IG live with Dr. Harry Adelson

What's up, Instagram? How about we talk stem cells with a friend of mine, Dr. Harry Adelson from Docera Medical, who's done a huge amount of work on me. I'm going to invite him in. We're going to learn some stuff about stem cells. I've had a huge amount of upgrades that way. So if you want to know what's going on there, I'm going to make it worth your time. There he is, Harry. Look at that. He just pops right in. Harry, my friend, good to see you.

Nice to see you.

You're going to be speaking at the biohacking conference on the 8th, by the way. Guys, go to biohackingconference.com and I want to do an IG live with you to just catch up on what's the latest stem cell stuff going on? Because, well, lots of fans on here, lots of people saying hi. And if they've read my books and all, they know I've had stem cells pretty much everywhere you can put them, including some places you can't put on Instagram without getting banned. What have you been doing that's new? Here's a question about type 1 diabetes stem cells. Tell me the latest.

Well, there's stuff we've been doing that's sort of more of the same, and then there's stuff that. Stuff that's coming down the pipe that's absolutely new. So we're doing a ton of full body, and we actually just did three. Amy Killen and I just did three in three days. And I'm sorry that she couldn't join us, but she had to run off. She's taking a. She's taking a class on blockchain. What a stud, huh?

So anyway, that's awesome.

I know she had to take off so she couldn't join.

Okay, well, I support the blockchain as well. And pretty soon they'll probably be someone making a stem coin, which is somehow related to stem cells. Couple people who don't know what stem cells are, who are probably new followers. So these are basically parts of your body that are naturally present more when you're younger that grow and they stop inflammation. They actually can help you make new parts of your body. And. And what Harry does is he takes some from some places and puts them in other places so that you can have a body that's younger and stronger than it's supposed to be.

Yeah, because, you know, our body's comprised of cells, and we have heart cells and we have liver cells, and we have lung cells. We have muscle cells, we have brain cells. And then we have these other. Those are all cells, organs. But then we have other cells that exist throughout our entire bodies, like our red blood cells and our white blood cells. And of the white blood cells, there's different categories. And then we have these stem cells, we have these mesenchymal stem cells. And mesenchymal stem cells exist in virtually every tissue in our body. And their role is to. Is to maintain the health of their microenvironment. So whenever you have type of injury at all, these cells activate and have the ability to interact and communicate with the surrounding cells. They launch the healing cascade, essentially. So whenever you have healing after injury, it's a stem cell mediated event. Well, what I started doing 10 years ago, after I was doing, I had done regenerative injection therapy and PRP for 10 years, I learned how to aspirate bone marrow. And bone marrow is a very rich source of these mesenchymal stem cells. And when you take these stem cells from tissues like bone marrow fat, and you inject them into an area that's undergone suboptimal healing, the tissue either from, like, chronic use or from an injury that's never completely healed, the microenvironment is unhealthy. There's the collagen fibers are irregular. The microcirculation. Well, if you inject these mesenchymal stem cells, Tricking the body into thinking that you've endured a new injury, but you haven't, and it thereby launches the healing cascade, Giving you a chance at healing without having actually been injured.

Here's a question from Dale Myers here. He's like, why not use placental cells? Why using your own cells? That's in some of the books, But I think for people listening, okay, you could get stem cells either for anti aging or because you have an injury that won't heal, or your brain isn't working right, there's all sorts of reasons to do it. So, okay, why, you know, what should people think about there?

There's a couple of reasons. I just personally don't really want somebody else's genetic material. We don't really know the long term. Yeah, don't know. I found that using stem cells from your own body for treating musculoskeletal pain, low back pain, neck pain, joint pain, works very well. Now, I do supplement with exosomes. And exosomes are the growth factors from placental stem cells. So you're getting sort of the active ingredient, placental stem cells. But these exosomes, which is a cellular fragment have been separated from the cells. So you're not actually taking in the other person's.

