are generally going to be okay, right?

They would be okay. So the first thing is, don't leave. The second is breathe slowly, especially on the exhale. The third thing is write down what you're thinking. And it's often thoughts create feelings, feelings create behaviors, and behaviors create the outcome. And we live in a society of undisciplined thinkers. And what does that mean? I call them ants. Automatic negative thoughts. Thoughts, the thoughts that come into your mind automatically and ruin your day. There is nowhere in school where they teach you how to manage your mind. And so people just believe what they think. And panic disorder is almost always, if it's not driven by inflammation from COVID it's driven by your brain is scaring you. You, your brain is predicting the worst possible thing that could happen, which of course would make you anxious. So the first time I was on CNN, and I've been on, I don't know, 50 times over the years. And the first time I'd written an article in Parade magazine called how to get out of your own way. And we got 10,000 letters to our office. So this is a time when people real mailed things before email. And so they asked me to be on CNN to talk about my work. And in the green room, I had a panic attack. I couldn't breathe, I wanted to leave. I started sweating. And thank God the voice in my head, you know, the critic starts laughing at me. And it like you treat people that have this problem what do you tell them to do? Don't leave. Because, you know, if I would have laughed, I. I would not have had the career I've had. So don't leave. This second thing is breathe. So I did the 15 second breath, immediately, calm myself down. The third thing is write down what you're thinking. I'm gonna forget my name. Now, you and I have been on TV a lot. No one's actually ever asked us our name. They already knew it. But that was the thought I had. And the second thought I wrote down was, you're going to stutter. And the third thought was, 2 million people are going to think you're an idiot. Well, no wonder I wanted to run out of the studio. So write it down and then talk back to it. I don't know if you were good at talking back to your parents when you were a teenager.

I had oppositional defiant disorder. I was a professional.

Yeah, I was excellent at that. But no one had ever taught me to talk back to me. Like, come on, Stupid things.

I'm going to teach my kids that. Oh, brilliant. Daniel.

I have a kid's book that I love. It's actually here. I don't know why it's here. It's called Captain Snout. And the questions. It's about how to kill the ants. And so I wrote down your Forget your name. And you know, like a cat plays with a mouse before it kills it. If you ever watched a cat, they play with it because they're having fun torturing the torture of the thoughts. I'm like, you're going to forget your name? I wrote, probably not. I've never forgotten my name name. But if I do, I have my driver's license in my wallet. You're going to stutter? I said, probably not. I usually don't stutter, but if I do, there are probably dozens of stutters watching now. They'll have a doctor they can relate to, or 2 million people are going to think you're an idiot. And I wrote, probably so. And then right next, I wrote down these three numbers. 18, 40, 60, which stands for rule I teach my patients called the 18, 40, 60 rule, which says when you're 18, you worry about what everybody's thinking of you. When you're 40, you don't give a damn what anybody thinks about you. And when you're 60, you realize nobody has been thinking about you at all. And then I went on and I did fine. But if I would let the anxiety control me, if I would have left, it have been very bad for my life. And step four is if you're still anxious after all of that, theanine, magnesium, gaba, ashwagandha. There's so many natural ways to. To lower your anxiety. Never take a benzo. I'm not a fan of benzos. They're addictive. Once you start them, they're hard to stop. And did you know, get this statistic. 27% of all Dr. Visits, all doctor visits, someone's prescribing someone a benzo, like Xanax or Klonopin or Ativan. It's insanity that people are not managing their mind. They're managing their meds.

One of the things that I've noticed causes panic attacks very reliably is histamine intolerance. So when you either eat histamine directly because you're eating leftovers, or maybe you have more sensitive histamine system because you had mold because you had histamine. Even Covid, Long Covid. And I wrote about histamine. The reason I'm into this is, well, I have it, but also I wrote about it in smarter, not harder. And if you think about it, what histamine's doing is it's. It's telling the body that something's attacking it, and it kind of sets off the mast cells, these landmine cells. And we have mast cells in our brains. And since we know that mitochondria all talk to each other via quorum sensing, in fact, they talk to each other with inflammatory cytokines, which is what mast cells make. That if. If I eat some food, like, say, soy sauce or fish sauce, which is the highest histamine foods, when I eat those, I will feel physical anxiety. But if I take a quarter of a Benadryl, it goes away very, very quickly. And a lot of people haven't just thought about it, but it turns out that Ativan is a decent quality antihistamine in addition to all the other stuff that it does. And I often wondered, if you were having a panic attack and you sucked on a Benadryl, would it go away? Any thoughts on that?

I think for some people, if they have mast cell activation syndrome or their histamine's too high, Benadryl can be very helpful.

