Episode 455: When Seconds Matter—Cannabis Bias Nearly Cost Her Husband His Life

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Foreign Radio Podcast. I'm Ian Jessup. Today we're taking a slightly different perspective on a familiar story, the use of cannabis in a medical crisis. You may recall our recent conversation with Ian McGann, who suffered a stroke while using cannabis. Because of outdated perceptions and bias, his treatment was delayed. Fortunately, he recovered. But what's often left out of these stories is the emotional and psychological journey of the loved one standing by, watching it all unfold. Today, I'm honored to speak with Caitlin Bellucci, Ian's wife. We'll discuss what it was like to witness the unfolding crisis. Caitlin, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it.

Yeah, I really appreciate you having me. Thank you so much.

Ian, can you take us back to the day Ian had his stroke and what was happening and when did you realize something was seriously wr.

So that day was May 27. It was a beautiful day. I mean, and Ian is a really social person, so he was out and about. And I had gotten some flowers, and I planted all of the flowers on the front porch. So we were doing, like, a lot of stuff that day. So the house actually looked pretty nice at that time. And so the day unfolded. He was out and about, I was doing my thing, and we were very tired because, you know, obviously we've been going throughout the day, and it was like, I don't know, I swear, like 9pm Perhaps. And we decided to go to bed, to go lay in bed and like, watch a movie or something. And it was the Magnificent Seven. I think it's like some western type of movie. And he had gotten up to go outside because Ian just gets rock restless. So anyway, loves to look at the stars. So he went outside into a field, and I was inside laying in bed, falling asleep. And he came running in, not running kind of quickly into the bedroom.

Staggering. Staggering.

Him? Yeah. And he had a Lacroix can in his right hand. He placed it on the dresser. And kind of soon as he placed the can down, he yelled, I need help. And fell onto the bed. And his eyes were moving quite rapidly. And because he kind of. He knew, I don't know, not that he had a premonition, but he was feeling a little bit dizzy before, so I knew to pay attention. And I wanted to make sure that I had all My facts for. So when I. When I saw him with his eyes kind of rapidly moving and he was slurring his speech a lot, he wasn't answering me like he normally would. I know this sounds crazy, but I grabbed my phone at the same time, and I was like, you know, Ian, you're scaring me. What's going on? Are you having a stroke? And I repeatedly asked him, like he was gonna answer me. And then I Googled it to make sure that I had all the symptoms in case people ask. And it was. It was like that Be Fast acronym. He had every single Be Fast symptom that there was. So I called 91 1, and that time he, like, had roll. Rolled off the bed, and he was, like, crawling. I don't if you've ever seen anyone partially paralyzed, even in a movie or something, and their army crawling across the ground, but they can only use their arms. That's kind of how it was. And then it was like, one arm. And I'm telling the people on the phone, 911 that he. I think he's having a stroke. That was, like, the first thing that I said. And the woman on the phone was like, did he take anything? Now I said, ian and I have known each other for a very long time, and, you know, we were a little crazy when we were teenagers, so. So it was always like, oh, don't say anything about cannabis. Don't. But because my husband was having a stroke, I decided to tell the truth. I was like, oh, the truth. That's usually what we go with here to make sure that he's going to live and survive. And they have all the information that they need. So they asked me, did he take anything? And I said, well, he has his cannabis card. He has an autoimmune thing, so he has his cannabis card. And so he smoked some cannabis, and I think he had, like, a Corona. And that's really what I told them. So basically, I kind of signed a little death warrant at that point because I had been honest, and I said something about it, and she was like, okay, you know, paramedics are on the way. Call us if you need anything. Oh, no. With me, like what? As I was. I mentioned earlier a little bit that I have an older dog, and forgive me if my story is not as linear, kind of haven't spoken about it in a long time. I used to have it down like Pat, but it's been a little while. So I called her, and he was projectile vomiting, and she did tell me to turn him on his side before she hung up on me. So I had him sort of, like, between my legs on his side, and I was holding him up, and I was keeping the dog back at the same time. And he was literally laying in the threshold of our doorway, just losing all ability to control his body functions, fluids, like, everything. And so that's when she was basically like, keep him on his side and make sure he doesn't, like, choke. Call me if you need anything. And, like, hung up. And I was like, what? So I called my mom, like, 40 something called my mom, because I guess that's what you do in a crisis. So I was like, listen, I don't really know what to do. And she was like, did you tell them everything? I was like, yeah, of course I told them. Like, I didn't lie to them in any way, shape, or form. And she was like, okay, good. And I think, like, we both kind of reverted back to being. Me, a teenager, and her. My mom, you know, so she was like, did you tell the truth?

