Episode 460: How Cannabis Helped Brenton Crow Overcome Stage 3B Rectal Cancer

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Emotionally, it wasn't the shock that I thought it would be. You always have this funny feeling deep inside of you. It's something that's not right and just my personality traits. I'M not really much of a warrior. I'm not a stressor. I'm not. I'm not overly, maybe empathetically, maybe, but I, I was kind of. I was kind of like, okay, I have a goal, I have a mission, I have something I have to try and beat, and I'm looking forward to the journey. I was, I was very motivated and I was very, maybe arrogant at the time that I was going to beat cancer the way that I wanted to, based on my research capabilities, even though it was a very short time frame. So I was, I wasn't really too shook up about it, but it was also because I didn't understand the severity of it at the time as well.

Well, the interesting thing you mentioned is that you mentally knew or felt that you could beat this, right?

Correct.

Yeah.

No.

After your diagnosis, what did you do in terms of dealing with your cancer?

As soon as I was diagnosed, I was. You go into the research of the alternative community, and there's quite a few pitfalls. I noticed here and there that I was like, okay, you've got to remember, you're in a. You've got to be in it. You're in a mental space of a cancer patient where, you know, your, your dopamine is very susceptible to being hijacked by people that are telling you the right or wrong things. And you need to do your best in a brake speed. Time to figure out what is the efficacy of what they're projecting to me and is it going to help me and how does it help me? What is its mechanism, you know, what is the pharmacology of that and how can I synchronize it with other treatments to try and get the best effects of it? So basically, I went down the path like my, my pathway was to start. So this is December of 2023. I decided to do fasting. And, you know, I was. I kind of went down the rabbit hole of Thomas Seyfried with his theory on cancer as a metabolic disease. It made sense to me, and there was enough there to convince me from his lectures and these various podcasts that there might be something to it, and it made sense. So the first thing I did was a. I did a 17 day fast. And this meant absolutely no food. I was drinking distilled water and I would take an electrolyte as well.

Fasting, what did you feel during that. That period?

So for the first three days, when your body kicks into ketosis, it flips its fuel so it stops using glucose as much, and then it Starts producing ketones and you live off those ketones. It is the most amazing feeling you've ever felt. After the three days, the third, third and fourth day, depending on your metabolic flexibility, you are, you know, you're a bit down, depressed and you want to eat something. But after that, once you break through that, the ketones are like unlocking a drug in your system you didn't know you had. My senses were heightened. I could see things before they happened. I could hear better, I could smell things more. I'd had absolutely no inflammation. I had so much energy from day five onwards that I was just bouncing around the room and I was like, wow, this is an untapped thing. Like, I feel so good. I do not feel like a cancer patient at all. It was, it was amazing.

Well, that's interesting. And you did the 17 day fast and you broke the fast.

How so I broke the fast. I listened to my body. I was like, I was craving bacon, avocado. Avocado and eggs. For some reason I was, my body wanted some fat. So.

Carnivore diet, right?

Pretty much. I, yeah, as I, I broke the fast with that, then I, I saw the, the benefit of lowering glucose in my diet and just enjoying the feeling that I had there. So I went into a restricted or, you know, glucose restricted diet. Now it wasn't, it didn't mean that I didn't have any glucose whatsoever. I just avoided the absolute maximum. I actually got that keto, keto mojo and I was measuring my blood ketones and glucose daily to try and maintain what was allegedly a therapeutic form of ketosis for cancer based on the very few studies there are out on there on it. But I was like, well, that's something I can do for free. I just need a bit of self discipline, which I have. So, so yeah, I did that and I, I was calorie counting and God, I was losing weight. Geez, Ian, I used to be 235 pounds before I started cancer. I'm six foot. I was very well overweight to the absolute. So after that fast, and I must admit, I was doing fasting two to three days a week from September of 2023 because I was having issues from the cancer that I didn't know were issues from the cancer, but it was digestive issues and no pain, no, nothing like that. It was just simply, you know, what I was seeing in the toilet bowl. Basically, I was like, oh God, something's not right. So. And I, so I was, I was, I was familiar with fasting, but not a 17 day. I was trying for 21 days but at the end, at the 17th day my body and it wasn't like I broke down or whatever, it just felt odd to keep doing it. I was actually, you know, before I was actually enjoying it and it just felt like I don't have to eat. This is amazing. And I got to the 17th day and I was like, yep, we've used up all the stores. You need to refill us.

