Does Food Really Have a Vibration? Robyn Openshaw

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Today's episode is pretty interesting. You're going to want to listen through to the end because we talk about vibration, which is something that can be completely Woo woo. I definitely hold our guest on this episode accountable for what can we measure, what can we not measure?

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But we talk about a whole bunch of different things that can increase your energy in your life however you decide to measure it. So we get into some science here, we get into some best practices and I think you've got a lot to learn from this. So listen through to the end and let me know what you think by leaving a review on itunes. You're listening to Bulletproof Radio with Dave Asprey. Today's cool fact of the day is that scientists in Denmark recently published some new research that showed that certain bacteria in your gut play a much more decisive role in regulating your weight than we ever understood before. Which means that something as simple as a little poop sample might be able to tell you what nutrition is going to work best for your body and your gut biome and what's going to change there. And that can be profoundly interesting, especially when you consider the way you eat changes which bacteria in your gut. And. And so this new research just adds even more evidence to the fact that I'm really excited about Viome. You've heard the episode with Naveen Jain who came on and talked about this new way to see what's going on inside your gut, including fungal things that aren't accounted for even in this research out of Denmark, as well as viruses and phages and all sorts of stuff. So if you're interested in learning more about your gut, which definitely can influence weight loss and what you should be putting in your mouth, you can go to viomev I O M e dot com. You can use code bulletproof and they do something nice for you. I think they might give you a copy one of my books or something. I'm not even sure. But anyway, go to Viome if you're interested in getting a good picture of what's going on in your gut. I'm an advisor to the company and I haven't been this excited about a new diagnostic or a new kind of test or just more information about this than I have since the days of quantified self. And this new research from Denmark just kind of adds one more data point to that. And before we get into today's show, something amazing is here and I'm going to see if I can pick it up with one hand. It Is the new Bulletproof coffee cold brew ready to drink? In fact, I'm holding four of them. If you're watching on YouTube, you can go to bulletproof.com YouTube if you want to get a link to the channel that has this show. But I'm holding these things up. These are shelf stable, meaning you can keep them in your purse, in your briefcase, in your workout bag, in your car, wherever, and they will not spoil. They don't have to be refrigerated, but they're good when they're chilled. We've got mocha, we've got original, we've got vanilla, and we've gone with collagen. So if you don't have time to make bulletproof, you want to replace a snack with something that's going to leave you full for hours and feeling amazing. These taste really good and they've got only good stuff in them. So that's Bulletproof cold brew ready to drink. You can pick them up on bulletproof.com we'll ship them to you. I believe there's free shipping right now. Double check on the site for that, depending on where you are in the world. And you'll find that these are amazing cold brew and they of course have the lab tested beans, brain octane oil and grass fed butter. So bulletproof.com for the bulletproof cold brew ready to drink. Today's guest on the show is a former psychotherapist, a university professor, a successful author and creator of the popular site greensmoothiegirl.com. she's based in Utah where she's a competitive tennis player. And she just wrote a new book that I enjoyed that's called Unlock the Energetic Frequencies of Limitless Health, Love and Success. And she's on the show today to talk about this notion of vibration. So we can see, all right, how much science is here, how much sort of let's all say kumbaya is here because there is real vibration that happens in our bodies. And it's always a challenge to tie the scientific vibrations to behavioral vibrations and what's an emotion or a sensation and what's not. So Robin Openjaw is here today to share her knowledge and what she learned in her research over the last couple years writing this book. Robin, welcome to the show.

Thanks, James. So nice to be here.

It's always a little bit risky for an author to go out there and write about vibrational frequencies because you'll see people out there saying, look, if you, you know where my organic corn pendant, your vibration is going to change like it, it can get really mushy really quickly. What led you from sort of the field of nutrition into this idea of vibration? Like, like what's the definition of vibration the way you're using it in your book?

