Episode 464: From Addiction to Healing: How CBD Transformed Joe Garcia's Life

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Welcome to the Cannabis Health Radio podcast. I'm Ian Jessup. Addiction is a battle that many face in silence. But today's guest is breaking that silence with a story of resilience, hope, and transformation. Joe Garcia of Phoenix spent most of his life struggling with depression and substance abuse, starting at just 13 years of age when he became addicted to cocaine. From there, his journey spiraled into crack and meth addiction, and for years, he lived a life that seemed impossible to escape. But today, Joe is here to share his incredible journey from rock bottom to rebuilding his life and how cannabis and CBD played a crucial role in that transformation. Joe, good of you to do this. Greatly appreciate it. When you walk down the street and you see a drug addict, what goes through your mind?

A couple things go through my mind, but I think where I land most is compassion. The understanding of just the desperation just to get that next hit and everything that goes along with that, the degradation of your self and your worth and your values just all go out the toilet. And, yeah, so I have deep compassion. And. But, you know, then there's also the. The side of it is there's some concern and, you know, safety issues, too. I was around a lot of bad people and a lot of bad things happened. And unfortunately, in this day and age, it's a little bit of both.

You know, I was really, really surprised that you were into cocaine at the age of 13, because I look back at myself at 13 and, God, I was just smoking. But you were into cocaine. How did that come about?

So that's an interesting story. So I have an older sister, and at the time, she was dating a guy that my parents did not approve of and for good reasons. But so my parents would make me go out with them when they went out on a date for third wheel kind of thing, thinking that was going to stop them from doing whatever they were, were doing. And it didn't work because after it was during the 80s, so, you know, you know, pool halls and video game arcades, that's where we'd go and they would sneak off into the bathroom and I thought it was to like, make out and stuff, but then after a little while, a few times of that, they actually showed me what they were doing and they brought out this glass Tray and had a mound of white powder on it. And they just started snorting cocaine right in front of me. And I'm like, oh, well, I want to try some of that too. And because of the depression and the things that had happened to me in the past, it was like, oh, yeah, this is what I've been waiting for, looking for all my life. This is the cure all for me. And I was, that was it. It was off and running. And it didn't take too long for me to end up, you know, at a bottom. And I think I was. Before even turning 18, I went into my first rehab.

How is your sister still alive today?

Yeah, she's still alive. Living out in California.

Yeah. So when, when you started taking cocaine, how did you, how did you obtain it? How did you get the money to buy it at such a young age?

Well, the great thing was that they always had it, they were working people. And so I ended up being, you know, the third wheel. But it was a great thing for me and my addiction that I was starting to, you know, it was starting to blossom. And, you know, there. I learned to drive a car at 13 years old stick shift. I would drive them when they were too, when they were too impaired to drive. He lived up in Costa Mesa and we, you know, we were in El Toro at the time, now called Lake Forest. And so I learned how to drive at 13 years old stick shift, you know, so it was really reinforcing. But when that stopped and went away or whatever, I got involved with obtaining it and selling it to my friends as well. And so I always had some. And I had jobs mowing lawns and different things like that. But cocaine is expensive. And it was primarily the contact with my sister and her boyfriend.

When you talked about your use of cocaine and you said it was something that you kind of looked forward to all your life because of the depression. What was the depression about, do you know?

You know, I've never gotten to the bottom of what was the, the root cause of all that. And you got to know too that I wasn't, I didn't know I was depressed. I didn't have anything to compare it to. I just thought that's how everybody felt and lived. And again, this is the, you know, late 70s, early 80s, and I was acting out a lot in elementary school. And so when I did find, you know, weed, we started smoking weed pretty early age. I think it was like 10 is when I started smoking weed. It was just, I was, I was self medicating and I didn't I think it was self medicating before they even had a term for it, to be honest. Yeah, And I just wanted to feel something different. But I don't know. I have my suspicions and later on things would happen again. And there it's all I'll say, sexual abuse, you know, essay type stuff, you know, At a very early age I have memories which I think were, I thought were dreams maybe or just I don't know what you would call them, but there's flashes of some things in there from people in the neighborhood and such. So I would have to say something happened or I'm just chemically imbalanced at some point and it just came out that way. But I really don't have any answers for the early onset of the depression later on, you know, 13, 14 years old. Then, then it became a. Something additional happened and that made it very clear. But early on, I just don't know.

