The Secret to Staying DANGEROUS After 50 : 1422

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And he's— he was actually very pro-peptide, very friendly. And so is Bobby Kennedy. So this is interesting. If you'd asked me 5 years ago, is it ever likely that the FDA would be in favor of peptides? I would have said unlikely. In fact, the only thing more unlikely is that I would be interviewing the head of the FDA. So there's been a change in leadership. That doesn't mean that every One of the tens of thousands of FDA employees is a fan of these things because they do compete with pharma and sometimes they are pharma products. And our experts today are coming back on the show. We have Josh Felber and Jay Campbell, and these are some of the smartest guys in the space. I've worked with Josh for years at one of his previous companies, and he also runs a big podcast called Making Bank and just a serial entrepreneur in the health space. Who's very passionate about peptides. And then Jay Campbell, who is one of the— I was going to like, like fist bump, high five, grab legs. It's just far enough away that it's awkward. So Jay, you've seen him online and he's one of the OG peptide guys. And I've been using peptides for about 15 years. I wrote a lot about them, including the Russian bioregulator peptides in my big longevity book. And I've just enjoyed the slow awareness in society of peptides. But anytime that happens, you get people who are really not experts in the space, and then they're creating, you know, these products from China that might work but aren't really tested. So there's a lot of safety problems. So I thought, let's bring in a couple of guys who really know what's up and let's talk about two things. One, peptides 101 for you. And the other one is like, what's— what are the things no one knows about yet? Because that's why you listen to the show anyway. So guys, welcome to the show. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks for having us. Appreciate it. Now, first question, are you guys in a choir together?

We did. We did. We did coordinate this morning. Black or white?

Yeah, I mean, it's like black. Yeah, I did shave my head recently. It might have looked funny too, we all in black. Then we'd have been—

for blue, though, and mine are like black. I'm wearing black and what you— good deal.

So we have a good range of colors here. Yeah. Oh, man. So many questions I want to ask. First, sneak preview of some of the new products. Oh, yeah. And I'm, I'm really stoked on those. We're going to talk about those. First one, though, for listeners who maybe have heard of peptides, but they don't really know what they are. This is going to be a big challenge for you, Jay. Can you tell me what peptides are in plain English?

Of course. They're just basically organic signaling molecules. You know, I like to call them fractionated. Proteins or chains of amino acids. And as you were talking about bioregulators, right, like the shorter the chain, the more likely you can orally ingest it. The longer the chain, it has to be injected, right? Injectable peptides, for people who are new to this, are the highest impact delivery system for two reasons. One, they cross the blood-brain barrier the fastest. And two, they get into portal or parenteral circulation the fastest. So systemically, they're delivered that way. But as you know, there are many different delivery systems. And the cool thing is You know, we happen to work with some of the companies that are delivering new technologies. One of them is a Velcro patch, which you will be seeing very soon. Right now they can deliver about 10 different peptides, but when they can get to like 80 little tiny micron needles, all peptides will be able and it'll just go on like, wow. Yeah. So no more, oh my God, I'm scared shitless of needles. I can't inject myself.

Which is, by the way, 80% of the public. You know, one of the things that's changed my life in the last year is And for many years I've been taking little insulin syringes and you draw the right dose and you put a little sticker on there and then you inject. I kind of inject the top of my butt because I have a lot of extra skin there from when I was fat. Yeah, it makes it easy. Yeah, it's, it's like one of those things. The honey badgers use a stick, stick it in there and they're tiny needles. But I bought a peptide pen. Yeah, greatest thing of all. 10 of them. Exactly. So explain what a peptide pen is and why people who use peptides might want to switch.

So I have a cooler. He probably does too. A little insulin cooler that I carry around with me all over the world that has literally 10 pens in it, right? So like every peptide that I use, and they're basically just like you said, the best way for most people to understand is they're like insulin pens, right? So people that are familiar with insulin syringes or little insulin autoinjectors, they now have these for peptide pens. And so you can basically, like you said, instead of reconstituting in a vial, you can now put— most of the pens are 3 milliliters, so you can put almost half a vial, a vial and a half into your pen. Carry your pen around and all you have to do is switch the top of the little, you know, call it ready-ject needle and inject it on the go all the time. And they're, like you said, they're tiny needles. So you can inject— my wife injects GHK-C in her face, like right over here. So doesn't it? No, it doesn't, because she's using a 2mm micron needle, so you can't feel it. But yeah, they are to me a revolution in peptide usage because all the people like us in the know who use peptides are carrying pens around now.

So, so what it looks like is a Sharpie. Yeah. And instead of filling your, your little vial of peptides with sterile water and then drawing each time, you just take all of the thing and you put it in a new little vial and it goes inside the pen and you just dial the back of the pen to the dose you want. So it's a little numbered thing and then you can't feel the needle going. You just stick it in. It's much less waste and it's, it's just an easier way to get them in. Although I'd rather do a patch. Yeah, it's 3.

So it's a 3-milliliter. Most pens are 3 milliliters. So for most people, depending on what you're using it for and you're not critically injured or acutely injured, you can get about 4 to 6 weeks with each pen, you know, before you have to refill it. And they, they make international travel, right? It's amazing, right? Because now you don't have to carry vials and syringes and all that stuff, bacterial water. You just carry the pen in a cooler. Yep.

And the, the TSA guys don't even know what pens are. So that's probably good. No, actually, that's not true. There's a lot of TSA guys who listen to the show. I was just saying they probably know what it is. They'll take it. We're always chatting. I go through, go through security. Okay. Yeah, you should do that peptide. It's kind of cool. All right. So that's a new delivery system. And I'm going to restate what you were saying in even plainer English, like I would on Dr. Oz or something. But basically steak or eggs, those are big proteins. Yep. And all proteins are made out of basically amino acids. So think of those as letters in the alphabet. Exactly. And if you were to take 3 letters and make the or if or and or but, those are little peptides, right? And they're words. Or you could have one that's more like superstition. Ooh, that's a big fancy word. And that's a longer chain peptide. So you'd have to inject the peptide that's longer chain because you would digest it otherwise. But the very short ones, like GHK. Exactly. Or someone like BPC-157. You can just take those orally because they're so small the body doesn't try to digest them. They just soak in through your gut lining. Wow.

You really know about peptides, bro. Unlike 95% of the influencers on the internet, you know, that's a popular thing these days.