You know, years ago I tripped on this quote by Einstein that said everything in life is vibration. And later, not much later, I ran into a quote by Nikola Tesla, who I'm a bit of a Tesla. And Tesla said, and I believe that the world wasn't ready to hear this at the time when Einstein and Tesla were discovering these amazing things. And Tesla said, if you want the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. And I put that next to the Einstein quote. And then I started looking at quantum physics and how all of the quantum theory has bled into biology. And there are fields that, that have completely changed as a result of discovering that, for instance, we are electron exchanging. And right now you have influence over other people. And it's really sobering to think about, think about how we're actually electron exchanging across the planet. This has been super well documented at this point. And we can go two woos. We can go woo woo, or we can stay just in the one woo. And as committed to science as you are, Dave, I'll just stay in the one woo. I mean, we could talk about how this is what. I actually got that quote from Simon and Schuster when they signed on to publish my book. They said, now keep it to one woo. Okay.

That's the risk when you go into quantum physics is that quantum biology is a real field that is studied in universities and most people aren't even aware of it. But what's going on inside our mitochondria, the way they're making energy, they're using quantum effects. We finally figured that out. We figured out that mitochondria are semiconductive and they do have these fields. But even when you say like we're exchanging electrons with things across the planet, you already kind of tricked my thing. And we exchange energy, but are we actually really trading electrons with other beings? How are we doing that?

Yeah, that's a lot of what quantum physics actually discovered literally decades ago, is that. And this is why we're so interconnected. It's one of the reasons why we've discovered how interconnected we are is that things aren't as mechanistic as we thought. I mean, we know we have this atom and we have electrons and protons and nucleus, but we didn't know as recently as 30 years ago how big that radius is of those electrons. And we didn't understand how we need to discharge dirty energies. I loved your show with Joe Mercola talking about emf, which is a big research subject and interest of mine. But we're exchanging energies in a lot of ways that we didn't understand when we were only looking at Newton's models. So if we go back to, if we take a look at how quantum physics and biology have not yet come into the space of nutrition and wellness. And what my book Vibe does is take a look at what we can do that's really practical and takes a look at foods energies that has nothing to do with calories. Calories is a construct that was discovered in 1848. It's pretty much outlived its usefulness in so many ways. And so when, when I, when I tripped on these two concepts, I wanted to know what the secrets of the universe were. When I, when I read if you want the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. I thought, why do I know so little about this? We actually know more about it than we think. If you take a look at medicine, for instance, a lot of the diagnostics in medicine are using vibrational frequency. The eeg, the E, E, C, G. We can measure brainwaves. These are frequencies. So I'm just putting some roots in the idea that energies, or understanding that everything is made up of energies and that Newton's physics weren't wrong, they were just limited, actually has applications in medicine. Your friend, Dr. Oz, I know you were just out there filming with him, has said that energy medicine is the next wave in, in western medicine and it's very, very infiltrated there. What I got frustrated with because I've written all these nutrition books and I'm always looking for what else don't I know is that somehow we're still living in Newton's physics when it comes to nutrition. There is a vibrational frequency associated with every single food. I'm actually doing some research with a PhD scientist named Beverly Rubik. And I can talk to you if you want, about some of the ways that we measure vibrational frequency and what these energies are. And we could talk about some principles of quantum physics that have everything to do with whether we're healthy and whether we're happy that can guide us in what foods that we eat. They'll be a lot more helpful than counting calories and worrying about grams of proteins, fats and carbs, which is not necessarily serving Americans very well. But let me tell you really fast about heartmath Institute. Some things that they do that will give you a sense of how real this woo stuff is, is that you and I could be sitting in a room, Dave, with our backs to each other. So we're not looking at each other and we are not talking to each other. And you're hooked up to an EEG and I'm hooked up to an ecg and you are instructed to think loving, kind, grateful thoughts. And that will actually register on my EEG without you saying a word or without us looking at each other. And so this makes intuition and a lot of these energy gifts that we talk about that sound really squishy, like you said, quite quantifiable. There's also some Great research by HeartMath where you are asked to sit and think about something that makes you angry and they chart your brain waves and then they have you think about things that you're grateful for and they chart your brainwaves. And what's really interesting is that those frequencies as they register on paper look like what they feel like, right? Like which would you rather experience? Would you rather sit in anger or would you rather sit in gratitude and love?