So maybe that would be somewhere to go before Ativan.

No, it'd be start tracking. If you're anxious, start tracking what you eat and how it makes you feel. You know, one of the most effective strategies that we use at Aven clinics is an elimination diet that if you are struggling with a Brain health, mental health issue. Let's first just get rid of the crap in your diet and so eliminate gluten, dairy, corn, soy, artificial dyes and sweeteners. Let's just start there. And also high histamine foods. And some high histamine foods you think of as brain healthy foods, like avocados are high histamine food. And then just see how you feel. And I'm a huge believer. And talk about this in the book of journaling. It's like every day, just rate you are on a scale of 0 to 10, your mood, your anxiety level, your focus, your energy. Just write them and then you'll see how those numbers change if you're just paying attention to what you drink, what you eat, and how you sleep. And I have this one case I talk about in the book. A guy who was severely depressed, had three courses of electroconvulsive therapy or ECT, 30 different medications. And I'm like, let's try an elimination diet, because nothing else is working. And within three weeks, he's better. And I'm so excited. I'm like, let's add back gluten. Nothing happened. Let's add back dairy. Nothing happened. Let's add back corn. He said within 20 minutes, he had a vision of a gun in his mouth pulling the trigger. Wow. Oh, we should break up with corn.

It's like, find the guilty suspect. Because not all suspects are guilty for you. Right?

Right. And, you know, I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Gloria Gluten anyways.

I think it's bad for your brain in general, but not as bad as.

Corn for this guy, but not as bad as corn for this particular person. And it. So what you eat, what you drink really matters.

I remember a study when I was first learning this about myself, what I was sensitive to, what I wasn't going back a long ways where I started journaling because I was so desperate. There was a guy who was treating schizophrenics, and this was back when you're allowed to smoke in the psychiatric ward. And he figured out that if he took his three schizophrenics that he was working with and put them in air filtered away from open windows, no secondhand smoke, they would return to normal. And then you blow some smoke in the room and they think they're Jesus, like complete, complete changes, because that was apparently a trigger for them. So it turns out that there can be these things in the world around you that aren't even food. And for me, for a long time it was toxic mold. I walk into a place and I'd experience a panic attack. Of course I knew what it was, but it was a feeling of doom, like, strong anxiety, like, oh, something's really wrong. And if I sat in that room for another half hour, I'd get massive brain fog and I get systemic inflammation. And once I realized that, that that was a signal, it wasn't actual doom, it's like, oh, that's an environmental signal to look out and maybe go somewhere else. And then if I didn't listen to the signal, that was going to pay. And over time, I just realized I don't have to pay even if I ignored the signal. Like, I can be in charge of my biology, but that was really advanced meditation and a lot of detoxing, and it got me there. How would someone new to this going, oh, wow, maybe it's where I am or what I'm eating that's triggering my anxiety. So it's not a shortage of Ativan. It's actually an environmental thing. How would you track the environmental stuff versus the food stuff?

Well, I think you just work through it. You know, what I we do at Amen clinics is we look at your brain. You know, we actually start by evaluating the organ, and if I see it has a toxic look, then we have to go hunt that down. So we have functional medicine doctors that work with us, and I often am like, something's toxic in their brain. Help me find it. So whether we'll look at mold, we'll look at heavy metals, we'll look at infections. And I just find that's incredibly helpful. I think all of us, if you're struggling with brain or mental health stuff, do an elimination diet for a month. And I've just found it to be so helpful. I mean, you and I know this, that we're poisoning our population. And with 50% of the population diabetic or pre diabetic, 72% of people are overweight. Our overweight population is not nourished. They're malnourished.

Yes.

Why? Their mitochondria and their bodies are. They feel so awful. And they're like, oh, it's because they're eating too much. It's like, well, they're not eating enough of the right nutrition.

