In this conversation, Jewels Arnes and Dave Asprey explore how people can recognize when they are being triggered and deliberately shift into a chosen persona rather than reacting automatically. Jewels describes creating a "badass" persona she names Francine (and mentions her companion Maude) that she steps into when she feels a trigger, noting that this shift is not a chemical reaction but a conscious mode change. They discuss the distinction between multiple personality disorder and purposeful persona channeling, emphasizing that everyone has a protective part that can be accessed with awareness. Jewels explains that experienced meditators can sense the body's pre‑reactive state and choose to move back to a centered place, using empathy, compassion, and ultimately equanimity to select their emotional state instead of being selected by it. The dialogue highlights practical techniques for pre‑emptively creating personas, the role of meditation in detecting triggers, and how this spiritual work underpins Jewels' work with BioQuantum, all framed within a conversational, informal tone.
When's the last time you got triggered?
Actually, it wasn't that long ago. For me, being triggered feels like bringing out my badass. And I say that word, and. And I. And I have a Persona that I step into when I need to be a badass.
Does she have a name? No.
I should give her one. I know she does. For right now, I'll just call her my badass.
I want to what her name be. Just channel it real quick.
Okay. Francine.
All right, Francine.
I can't be too serious about it. It has to.
Her and her friend Maude, they're very dangerous.
All right, so Francine. I'll step into Francine and. But it's like, there's not a chemical reaction in it. It's more of a Persona. I hope that makes sense. So my body knows, oh, we're going into the badass mode. And I pretty much sound the same every single time when I'm in badass mode. I'm sure you're gonna do this with your conversation. Like, you already know that there's gonna be a certain part of you that's gonna come out if you were to be triggered. But then if we have that awareness ahead of time, we can kind of create that Persona and let the frequency of the Persona that's more organic. Because it's maybe not organic. Maybe it's more attuned.
So you're talking about, like, multiple personality.
Disorder or just being able to channel Persona. I love that, but you know what I mean? Aren't we all, like, at least this way, we're choosing it with awareness. We're choosing it with awareness and using it to stay centered.
We all have the protector in us. It's just whether you chose it or it was triggered.
Exactly, exactly. And I feel like we all. I think for us that have practiced and then those that are practicing, you can tell when your body's about to go into a chemical reaction. And so in that moment, there's choice. Right. Well, I can either fully let this take over me, and then it's going to alter the way that I think, and I'm probably going to react, or I can actually move back into my center, calm that down, and then have the choice of, oh, okay, well, this is triggering me for a reason. What can I bring, like, what Persona can I bring in to step into from a place of awareness and not from the trigger? And so that's what I kind of play in. And it's. I'm not perfect, but by any means. But I do enjoy playing with it.
I love that answer. And it's from someone who has mastered meditation. I teach about equanimity. First you have empathy, and then you have compassion. And then eventually you have equanimity, which means you get to choose your state instead of the state getting chosen for you, when you can do that stuff. Well, now you guys understand something about the person behind Bio Quantum, that a lot of spiritual work goes there. You're listening to the human upgrade with Dave Asprey.