And so, Caitlin, did your mom know that he. That your husband had a cannabis card?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, we're pretty transparent.

Yeah.

With our parents, both of us, in fact, like, now, you know, we tell stories and kind of laugh about childhood and all of the crazy things that we had done and all that kind of stuff. So we're pretty transparent. And. Yeah. So she knew. And you know what? My mom is a nurse. Hasn't been working in the field for a while. She's a little, you know, a little older, but she's a registered nurse, Reiki master teacher. And so she's. And I don't know if you can hear the lawnmower. I'm sorry. It would have been cut off before if I. I don't know why Ian's mowing the lawn in front of the window right now.

That's okay. Yeah. He's alive. That's the main thing. Right.

He can do really well, is, you know, sit on the mower and take care of the property in that sort of way where he's not lifting up anything.

Yeah.

So anyway, my mom's a registered nurse, Reiki master teacher, and so she's familiar with, you know, lots of different medical things and has been in the ER and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, she made sure also that he was on his side. And then after I hung up with my mom and I hung up with 911, I knew that the cops were coming, and I knew that EMS was coming, and I knew that they were gonna judge Us. And I don't know what popped in my head, but I guess, you know, growing up here and understanding judgment, I ran around the house, and I made sure that all of the cannabis was away. Put everything away except for one thing. I left it on the counter next to this Corona that he had taken a sip out of. Felt as if it tasted weird. And then he had a stroke, so he didn't even drink the Corona that I said, spoke about. He had taken a sip out of the neck, so the bottleneck was empty. And then, like, it was just to here. And there was a cannabis pipe on the counter, a glass pipe, you know, really pretty artistic. It wasn't anything, like, crazy. And so I. I think they saw that. And he was in the back of our house, and we have a very narrow hallway. And they kind of came in and they were like, all right, what do we have here? And I was like, my husband's having a stroke. And they were like, okay, yeah, like, did he take anything? And they just kept asking me about that, and I kept telling them the same thing and telling them it had nothing to do with that and that they needed to, like, act quickly. It was two women. It was one woman that was, you know, bigger than me, and then there was another woman that was about my size or maybe even a little bit smaller. And they couldn't lift him, and I had to help them lift him and sit him up sort of like on the edge of the bed. And they just kept asking him what he took and all that. And I'm like, dude, like, listen to me. I'm. I'm telling you the honest truth here. And then they were like, okay, well, we're gonna. We're gonna try to get the gurney. They took their time, and they kept trying to get that gurney back to the back of the house to get him onto it, and they kept, like, running into the walls. And, like, they didn't know what they were doing with the B team. It was like, the B team came out, you know what I mean, on this Saturday night at, like, 9pm and I guess they came around 10:30 maybe. So anyway, that took a long time. And right there, like, you could tell they didn't take us seriously. And they. They mentioned that they smelled cannabis in the house. And I told them again, like, got a medical card. We're going to sleep. We use it to sleep.

Yeah.

So that's what's going on. It's not a huge party.

It's interesting what you say, because if he had taken alcohol and Had a stroke, they would be fine with that. But with cannabis, somehow, that. Cannabis, which has never killed anyone, alcohol, which has killed millions. It's bizarre, isn't?

Is? So bizarre.

Yeah. And how they just were lackadaisical in their approach. I mean, when someone has a stroke. I know, because my brother had a stroke and got to the hospital in 15 minutes.

Oh, nice. Good.

And he's fine now, just as your husband is. But you've got to get medical attention promptly, quickly, within a very short period of time. And he had his stroke around 9 o' clock, and at 10:30 they're still trying to get him on a gurney.

Yeah, well, no, I called. I was in bed around 9, and the stroke kind of happened around, like, 10.

Oh, okay.

They tried to get him on the gurney, but they were at our house for over an hour. Like an hour.

Oh, my God.

Because they called to call in backup, like men to lift up Ian. Because they couldn't really get it done. They also were terrible phlebotomists. This blood was, like, all over the place in the kitchen, just shooting around. And I'm, like, trying to clean up all the stuff. And I will tell you that it's insane to me. What the woman said in their approach was, I didn't bring a change of clothes, but if I have to shower, I guess that's okay. Because he was, like, projectile vomiting and losing all control of his bodily fluids. What kind of comment is that?