There's something powerful. If you're dealing with a really a disease that could kill you, saying, all right, it's worth the risk of getting eight different people's placental cells. Right. But if you're dealing with long term anti aging, I'm a little sketched out because there's all sorts of viruses and other stuff that we probably don't even know about and certainly aren't screening for. So I like the idea of taking my own stem cells. And you've tapped into my bone marrow twice. Once without any. I was awake the whole time and certainly gotten my fat cells and all that. And I only passed out once. But it wasn't because it hurt. It was just kind of weird. Three times you've gotten three times. Oh, okay. I only remember two of them. I guess I was passed out for the other one. But so you take those out and you put them where they need to go. And guys, just full disclosure. There's videos on Harry's site, on my site and all. I've had my stem cells, Harry took them out and I've had them put in my face. My hair. Look at this amazing hair. I've had other stuff done to my head, but also in my reproductive organs, for lack of a more fruitful term. And every joint in my body all along my spine. And it's pretty incredible. Just the long term rejuvenating things compared to getting joint replacements or in my case, I had some injuries even from sports when I was a teenager that hadn't all the way fixed themselves and it really, really made a big difference. So yeah, it's relatively expensive now, but compared to most of the medical procedures you get, it's not relatively expensive. It's cheaper than getting a knee replacement, for instance.

Yeah, it's. It's about hair. You know, the. What you're describing there, Dave, is full body stem cell makeover which I developed for you. And so the way that was cool out was from, you know like 2014, busted up cowboys, ranchers, farmers and oil fill workers a lot from western Canada, a bunch from Wyoming. These people who really have arthritis, higher body, big treatments. I do their entire spine, every level, shoulders, both knees. And I sort of started calling full body stem cell makeover. Well then you became a patient and I started follow her and people, well, can't you just prevent single. And I thought about it and I thought, yeah, good. So we came up with It. You were the first oed.

I was the guinea pig, of course. Look at me. It worked. No one knows I'm 80. Your audio's cutting out. I thought it was just me, so you might need to get close to your thing. Apparently your sound is having an issue. Sorry, guys. On the wrapper sounds, I was. I was actually getting a prop. I'm going to show you guys this prop in a second when I ask him a question.

Yeah. What were we talking? Whole body.

Yeah, whole body. Stem cell makeover.

Yeah. So that's, you know, and what we do for that is we do sort of my traditional kitchen sink approach, which is stem cells from your bone marrow combined with stem cells from your fat, then supplemented with the placental exosomes. And so what we think happens is we take your old stem cells, supplement them with the exosomes. We think. We think your own stem cells absorb those exosomes into themselves, thereby functionally making your stem cell that of a younger person. What's. When we started this conversation, you asked me what's new and exciting, and it's V cell.

Yep.

Hot new thing. And I'm. I've been. I've heard about it for about a year. And then it was so funny because I said, I have got to learn how to do this. I've got to get up and going with it. And. And then you called me and said, I've got a guy. Dr. Todd Okavi. Let's see if I can pronounce it. Okay. Ovocates.

Yep.

And he's developed a way to activate V cells. So what are V cells? Vsel. Very.

They're not V cells. Everyone thinks this. I see a comment from KJ Greenway there. It's vsel. It's not V dash cell because it stands for something. Tell them what it stands for.

Very small embryonic, like stem cells. So these V cells, these very small embryonic, like stem cells, they're. They're called very small because they're actually smaller than a red blood cell. They exist in our peripheral blood, but they're quiescent, meaning they're just basically hibernating or asleep. But when they get activated, they are the most primitive stem cell in the human body. They're called embryonic, like, because if you, you know, the embryonic stem cells, which we don't use are the most primitive. And then the mesenchymal stem cells are kind of down here, while the very small embryonic. The V cells are kind of in between. Right. They're very primitive. They're so primitive that they actually do have the ability to, to differentiate into target tissue cells. So while stem cells from bone marrow, from fat, even from umbilical cord, those don't have the ability to actually turn into joint surfaces, for instance, or bone or ligament. Well, the V cells do. The other thing that's amazing about these V cells is they're the only cell in the body that does not experience telomere shortening. So they're just the same age as they were you were born. And more than that, they excrete telomerase. So they actually lengthen the telomeres of the cells that they come into contact with.