So how much weight did you lose.

Over my cancer journey? So from 2020, January, February 2023 to 235 pounds and for the Australians or anyone else that's 110 kilos to just before I went and did chemo I was oh and I had the ostomy installed So I was £160 at my lightest. So I lost £70 overall. I've luckily gained that back. Now I'm back up to 190. Oh, I lied. 200. Had a good weekend.

Now during this process, were you doing research on other alternative methods in order to deal with your rectal cancer?

Yes, I very much subscribed to Jane McClelland's how to Starve cancer and that wasn't through diet. She was actually looking at how to block receptors on the cancer cells to prevent its typical uptake, its metabolic uptake. And there is surprisingly some pret good studies out there for off label drug use to, to work adjunctively with cancer. Sorry, the standard of care treatment. So I in my head like I didn't want to I forego the, the natural or the standard of care purposely because I wanted five months to see what I could do and to see if there was an improvement. So as of December 2023 to May of 2024 was my window and I was, you know, I every day I was at the gym, every day I was eating, I was counting calories, I was, my diet was pristine. You know, I flipped from keto to vegan. I didn't go to carnivore because as I'll get it get into in a second. My cancer really likes lipid uptake. So fats, liversaturated fats. So the hard part was is like well how do I know what to target? How do I figure that out? And what Jay McClellan sort of pointed to is you have to figure out what genotype your cancer is. And the hard part about that is there is so there's thousands of variations of what you could have. Like we could have the same cancer, rectal cancer, stage three rectal cancer. But My mutations might be different to yours and that will instruct certain proteins and cells to take on more of, I don't know, glucose compared to mine which takes on more lipids. So it's, it's, it's a real hit and miss. And this is what was hard with cancer. So I knew that I had to find a nurse practitioner to, or a prescribing doctor I should say, to get those drugs for me. And then I went to, I went to a naturopath to consult with them to see what they had on offer. I knew that they had hyperbaric oxygen and they had vitamin, intravenous vitamin C, they had intravenous artesinate, they had, and then I had all the off label drugs as well. I tried to achieve a process called ferroptosis which is weaponizing the iron, the iron in your blood to kind of sneak reactive oxygen species or you know, oxygenated species into the cell. And so what you do is you, you, you impregnate the, the ferritin, you weaponize the ferritin in your blood and when the cancer takes it in, it sends all this oxygen into the cancer. And typically cancer can't survive well in a high oxygen environment typically. And it depends what mutations you have because some of them can. And I was trying to achieve that. So the drugs I managed to get was what is actually found to be very useful alongside chemotherapy and the rest was metformin. I was using atorvastatin which is a statin. I was using hydroxychloroquine. I was using an nsaid. Aleve, which is an nsaid, is a non steroidal anti inflammatory drug. I was using doxycycline through the naturopath. I was using mistletoe injections. I was on mebendazole which I managed to get a prescription for. Very hard to get in Canada. They don't, they don't like holding that around because we don't have parasite issues. I was also using methylene blue and at this point I wasn't using cannabis. I didn't have it yet. And I was trying to find a supplier at the time. But what I did is I started pairing those, I started to understand the mechanism of what these treatments actually did. So you know, metformin targeted the glucose uptake into the cell. The IV vitamin C can actually mimic glucose in your blood and when it takes it into the cancer cell, it can have a negative effect on the cancer cell. It varies depending on the, on the person and if they have any comorbidities or whatnot, and depending on the mutations and depending on about a thousand different things. But I did the research, and I learned that my cancer actually liked it, liked the lipid uptake. So that's what the atorvastatin took care of. Well, I tried to take care of it anyway, the best I could. Glycolysis. My cancer upregulates glycolysis. There's also glutamine metabolism. Now, the hard thing about glutamine is your body actually creates it. There is no getting rid of it. You cannot suppress your body. You cannot suppress the cancer of the uptake of glutamine. You never will. And if you do, you die, basically, because you need it for everything. There's also an amino acid metabolism involving asparagine synthesis. So especially with Kras oncogene mutations, which is what typically people have on the left side, colon, and the rectum. I knew that, you know, it needed these things to grow. Also autophagy, and that's why I took hydroxychloroquine, because that actually, they found that it retarded its use of that mechanism. And autophagy is basically the cancer cell instructs cells around it to destroy themselves so that it can eat the parts out of it to feed itself. And that's what can lead to cachexia, the wasting away of the body.