Yeah, it's such a big. Such a big thing where you feel like you're fat because you're eating too much, but it's because you're getting a lot of. A lot of foods that didn't have the nutrients you needed to turn on the machinery in your cells, like just mineral deficiencies is a topic of one of the chapters in my new book. Because if you have enough zinc, you think your brain's going to work. You don't have enough copper, like, all these things. And if you're short on those and you reach for a prescription, or even if you're going to try to do breath work, if you're deficient in minerals, the breath work's going to be harder to do because your body gets a signal to calm down. And if it can't make a chemical it needs because it's lacking an input. So I just want people to be fully nourished in all the ways you can be nourished, and it works. And also, I wanted to mention, when you say do an elimination diet, the traditional elimination diet, the way it was first written about, and you know, this is just to educate our listeners, you had to eat. You could only eat one food from each group every four days. When I first did it, it took me 18 months to do an elimination that was very complex. And I would highly Recommend Go to daveasprey.com roadmap and get the bulletproof diet roadmap. You don't have to buy my book. Just get that for free. And then eat in the green zone and maybe take out eggs because they're a common trigger. And then you've just eliminated everything that's likely to be a trigger for you. And if you do that for a week or two and you feel much better, then, aha, something's guilty. And then you add them in one at a time, just like your patient, oh, he eats corn and he just, like, wants to die. But he was okay when he added in the other things. But the, the learning here for you listening. If you eliminate things one at a time and two of them are guilty, you will never see any change whatsoever. And that's the challenge. So you imagine if, if you're, if you had, you know, six tacks in the bottom of your foot and you, well, it hurts when I walk. So you take out one tack. It wasn't that you put it back in, you take out the next one. So you got to eliminate all of them at the same time. And I think that's one reason that longer fasts are so profound for people as well, is that you stopped punching yourself in the face with the guilty foods you were eating. Any. Any thoughts on that?

Well, I don't know if we've ever talked about the study that was replicated from Holland, where they took 300 ADHD children, put them on an elimination diet, which basically meant they could eat vegetables, fruit, turkey, lamb, turkey, rice, pear juice. Why pear juice? I don't know. And within three months, 72% of them did not have ADD. And, you know, they. They do a better job in the United Kingdom, where if they notice there's an offending food, they get it out of the food supply. Because there, if you're sick, everybody pays for it. But in the US if you're sick, you pay for it. And it's just a different mindset on protecting the population. I think we could do so much better. In my new book, there's a whole bunch of. Bunch of days where I imagine, if I was an evil ruler and I wanted to create mental illness, what would I do? There's like, 62 evil ruler strategies. I mean, it's sort of a play on words. It's, how is our society poisoning us? That's one example that I love so much. It's evil ruler genius. Where a Girl Scout, this was in San Diego, put up a display of cookies outside a pot dispensary, and in a span of about 3 hours, she sold 300 boxes of girl Scout cookies. And I'm like, that's genius. But it's evil ruler genius. It's like, let's give them bad, you know, sugar and trans fats with, you know, the product that gave them the munchies. I'm like, wow, this is our society.

I have a question. It's coming through from our live studio audience from the Upgrade Collective. And by the way, guys, if you want to join in, you can go to daveasprey.com and you can join the Upgrade Collective. And you get to be on and ask questions and chat, chat with me during these things. The question is for Michelle, and she says, if you know you have toxins like mold or heavy metals, should you get rid of it before you get a brain scan at Amen clinics? Or would you do the brain scan to see what? To see how you're doing? I actually don't know the answer to that either.

Well, I would get rid of it as soon as you could.

And obviously the question is, do you scan and then get rid of it, or do you get rid of it and then scan?

If I knew that I had mold in my body, I'd move out of wherever there's mold and then get scan as soon as you can.

Okay, I like that perspective. I think when you start detoxing, too, your brain can go down in performance. I got brain fog from getting rid of mercury, because when you release mercury, yeast starts to grow. When you kill yeast, it releases mercury. And so it's possible that you could. If you're not detoxing properly along the way, you're detoxing too fast. You can have worse brain fog. And then it. And then it comes back at the end. One of the things that was most rewarding for me was I got my scan back In, I think 2001, when I was failing out of business school. To be perfectly honest, I was failing out of Wharton. And I was like, something's wrong. I'm trying so hard, and it's not working. You know, I'm working just with every ounce of effort, and it just didn't matter. And it was. It was a little scary to hear, oh, you know, you have a hardware problem. You can fix it. But what was even cooler was to come back 15 years later. And I visited, and we sat down in your office, and we looked in. All of the holes in my brain that you would see were fixed. Right. And so to see the shift from the before and the after was really. It just made me feel like, wow, like, good work. Like to see how far you've come. So what I would recommend for Rochelle and for anyone else thinking about it, it's a good idea to know where you are so you can see what your detox did later. Even if you come in a year later or a couple years later, having a baseline for your brain in is good as well. As I hit my head really hard, too, and seeing what happens with a SPECT scan. So if you have a healthy scan versus what just happened, I think there's. There's great value, just like having your whole body MRI or having your hormone levels when you're young, so you know what they should be when they're old. I really like the idea of having a brain baseline, which is really cool.