Yeah, it isn't about them. It's about the patient.

Correct.

Yeah.

Like, I don't care. You didn't bring a change of clothes. You. You are an EMT or an ems. I don't really remember who was what. I think they were just like, the ems, not the emt. I don't remember which one knows more. So, yeah, I couldn't even believe it. And. And I'm knowing that I have to keep my cool because they are the only hope for him to live.

Yeah.

So no matter what they said, I had to remember, like, play the game. Play the game.

Well, if I remember the conversation with Ian, you were very. He said you were very adamant that he had a stroke. As a matter of fact, you said he's had a fucking stroke.

I did. I'm from Philly. Of course I did.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So they finally got him to hospital, correct?

Yeah. A long time before they came in and accused him of doing drugs in the closet. I was like, I'm sorry. Yeah. They didn't even tell me they were leaving. I was still inside, trying to take care of the vomit and all that stuff and the dog and make sure he was good. And some guy just came in, and I was like, okay, are we, like, ready to go? And they were like, oh, he left. Okay. They didn't even let me know that I couldn't. I didn't ride in the ambulance with him. Nothing. So, yeah, I got to the hospital after them separately. And I'm singing again. My last name is not the same last name as Ian.

Yeah, well, that's okay. He's. He's mowing in the lawn, but he's healthy.

I should probably go out there and tell him to, like.

No, that's good. That's fine.

Storm. And so he's choosing the storm spot where to mow, specifically where there's no tree branches. So I'm sorry about that. Okay, so we have separate last names. And I was like, my. But my husband's here. I think he's having a stroke. Not. I think. I know he's having a stroke. He's back there. I'm his wife. And she was like, all right, take a seat. And I was like, okay. So I went and took a seat, and comically, there's all those pamphlets that are like, be fast. Really? Times of the Essence. Times of the Essence. And it already had been so long. I feel like it had been like an hour and some. So finally they were like, okay, he's back here and walking back, and. And I've been in hospitals before, and I'm familiar and just seemed like an odd spot, you know? And it was like this back hallway, and at the. At the wall, there were, like, people sitting on the outside of each of the rooms and, like, looking in. And I was like, well, that's interesting. So I went in. And he was the. The best analogy I can give is if you've ever seen Christ on the cross and he's got his feet crossed over and, like, just there, you know, he looked so frail, and he was shaking, and he was freezing. He was so cold. And they didn't give him any blankets. They didn't give him anything. He just had, like, the gown on him. He still had pieces of food in his nose, right? Like, larger pieces of food. When he was, like, throwing.

He wasn't cleaned up at all. Didn't clean up?

Not at all. I'm in there, and I'm like, excuse me. Kathy, who was the nurse, was like, hey, can we get some blankets in here? He's really freezing. And I had to keep asking. And she finally brought the blankets and as I'm putting them on him, I'm like, he stinks like you. He's got all this feces all over him and vomit all over him. Is there a way we can clean him up, please? And where is the doctor? You know, he's having a stroke. She literally gave me a spray bottle of whatever they use in like a cloth and I cleaned him up.

Wow.

So I'm like cleaning him up and I'm talking to him and I do pretty well in crisis situations. I can compartmentalize those things so I can stay pretty level headed even in a situation like that. So, like, I know what I need to do, the task at hand, so I'm going to do those things, you know? So I was just cleaning him and there was no soap. There's literally no soap in the soap dispenser. And I was like, kind of want to wash my hands, have any soap anywhere. And she was like, typical. I'm like, chester County Hospital used to be amazing and now it's like down in the dumps. And like, you're just letting my husband lay here. So basically the reason he was in this hallway is because he was on suicide watch and like, drug watch.

Suicide watch.

Like the watchers, the people that sit. Yeah, yeah. Because they thought he was on drugs. Like, did he take anything? Is he gonna try to harm him? Like, I was like, what? And of course, you know, I know he told you all about how when the doctors came in and was like, follow my finger. And he and I have known each other so long that I literally know what he's saying at any time.