So, guys, do you understand how important this is? I'm sitting here, I'm going to lift at least 180. Harry's one of the guys on my team who helps me do that. And what that means is that these things that are floating around your blood, you take them out using a specialized technique, you activate them using another technique, and then you can put them where you want them. And the body's like, oh, look, I got baby cells. They're going to make tissues. This is kind of more important than sticking a chip in your head with neuralink or something like that. Take your existing hardware, make it work better, make it regenerate itself so you don't have to reprint a robotic heart, just regrow your own heart. That's how big of a deal this is. So this is the ability to hack at a new level. And what Harry's been doing, I think there's still use for it, the bone marrow and things like that. There's growth factors and all in there. But adding V cells in is another level of power that's really happening. I touched on this in Superhuman, but that came out two years ago. So what I think we're going to see is you're going to see an explosion in your practice. Talk about the. There's several people asking the whole body, stem cell makeover guys, this is the cost of a nice car because you're spending three doctors and four hours, like you're unconscious. Like, they go and they do everything. It's like a whole system reboot kind of thing. But you can do stem cells. Like what's kind of an entry level for stem cells?

Well, you know, like, like we just said, we did three of these in three days. And we really can only, you know, we only can do. Sometimes we can do two if we really push ourselves. We usually just do one a day because like you said, it's four Hours of solid work. But me, you know, a bunch of people running around doing a bunch of stuff. So there's, there's a couple of different levels. There's, there's the, there's the two hands. Full body stem cell makeover, which is my two hands. And that's all the orthopedic stuff that's injecting the entire length of the spine, turning over both shoulders, both elbows, both wrists and thumbs. Both hips, both knees, both ankles and great toes. That's the two hands. Forehands, which is what I did these last three days with Amy Killen. That's where Amy works with me. So it's my two hands plus her two hands. I do my orthopedic musculoskeletal injections and she does the skin of the face to improve elasticity and hydration. She does the scalp to thicken the hair follicles. And in men she does the penis. And women she does the vagina to improve sexual function. In men, it's primarily to increase microcirculation. In women, women, it's to increase elasticity and hydration.

It's ridiculous what stem cells do in the reproductive areas. I definitely noticed a difference. And you can pair it with some shockwave therapy that actually changes size and things like that. But in women, you know, Kaylani's had a couple of kids and she's a medical doctor. Is my wife. It was a week later. It's like, this is not the same vagina that I'm used to or that she was used to. I mean, it was a really big change. And sort of stuff like how do you talk about that politely? I don't really know. But I can tell you that having her own stem cells injected there, where you pulled the stem cells out, she hadn't done. Her neck was way more mobile. I mean, it was a really big thing. And so there's questions about accessibility. Your insurance company should be paying for this because it is better than the stuff that's much more expensive and harder to do later. Most insurance companies don't pay now, although it's probably possible. But what you can do in the US is you have health spending accounts where you can save money. That's pre tax. You can do that. And here's someone who said a knee injury and surgery and two days later, a traumatic brain injury at 75 miles an hour. I can use some stem cells. That's exactly right. You can put them in intravenously. They go throughout the body. I've had a traumatic brain injury. I Took a knee to the head at Burning man that, well, it was worth it. I was doing the Thunderdome thing and I couldn't remember stuff like I couldn't play Go Fish and I was swearing all the time. I sent a, an angry email to Tim Ferriss that he didn't deserve. And I apologize for it later when I got my brain back. So what the stem cells do is they go and they find inflammation in the body, they stick to it and then they secrete healing factors and it gets better. But when you take the, the V cells, they go and they can actually make new cells, which is different. And so they're, they're complimentary, which is kind of cool.

Yeah.

Now I had a question for you Harry. And the reason I was making noise earlier, sorry, it was too close to the mic. I have here a little bit of you guys know what that. Can you guess what that is? Everyone's gonna think lsd. I was gonna say this is actually nicotine. It's a nicotine patch. So is nicotine good for stem cells or bad for stem cells? Because I think I'm gonna use some for cognitive enhancement. Anti aging.

I, I do not know the answer. I don't wanna.

You're the man.

I have a very addictive personality.

Dave, you drink coffee, Come on, I've seen you, I've seen you drink six gallons of coffee. You're not addicted. That's just normal.

That's paining.

So KJ is saying in the UK you don't have access to stem cells. You might be surprised because V cells are treated like platelet rich plasma because they're just blood. See, this is a big thing. So from a regulatory perspective, it's going to be increasingly difficult for governments who have no right to block you from any treatment. By the way, any government says you're not allowed to get this treatment. Seriously, that is a totalitarian garbage way of behaving. Like you have a fundamental right to control your own biology. And if you want to remove your left arm because you think it makes you look cool, it's your right to do it even though it's stupid. See, being allowed to make bad decisions is part of freedom.