It's that— that's, that's the issue, right? And, you know, I love seeing people talk about peptides, but I do have concerns. Yeah. One of the biggest concerns is that someone's going to say, well, we have to regulate all these things. And bottom line is, anytime someone says they're going to control access to your ability to control your biology, they're probably not working for your best interest. Exactly. All right. So we should be allowed to do stupid things like go downhill skiing. I mean, you might hit a tree, right? Exactly. Oh, no. How, how risky are peptides? Sure. Actually, we just kind of went through this a little bit back in December, that potential of having all of the peptides wiped out, you know, unavailable from, you know, direct access. But I mean, from a safety perspective, I mean, it's just like taking a vitamin B capsule or anything else. You know, they're the worst case you do is you might get the runs if you took way too much, like a whole vial of something, right? Yeah. But from a health standpoint, it's not going to affect you.

And so I've been using peptides for 24 years, literally since 2003, and I've never seen a single person OD. Now, obviously, if we talk about GLPs, which are a recent phenomenon, the last 4 years, 5 years, there are complete buffoons who inject way too much and don't eat for 2 weeks, right? And they may become constipated, they may have gallbladder issues, pancreatic issues, etc. But that is just from overdosing way supraphysiologic levels that don't even apply to a normal person. So as Josh said, I mean, the risk is so nominal. And again, they're organic signaling molecules.

And I mean, Okay. You guys do sell peptides, right? BioLongevity, you know, U.S.-manufactured, high-quality stuff and things that I actually use. That said, insulin is a peptide. Exactly. You can OD on insulin. It'll kill you. Yep. Right. And yep. You ever OD on PT-141? No, but if you do, you're probably going to have to go to the hospital for priapism. Well, and nausea. So, so what I would say here is don't go nuts with your, your peptide usage. You actually want to get good advice. And what's really unfortunate in the US right now is you can go to most even well-educated functional doctors, even if they're peptide aware, you can say, I want to try this new peptide and they're not allowed to tell you to do it because it's not standard of care. There isn't enough, enough research. Right. So a few of them will say, well, you can kind of use this. I can't sell it to you. Right. You might be able to do it and it might have these effects on your on your molecules, but I can't professionally recommend it. Right. Yeah. So I would just say practice caution. And if you go to ChatGPT and you've told it the right thing so that it won't act like an idiot, it'll give you decent advice. But what you want to do is take that advice and then put it into Claude and just say, shoot holes in this advice. Right. And so make sure you get at least two AIs if you're going to try to do that. Or I think you have something.

What does Jay Campbell say about this peptide?

Yeah, Jay's AI character. Yeah. Do you have an AI out there? That's— I do. Okay. What is it?

Just custom-built one.

I mean, is it one that— JBot. The JBot? Can everyone use that? Yeah. Yeah. How do you use it?

Just go to the website, jcampbell.com.

jcampbell.com. All right. And get the JBot. Yeah.

I mean, but as you know, AI, we play the game with it all the time between Claude, Perplexity, Grok, and ChatGPT. And you get 6 different answers from the same question, right? So, yeah, very buyer beware. Be very concerned that you're not, you know, getting bad information because there's a lot of bad information for sure.

But now we're going to break the third wall. I'm going to ask this next one and I want like a— this for a soundbite. So you got to give me the punchline first and then give me the details after. Okay. Okay. Everyone's into mitochondria these days. What is SS-71 peptide? 31. But I say you said 71.

Actually say elamma pre-tide because they'll come after us now. You can't say—

Yeah, really? Yeah. They literally FDA approved it.

Called a Lama Pretide now. Okay.

That's a mouthful. Oh, Lama Pretide. All right. Fixing your mitochondria. There's a peptide that is exceptionally powerful. What is it? How does it work?

It's called a Lama Pretide, formerly SS31. And I call it the amplifier peptide because what it does is it improves signaling and cellular cascades. So, everything that you're doing, whether you're on therapeutic hormones, whether you're living insulin-controlled, whether you're taking this supplement, that supplement, it improves and amplifies everything that you're doing. So, it's honestly one of the most profound peptides I think of in existence.

You might have heard me talk about mitochondria just once or twice. I might 3 times. My hypothesis has been since the late '90s that these are foundational to longevity and cognitive performance and health. And the more research has come out over the last 15 years, everything comes down ultimately to mitochondria. And you might say, no, it's my hormones. I'm like, Who do you think makes the power production to make your hormones? A fixed mitochondria. All sorts of crazy improvements happen throughout the system. Yep. And in the mitochondria, there's a membrane, which just means it's tiny droplets of fat, and it contains a compound called cardiolipin. What is SS— sorry, what is olamapretide? Olama what?

So it strengthens the cardiolipin. So it strengthens the actual, the fattiest acid membranes around the cellular walls. So cardiolipin being very powerful in extending life, you know, is the stronger the cardiolipin or the more you produce, the more amplified and charged your card— your mitochondria will be. So SS31 is actually improving, call it the mitochondrial density of all those connective tissues, right? Or, you know, it's really just cellular signaling, but it's an incredible peptide. I mean, I've been using it personally for 4 years myself, like right when it first came out. And I think what we're seeing now, especially in the clinical space, is they're actually using it in much higher doses in people that are critically injured, which is incredible because I've always just used it as a very small microdose. Like, on the weekends, if I was taking, like, you know, MitoCharge or one of the awesome mitochondrial supplements, I would take SS31 on Saturday and Sunday. But now a lot of the clinical literature, at least in the people working in functional health, are seeing taking 4, 5, 6 milligrams a day of this and dramatically improving again, all of the cell signaling and processes that people who are critically injured, autoimmune impaired. So it's an amazing peptide for that. But like for us, Life Extension people, I think it's something that you actually have to have in a pen that you carry around with you at all times.

I'm running 20 milligrams a day for 6 weeks. Wow, that's awesome.

That's— what do you notice when you take it? Do you feel cellular charge?

Just, just starting it. I've never felt a big boost from it. Yeah. And it's it's more foundational. Yeah. Right? And then, if you want the boost, you use MOTC, which is another peptide. Tell me about MOTC. So, we actually—

it's funny you just mentioned that. So, we actually have a blend at Bio Longevity Labs that has MOTC, NAD+, and 5-Amino injectable. And, I took that this morning. And that, for people like us, is noticeable. And, what I mean by that is that within 30 minutes of taking it, you have energy. Right. Wow. So it's a very, very powerful blend. But MOTC is, you know, just call it another mitochondrial regulator, super optimizer. I mean, it basically enhances NAD+ or not NAD+, but just increases ATP synthase. And you have more, you know, ATP, NAD+, cellular signaling. For heavy people who are, you know, obviously not mitochondria optimized, they notice a much better response with MOTC than people like us. Now, not to say that it doesn't help us, But the heavier, more insulin-resistant, more metabolically deranged a person is, a high dose of MOTC really turns the mitochondria on and really gives them that cellular energy. In fact, people that use MOTC who are normally like not energized or just don't have the energy to train or exercise, when they start using MOTC, they have that energy. They want to start doing it. So it's also a very powerful peptide.