Well, I mean, it depends. You know, anger could be a source of energy, right?

Yep. Well, and it can fuel you to action. We need it sometimes, Right.

I was just saying that to try and make you mad, but it didn't work. So I've been an Advisor to the HeartMath Institute since 2008. I'm on their advisory board and I was just at Burning man and they had a big installation there where they would get like eight people to sit in chairs. And when they were all in the same state, that gratitude state you're talking about, they'd get a really strong feedback tone that would light up an art piece, which is kind of cool. So there's definitely very provable science that says we can influence other people. And I don't to the original question. I don't think that we're actually trading electrons with them unless we're touching them or kissing them or something. Membranes are good for electron exchange because they're wet. But we are definitely exchanging field information with people. And the hard math people talk about this torus shaped like donut shaped field around the heart, tipped at 8 degrees to the left. And unquestionably, if especially someone who's trained like a meditator or just someone who's in touch with that stuff can walk into a room and change the room. But likewise someone who has a powerful field around their heart, but one that's chaotic because they're full of old trauma or just they're pissed off. They can walk into a room and change energy in the room for the negative. And that's one of the reasons that I just fundamentally believe that it's not okay to sit in a boardroom or a PTA meeting or at dinner with your family and act one way and feel another way. Because your internal state is projected and received by other things in the world around you. Whether or not you're smiling and saying the right things, people know that you're pissed off. And we know it viscerally and deep down. And that is a form of electromagnetic and that's actually more magnetic vibration. So there's definitely science like you're talking about in your book around that very specifically, and talk a little bit more about the quantum biology aspect of vibration. How would you measure vibration, say of a food? Are you eating a food and seeing what it does on an eeg or what it does to your heart rate variability? Like how do you know that a food's vibrating? Because when I eat them, they're usually not. Unless it's Jello.

Yeah, well, there, you know, there are energy fields in and around us. And like you were referring to, we have an energy field, it goes, it goes further than we thought. But you're talking about this energy field that's about 8, 8ft around us is our electromagnetic field. But there's a guy, he is deceased now, and I'm going to take measuring electromagnetics further than he did, but his name's Bruce Taino, he's out of University of Washington. And the reason I talk about his research is that he measured a lot of common things because he measured it in Hertz. And so our electrical energies, we are electrical beings. That's why when we go out in the sun, we feel amazing. We need to charge, we need to discharge and ground, and we feel better when we do, especially in this crazy world where we're just surrounded by all these electronics, like you talked about with Dr. Mercola. But he measured things in electrical energy of Hertz. And so we recognize that as a unit of measure. So bear with me, I'm going to share a couple of statistics from Taino's research where he measured in Hertz, which we're familiar with. If we had some basic high school science classes. And before I tell you this, like, if you're listening to this interview and you remember one thing, maybe a couple things, this would be one of the ones to remember. This is a principle of Quantum physics, that's really simple, anyone can understand. And here it is said a substance of a higher frequency can cause a substance of a lower frequency to increase. And this is really powerful. If we think about the fact that you, with your show and you've had something like 40 something million downloads, you're impacting people's energies one direction or the other. Whether you're helping them into higher vibrations or lower, you're absolutely impacting their energies, whether it's electron exchange or if it's other forms of changing people's frequencies. You know, if you take that principle of quantum physics, I'm going to say it again. A substance of a higher frequency can cause a substance of a lower frequency to increase. And then let's take a look at.

Isn't the opposite also true? You take hot water and put it with cold water. Well, they. The cold water gets warmer, the hot water gets colder. So it's sort of like moving to the average, right?