When you say something additional happened, you want to talk about it?

Yeah. I mean that certainly fueled my addiction, my, my drug and alcohol use. Yeah, I was, I was, I was. Yeah. I had an older cousin, he was same age. I have a brother also. My brother's five years older than me, my sister's six years older than me. And this cousin was about my brother's age. And my grandfather had passed away and it was the first real close connection of somebody that I knew that had passed. And so there were some feelings there and didn't really know how to process that. So drugs and alcohol were in, in my arena and so I was using that quite a bit. Well, this one cousin kind of took me under their wing. I thought and would listen to me, male cousin and I. All the attention that I wanted to get from like my brother or other family members really to talk to me about what, what had happened with my grandpa. I had some feelings. This person would listen to me and you know, we'd go out and do stuff. He had a girlfriend and his girlfriend had a little sister my age and we went to Disneyland. It was that. So I spent the night at his house and the night before we went to Disneyland, I woke up early in the morning and you know, he was doing stuff. And that really messed me up. Even to this day I still have those, those struggles, you know, because when you're that young and that your first experience, it gets imprinted on you and embedded in. That's just the way I believe God made us so to unite in that first. That's why, you know, we should get married and all these other things. But I would learn that stuff later. But, yeah, yeah, that. That's what happened. And the drugs and alcohol fear fueled that. We'll call it a relationship that lasted a lot longer than it should have. But I had no idea. I figured, oh, this must be who I am. And I struggle with that most of my life.

So when you were on cocaine, how long were you on cocaine before you transitioned to harder drugs?

Well, cocaine's not necessarily a lighter one or an entry level. Yeah, that's kind of right towards the top. But as long as cocaine was. Was around, that's what I did. And it. It progressed from snorting it, and I started having some nasal issues and, you know, light bleeding and, you know, just irritated all the time. Lost incredible amount of weight. I was never a, you know, a chunky kid anyway. And that was another reason why later on, it. Weight led me back to it, but it was not working anymore. And in the crowds that I was working or living around, they started doing freebase. And so that was before crack. So back in the day, they would use ether as the medium to, you know, ignite and stuff. And that's highly flammable. We know what happened with Richard Pryor, and it had already happened by then, so I was aware. But, man, smoking, it was. There was. That was next level for me that. That took the snorting it to. I was just. I was literally in heaven constantly. But I didn't know how to do that on my own. I always had to rely on other people. Then later on, those same people introduced shooting it up. And that was the definitive moment in my life. I had gotten a needle, gotten a spoon, got it. And I had seen him do it enough. I'd never done it. I had seen him do it enough that I figured, okay, I can do this myself. And in my bedroom, probably family downstairs or whatever, I was ready to go and ready to inject it. I was drunk. I remember that it was like a literal light went off. Moment of clarity, they call it. And it says, you do this, you're gonna die. And I called my girlfriend at the time and said, hey, I got. I need some help. And by this time, I was already. I was, like, 17. I said I was already graduated high school, and I was working for a guy that was a major importer from Columbia of cocaine. So I kind of progressed in that. But I told her, look, tomorrow when I'm at work, just before cell phones and stuff, when I'm at work, you call my mom and you tell her that I Need help. And no matter what I say, tomorrow you make that phone call. Well, I'm at work the next day. I completely forgot about everything. And I get a phone call at work and. Or whatever it was, and I. Yeah, I think it was my girlfriend called and said, hey, you need to go home. Your mom is waiting for you. I'm like, what? What? No, I totally forgot to call her the next morning when, you know, moment of reason and came. I didn't call it off and I, oh, no, this is the worst thing ever. And so I go home and it's funny now, but they had already talked to the insurance company. They'd already talked to this place called Starting Point in Costa Mesa, of all places, which is very like a mile away from where my sister's boyfriend lived and where we would go. And so when I came in the door, he was standing by the front, by the stairs. I go up to my room and he was standing there like a, you know, a soldier. And because they'd already told him, whatever you do, do not let him out of your sight, once he knows he's going in, he's gonna. And they were right, because that's where I was. My last hurrah was upstairs. All my stuff was upstairs. And I wanted to. I'm gonna go into rehab sober. Are you kidding me? And so that's what happened as I went into a starting point. It was a 28 day program back then, and I got introduced. I'd already had a little experience with AA because of a friend of mine had gotten a dui, so I'd go to AA meetings with them. So I already kind of understood. But it was the first time since probably 10 that I didn't have a substance in me whatsoever. And it felt good. It felt really good to be that clean. And it didn't last. There was quite a few, you know, struggles and missteps along the way, but that's also part of recovery, I believe.