For our, our high-end longevity clients at Unlimited Life who are into these sorts of things, I usually recommend that you run for a couple months. Yeah, 8 weeks. Yeah. That you do the Olama— Olama Pre-Tide. I was supposed to say SS31, dude. Yeah, anyway, they changed the name. Olama Pre-Tide? Yeah. All right. SS31. So I just say that do that for a couple months, especially if you're heavy or struggling or if your mitochondria aren't working because you want, you want the engine in good shape before you turbocharge it. And Mott sees the turbocharger Yep. And the other question, a lot of the functional docs I've worked with are not recommending blending peptides together because of cross-linking. What's your take on that? Is there research? Have you done it? Yeah.

So, so, so it's a good— it's a good point because a lot of people are talking about it. I won't mention an influencer who talks about this a lot.

I don't even know who that is. I don't know anything. That's why we're doctors.

He's like my arch nemesis or enemy. But probably true. In truth, the studies show that if you put, you know, 3 separate substances and you let them sit there and they're not actually blended from a standpoint of like injecting, could they render one of the other substances inert? Yes. Technically, theoretically, yes. But in practice and real application, like in people who have been using these blends for a long time, everybody who uses them seems to say that they still work. And, you know, Brian Moscow, our chief science officer, you know, just did a gigantic thread on Instagram about this and looking at the data, looking at the studies. And the truth is, is that if they are doing any kind of cross-chain linking or rendering one substance inert after a time, it's not affecting the efficacy of the peptides in a blend. And I'm specifically talking about Glow and Clo, right? Which is GHK-Cu. What is it? KPV and then TB-500 and BPC. And then that's, that's obviously Glow and I'm sorry, that's Clo. And then Glow is just GHK-Cu, TB-500, and BPC-157. Again, people who have been using these products for years, you know, all rave about them, right? So like, if that's true, then why would be people getting results in the marketplace? So I say, you know, be cautious. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater when you hear stuff like that, because nobody from a chemical standpoint or a formulation standpoint would have ever put those blends in to mix together if that was really happening. So yeah, maybe over time, if you leave it in your refrigerator for 6 months, it may one may become less efficacious than the other, but it's not ruining all of the blend.

Well, even with our— we've sent them out for testing. We do all of our series. We have them. We redo the test in 3 to 6 months and they're still stable. Yeah. Oh, they're still stable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's always a little dip because it's sitting in a fridge in a liquid.

And by the way, I've had really smart biochemical engineers because, as you know, I've been in the space for a long time, say that because this is a question people ask, like, hey, I reconstituted my peptide, it's sitting in my fridge. At what point does it lose efficacy? And the smartest people that I know who have, you know, answered this question for me always say that over time it loses some efficacy, but it never goes below a certain amount as long as it's not exposed to obviously incandescent, you know, high-grade light or temperature variance. Right. So if you keep it in the fridge. So my guess is, and again, this is from other people who are way smarter than me, they say it goes down to about 76 to 78% of efficacy from right when you opened it, which was 99.9%. Okay. Right. So what does that mean? It means if you had it in your refrigerator for 6 months, you need to use more. Okay.

Because it's not the same. This is really important. So there's perfection versus getting it done. Exactly. And choice 1, inject 3 different times, throw away 3 different needles and deal with all that. Exactly. Or have 1 vial inject and maybe it's 10 or 15% less, less efficacious. But because you actually injected because you want to avoid exactly sticks. Exactly. So convenience is actually something that's under— undervalued in literature and in medicine because I've had times where there's 10 peptide vials and I have, you know, a box of needles. Exactly. And some days you wake up and you're like, I just don't feel like sticking myself 10 times. Yeah. You know, it takes time and energy. Pens make it easier. Blends make it even easier. And if the data you're showing is well backed up and it sounds like it is, yeah, then okay, fine. So you have some mix. What would happen though, if I just took all the peptides I like and I just mixed them all together in a sterile vial and then had one, one pen to rule them all?

Yeah. So that's when you're going to have cross-chain linking. Like I always say, use peptides that are for the same application, right? So it's like Tessa and Ipa, Ipa, CJC, growth hormone agonist peptides together, healing peptides together. Now again, that's not to say that if you separated the injections and injected them in different parts of your body over a 24-hour period or even a 12-hour period, that you still wouldn't have efficacy. But I kind of look at it as the bleeding neck syndrome, right? Like, what is your biggest issue? Focus on that first. You know, then people will say, but Jay, I'm— and I sprained my ankle, right? So okay, well then take your BPC and TB-500 6 hours later after you use your, you know, mitochondrial or your GH agonist peptides. But I don't think— and again, this is from an application standpoint— I don't think anyone should be thinking about, you know, the shiny object syndrome. Oh my God, this peptide, that peptide, this peptide, I want to use them all together. Don't do that. Focus on what is the biggest thing that is in your life right now. Solve that and then process accordingly.

That is the most profound advice. And it's true with supplements. Exactly. Like, pick a goal, do everything to meet the goal at the same time, and then, oh look, now I got my energy back, or whatever your goal was, and then move on to the next one. Exactly. And the fearful, or I'm afraid that I might do something that, that wasn't helpful, that perspective. You mean Peter Attia's audience? Oh, he's afraid of a lot of things. But yeah, I never met a longevity doctor who said you can't extend human life. But hey, have you ever seen him with his shirt off, by the way? I couldn't unsee that. Dave, by the way, as a guy who weighs 300 pounds, I have extra skin. You've seen me with my shirt off, so I'm not judging.

You look amazing. But I mean, no, but it's crazy because like there's been, you know, somebody posted on Instagram, you probably saw it. I mean, by the way, great job on going after him. But there was a post somebody did just like a week ago about like, oh, he's this great longevity doctor. And people were like, I think this is Bad timing.

I mean, aside from all the Epstein stuff, which is, which is gaslighting at the highest quality, it's just terrible stuff. But the idea that, that you can go out there and say hormone replacement therapy isn't safe, take statins, get vaccinated, and still have— like, how do people think that's longevity? I don't know. It's weird. It's insane, bro.