Yeah. I mean, you can't change what you don't measure, which is why I think people should know their important numbers. There's a whole day I talk about know your important numbers. So getting a scan can be helpful, but. But I think everybody should know their hemoglobin A1C. Everybody should know their vitamin D level. Everybody should know their bmi. Everybody should know their testosterone level, you know, males and females. And I think you've seen probably the same thing I've had. I've seen with this epidemic of low testosterone in young men. And I think part of that is the poisoning of America. Joe Pizzorno has this great book I love called the Toxin Solution. That we're just living in toxic soup. But if you know what your brain looks like, then you can. If it's great, you celebrate. And if it's not great, you rehabilitate. And I think much of your work, much of the way you have helped the world, which I'm just so proud of, you came out of your own pain.

Oh, absolutely.

You know, that's. Tanner often talks about pain to purpose. And, you know, the millions of people you've helped is just so cool to me.

Thank you, Daniel. And credit where credit is due. Yeah, I've done a lot of personal development and other health work, but it was literally sitting down, looking at the results of my spec scan that let me know, oh, I can fix it, because I was really starting to feel like there was nowhere else to go. I couldn't push any harder. So you were that little spark at just the right time, or your work was right when I needed to go. Oh, like there's another path here. And part of that ties in with your new book. With Change youe Mind. You talk about the seven lies of happiness. Can you tell me a couple of the lies of happiness?

I love that name that more. If I have more of something, I'll be happier. More becomes something that you can never satisfy. Don't worry, be happy. That if I was less anxious, I would be happier. The research actually says people who have low levels of anxiety die the earliest from accidents and preventable illnesses. So I think of anxiety on a scale of 0 to 10. And our goal is not to get you to 0. Our goal is to get you to about 3. So your anxiety helps keep you making good decisions so that you're a bit worried. Alcohol will make you happy. 24 hours later, you'll be withdrawing from it and. And you'll want it again that it's a trap. I don't know if you know, but the American Cancer Society last year came out against any alcohol because any alcohol increases the risk of seven different kinds of cancer. And, you know, drinking a disinfectant just doesn't make any sense to me. So those are a couple I think of from my book, you Happier, which was just such a fun book for me to write. I loved that book and included parts of it and change your brain every day.

It's funny because just getting it down to seven lies, I was stuck on the I'll be happy when kind of lie earlier. Earlier in my 20s. I'll be happy when I Have, you know, wealth. And then I made $6 million, and I looked at a friend and said, oh, I'll be happy when I have 10. And then I lost it all anyway. But like, that mindset, it's. It's. They're all lies about that. I'll be happy when. If you had one piece of advice you could give to someone to increase their happiness, just one thing out of all of your knowledge, what makes people happiest the fastest?

It's noticing on what you like more than what you don't like. And I have one daily exercise in the book that I love so much. And I do it every day before I go to bed. I say a prayer, and then I go, what went well today? And I start at the beginning of my day searching. So now it's a treasure hunt on what were the coolest things that happened that day. And I focus on them right before I go to sleep, which sets my dreams up to be happier. So this conversation is going to show up tonight. If you do that consistently, predictably, within three weeks, your level of happiness goes way up. It's not the thoughts you have that make you suffer. It's the thoughts you attach to that make you suffer. And if you can train your mind. I love Paul Simon so much, but I love his song Kodachrome. It starts off with, when I think back and all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can think it all. And there's nowhere in school where school teaches you to manage your mind. Nowhere. And that's insane, right? I had to take English 12 times. I took math probably 16 times. And they're important. Brain health and mind health more important.

What do you think of the cafeteria food they're feeding kids in schools these days?

Yeah, it's an evil ruler strategy. It's poison. I mean, you know, and, you know, not just cafeteria food. It's hospital food and it's food at church. I did this program with Rick Warren called the Daniel Plan, and the Daniel Plan came out of me. Me going to my church here in Newport beach and watching the hot dogs, the donuts, the ice cream festival. And I'm like, these bastards are trying to kill me. I'm going to get my soul fed. These people are trying to kill me. That's bad for them and it's bad for me.

So basically, it was the devil's hot dog at church.

The devil was alive and well in the food they served. Well.

I've been getting requests. My kids are teenagers and they go to A good school that has okay food but they use bad oils. Almost all schools will poison kids brains with cheap and widely available seed oils. And most schools now have some kind of a gluten free option. But sometimes they're saying oh well, for the picky people let's make a vegan and, and gluten free food which is always highly processed, not edible food that really I wouldn't feed like to actually to my pigs as a pig farmer. It would make the meat inedible. And so you're saying okay, let's not do that. So especially the athletic teenagers who'll reach out to me and I'm giving them advice which is you need to bring your own source of protein to school because you just cannot get a quality protein. They're trying to feed you crickets and soybeans and telling you that it's healthy when it's full of carbs. Carbs and it's deep fried processed food balls and things like that. So you kind of have to do that and that's assuming it's within your budget or your parents going to support you on it. And sometimes it's possible. So sometimes it's a protein powder or it's a good quality protein bar and that you either supplement or replace the worst things on the menu and keep the best ones. And it shouldn't be like that. That's what schools are for, is to nourish our children's minds. And that includes what's on their plates. But right now it's just life lowering costs.