Yes. And so then the opposite, the corollary is absolutely true too is a substance of a lower frequency can cause a substance of a higher frequency to decrease. And this is, you know, I'm going to talk about food for a minute, but just so we don't, so we don't fail to bring this up, you mentioned how people have incongruent energies and what's coming out of their mouth is different than how they actually feel and think. And we know it. We know it. We. Especially if you. We have a quiz to tell you if you're an intuitive, an empath, a highly sensitive person, an energy healer. And we know it, we sense it. Our intuition tells us this person is not connecting with us. You've probably walked into a room before. I know you to be an empath. I have seen you sense energies before. We've all been. If we have developed our energy sensations, we've walked into a room and there's two people in the room and they're not looking at each other or talking to each other, but we know that something really intense just happened between them. Right. You can feel it and sense it. It's almost like there's a charge there. And they might have just had a big fight. They might have just had sex. Those are two of the highest energy exchange forms that we have. But you may also.

Is that why makeup sex is so good?

Yes, it's part of it. You're resolving energies. Right. Like you're joking. But I'm serious. I'm serious. Yeah. So. So you know, it's shifting energies the other direction. And so we've probably also like been at a conference or some networking or work event where we, we meet someone and we can't get away from them fast enough. You know, we almost like rock back on our heels when we meet them. And it's not that they're bad people, it's that there's a dissonant frequency there. You know, like notes on the piano are sound frequencies. And if you play the black and white note that are right next to each other, we don't like that. Right. Like no composer ends a piece on dissonant frequencies. And so you've had the opposite experience too, where you meet someone at an event of some kind and maybe you've only interacted with them for 30 seconds, or maybe you haven't even interacted with them and it's almost like they're pulling you across the room, you are seeking them out. You spend a minute with them and you're figuring out when you can spend time with them again. Those are resonant frequencies. Those are just simpatico frequencies. So let's talk about food with regard to that very specific principle, which is a substance of a higher frequency can cause a substance of a lower frequency to increase.

I totally get that point. But how do you measure frequency of a food?

Before I tell you a few measurements in Hertz, including what healthy people are, I want you to know that I have just commissioned a study with Dr. Beverly Rubik, and we're going to be measuring people before and after they eat specific foods. Maybe we should get some bulletproof coffee for that. And also the foods themselves with two different ways. One is with biophotonic emissions. And so you're actually measuring the weak light that emanates from living things. Well, actually dead things too. I mean, if you take a tiny piece of, you know, chicken breast and put it under a high powered microscope, you don't, you don't see nothing. You don't see no movement. It is in motion, otherwise it wouldn't decompose and become, become something else. But we're going to measure with biophotonic emissions. And the reason I want to do that, rather than just measure everything in Hertz, which there's actually data already out there about that, is that it makes pretty pictures.

So Hertz is basically number of times per second something happens, Right. So you can jump up and down three times a second. That's 3 hertz, which is different than 3 hertz sound wave. Right?

Right.

Like so they're different things. It's Just number of times per second. But what is it that's happening at X number of hertz times per second? Like, do we.

Well, this is just. This is just one way to look at some of our energies, because we have electrical energies, we have magnetic energies, we have electromagnetic energies, we have energies that nobody has actually quantified yet, but we can. We can measure the effects of those energies, but there's no names for it. There's. It's an energetic world, and there's so much we don't know. But Beverly Rubik also has this really expensive Russian technology that uses gas chromatography. And I want to do some research with that because, again, it becomes really visual. And so those are some of the ways that you can measure energies. I want to go back to Hertz.

Okay, so just let's touch briefly on the biophotonic stuff, because I think a lot of people listening probably don't know what a biophoton is. And it's ridiculously cool that if you go back, like 25, 30 years ago, there's something called curlyan photography, which people said, oh, that's a bunch of bs. You have someone put their hand or a leaf on film for a long period of time, and then you see, like a ghost image. And they kind of said, oh, that's all bs. Now, though, with new CCD cameras, the kind of cameras that we're actually using to record this, for instance, we actually have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, published in biomedical journals of substantial repute, that your body and leaves and all sorts of things actually do put out photons. We know even this was a big shock. We know your DNA actually makes photons. Photons are individual particles of light. We know that your mitochondria make a lot more of this, and the bacteria in your gut make about 5,000 times more of what's essentially bioluminescence, these little glowing things. But it happens so infrequently and at such small doses that you don't see it unless you have very advanced technology for it. So there's good science that says, all right, you can measure that. In fact, you can even predict things like cancer by looking at biophoton emissions. And who would have ever thought that? And if that sounds like that's three levels of woo, actually, no, that's established medical science. It's just stuff you haven't heard of. You don't believe me, go to PubMed. That stuff is legit. But let's get back to Hertz, because I still want to Know, what are we measuring with? Hertz?