So good. I'm glad that you took a stand on it because I've been saying— I've been going after him for you. Him and I have been fighting for years too. But when I saw that, I was like, really awesome that you did that.

Yeah, I've been talking about just a failure of his longevity advice for a long time. Yeah, exactly. In fact, at a longevity conference full of doctors, someone said, what's the biggest risk to the longevity movement? And I said, fake longevity doctors like Peter Attia. Exactly. Like, it's true. Misleading the public. 100%.

And he always has. You're right. It's not just because he's in the Epstein files. He's always been wrong. Yeah.

Literally always wrong. Yeah. In fact, maybe I should launch a book like the Anti-Attia Diet. No doubt. Just do the opposite of what he's—

Look at who would pay that guy $150,000 a year for advice. Wow. Can you imagine?

Yeah. You know, we're, we're waiting for Dave Asprey. Some of his clients are now with Unlimited.Life, which is my concierge longevity program. And it's awesome. It, it's funny though, when, when I look at, at people's labs, $40,000 worth of lab work per client, like it's, it's really fun. And I would say Maybe 60% of clients have— they have problems with growth hormone. And this is something happens as you age. Of course, taking growth hormone is not necessarily a good idea, but the fearful people of the world will say, well, once you go on growth hormone, you can never go off. And I'm just going to tell you, that is straight up bullshit. That's bullshit. The reason is I had zero growth hormone 8 years ago. Yeah, because you were fat. And not just because I was fat. I also had toxic mold poisoning. And have some weird genetics and things like that. So I did the full-on glucagon challenge and like, wow, you have zero. So I was on growth hormone for 5 years. Yeah. And I said, you know, I think I'm done. It's, it's expensive. It's a pain in the ass. So I tapered off of it and I had absolutely normal growth hormone levels after that. Just like people have been going off of testosterone for years and getting their testosterone natural production back up. Yeah. And So what you can do now, though, is you can use these signaling molecules, peptides, to raise your growth hormone. What are the two peptides that are most effective at getting growth hormone levels up?

Well, should we talk about FLGR242 first? We got to get to that. Well, so, no, I mean, traditionally, for sure, testo— testo morellin. You got testo morellin and then probably a combination, you know, between how you feel or how you individually biochemically do on it, dipamorellin and CJC, right? Right. So those are your 3 most powerful, call them growth hormone agonist peptides. You know, one is a GHRH, one is a GnRH. Tessa is, as you know, an FDA-approved drug called Agrifta, right? They give it to men with lipodystrophy. They have like wasting illnesses or HIV diagnosis, whatever, and they get that really hard visceral body fat. And so it tears through it. So from a longevity standpoint, for men that have belly fat, there's nothing better, right? Exactly. Yeah. So Ipa is really good for women and it's good for men too. It's a little weaker than Tessa, but it doesn't doesn't increase endogenous or it doesn't actually block endogenous release, right? So you can inject it. No, I said, I said women take it better. I said women take it better because they don't have side effects like Tessa does, because Tessa is a very powerful pulse, right?

I appreciate you calling out the difference in biology between men and women. You like that? Just clarity. It's actually important. Yeah. You know, dosing is different. Yeah. Peptides and all. For sure. And growth hormone, starting around in your 40s, it goes it goes down in everyone. And some people, if you've had metabolic dysfunction like I have, it goes down a lot more, right? So that stack can be really powerful. It is. Yeah. Um, there's also a compound called MK-677. Yeah, it's not a peptide. What do you think about that stuff? Um, I don't like it.

It does increase appetite, it massively increases IGF-1, but inside, in people that use it, especially in— they dose it high, it also increases cortisol, prolactin. It does a lot of negative things. I think it's great though for people that have really difficult, um, ability to eat enough food to build muscle because it does stimulate appetite. Right. And it's cheap. And, you know, it's— it obviously is a very powerful secret dog, but there's just better options, right? Like Tessa and Ipper are way better options. So is CJC.

I like MK-677 because it's oral and just take a pill. Yeah, take it at night and things are better. But you're right, it will make you hungrier. Yeah, it's not been an issue for me because I can eat as much as I want and I don't gain weight at this point. My biology is is, is, yeah, it's kind of crazy. Yeah. All right. That's helpful. So there's our growth hormone conversation. You don't have to take growth hormone in most circumstances because you can simulate it with the compounds you just mentioned. And all this stuff will be in the show notes for you if you're scrambling for a pen. Don't worry about it. Yeah. DaveAsprey.com and this will be there for you. Let's talk about the new peptide on the block, FLGR. So, so we bought for you.

So I I, I'm saying this because I know I've been using it now. This is my 17th week on it. I'm, I'm not going to take my shirt off right now, but I'm more muscular and leaner than I've ever been in my life. And we've been on— I've been on this product since the end of— thank you— since the end of October. And it is, Dave, it's profound. We actually think that it's going to change the world. We have thousands of people using it right now. And so what it does is, is it's a recombinant follistatin. Now, your audience and you know, have heard of follistatin 314, 377, And 3, 8, 1. And all of those products prior to our products had a very short half-life. So if you were going to get any benefit, you'd have to literally— like, bodybuilders would inject it 3 or 4 times a day, before workout, after workout, because again, it was such a small— or I'm sorry, the, the half-life was so small and so tiny, you had to inject it all this time.

What does Folsatin do?

So basically, it removes the governor for myostatin. And myostatin is what prevents us from, like, becoming overmuscular. Remember the bulls and the pictures the, you know, the giant red bulls or whatever, and they became this like mutant bulls. So if you remove myostatin or remove the governor from myostatin, you can become more muscular. But not only become more muscular, you become leaner because it's actually inhibiting or increasing lipolysis and inhibiting Activin. So our designer chemist created a 19-day albumin binding construct with a PK curve of like 14 days. So basically what that means for those who didn't know what the fuck I just said, yeah, is that literally when you inject it stays active in your system for 19 days. Wow. So it's, it's insane. Now, we— how many vials did we bring him?

2 months worth. 2 to 4. Sweet.