Right?

And being able to make good decisions as part of freedom. So when a government says you can't get stem cells, it's like, oh, so you don't work for me, Right? Then we have a problem with the government. So I'm gonna be straight up forward. It is your fundamental right to choose your treatment and no government has the right to Say you don't get to have that. Cause we don't think it's safe. Well, I didn't ask you. Right. And that's how the world works.

Yeah, it's very interesting with this, with this, these V cell, with this vlog, because as you said, you know, with fat, the big issue we have with fat is you take the fat and then you have to put it through a pretty lengthy process. You have to actually enzymatically digest the fat in order to separate the stem cells from the fat cells. And that's where the FDA is saying, oh, stem fat are a drug and a non FDA approved drug, therefore practitioners need to stop using it. Well, that, that case is being litigated. Currently that lawsuit is happening between the FDA and my friend Mark Berman. I think Mark has a really good chance of winning his case. But the, the issue there, it's the, it's the manipulation of the tissue because you have to take the fat with them.

With V. Sorry, it's my fat. I can do anything I want to it and then I can put it in my coffee. If I'm stupid. I can inject. It's my fat. They don't get to say what I do with it. My fat. Anyone who thinks they do that, it's like, sorry, like, I also own your house. And if I said that, you'd be like, I don't, Dave, you don't own my house. But I'm sorry, I do. Right, Sorry. One of us is living in reality of one of us is not. And I can tell you right now, it's my cells. And if you think you're going to get my cells, you could buy them from me. But they're not for sale. Right. And that anyone, like, there's just no way a government can do that and still have credibility as a government. So I think if the US Continues to limit our right to medical freedom, there's going to be a lot of new people in office, a whole lot of new people. In fact, I predict over the next couple of years there's going to be a lot of people who get their asses kicked out because they destroyed most small businesses because they were doing something even if it didn't work. That's a different issue, but it's tied to the same thing. Our control of our own biology. It's a big deal. Now, I've seen some questions here from people. One is about repairing nerve damage. One is about whether they've seen anything with autism. I know what you treat is specifically orthopedic things. Even my wife, who's an emergency room doctor, she saw your needle placement, she's like, wow, his needle placement is amazing. When you were putting the needles along my vertebra. But what have you seen in literature? What do you know about nerve damage or autism or brain stuff with stem cells?

Well, autism is primarily a disease of inflammation and there's really no more powerful anti inflammatory than stem cells. Stem cells excrete cytokines that down regulate the inflammatory response. So you know, I don't, I don't treat autism at all. Like you said, I just, I'm low. Back pain, neck pain.

Yep.

But when I visited the Stem Cell Institute in Panama, one of the main things, one of the number one most common things that they treat there is autism. And it's because, and they believe that it's because of the strong anti inflammatory properties. When I was there, I met this couple from Colorado who had triplets. Imagine this, they had triplets. Severely autistic, all three of them, like violent behaviors. And I mean what, you know, as a dad, like just, it's heart wrenching. But they had done a number of treatments with the Stem Cell Institute and they said with a, with these stem cell treatments that all of the violent behavior in the kids, like they were still autistic but the violent behavior stopped and so their quality of life skyrocketed as a result of that.