Yeah, so Taino took a lot of different healthy people who didn't have any known disease states, and he measured them all between 62 to 68 hertz of energy. And so if you write another thing down or remember another thing that I tell you, remember that is that a healthy human being ranged between 62 and 68 Hertz of energy.

Was that like brain waves or was that like a magnetic pulsation? Was that like the sound of their voice? Like, I'm still stuck on what is a hertz.

Well, you could actually measure specific organs as well. And so he measured genius human brains in the, the mid 80 hertz. Okay, so I'm sure that you would have brain, brain energy of 85 hertz.

Well, that would be like a, a high gamma state. Like, Gamma's usually around 60. But I'm, I, I'm still. I guess I'm kind of wondering, like, is that the same hertz that we use with lettuce?

Well, you know, he. Tyno's dead now. And so if you, if he were alive, I would have lots of, of questions for him about his research. But. And there's so little, there's really so little done. But it's really well documented that you can measure energies. I wish we had a Fitbit. I want to eventually have a Fitbit so that we can all know what happens to our energies when we eat this, when we think this, when we don't metabolize a negative emotion like fear or anger.

And that I would agree. There's many different ways to measure energy. And the people who do this best originally were out of Ayurveda and Tibetan medicine and Chinese medicine or even some of the shamanic practices. They put their fingers on your pulse and some of the qigong practices. These are people who use their body and their developed nervous system to feel what's going on with someone else. Now, we can measure those fields with a variety of equipment. You can do magnetic, you can do electrical. And one of the things that stands out in my memory, almost 20 years ago, I went to this coffee shop in Mountain View, California, called Red Rock Coffee that I used to frequent. I lived down there. And I met with the guy who holds the first patent on 802.11 B, which is basically the first WI fi on the planet. And this guy already back then was kind of the grizzled engineer sort of look. And he said, dave. And this was maybe, I don't know, five, ten years after the stuff was released. So he had become wealthy. And he said, dave, I've been using the million dollar test equipment we use to monitor WI FI networks. And I turned it around on my body. And he turns his laptop around, he goes, look at all this data that's coming off my body. I think we can use this to diagnose disease. Look at these. It was actually like a map of the chakras he had mapped using gear for WI fi. And so this stuff is real. And there's, there's an $800 book from the former president of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, which is one of the top 10 medical schools out there, was published in 1983 that basically said everything in the body is electrical, which means therefore you can measure the frequency of electricity in a variety of ways. And basically after he published this book with extreme details, it was a full on medical textbook. I had a hard time with parts of it because it just went so far into cellular biology where especially when I read this a few years ago, I was like, wow. And he actually lost his position at the Karolinsk Institute for saying this. And he wrote the book at the end of his career because he knew it would happen. He was like, hey, I've been doing this for a long time. Here's what's going on. And when he lost his position, he was like, I was going to retire anyway. Here you go. Now it's out there. So I just want people listening to understand there's a lot going on that we've known in small pockets for thousands of years or for decades, or especially in the last 10 years. And I think you've pulled a lot of it together in your book, which is kind of cool, but also just making it actionable because knowing this is happening versus knowing what to do with it. And everyone listening knows, like today I have a lot more energy than I had before. And how you measure that energy, like there's dozens of ways, but the Russians and the former East Germans and now just Germany in general have been the leaders in a lot of these weird things where you bring it to us, like what, hold copper coils, but they're getting a signal and there is a signal there. And the question is, what do we do with it? So I want to know, in your work about looking at all these different frequencies and just ways to measure and improve energy in the body, okay, I want more energy. What do I do?