Yeah.

So that's. That's how I came to my moment of clarity.

Did your mother or your parents know all this time that you were taking drugs?

I don't know what the actual honest answer is. I would say, how could they not? So by this time, my sister had already gotten in trouble. She'd already gotten pregnant at a wedlock. Not that that's neither here nor there, but that was just something that had happened. She wasn't with the same guy. My brother got kicked out of regular public high school and had to go to a continuation school. So all the Signs that every single one of us had some issues was. Was there. I was skinny. I don't think. I don't remember how I treated them, but there was a couple of times coming home drunk. So they knew. They had to have known, but I don't know that they fully bought into that. It was cocaine. I think that when they found out that. Because in these rehabs, they have the family day, right? And you. You share things and, yeah, I think that blew them away. And you need to know, too, that they never. Well, my mom's since passed. My dad's still alive. My brother's still alive. My brother's the only one that I've told in the family about this. And my sister and I have been estranged for a long, long time for a lot of different reasons. But I. I think the signs were there. But again, I'm the third kid. I would find out through this process that I was a surprise in the family, not necessarily a planned, you know, pregnancy thing. And, I mean, I'm sure they're blessed now, but back then it was a little rough.

So I think, yeah, you were into rehab, and then you had some lapses, which you said is pretty common. And how long did these lapses last?

Okay, so the. The first one, I got a rehab. Then my sister got married. I was sober through all of that, and it was about six months because I had decided that, okay, it's time for me to actually enroll in community college and get my life together. And I did. And it was probably about six months into sobriety, Going to AA every day, going to codependency meetings, NA meeting. I was doing all of that stuff. All the stuff they introduced to me, I was doing. But I, I. It was in college, and it was in one of my classes. I think there was a conflict with somebody. I had a girl I was dating, and one of the other guys just. Just stole her or whatever. But I don't. Anyway, so I think that set me off a little bit. And then I was also trying to date. Like, I grew up Catholic, so I knew a bunch of girls from school that were Catholic. I just need a good Catholic girl. And boy, was that eye opening, because the stuff they were actually doing was, you know, not as worse as what I was doing, but none of that helped me. So I'm finally like, wait a minute. I'm. I'm the most boring person that I know. I used to be so much fun. I was the life of the party. People loved it in my mind. Right. Yes, that might be a Different answer. But so in my mind, this is, this is. I'm so young, I'm sure I could. Now that I know, I am sure I could do better at maintaining it. You know, it's all about, you know, not getting excessive with things, right? All these lies we tell ourselves. So it was about six months and I relapsed and I searched out for my sponsor. He was a guy that I met while I was at starting point and I couldn't find him. And turns out he had relapsed down in Mexico and nobody ever heard from him again. So I was kind of stuck. And I was about six months, I relapsed and the relapse itself lasted. I say it was probably about a year. And yeah, it was about a year, within a year, because then I had another situation pop up and I actually went to my parents and said, hey, I need to go back. So it had. It got to where it took me three or four years before or whatever it was, or 13. Yeah, four years or so to get within. Within 90 days. I was right back to doing amounts, the levels and the behaviors that I was doing. So. And mind you, cannabis was always in there, but it was never really. I used it to bring me down mostly to kind of get me to the point where I wasn't such a freak, you know.

What, what was your lowest point throughout your journey?