So anytime you're treating systemic inflammation, you're going to be doing better off. And the cool thing about stem cells and the new B cells that Harry's working on with Dr. Todd, these are things that go through and they, they're like snipers. They're finding the inflamed sites and they stick to them. And like, here's some healing factors. Here's some healing factors. Here's some healing factors. So what is Alzheimer's? What is autism? They're all related. It's neurological inflammation which leads to neurological damage. And in the case of autism, it's usually autoimmune. The immune system is attacking parts of the brain, especially during development. So then the best analogy I've seen is imagine that you were like a frog in a blender, but not getting blooded. But every now and then your face gets pressed against the side and you can see out. But the rest of them, it's just like swirling, whatever smoothie mix around you and then you can see for a second. So in autistic brain, by the way, I had Asperger's syndrome. So I was on the spectrum. I don't Anymore. But you don't get enough sensory input because there's just too much noise in the brain. And it's because of inflammation. And it's usually autoimmune, and it's always neurological. What's the cause? There is no one cause of inflammation. There's many causes. And that's why the Western approach to autism, there's no cure. Well, that's because there were five causes, and you just had to. They add up, they stack up. What's the cause of aging? It's not one thing. There's seven pillars in my last book. They stack up. So then if you can fix mitochondria or you can reduce inflammation, what you're getting is everything gets better. And stem cells are one of those fundamental foundational technologies that all of us should have access to through our insurance companies, because it's not that hard to do this at scale. And if we do this, everything gets better. And then you need less drugs and you need less trips to the doctor, and you feel better. And most importantly, your brain works better. And when your brain works better, you're nicer to other people. Right. So this would be pretty much the way we want to do it. There's cloudy compost pie. Asperger's is awesome, actually. It has its upsides. I recognize patterns better than the average. Than the aver. Average person, for sure. I still have that. But the social interaction stuff, I'm relatively normal now. At least that's what everyone tells me. And if they don't tell me, I just punch them and then they tell me. So. Okay, sorry. I went back to my Asperger's. So, Harry, when people come to see you like I did, if they're doing a knee or a single joint and all, that's what, a couple hour procedure?

Yeah, that's right.

Okay. And if you're doing the whole body stem cell thing like I did, that's pretty much most of the day. And then the next day or two, you're chilling out and recovering and all that.

It's a huge commitment because taking a half a liter of. So you know, there's quite a bit of blood loss. So people are pretty pretty out of it. You know, we very strongly rec. People, basically, we demand that they go straight back to their hotel, have someone with them and recuperate.

All I wanted was steak. It was weird. After I had my treatment with you, I literally was craving bone marrow, which is not something I crave. I like bone marrow on steak, but my body was like, eat bone marrow. So I went to a restaurant like, do you have any bone marrow? And you can actually get bones that are split with roasted bone marrow. So I had like giant grass fed steak and I was like, regenerate, regenerate. So I listened to my body and I ate so much steak. It was so good.

Yeah, so it's a huge commitment. But it's something, you know, it's not something you do every year. It's something you do. Something, something that like people often say, well, Dave Asprey said he's going to do it every six months. No, not quite.

No, I would never do. That would be not enough recovery. I would do this like every several years. But would I do an IV stem cell every six months?

Yeah, but that's what you said they, you said you would do IV stem cells every six months. But I think people misinterpreted it, that.

This is a substantial procedure. I mean, it's four hours of people doing all kinds of work. I don't think that would be medically even if I could afford it, I don't think that would be medically the right thing to do. I mean, if someone.

You wouldn't want to do such a big bone marrow aspiration so frequently. I mean, I think this large blood draw has a therapeutic effect itself because it's essentially therapeutic phlebotomy. You're losing a bunch of red blood cells growing, you know, essentially making new ones which are softer and more pliable and better viscosity and the whole thing. But you know, theoretically, every time you remove the stem cells from the bone marrow and they have to, they have to self replicate, then the telomeres are a little bit. So if you do it over and over and over, you're theoretically shortening your telomeres. Do it once every five years, especially once we start incorporating the V cell, which is going to have the reverse effect. It's to, going, going to lengthen the telomeres. I think, I think that's huge addition to my kitchen sink approach. Bone marrow stem cells plus fat stem cells plus placental exosomes, plus the very small embryonic like stem cells which are taken from the blood. And what's amazing is the other method that I had that I was going to learn how to do involvement and thawing the blood because that you stress out the blood to activate these. It's very time, six hours to do this. Well, Dr. Todd, he's come up with a laser because he's an md, He's a, you know, John Hopkins pulmonologist. But also a physicist and he's developed a laser to activate these V cells. Use the laser to activate the V cells and inject them into the body and, and then immediately follow the injection with pointing the laser right at the place you've injected.

That. Yeah, that is a really interesting thing to be able to guide them. So I think you guys are all going to see, you're all going to see that the ability to do this becomes much more commonplace over the next five years. But you're one of the first people out here, Harry, who's going to have access to this technique. And I know Dr. Todd as well and I'm helping him out here be production most cutting edge work and connect them all if they're not already connected. And as you know, there's a tribe of probably a few hundred really strong medical innovators and we're all sharing stuff behind the scenes and talking with each other and all working to bring the future into the present.