Yeah, and there are so many things. And as a former therapist, you know, I feel like just like nutrition is missing, studies you know, quantum theory, so has therapy, so has psychotherapy, so has psychology and psychiatry. And how we are dealing with our negative emotions is part of it. We could talk about that. We could talk about foods. Let me, let me tell you. So 62 to 68 Hertz was a healthy human being. Taino measured people with a massive candida overgrowth, where there's just a ton of yeast in the body that is getting all the attention of a lot of the energy systems would be in the low 50s. That's how much lower a human being can go ahead.

Sorry to interrupt there, Robin. I'm guessing that what he was doing there is he was looking at the micro current across the skin. This is probably a galvanic skin response, like copper coils, sorts of things, because that would make sense then.

Yeah, he called it the BT3 scanning system. And it was definitely looking at the whole organism's energies. And so that's probably some kind of aggregate of our, of all of our energies. Because, you know, he could tell you, he could also ascertain, you know, the level of energy of your liver. And you can imagine how if you build your liver out of higher vibration materials, since the liver serves you in over 500 different ways, like, what would that do for how you look and for how you feel? He measured, he measured people with Epstein Barr in the 50s, 50s Hertz. Remember, a healthy human, 62 to 68. He measured end stage, very near death cancer patients at 25 hertz. So clearly there's some kind of correlation there between, you know, specific high frequency states and health. And the opposite of that is the sicker we get, the lower we get. And he discovered that plant foods, and I'm not here to, you know, you know, I don't really like to talk about vegetarian, vegan, or any of the isms or diets, but he discovered that plants raise our vibration because they are of higher vibrational frequencies, many of them, than, than a human being is. And processed foods, this won't surprise you, are extremely low frequency foods. So yeah, then there's, then there's the fact that we can measure what happens to a person when, like I said, they are in the high vibration emotions. And that sounds like what all the woo woo people talk about. It sounds like people talk about high vibes and we roll our eyes and we think that they're just channeling the Beach Boys or they, or they don't know what they're talking about. It's just like this kind of cool new agey talk, but it's Actually real. And we can't measure a thought and we can't measure a feeling because it only exists if we're feeling it. But, but when. Gratitude is the highest measured frequency in terms of what happens to you when you are sitting in gratitude, thinking about your kids, thinking about your partner, thinking about people you love, thinking about the things in your life you're grateful for. Nothing touches it. And I think that's really exciting because we can choose that, we can choose to spend 10 seconds in gratitude. That's an actionable, that's, that's something that we take people through. In the book, there's a quiz to identify all the high vibration states. How much are you actually experiencing those in your daily life? And here are the low vibration states. Feeling frustrated and stuck, Angry, anxiety, rage, you know, anger, rage. These are, we know this innately. We know these are low vibration emotions. And then I take people through a 90 second process where instead of getting stuck in anger, frustration, resentments, lack of forgiveness, you at 40 years of Zen. I'm going to be there at 40 years of Zen in December, super excited about that. The lack of forgiveness is about as low vibration as you can get. And that's an energy that people tend to get stuck. So, you know, it's really exciting to think that we can alter our energies. And those are some of the things that we work on is those emotional energies and staying in the higher ones more often. We should be outside in contact with Earth every day. We're literally dropping, you know, millions of electrons onto the Earth and picking up antioxidants. The Earth itself has been measured at 528 Hz, the core of the Earth. There are people like, these are pretty woo, pretty triple woo here. But Leonard Horowitz measures, you know, vibrations of a lot of different things to help us achieve them. And so that's the point, so we achieve more of them.

Got it. And I, I just looked at the BT3 patent and because maybe I'm stuck on this because I'm a computer science engineering guy, but what we're talking about is measuring the phase and oscillation of the electromagnetic frequency from the body or from a biological material. And so if people are saying, well, there's no science whatever, it's woo. No, there's a patent, it's an old one, but you can look it up on Google patent search, which I just did.

I love that you looked that up.

Well, hey, I am nothing if not a geek.

It's called the BT3 monitoring system.