And we'll send you a lot more because you're going to want to be on it. I mean, it— within 4 weeks, you, you're pretty lean already, but you're going to be more muscular. You're going to have more force production. You're going to be stronger, more energetic. If you were fatter, which you're not, you would notice fat loss. So women who are taking this right now, who are using GLPs, are preventing muscle loss, which, as you know, is the number one problem for GLPs. And increasing, you know, basically lean tissue. And it works in everyone. Like I said, we have thousands of people using this and we have all these people who have been on it for 6 to 7 weeks now because we were able to actually ship, what, second week of December, third week of December. So they've been on it for 6, 7 weeks. And dude, they're sending us pictures. Wow. 67-year-old women are sending us pictures and we're like, holy fuck, you know, like we got to control the supply chain of this. We got to be able to scale this production. So again, it's a research molecule, molecule right now, but we can see where it goes, that there's going to be a lot of pharmaceutical companies, especially in obesity research, that probably want to have access to the patent, maybe even license, maybe even develop it. I'm sorry, do you have the patent on it? Oh yeah, we have two CAS numbers. It's amazing. I mean, and then the other product, which we should talk about too, is Klotho, which you're already—

we're going to get to Klotho in a minute. I got to go deeper on Nrf2.

For sure. Please.

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So, originally, the chemist was like, "Inject once every 2 weeks," which is the same thing as the PK curve. By the way, R-clotho shares the same albumin binding construct, 19-day half-life. But what we're finding now, and you already know this from just your years in biohacking and understanding PK curves, if you inject it weekly versus twice weekly, you kind of have that from a nadir standpoint versus a, you know, falling. So twice a week. Again, you— that's what I'm doing now. But I would say the average person should start for 8 to 10 weeks, once every 2 weeks, progress, notice what you— your response to it, muscle fat loss, etc. And then if you really want to get more anal, more involved in it weekly, and then when you get to like you and I are, it's like, oh, I'm going to inject on Tuesday and Friday because I'm going to remember in my mind those are the days I'm lifting, etc. Those are the days I'm doing. That's what I'm doing right now. But again, it's designed for a 19-day half-life. So technically you can, you can inject it once every 2 weeks. Wow. It's amazing, dude. I, I'm, you know, I'm going out on a limb and, you know, I don't bullshit people. I think this is one of the greatest performance enhancement products in the history of science. Amazing. Yeah, it's going to change the world for sure.

If you're wondering what a PK curve is, I'm going to explain that for you. That's it. Is pharmacokinetics. And one of the things that, that's just driven me nuts in the supplement world for a long time and in the peptide world is you say, oh, it's got, you know, 500 milligrams of this in it. It doesn't matter. So if you take that and it doesn't absorb, well, then you could have just taken a rock and saved some money as long as it's not too big because then you couldn't poop it out. That's like a Peter Atiyah problem. It does say, oh man, that was my outside voice. Yeah. Anyway, actually, you know what? I just was— I apologize, Peter. That was a Lane Norton problem there.

There you go. You had to get him in too. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

I haven't heard from him. Is he still around?

I don't know. But every time he talks about me, I sell a lot of stuff. There you go. Yeah. Last time he did it, I sold more than $10,000 using BioLane as a discount code on my website. So thanks, Lane. I love you, brother. And your mom says hi. That's good. I love bullies, man. I know how to handle bullies. So back to PK curves. I got distracted by my bad sense of humor. It's all good. If you were to take something and all of it entered your system right away, it'd go boing. And then— but if it drops off right away, so maybe that's useful. Maybe you wanted a really strong peak or maybe you wanted it to come on really gently and then stick around for a long time. Right. Which is what you guys designed. And so a lot of the supplement companies I've had on, the inventors and the creators, they're modifying how a supplement goes into the body. And the one you've heard about most would be something like glutathione, because if you take a glutathione capsule, the PK curve is very, very flat because your body digests it. Not much goes in. So then they make it in liposomes or in other forms, and that means it actually goes up. So it has a better curve. But then how long does it last? How long does it stick around? Compound. So playing with this can be the difference between spending $20 on a generic supplement that doesn't do anything and then spending $55 on someone who spent 10 years of research and all of a sudden it has magic powers. So PK curves are underappreciated. And if you're saying, how the hell do I know what the PK curve on anything is? Well, you could ask your favorite expert who's any of the AI engines right now, like describe the PK curve for this compound in this form. And that'll tell you how often you should take something. There's also the issue of circadian timing. So, a lot of peptides are peptides that are associated with our light and dark cycles, and we're all missing dark anyway, unless you're like me and your house is pitch black with red lights at night and your neighbors think you're a vampire. But how do we know when to take our peptides?

It's a great question. I mean, I think in that conversation, we probably should talk about melanin-cortoid receptor complex stimulators, right? Melanotan-1, you know, I think melanotan-1 is the most underutilized and underappreciated peptide that we know of. Right. Because, you know, in my studies of it and I've been using it since 2008, I permanently darkened my skin. I live in obviously Florida and I travel like you a lot and I don't have to worry about, you know, altering my skin color anymore because it's done that. But also when you go deep into like melanin corticoid receptor complexes and understand what it does, there's consciousness component, right?

Exactly.

So I personally have been recommending that people microdose melatonin 1, 2 or 3 times a week. And obviously when you're in tropical exotic locations where the sun is coming down, you can do it every morning. Right. But what's the microdose?

That's a good question.

I think it depends on the person because, as you know, melanin corticoid receptor complex peptides can create nausea in some users and profound arousal too.

Absolutely right.

Melatonin 2, we could talk about that. I think it's somewhere between 0.3 and 0.5, 100 micrograms. So like less than a milligram, you know, 2 or 3 times a week. But, you know, seeds and other people out there have higher dose, you know, for arousal and stuff like that. But honestly, to your question, I think it's, you know, daylight. I mean, if we just observe the ancients, right, like they ate during the day and they never ate at night. So it's like if you're going to give your peptides, I mean, for me, again, living in Florida, I get a lot of sunlight. I get a lot of sun gazing in the morning. I mean, everything is right when I wake Wake up, right? And then I'm out in my backyard and I'm sun gazing, I'm grounding.

Do you do butthole sunning?

Do I do butthole sunning? No. And I don't do testicle sunning either.

You never tried it? I have never tried it.

No. Is it awesome?

You'd have to ask, actually, I was in the New York Post. The headline was Biohacker Bro Burns Bum. But it was a humor post, not a health post.

Well, I've seen, you know, we've seen, we did a debunk of testicle tanning or whatever, you know, on my website a couple years back. But I do know red and infrared, really do work.

Oh, there's no doubt.

I mean, there's no doubt. I mean, look, the— depending on the time of the day, the red light gradient of the sun's rays are amazing, right? Like, if you do that every morning and you're like at the beach with the ocean and you're on the sand, I mean, there's some really powerful, powerful stuff that you're getting from that, you know. But I don't think most people living in giant cities have any idea about any of that, right?