So when you were taking all this, what led you toward cannabis suppositories?

So I wasn't. I was never a cannabis user, a heavy cannabis user. I didn't even like it at all, to be honest. I didn't like the feeling that came from it. I didn't like the high. And I did. I did try. I tried a grain of rice. Like, I made. I made my own stuff at the first batch, anyway, I made it Rick Simpson way. And I tried a. Yeah, probably half a grain of rice, maybe a grain of rice. And I went to Mars. I was absolutely out of it. I couldn't move from bed. It was. It was. I was like, okay, I'm not going to be able to do a gram if I can barely do 100 milligrams. So, you know, I was okay with the suppositories because I learned with the suppositories is it actually becomes systemic through. So originally I thought it was the portal vein. So the portal vein is kind of like, for lack of a better term, is the carotid artery of your midsection around the hips. It typically feeds the liver and a bunch of insides in There. So I was like, well, how can I get it systemic through that way? Because what I want to do is trying to avoid the enzymatic metabol or having it broke down by enzymes in your digestive tract, which releases the THC effect or the psychotropic effect. And I was like, oh, well, if I stick it up the other end, then it'll actually get absorbed into the blood vessels at the anal verge, and it will go through the iliac vein, which will get on the track to. On the highway to the portal vein, which will actually send it systemically throughout my body without having to ingest it. So that's how I could get that high dose. And I was doing probably a gram and a half a day. And I did that consistently for. I'm gonna say I did it almost continuously because I found a supplier, you know, and lots of people, they asked me, it's like, oh, so you're taking cannabis so the high helps you get better from can. From cancer? Said, no, it's. No, it's. And then I'd explain it the way I have just done then. And, like, the eyes glaze over, and they're like. They're looking at some kind of excuse to get high, but I was like, I'm not getting high. And, yeah, a lot of the times.

You mention suppositories to people and they just say, oh, my God, I can't do that.

I have a saying for that, Ian. I have a saying for that. If you. If cannabis oil is not your favorite dish, feed it to the chocolate starfish.

So you were taking cannabis oil for several months, and then you went for a CT scan. Tell us about that.

Yeah, so my original diagnosis was. Okay, so the way that they diagnose is a TNM diagnosis. So T stands for tumor, N stands for nodal metastasis, and M stands for metastasis to other organs and whatnot. So my original. So December, when I had the MRI, December 2023, I was classed as a 3B, and my T was a 3. My N was a 0, my M was A was a 0. So when the CT scan happened, they noticed that it had grown, it had gotten bigger. They noticed that it lit up three lymph nodes. I think it was heading upwards. And they. They couldn't confirm from the ct, but they. They thought that I had something called emvi, which is extra Miller. Extramural muscular invasion. And. Yeah. Anyone listening to this, please don't quote me. It's been such a long time. I've probably forgotten half of These words. So what that meant is the cancer was hunting for a vein. It. And I, I feel that that was testimony that either one, it was just progressing like it normally does and all of the stuff I was doing was absolutely not affecting it whatsoever. Or two, I had managed to stop the spread or the metastasis or slowed the metastasis from what I was doing and it started to starve that much that it started going for a vein to get the nutrients it wanted that I was depriving it of. That's my theory. I don't know exactly for sure, but basically I got the call, you know, that my five months, six months was up. And when it got worse, I said to myself, okay, you're in, you're in, you're in a fight where you don't have the tools or the knowledge to beat this. You're a late stage cancer. You need to go and figure out how you're going to get through chemo, because that's your next step. And, and you know, my, my treatment protocol for it's based on the Protege 23 study, which was done in France. They actually followed cancer patients with my cancer for I think it was 10 years, don't quote me on that. But. And they followed them for 10 years and they found a 75% success rate with this form of treatment for non recurrence after five years. So, you know, some people had a recurrence after five years, some people didn't. But what I liked about that study is the median age group was like 58, 65 in between there. So I'm like, okay, well, I'm a bit younger, you know, I haven't got any comorbidities. I'm healthy as all hell. I've researched into adjunctive treatments that can help. Supplements, pills, therapies, etc. I'm going to try and synergize all of that together to see if I can increase the efficacy of the chemo. Based on the medical literature that's showing just a little sign of hope. It didn't have to be much. I was like, who cares? Throw the kitchen sink at this. You have a Kras mutation. That is, that is a nasty thing. That's actually in pancreatic cancers pretty commonly. And yeah, don't, don't mess with it anymore.