Yep. And it's Actually patented. And what they were looking to do is what a lot of the tech out of Germany and Russia does, which is, okay, what's the. What electromagnetics are coming off the body. And when we look at electromagnetic frequencies that come off, the very subtle ones, but ones that are real, that come off of foods, especially living foods or fresh foods, they can be cooked and still have an electromagnetic frequency. And then look at what the interaction interplay between those is. And that's pretty cool. And undoubtedly, and I know this because we see it on EEG signals all the time at 40 years of Zen, the food you put in your body, the supplements you put in your body, can change your brain states. They can change the electromagnetic frequencies. And we use pulsed electromagnetic frequencies to change the brain. And certainly the brain can make its own pulsed, actually more the heart than the brain, but they can both make pemf that changes your biology as well as that of things around you. So there's definitely legitimacy to this kind of stuff. And when someone goes through and changes and forgives something or changes the way their body unconsciously resonates in response to an environmental stimuli. Well, if you believe what's in your book and you believe what we're talking about right now, which is that, okay, it's plausible that the stuff going on below your consciousness in your body can have an impact on the world around you. And if you don't believe that, we can show you with an electromagnetic meter, if you don't believe that, it's because you're a skeptic and you do some forgiveness or something, someone tried to trick you in third grade and you're still stuck on that. So deal with it. Don't be a science troll. And then after that, okay, is it conceivable that when you change the way your visceral tissues respond to an environmental stimulus, that it would change the signal that comes off your body? And what you've written in your book is that, well, that's actually what happens. And I think it's fair to say that we don't necessarily know the mechanisms between forgiveness or letting go of an old trauma or healing something every step. Between that and things changing, I don't think we know all that, but we can say your heart rate variability will change. And we can measure that on the skin or away from the body. And we can also show your brain waves change. So then an inner thought pattern changes, a vibrational pattern. The vibrational pattern changes the way you interact with the world around you. But the flip side of that, which Is where we're going is okay, if you believe that there's a frequency in food. And if you don't believe that, well, look at the patent for the BT3 and there's a whole bunch of other work around that sort of stuff. And yeah, some of it is in the woo spectrum. All new inventions are always woo until they become self evident to everyone. And then, oh look, no, I invented that. I thought last month you didn't like that. Anyway, what happens there is there's some interaction going on. And your book is one of the early books looking all right. What do you do about that? So now you talk about these foods that are higher vibration foods. Certainly if you ask someone from any of the systems of acupuncture or Ayurveda or Chinese medicine, they would already tell you, yeah, some foods have different vibrations. And heck, I've had a doctor in LA tell me, Dave, you need to eat chicken, but it can only be black chicken. I'm like what? He goes, yeah, there's black skinned chickens. You need to eat a male black skinned chicken that has a different vibration. I actually never found a male black skinned chicken. But hey, maybe he was just completely full of crap, but he was going on thousands of years of what they've noticed. I'm not going to say we know everything. I doubt you or I collectively, if we stuck our brains together, know everything. But we do know enough to say there's steps you can take now that can increase your vibration. So all right, I'm sure by now people are going, maybe this is bs, maybe not. I'll tell you, I don't think it is. But what are the foods or other things Forgiveness you mentioned, we both agree on that. But especially foods that could increase the body's vibration.

Do you want to know what the class of foods is that has the highest vibration?

We all know it's bacon.

Come on, you'll be surprised. Yeah, we, we want it to be butter and bacon. Right? Is fruit, Fruit actually is the highest vibration. That was the surprise to me. I thought it'd be greens, but greens are the second highest.

It makes sense because if you are going to have babies, you look at in humans, what humans have the highest vibration is babies. And it's because fruit is plant babies. That doesn't mean that they don't have other things like tons of sugar and other things in them that are interesting. So I'm, I'm definitely interested in and where you're going with that. So any kind of fruit more impactful than others?

I actually am going to take this into my research with Dr. Rubik because I don't have enough data on enough foods, but there's definitely some inferences you can make about classes of foods. But, you know, even if we did stay back in the old calorie a way of looking at things and counting grams of macronutrients, there's a lot of alignment there. Like, we know we feel good when we eat.