What's deeper on melanin? Yeah, so this is, this is the stuff that gives you dark skin. So if you are blessed with naturally dark skin, as some of my friends will say, black don't crack. Right, right. And the first time I heard that, I'm like, really? They're like, oh yeah, of course our skin doesn't age. And it's true. You look at an old white dude and an old black dude, totally different skin quality because melanin is protective. Yeah. So if you come from genetics that are optimized to be able to eat wheat and survive dark, cold, shitty winters, which is most of Europe. Eating wheat's still bad for you. But if you can darken your skin, it actually improves your health. No doubt. And here's the consciousness angle. And I think this comes from my cognitive enhancement book, but it could have been longevity one. So inside your brain, you have melanin. And melanin was called junk melanin by scientists because they know what it did. Anytime scientists say something is junk, you know, that's the opposite. Yeah, it means we don't know what it is and we're too arrogant to tell you that. Exactly. And inside the back of your eye where sun doesn't get, you have a ton of melanin. And two guys who are strangely dentists in Mexico, I think they were dentists, maybe eye doctors. I wrote about their study a long time ago. They're like, why is this in the eye? And they went on this obsessive 10-year journey of research to figure it out. And it turns out that melanin acts as a capacitor. Exactly. And what capacitors do electrically is you put electricity into it and it holds on to it and releases it in a big spark. Like, Ark of the Covenant is probably a capacitor. Yeah. And you can make them at home and enough to kill people by just taking aluminum foil and epoxy and making many layers of it. So this is something we know about in electrical engineering, but people fail to understand that we have semiconductors throughout our body. They're just organic semiconductors. And melanin as a capacitor in the back of the eye is because sometimes your eye needs a lot of energy quickly. It's in the brain because you need a lot Yep. So if you can get better melanin by being in the sun and being in the dark or with a compound, I've noticed a difference cognitively as well. To me, it's life-changing.

I mean, I wrote about that in my, my T.O.T. Bible book back in 2017. And by the way, I'm glad you mentioned those two guys. There's another guy we should mention who's also been Google— how do you call that when Google deletes you now and they just remove your information? Being right? Yeah, exactly. His name was Dr. Frank Barr. The listening audience, please look up this guy, but he was a Berkeley researcher and he was suicided off a building in 1972. But he— wow— was the guy that was looking into all the research into melanin. And like you said, as a capacitor into this, like, I mean, it was like a self-regulating system. He was looking into how powerful melanin is. Whoever governs this planet— and if we want to go there, I'm sure we can talk about that too— is not wanting people to understand what melanin is, as you dead because it is very powerful molecule.

Who do you think are the anti-melanin Illuminati?

Good question. Good question. But they do not want us researching melanin. And I've been telling you, that guy, again, his name was Dr. Frank Barr. He was a Berkeley researcher, and he was the guy in studying melanin. And he just literally was thrown off a building in 1972. And you know what's so crazy about this is when I was doing research— this is back in 2015 and 2016— it was readily available. Somebody like 2 years ago sent me a thing, and there's like, there's nothing about Frank Barr. Who the fuck is Frank Barr? And I was like, what are you talking about? And I had to go to book. Wow. In the paperback. And all of his research and his links, which by the way are now deleted. Wow. Yeah, so they've— he's been disappeared.

Google is one of the most anti-functional health companies on the planet. It's, it's actually kind of evil. Even their AI, it's demonic. Yeah, it's demonic is a good word for it. It doesn't make sense. All right, slight diversion here. So when people are at 40 Years of Zen which is right near here for the last 10-plus years. We teach them how to write an intention that you can actually manifest. Right. And this is kind of rewriting code for your subconscious. And there's actually a science to it. And one of the things to understand is that your subconscious and your mitochondrial networks, which have consciousness that's very dumb but still conscious, they don't understand negative operators. So the word no or not It's, it doesn't work. And as an example, don't think of an elephant. How'd that work? All right. So, take the elephant. If you're, if your tagline since the days of formation is don't be evil, the way that's processed unconsciously is directly be evil. And yes, I'm talking about Google's slogan for many years. And I don't think Larry and Sergey had any intention of doing it that way. In fact, when they were two guys into computers, they came to a company that I helped to get started. Started, and we held their servers for a long time until they built their own data centers and took over the world. So, like, without intention, you can do that. So mindfulness is important. Maybe we need more melanin for that. Probably. Okay. Let's switch gears. One of the compounds I've been the most excited about for years and years is a longevity compound that goes down linearly with age, and I wanted to use it. So I found a guy who was making it in a vat in basically a small research lab, I think in Vegas. And I wrote about him in Superhuman. And it turns out it was hard to make and hard to keep it from sticking together. But the compound is called clofoam. And the reason I'm interested in clofoam is, well, it's a longevity compound, but it's also a cognitive enhancer. And until very recently, you couldn't buy clofoam because it wasn't available. So what are you doing with Clovel?

So same. And we should name him, you know, Mike Farber is his name and he's one of the world's most brilliant chemists. He's got 160 drug delivery patents. Amazing guy. Short story on how he came into our ecosystem is he's been on my audience for like 5 years and he sent me this crazy email back in March or April of last year and he was like, we should do some stuff and help the world together. And I wrote him back with question marks like, you know, who are you, bro? And then he sends me his link to all of his patents. And then that's when I called these guys. I said, said, holy shit, we need to talk to this guy. And so then he explained to us, he's like, look, I've developed this revolutionary 19-day albumin binding construct and I can do this with this, this, and this molecule and we can change the world. And so we're all like, okay, bro, what does that mean for us? And hence, 6 months later, he created Klotho and he created FLGR242. So Klotho, as you said, is really an endocrine protein or an endocrine hormone that is now synthesized as a peptide. As you know, there are many people in the universe right now, especially on planet Earth, that are making forms of Klotho. The problem again in the synthesis of it is, is that it degrades rapidly. It doesn't stabilize in light. It's— if you don't build it in a construct, in a binding construct like our chemist Mike has, it just doesn't last long. And also it's very expensive, very cost prohibitive. It's very difficult to manufacture, as you already said. So our guy took it and he put the same 19-day half-life. Again, it's an albumin binding construct. And, you know, he's very, very knowledgeable about like how much inter-individual klotho is in a cell of a 40-year-old aging person over time. Right. And we assume it's somewhere between 8 and 13 micrograms a week circulating. And it's obviously, as you said, going down, right? So our dose is 10 micrograms to be injected every 2 weeks. So essentially, if the PK curve again is the same, it's very small. But as he, you know, has explained to us, there's a lot of risk in overdosing with klotho for the kidneys. You know, there's a lot of bad things that can happen. So you're only taking a tiny microdose. Dose that's like 5 micrograms every 2 weeks. And for an aging person, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, what we notice is— you already kind of mentioned it— massive improvement in endothelial function. So tissue sensitivity, 5-cent sensitivity increases, brain speed increases, vascular protection, kidney protection. I mean, it's really an amazing compound. My wife and I have been using it since the end of August, and I would say it's subtle, but the one thing that you notice the most right away is, again, sex. Is improved, right? You have better oxytocin delivery. I would say better pair bonding and calfin. I mean, literally within the first week of her and I taking it, it was like we were having sex and we were brand new couple again. We've been together for 14 and a half years. Wow. So I can't wait for you to start using this. But I also think that this product is also going to really do a great job. And by the way, we need to mention this. Mike is a humanitarian. He is not a pharmaceutical giant where he wants to just keep this in the hands of the elite. He wants people to be able to experience this. So as you know, we sell it at a very cost-affordable rate. What does it cost? I mean, like with most at a discount, when we have a sale, it's like $360 for a month's supply.