So when you started chemo, what was that like for you?

So I went through the Folfirinox protocol. The folfirinox protocol is sometimes what they use in pancreatic cancer patients, depending on their mutation stage, etcetera because they class rectal cancer as, you know, quite deadly and high chance of recurrence. So the new protocol meant that I do six rounds of Fulfirinox, and that would be every two weeks. And I would be attached to chemo those six times. And so one round of chemo would be 46 hours attached to chemo. So I would go to the clinic, I would do two to three hours of intravenous chemotherapy, and that was Irena, Tcan, oxaliplatin, leucovorin, and then the five fu would get attached to me at the end. Now, Irina Tcan, the oncologist, described to me, he goes, it actually unwinds DNA. And on my first round of chemo, they had to give me. And it's very common for them to give me a shot of atrophying because it. I was sweating profusely, and that's the chemo kicking the water out of your cells during that time. So they gave me that shot, and I was good to go. I was on cannabis oil during the chemo because I remember Corey saying, you know, the chemo patients, the cancer patients go through chemo, fly through chemo with the cannabis oil. And I was like, what have I got to lose? I might as well try it. Yeah, I did multiple other supplements and things where I was learning how to try and boost the efficacy of the chemo, but also protect my healthy cells the best that I could. So, yeah, the. The chemo experience was. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be like. And maybe it was because of the state that I was in, the physical state that I was in, and maybe it was the Rick Simpson oil, and maybe it was my mindset, I don't know. But I wasn't afraid of it because I just had all this training on being, you know, jabbed and getting the intravenous stuff put through me that I was kind of used to being jabbed and having something put in me. So, yeah, before my first round, I had to get my port installed. So you're basically awake on the table. They shield your face and they cut into your collarbone, and they install this catheter into the. Into a vein in the. In the middle of your chest. You don't feel anything. It's. It wasn't. I didn't feel any pain or any discomfort or anything. So if anyone's worried about that, it's really nothing. Just don't think about it if you're a bit squeamish. But I'm not really that Squeamish. So it's just like, yep, do what you want.

You know, when you sent, when you sent me information about your, your condition, you said that the cannabis oil helped you get through chemo with, without side effects by about 75%. So in other words, the cannabis oil helped you. And I think over the years we've done this program, Corey and I, before her passing earlier this year, people we've interviewed who have done exactly what you did have exactly the same response. Chemo wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Because of the cannabis oil.

That's correct.

And I think that's fantastic. Now you underwent chemo, you were taking your cannabis oil, you didn't experience some of the symptoms, physically and emotionally, I guess that a lot of other people experience. When did you stop that and when did you get your diagnosis that you were cancer free?