Yeah. You said before we started this that you've known him since you were 14. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We, we were very, very good. Like, we were good friends, nothing romantic like that for a very long time. And then later in life we got back, we got together. I'm a photographer and a teacher, so he was a contractor. And we made a bartering agreement that he would do some contracting in this house that I was in and I would take photographs for him. So that's kind of how we got together at that point later in life, about 12 years ago maybe.

So the doctors were not as vigilant as they should have been in dealing with his stroke. And because. Not at all just because of the word cannabis, somehow they believed he was a drug addict and he was having a drug overdose of some sort of. And eventually may even commit suicide. I mean, the whole thing is just so bloody bizarre.

Bizarre. I felt like I Was living in the twilight zone the whole time. I mean, it was like I was invisible sometimes. Like when this arrogant doctor came in, you know, and was like, what did he take? And blah, blah, blah. The same things I've been saying over and over. I'm like, he is having a stroke. And he was just so arrogant and so dismissive of everything that I was saying. It really did not matter. And I was really starting to get agitated and, you know, I was like, I'm gonna reach out to another doctor. I'm going to call Ian's sister because I'm not really getting any response from these people. No sense of urgency, like, whatsoever. And so I did call her and I had her on the phone when the doctor came back in the room and they spoke, you know, their little doctors speak. She told him how his history is complicated, he's definitely having a stroke, and, you know, all these things, like. And the doctor was like, all right, I'll go, like, check the test. Finally, they sent him to get that CT scan or whatever he needed. I'm sorry, I don't remember. It's been so long since I've had to use all the medical speak. But they, they gave him that scan, you know, to look at the brain. And they came in and, you know, it took a while and he. The doctor was in the hallway and I had Natalie on the phone, his sister, Ian's sister. And I was like, can she speak with you? And he literally just acted as if I wasn't standing there. And I was like, excuse me. I was like, can you do you mind talking to my sister in law about the situation? She, you know, she knows more than I do. Totally acted like I wasn't there. And that's when I started to get a little, little bit more frustrating. I was like, am I a ghost? Do you see me? Am I here? I'm here, I'm here, right this phone. And then Natalie was like, they're definitely not going to respond to you if you start to be a smart ass, you know. So anyway, she's the reason that they actually started looking at the tests. They came in, they were like, oh, they were unremarkable. Left, came back in. Ian's looking at the clock the whole time. We're both looking at the clock the whole time. He came back in and he was like, well, it looks like there's just like a little shadow. So we're gonna set up an ambulance to take him into Upenn in the city, which is like a good 45, 50 minutes. Almost an hour. You want to send an ambulance from Philly to Westchester, pick him up, and then back to two, Two more hours. You thought that was great. So they went back, looked at the scan again, and they were like, I, we're gonna get a chopper. This has escalated pretty quickly.

So they Sounds like, it sounds like your sister in law may have given them shit for their attitude.

She did. She actually did call the charge nurse too. And the charge nurse, like, wouldn't even like, let her through. Like, was like, she's trying to get information on behalf. And I said she could, and Ian said she could. So she has, I guess, whatever. She knows all the laws, like the right to ask specific questions. And the woman was dismissive. And so Natalie, basically, I don't know if you want to say red or the riot act, but I'm sure she was like, hey, I hope. I know she said, I hope nobody treats your family the way that you just treated my family.

Yeah.

And so I do remember going to my car. I took a video of the cop of the helicopter on top of the hospital. And it was 2:22, 2:23 in the morning. And stroke started at, at like 10, 10:15. It was like 2. Can you believe that? How this man is still alive, I have no idea. And, you know, they were not helping matters.

How different is Ian today compared to prior to the stroke?

He's different. He's the kind of person that. Here he comes again. Just like, he knows we're talking about him. Who would go snowboarding, you know, if possible, get dropped from a helicopter up to Mount Top and snowboard down. He would split snowboarding, hike up the mountain to snowboard down. I remember this time we were both really sick. We both snowboard. He was like coughing up blood. He's like, all right, I'm going to the mountain. I'm like, okay. So very extreme as far as, like, his interests go. And really smart. He's still extremely intelligent. But I mean, quick, quick math skills, like, really, really good at that. And I happen to have a learning disability. All right, so vowels don't sound the same to me. I have a really tough time with math. And Ian never really understood that because he doesn't have. He didn't have that.

Yeah.