Okay, got it.

And that's really not expensive. No, there's people in the clinical space, as you know, selling it for $3,000 a month. And it's not the same molecule, by the way. It doesn't have the same half-life. It's not going to work as well. I mean, I don't want to degrade anybody else, but it's amazing. And again, right now it's 10 micrograms. You inject it once every 2 weeks. The newest, as I was telling him as we were driving into the city this morning, is that, you know, a lot of people in my inner circle are taking half the dose and injecting it weekly. And again, if you understand, again, the plasma, the pharmacokinetics and the plasma dynamics, 2 shots over once every 2 weeks is probably going to again be more like that versus kind of like that. Right. So not a huge difference from a longevity standpoint, but in a feeling efficacy standpoint, you'll probably notice better endothelial function injecting twice versus once every 2 weeks.

Weeks. And one of the things that isn't well known about clotho is that at the right doses, it's profoundly kidney protective. No doubt. And I wrote about the 4 killers in my longevity book because I thought calling the Four Horsemen was kind of douchey. And if I'd added a fifth, it would have been kidney dysfunction. Because what happens to most of us is you get diabetes. Yes. Right. And then diabetes triggers the other major killers, which would be cancer and cardiovascular and Alzheimer's. Yep. And it also does hypertension, which is cardiovascular, but it's also kidney toxic. So if you can get your levels up to those of a healthy young person, your kidneys are likely to last longer. And then all the other diseases that are all tied to endothelial dysfunction anyway, your risk of those logically ought to go down. And the studies show that people with more do age better.

76-year-old woman, to add to what you're saying, started Klotho and within 5 days started menstruating. Hadn't bled in 27 years. Was freaked out. But we're like, well, you know, biologically, theoretically, this is what it would do. It's restarting and making you younger cellularly. And this is—

this is going to be controversial. So I do a lot of work, especially with Unlimited Life, with women who are at perimenopause or menopause. And I've had so many experts on the show like Anna Cabeca, triple board certified. OB-GYN. And, and it's because men have their own set of issues that happen with andropause and our curve is different and women have theirs. And biohacking has been about 58% women since the beginning of the movement. So like, this is what's the operating system for all humans. Where's the manual for us? Yeah. And with women, man, they, they get into this. I hate my life at perimenopause. And if we're managing their hormones correctly, it's very manageable. right? And then I'm finally free. I just take my B.H.R.T. and then I got my life back, my brain back. Everything is stable and smooth.

I can fuck my husband.

Things are good. Yeah, exactly. And it can be relationship saving for sure. But if you read Superhuman, you really want to be long-lived. Your body needs to believe at a very basic level that you're still capable of having babies. And if you do that, that, then your body says, well, there's no way I'm going to like age out for the next generation because I might have more. So there are hormone replacement modalities like the Wiley method where women in their 60s, 70s, 80s, you change the amount of hormones you take every day in order to mimic a normal curve of menstruating. So then you do have a 1 or 2 day cycle even in your 60s or 70s. Now, right now, a lot of women, friends in, in and menopause, they're like, Dave, fuck you, I don't want to do that. It's a pain in the butt, right? I respect that. Same time, if it's going to give you the energy you had when you were 30, would you do it? And the answer may be yes. So either one's okay. But if you start as a man, you wake up and you're like, man, like, like my morning kickstand is, is getting in the way. That's good. And if you're a woman and saying, I feel fertile again, then that's good. That's actually a profound sign that you're reversing your age and that you're therefore extending your life.

And by the way, that is what is noticeable for most of the people that have been using Klotho. And again, it's a small sample size. There's thousands of people using both products, but it was— it's been like since the second or third week of December that most people got it. So most people, like I said, are in their 6th to 7th week of using both products. But that's what they noticed. So again, better sexual function, better tissue function. A lot of people's sense of smell is massively improving. Hearing is improving. So again, it's the little things, but again, it's endothelial tissue sensitivity. That's crazy. Yeah.

And, and guys, I should mention biolongevitylabs.com. You can use code Dave, right? And this is a sponsored episode and all that kind of stuff. I always like to disclose that. And also, you guys have been friends for a long time. I was on your board of directors. Yeah, for many years. My rule is really straightforward. I don't have anyone on the show. Unless I want to interview them. Awesome. So appreciate it. That, that code's important to me. This feels like the golden age of biohacking where I have access to things that I want. I don't need a permission slip from someone to get it. I don't have to fly out of the country to get it or, you know, have my, my peptide smuggling vest on or whatever. And it used to be pretty crazy for this stuff. Sure. So how does it work from a regulatory perspective? I mean, these are research chemicals. Yep. And there's no law that says I can't inject any research chemical I want. Right, right. So how do you navigate the legalities of offering?

It's an awesome question. So my newest book is coming out and this is when I shill. Metabolic Awakening with GLP-1 Peptides. It comes out literally in a week. I don't know when this will run, but, you know, it's basically end of February and it's my magnum opus. It's 770 pages, 1,400 scientific references. I have an entire chapter discussing research the regulatory situation, the gray market aspect of it. Like, what is— what can you do? What can't you do? And the truth is, and this comes from our attorney, you know, shout out to Jeff Cohen, as you said, any person is allowed the right to research on themselves, right? In the state of Montana, they have the right to try, right? Any drug, you can get an IRB-phased study, you can start stuff there. And through the state of Montana, you can get a clinician to write you a script, and you can do whatever you want. Any drug, experimental research molecule, et cetera. But like in our world right now, the, the pharmaceutical industry sees the research industry as the direct-to-consumer model. And the legal opinion of all the attorneys that have ever been in that space call it the direct-to-consumer model, because again, it is a competitor to the pharma model, right? Which is, you know, has to go through a doctor, get a script, et cetera. And the truth is, and a lot of people don't even know this in the functional health space, no peptide is illegal to prescribe. It is written as an off-label medication if a functional wellness doctor wants to do it. They have obviously since September of 2023 been listed as Class II, a lot of the peptides. But very soon, according to people in the Maha movement and the people that advise us legally, everything is going to be moved back to Phase or Class I, which means that peptides will be open season. Any doctor can write a script for them.