So it was. I probably didn't disclose the extra treatment that I had to go through because my protocol was six rounds of Fulfirinox chemotherapy, then 25 rounds of VMAT radiation aimed at the pelvis, and then another six. Sorry. Then surgery to remove the cancer, then another six rounds of FOLFOX chemotherapy, which is a standard digestional tract chemotherapy. So through the first six rounds of chemo in June of 24, I was on cannabis oil the whole time and didn't. And so not knowing what it was like to not be on it. So the typical symptoms you get from chemo is vomiting, diarrhea. And going back on my story a bit because my, because my bowel closed, my rectum closed 95 to 99% because I took so long to take treatment. They installed an emergency colostomy bag back in June of 2024. So, you know, the diarrhea and all that wasn't a problem for me because I had the ostomy bag. I did not throw it once. I did not. You feel kind of nauseous, but it's not nausea. You're drugged up for the nausea. You're on metoclopramide and on Dansetron, which is pretty common anti nausea drug. And they, they kind of. Yeah, I, the only, the only symptoms I experienced was a cold touch. So reaching into the freezer because of the Oxala Platinum. It's a platinum based chemo. You know, the cold touch. So you get the pins and needles in your hand. It's not very painful. It's just like, oh, geez, that's weird. Okay, don't touch cold things. Okay. And just lethargic Like, I didn't really do much when I was attached to the chemo or a few days after I wasn't. It was like the chemo, it feels like it pulls you into about a thousand pieces and then you've got to rebuild yourself. But it took about two days after disconnection that I was back to normal. And I was. I was going to work during chemo, obviously not while I was attached to the chemo. But, you know, I. I felt fine. I didn't really have any issues. So to answer your question, so after the radiation, after the surgery and then into the FOLFOX chemo, I decided to experiment because that's what I've been this whole time. And I did my first round of FOLFOX with absolutely no cannabis oil in my system. And, yeah, I was sick. I was. I've never been that sick in my life. And I felt the full brunt of what chemo was all about when I. When I did that. And then I went, right, never again. And I brewed up some more cannabis oil suppositories in that time. I took it with a slight caveat there. I said to them I was having such a hard time after the first round of chemo that they said, okay, we'll drop your dose to 80%.

So.

And they also dropped what's called a bolus injection. So a bolus injection is just a quick shot of the chemo to get you started sort of thing. It's like a syringe and. And then they attach the bottle to you, which is a pressurized bottle, which is where. Where. With like a little fanny pack or whatever. And you just walk around, you go to bed with it, you attach to it for 46 hours from there. So, yeah, when I was on the cannabis oil, I was almost normal. I could sleep well. Although once again, I didn't feel the effects of the cannabis oil. It was just. I just felt normalized. It just felt so much better going through it than without it.

So was your medical team, Was your medical team aware that you were taking cannabis?

Yes, they were aware that I was taking all of the drugs I was taking. They were aware that I was taking cannabis oil. And they. They actually agreed with the cannabis oil. They said, you do whatever you need, but they wouldn't recommend it. They wouldn't. You know, they. They kind of. I'm sure they've come across a lot of cancer patients this day and age where they're using cannabis. And there is actually studies that are showing that, you know, 10 milligrams THC. So a THC gummy taking that during chemotherapy does offset the side effects of chemo, at least with nausea. And I tried that a few times and it works. And you get a nice little nap as well. At least that was my experience. So, yeah, I think they're warming up to it a bit more now. But it's, you know, oncologists are what is the best evidence given everything else doesn't matter. And that is based on whatever their, whatever is handed down to them from the tumor board. So for those out there that haven't been through cancer, your case, at least in Alberta, Canada, and I'm sure in most places of the world, because I've heard it before, your case goes before a panel of the top oncologists, radiologists, radiation oncologists, sorry, and surgeons, etc. And they decide what your treatment is going to be based on your diagnosis. So if something about cannabis that's got some phase 3 clinical trials that has shown efficacy and it's met the standard of the criteria of what they want, they don't pass it down to the oncologist. The oncologist is just the foot soldier for whatever the, the tumor board dictates, basically.

Yeah. So when you got your CT scans that showed you were cancer free. Tell us about that.