Brain was just so fast and able to process everything, you know, in a timely manner, I suppose, or even faster than that. For me. I've always had this sort of processing thing happening. Right. So I've always understood that. And now after his stroke, he's kind of the same spot that I am where he has that learning disability. And he. He didn't understand at the beginning how he just couldn't understand certain things. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That was so easy. And. And it's funny because then we were able to relate to each other in a different way because he kind of understood. Wow, you've been doing this your whole life. Like, you. You've been compensating for this your whole life. And. And, you know, working this hard in your brain this whole time. And so I kind of, like, helped him through certain things in the beginning. And he's just had a rem. Remarkable quick recovery. I mean, that's kind of how he is. If anybody were to have a stroke, it's not good that it was him, but he has that will.

And do you know what, Caitlin? And listening to your story and having interviewed Ian, it strikes me that I'm not sure what he would be like now if you weren't as vigilant as you were. And Ian's sister, as a doctor, wasn't as thorough as she was in dealing with these medical doctors who felt that he was somehow. Ian was a drug addict. And I wonder, how do you think. What kind of condition do you think he'd be in today if.

Oh, I'd be wiping gas.

Yeah.

I've had to see him be lifted up in a harness for a nurse to have to take care of him after he's used the bathroom, or lift him up in, like, you know, a harness hanging from the ceiling and put him onto a seated toilet. Like, I. He would be paralyzed on his right side. He's right handed, you know, or just completely everything on his right side wouldn't work. He would swallow his tongue. I've seen him choke. He still kind of has to remind himself of certain things that he's doing. Nobody knows. I'd say he's recovered, but I would say it's not over. I think he would definitely be slurring. That's the thing about a stroke, right? You're slurring your words and they're like, oh, you must be on drugs. So he does still, when he gets tired, slur his speech a little bit, kind of hard. I had to feed him for a little while.

Is cannabis still part of his protocol?

Ian is a. Not only a huge advocate for cannabis, but like a cannabis connoisseur. Like, he. He is its biggest advocate, and I am also an advocate for it. Maybe a little bit quieter because of my profession, but honestly, I don't think he would Be where he is now without cannabis. And I don't even mean just like flower cannabis. I mean topical. Like, it was laughable that they would not allow us to bring Dr. Solomon's, which is like this incredible company. It's a topical, like, lotion that you can use for pain. It's not like we asked, you know, can he smoke in here? Like, bring up the bong, we're gonna smoke. No, it was, hey, can he use this lotion? And he wanted to keep everything by the book so he wouldn't sneak in anything, you know, very honest. So I couldn't just bring in the lotion and, like, put it on him or anything. He wasn't willing to, you know, break the rules kind of deal. Neither were they.

Yeah, it's a little tough with cannabis. And one of the things that Corey and I felt when we started this podcast in 2016 is that instead of talking about the business of cannabis, instead of talking about, you know, the makeup, the chemical makeup of cannabis, we thought that it would be an educational program where people told their stories about their use of cannabis and how it helped them. Because stories resonate. Facts and figures are fine, but people don't remember them. But people remember stories.

Absolutely.

And stories have great emotional impact. And I think this story does as well because it really, truly illustrates the bias that the medical community has against cannabis. Even if you didn't believe in cannabis, you have an individual who is in dire need of medical treatment. Treat the person, for Christ's sake, instead of just sitting back and letting your biases and your arrogance enter into it.

Agreed? Yeah, agreed.

Now, what would you say to other people who are dealing with situations similar to yours?

I would say, don't let people walk on you. I mean, you really do have to be strong. I happen to be a pretty strong willed individual, so you really do have to be strong. You also have to take what people say with a grain of salt. Everybody has an opinion, and doctors don't really know anything. I mean, think about it. It's science, right? Science has hypothesis, and then you have to figure out, you know, the different defining factors, and then that's how you come to your conclusion, right? Whatever. It's obviously a little bit more intense than that. But they're guessing, like, what can this be? Do I think I saw this? Did A, B and C happen if I did this right? So all of these different variables and nobody really knows for sure. I can't tell you how many doctors we seen and they're like, I think this is the cause and then another doctor comes and he's like, nope, that's not the cause. So everyone's always going to be preaching what they believe and what studies they like, right?

Yep.

Perhaps I think it'd be best for people to come to their own conclusion, but also during that time, you know, take what the doctors have to say with a little bit of leeway. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I think it does make sense, but you have to. One of the things I adhere to is that I don't put my health care into the hands of a doctor. I do a lot of research and deal with my own health issues my own way. And if I'm in a trauma situation, like a heart attack, dare to say this, even a stroke, you are a perfect example of why this doesn't work.