Well, you know, there's a quote from Byron, Katie I love so much argue with reality. Welcome to hell. And the reality is they are not to serve your health. The reality is they're trying to get away with spending the least amount of money possible so they can make their budgets. If you have children and you can send them to school with nourishing food that has adequate amounts of protein and healthy fat, that's the best I think you can do. I adopted my two nieces because their parents couldn't stop using drugs and we have been eating a very low carbohydrate diet. And, and I just. She's 18 now and I'd love to see how she chooses what she eats and she finds things she loves, that loves her back and that's the mindset, that's the right mindset. What foods do I love that love me too because you're in a relationship with food and I don't know if you've ever been in a bad relationship. I certainly have. And I'm not doing anymore married to my best friend, and I'm damn sure not doing it with food. Right. We have to just think of our relationship with the planet, but also the foods we eat.

Eat and what, what beautiful words. And, and it, it, it's very hard to take all of your 40 years of, of experience and, you know, all the 40 books you've written and try to boil them down so that they can just easily be digested. So someone who's new to this and saying, you mean I can control my brain? I can change my brain? Actually. Yeah, you can. And you're. It's neat because as you, I'm going to say, attain a certain level of mastery and wisdom just as a, as an author, as a writer, and as a clinician, a psychiatrist to be able to structure it. So it's just one little thing every day. It's kind of like taking amino acids versus taking a full protein. You have to digest. So it's already kind of pre digested and it can just go in. And I think you did a really fabulous job in this book and it, it's very, very absorbable. So thank you as always for your books and your work. It's profoundly affected my life, Daniel, and I'm so honored to be on your board of directors and to be able to support the Amen clinics and all the incredible science you're doing. And if, I don't know if you probably get like me, sent more books than you can actually read. But in Game Changers, my book about what people do to change the world, there's one of the rules is based on an example from you. And in the book I just talk about overcoming critics and adversity and things like that. And how when you started out talking about how, you know, well, you should look at the brain if you're going to treat it. And they're like, how dare you. And to this day, despite like overwhelming evidence, you still see the occasional troll who comes out and says something about you. Same thing I get. There's people who still say, oh, pseudoscience, do people lost millions of pounds on my program. And like now we're talking about all like, okay, whatever, right? So there's always going to be haters. And my question for you to kind of, kind of end the episode is what do you do when some kind of hater comes after you and ignores all the work you've done and just kind of meaninglessly attacks you? What's your practice to stay present and happy?

Well, it's always been the stories. It used to really bother me and, and I still don't like it. It's still irritating. But ultimately in, in 1995, so early on, my nine year old nephew attacked a little girl on the baseball field and was drawing pictures of himself shooting other people and hanging from a tree. I mean, he was just a mess. And I scanned him and we found he had a cyst the size of a golf ball occupying the space of his left temporal lobe. And when the neurosurgeon drained the cyst, his behavior completely went back to normal. So now the war against my colleagues and not looking at the brain was personal. And I, I always remember that story and you know, many other stories when people criticize me, it's like, come on, how do you know unless you look, stop lying about this. And that keep has kept me strong during some of the dark times.

It's funny when, when people especially the calories in, calories out, people, you know, come after me or say that it can't work and I'm like, here's a cup of coffee with butter and MCT oil. You drink that and you tell me how you feel and all of a sudden like something's going on here and all of a sudd flip. You ever like take the reporters or like the attention grabbing people who are coming after you saying, why don't you come in for a brain scan so we can see why you're so angry.

Sometime? You know, I remember and I don't know if you know my friend Ned Hollowell. So we're at a meeting together and, and he's the sweetest guy, but he was such an ass that day. And in front of like 50 people he goes, and why would I ever order a brain scan? And I went, so you stop guessing and you'd be a better doctor. And if you had any balls, rather than criticize me, you'd come to the clinic and get scanned. And so this was in front of 50 people. And he said, I'll do that, and then ended up sending people to me. So sometimes you just have to call out stupid.

Well, I stand ready to help you call out stupid anytime it raises its ugly, malnourished head. And we can always feed stupid well enough that it becomes smart. And I think we're, we're both working on that in our own way. And thank you so much for your work. Your new book is worthy, at least based on my opinion. Guys, it's change your brain and it's absolutely worth your time.

Awesome. Thanks, my friend.

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