Well, actually I had something better than a CT scan. So they, they, they for, they, for. So after I had the surgery, they, they didn't send me off for a scan. I had a scan after the radiation and they found that the radiation, it didn't have a good response. It didn't really kill the tumor that well. So that was my last, that was the MRI that I had in, I'm going to say November of 2024. And that was, that was the final scan I had. So the way that they checked it now was in their heads. It's been cut out, it's all gone. He's managed, it's managed to stay localized for as long as it has. Chances are it's not going to get up and boogie and take off. So my post follow up for it was the surgeon wanted to give me a full colonoscopy because the, I'd never had a full colonoscopy the whole time I had cancer because they couldn't get past the tumor because it was at the top of the rectum. So they'd only have to go 6cm up and they're blocked. There's a big donut in there, basically because mine was a circumferential tumor. So I had a colonoscopy and I stayed awake and I watched every single video of it while I was high on drugs. God, they give you some good drugs on the colonoscopy. And yeah, you. Basically, I saw the. I saw my whole colon. There's absolutely nothing in there. He found one polyp and he removed that. That got tested and proven it was not cancerous. But yeah, that's, that was that. In my opinion, that's. That's the gold standard for the colorectal stuff. Is, is that. And yeah, I was pretty, I was pretty happy with that. But it was kind of like a. It didn't feel like you achieved much. You know, like you, you've done all this work, you're doing this and that. And then at the end of the day, what cured me was the surgery really, and maybe the potential for the, you know, the chemo before. Because my first rounds of chemo, I had a CT scan follow up from the first rounds of chemo and the tumors shrunk by 5 millimeters, 6 millimeters and 7 millimeters on another one on the nodes. So, you know, the, the chemo was working and I would like to think alongside it, using the cannabis oil as well, adjunctively probably gave it a little kickstart because, you know, that's. They've. They've proven while there's no major studies, because they're not going to study it long, long term to get that sort of thing that we wanted. But it, you know, it prevents angiogenesis, which is the uptake of. So it's where the cancer starts trying to get a blood supply and bring blood vessels to increases apoptosis, so program cell death, which is what you want. And there's a few other things, but it's, it's. There's something there that really, really does help you, I think. And it might have something to do with. It might have something to do with activating the endocannabinoid system and your body does something with that. I'm not sure. But yeah, it definitely blocks the CB1 receptors. The CB2 slows down the ceramide production in the cancer. It modulates the tumor microenvironment. It's got better immune surveillance. Enhancement with high THC increases oxidative stress. Proliferation inhibition. So like, it's do it a lot. And especially proliferation inhibition specifically for ras oncogene or Ras MAPK and pi3k akt, which is one of the main cellular processes that the ras ALKA gene optimizes and THC does decrease the cancer cell proliferation in that because it blocks the cell cycle progression by down regulating the survival pathways. So I think there's something there for cannabis and I really wish a little bit more came out about it. But the end of the day, you know, you could advocate for yourself and give it your best. Go and try every. Throw the kitchen sink at it. There is no such thing as, oh, if I drink this tea, I'm going to get better. If I take this cannabis oil, I'm going to get better. If you've got a late stage cancer, you throw the kitchen sink at it. There is no such thing as doing a half ass to something that affects your life.

Yeah. How has your cannabis, cannabis journey, your cancer journey, how has your, how has it changed your perspective on life?

I'm a master procrastinator, probably like quite a few people, you know, I've got so many inventions in my head. I'm an innovator and I like to build things. I'm a millwright by trade. I'm currently doing project management at the moment for my company and I learned a lot about task management and understanding finances, procurement and things like this. So, you know, I, before I went on my cancer journey, I was trying to build a custom barbecue because I get right into smoking meat and doing barbecue and it had to go on hold because I was full time becoming an oncologist with a participation award. So. So yeah, I did that and it was funny. I had a lot of clarity. I was like, wow, the first design I had was pretty crap. And I realized I can, I can do it now. Like, I can, I can build it better with the perspective I have now. And it's because you kind of have a little bit more of a value for what you have before you had cancer. And you're like, go build it, go build it. You know, you don't know when it's going to come tapping on your shoulder again because unfortunately, I have a high chance of recurrence, so I have a high chance of it coming back. But I'm hoping I'm in that 75% of no recurrence. But yeah, I'm under mono. I'm under surveillance for the next five years now. So I'm looking forward to a trip home to see my family. I haven't seen them in six years and I've got nieces and nephews I haven't met yet. So I lie. I saw my parents. They came and visited me on my cancer journey in 2024. But yeah, I just want to go and see them. And you know, I suppose you, you realize your little brush with death and you value things a little bit more, feel a bit more motivated.

Yeah. Interesting. Brenton, thanks for doing this. We'll, we'll keep in touch with you and hopefully in five years we'll see, do another interview and you'll be one of the successes.

Absolutely. And thank, thanks for all the work you do, buddy. Your podcast definitely got me through, helped me get through cancer and it was really nice listening to yourself and Corey, God rest his soul. And thanks for all you do. And please keep doing it.

Will do. Appreciate it. Thanks very much.

Thanks.

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