Right.

Doctors are usually pretty good. I mean, the people we deal with have cancer, brain tumors, melanomas, and soon as you mention cannabis, boy, the barriers go right up. Yeah. And I've said this over and over again about how many people we've dealt with on this program who've had brain tumors. They've had operations to remove the tumor, which is fine, but cannabis has kept the thing away. Oh, yeah, they're still alive today. And, yeah, it's really an educational issue, and I think it's going to go on for years and years and years. And unfortunately, the federal government in the United States has not legalized cannabis. And if they did, there would be a better understanding amongst the medical profession of the medical benefits. Doctors always say, well, we need more studies. There are thousands. There are tens of thousands of studies. You just haven't looked at them.

Correct. Because they choose. It's a choice.

That's right. And it's a pharmaceutically dominated industry. And until that is resolved, hopefully in the near future, we can. We can move on. Is there anything you'd like to say about that we haven't maybe haven't touched on?

Well, I just. I was going to say, you know, alcohol used to be illegal during prohibition.

Yep.

And they don't seem to have a problem with it now. It actually has. I mean, I don't know. I haven't looked into the studies, but I'm gonna think that cannabis has a little bit more medicinal purposes than alcohol has. And I think it usually comes down to people's agendas and money. Yeah, those are the two things that everything always goes down to.

Yeah, we have an endocannabinoid system, but we don't have an alcohol system in our body.

Right. Crazy. And they're still learning so much about our human bodies. Like the fascia and the tissue between. Like, it's crazy to me how much is unknown, but also how much is known and people are not paying attention to it. It's a stigma. It's a judgment, and I think people need to try to keep more of an open mind.

Yeah.

And listen to people's. Like you said, real stories. I mean, this is like, real life. You know, RSO is so, so important. Like that Rick Simpson oil is like a miracle for many people. Many people. I just think it's unfortunate that there's such a stigma against it when it can really help people like Ian regain the use of their body. Like, he is constantly in pain. Constantly in pain. And there are certain strains that help with that. Like, really help with that. I mean, wouldn't be on the lawnmower right now.

You know, he shouldn't be on the lawnmower right now.

No, no, no. Not that he's using it at the moment, but, I mean, it helps him to, you know, go throughout his day doing other things.

Yeah.

To help him save sort of. I don't know, save himself to be able to do other things. Does that make sense?

It does. And I think you're a real champion for your husband, and you deserve a lot of credit for actually, I think, saving his life. Because if you didn't tell the doctors he's having a fucking stroke.

Right.

They. They would have just ignored him repeatedly.

Having to tell them that.

Yes, yes. In a very quiet way.

They would beg to differ on that one.

Yes. Caitlin, it was wonderful to talk to you. I thank you so much for your story and giving us a different perspective on not only the use of cannabis, but on how families have to deal with trauma sometimes. And it was wonderful to talk to.

Yes, wonderful to talk to you, too. I'm sorry. I wanted to say still, you know, don't listen to other people's. This is for the families. When random people come up to you and try to tell you, like, this is bad, you shouldn't let them do this. It's important in recovery for them, for the person to be positive and to utilize the tools and to not let other people's judgment come in and take over, because a lot of people have a lot of things to say.

Oh, yeah. We interviewed Kim Staton in England a couple weeks ago, and she. She was giving her mother cannabis oil in her food. Her mother had Alzheimer's, and she said her mother used to be a hummer. She used to hum a lot and when she got Alzheimer's, she stopped humming. But when she got the cannabis oil in her food, she started humming again, which was quite remarkable. But her daughter didn't like it. Her daughter was opposed to it. And her daughter reported her to authorities. And eventually a doctor helped get Kim exonerated. But I said, when was the last time you talked to your daughter? She said, about nine or 10 years ago. So, and we, very early on, we talked to this woman in Ontario, this older woman who had cancer, and it was helping. She was getting better. Her family was opposed to it, she stopped taking it, and she died. And so, you know, families can have a huge either positive or negative impact. And you've. You've got to draw a line in the sand and say, listen, this is for the benefit of the person taking it.

Agreed.

And I think you've done a great job. Thanks very much. I appreciate it.

Of course, yeah. Thank you so much for having me. Hopefully I was helpful.

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