Right. The fact that you can write a script for it doesn't mean that your insurance company and your medical licensing board won't bully you. Exactly. And they will go after you too. Do you think that we're going to see something like a RICO lawsuit against the AMA? I think it's already happening.

I think what you're seeing is the, uh, 503(a) and 503(b) compounders are being attacked right now by the major pharmaceutical giants, which, Dave, as you and I both know, let's just say it's a scam because these are the same people who 2 years ago or 3 years ago were commissioned by the same pharmaceutical giants to make their product when they couldn't keep up with the demand. And now they're going after them and saying, oh, you don't have the right to sell this or make it, even though we gave you that express right previously. So it's all really, to me, laughable. I don't know. It's the great question. And again, I analyze this in the book and I, but you know, to what you were saying, we are in a golden age. I have a whole chapter, it's a bonus chapter about everything that's in the pipeline, right? Yeah. And we didn't talk about Reddit True Tied or Trisoptite or any of these amazing books. I mean, these amazing GLP products. But dude, those products, as amazing as they are, Dave, and the expectation, you know, you heard Huberman recently talking about Reddit True Tied is gonna be a trillion-dollar product.

Shocking. In 2 years.

I don't even know if any of those products will even be relevant. That's how amazing this golden age that we're in is. And so, and again, this chapter in the book has all of the drugs that are already in phase 2 and phase 3 that are a couple years out, right? And by the way, we need to mention this: the whole FDA approval for a drug process is outdated and antiquated and ridiculous. It doesn't even apply.

I can't— I can't actually agree with you anymore.

Why not? For studies?

I went to DC Yeah. And I talked with Marty, the commissioner. Yeah. Marty McRehan. Yeah. Jim O'Neill. Shout out to Marty. Yeah. Jim O'Neill was just on the show. Yeah. And we talked backstage about peptides. And on stage, Marty said, you know what, our approvals process is ridiculous. It's held people back. We're going to fast-track.

So he agrees with me then. That's what you're saying, because that's what I'm saying.

I don't know if he agrees with everything you're saying, but, but he straight up said in front of 500 people when I'm interviewing him. He said it is antiquated. Yeah, we are going to fast-track high-likelihood candidates and it doesn't matter if they're drugs or anything else so that we're just going to get rid of this process because the process was there to make money for people. Exactly. Exactly. The number of people who've died waiting for something to be legal, it's, it's unconscionable. It is.

And think of all the women that couldn't get hormones from the WHI.

It's, it's just crazy pants. So the problem is people have a hard time getting good advice. For 25 years since I've been in the longevity field, I've made it a practice of finding trustworthy people. And I'm not always right. I did have Peter on the show before he had his show. So guys, I apologize for that. We all mess up. Time is okay. Yeah, but I didn't get any, any new knowledge from that, so it's okay. But, but I mean, here, here's the thing. There are a group of people who have access to these things because they know the right people. And those are the people who feel better, have more energy, and live way longer than everyone else. And that, that's been my, my job is like, hey, let me introduce you for a very long time. And now that I'm doing it directly with clients with Unlimited.Life, I've seen even more of the results just up close and personal. It's been very satisfying. And The reality is, like you're saying, you can do anything you want with your biology and it may be really dumb and it may be really smart. So don't be really dumb. And one of the, the funniest things, just as an example of what's allowed, a long time ago I had an 80-year-old doctor in practice tell me about urine injection therapy, which is now known as Biolan therapy. Therapy. And this kind of therapy, it's ridiculous, but you're taking immune molecules from your urine and using them to turn off really powerful allergies, right? Sounds gross. It's a lot less gross than drinking it, that's for sure. But well, okay, is there a law against that? There cannot be a law against that, right? So anytime a regulator anywhere in the world says you're not allowed to do something you want to do to be that regulator is not your friend. They're not working on your side. And where we're running into problems here, if you go to your average doctor here and you talk about peptides, they'll say dangerous, don't understand, no studies. So you got to hire the right expert. That's why I don't hire the guy who paints my house to change the oil in my car. Not the same skill set. So you got to find the right people. It's really important. I do think you have an enormous body of knowledge, like you've, you've really devoted more than a decade made of only doing peptides, which is really cool. And so biolongevitylabs.com, use code Dave, and check out jcampbell.com to get some of this info directly. Use the J bot. And look, you might do something and it might not work. I've done lots of things that don't work. Okay. It's called an experiment. Thomas Edison tried 10,000 light bulbs that didn't work before he found one that did. It won't take that long with peptides. You should feel a difference on the things that matter most to you. And same thing with supplements, same thing with changing your diet, same thing with turning out your freaking lights at night. It's all a stack, and we just want the recipe that works for you. Thank you for listening and for your time and your attention and for considering, like, wow, the world is really interesting right now. Maybe that thing that is weighing me down, whatever it is, maybe there's something you can do that felt like it was impossible 10 years ago because it was. That's, that's how it is right now. See you on the next episode. See you next time on the Human Upgrade podcast. The Human Upgrade, formerly Bulletproof Radio, was created and is hosted by Dave Asprey. The information contained in this podcast is provided for informational purposes only and is not intended for the purposes of diagnosing, treating, curing, or preventing any disease. Before using any products referenced on the podcast, consult with your healthcare healthcare provider. Carefully read all labels and heed all directions and cautions that accompany the products. Information found or received through the podcast should not be used in place of a consultation or advice from a healthcare provider. If you suspect you have a medical problem or should you have any healthcare questions, please promptly call or see your healthcare provider. This podcast, including Dave Asprey and the producers, disclaim responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information contained herein. Opinions of guests are their own, and this podcast does not endorse or accept responsibility for statements made by guests. This podcast does not make any representations or warranties about guests' qualifications or credibility. This podcast may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products or services. Individuals on this podcast may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to herein. This podcast is owned by Bulletproof Media.