There's been a few, and they're different sequences of my life, but in that time period, it was that evening, I had gone back to the people that I was partying with before, people I knew from high school, and then of course, those other, other people, and something happened. I just got set off and I remember putting my, my hand through where they have a fire extinguisher and there's some glass there. Oh, yeah, I punched that and I ripped open my hand. I was bleeding everywhere. I needed to go to the, the emergency room and my friends took me to the emergency room and I was just so out of it. They're asking you questions left and right. I was in no condition. I should have said attorney or something, but they're asking me all these questions and I guess based on the way I answered the questions, they thought I was trying to hurt myself. And so I got put into probably it was like a 42 or 48 hour, 72 hour hold at a psychiatric place in Santa Ana, California. And I mean, that was wild. That was. I was in like, this is. These are not my people. I mean, I just got a drug problem, but I don't have these kind of problems. And so then from there I went back to starting point for a second stint and. But it was, it was that night I just. A lot of things went bad that night. I said some things, some police were involved, and at that time, that was bad. You know, I kind of hard to hide this, and so it was bad. I think I brought some shame to my family a little bit and of course to myself. And some of the things that I said, people had to be notified. It was just a huge mess. I felt just like such a huge ass and a loser and. But, you know, I found myself in the right place, which was a psychiatric hospital, learning some of those things, tools and such, and then back in rehab with the experience of, no, I don't got this. This is a little something different.

When you went back to rehab, was that the last time you were in rehab or did you relapse again? That was the last time I would.

Relapse many, many, many times throughout my life. By the grace of God, right now, I just celebrated 10 years clean and sober. So you do the math. Like. Well, there's a. There's a lot of years of there, but there's a lot of years of sobriety mostly, but bouts of relapse that were just progressively worse as the years went on. So. But yeah, I was in. I left that place and again, the insurance at that time and instructed my folks that he needs to go into a sober living right after he gets out of this. And that was a 90 day program. It was called Yorba House, and that was in the Orange area of California. And that was. That is what I needed. I. I was surrounded by a lot of different levels of drug abuse and there. And also mental. A lot of mental things. And I got to see my sexual addiction as an underlying thing that was really driving some things. Again, that struggle. Am I gay? Is that what this is about? But hiding it and denying it and living that way or whatever. And so going to the opposite extremes, it really exposed a lot of things. But from there I started going to aa and I would stay. I think the first time around I made a year, Then I relapsed. Then I got. Let's see, I was married. Actually, I got married shortly after. I figured my life was over, you know, I might as well get married. But. But I always loved kids, always wanted to have kids. So that's, that's what really drove me. So in 1990, I got married. So we're talking a couple of years here. I graduated high school 87. First rehab 88. 89. It's probably 89. And then a year later, I'm getting married. So, yeah, I stayed sober for about a year that first time, and then I made. Then I got married. And it was about five years. Yeah, it was about five years at that point. I stayed sober for five years straight. My oldest was born. Never knew me drinking. And then the depression hit again, and I went back to cocaine and discovered meth at that time, too.

Wow. You know, listening to your story, it's interesting because you've been 10 years clean. So just in my calculations, you started when you were 13, and you're 10 years. So you were into your 40s by the time you got clean. Do I have that right?

Early 40s? Yeah. Yeah. And again in between there. There's a long period. I got married, ended up having two kids. We ended up moving from Orange County, California, to out here to Surprise, Arizona. And I was, what, 11 and a half years sober at that time, married 17 years, and then the marriage fell apart. And that would eventually lead me back to drugs and alcohol first, then drugs and. But cocaine had changed. It was now crack. And so I was introduced to crack. And, yeah, then it was until 10 years ago that I was pretty much using off and on. There was again, a year at a time here, sober, whatever. But for the most part, I just. I had a falling out with my kids, so I didn't have them in my life. And so there was just a lot of things fueling that depression. Like, who really cares, man? I'm just gonna live my life, live my best life, not hurting anybody. You know, my dream was to end up on an island somewhere with endless supply of cocaine. And that's it. That's what I wanted. That was my big goal. You know, my. Why in life was that? And just sick, really sick.

Tell us how CBD helped you in your transition to sobriety.

Yeah, and it's been a real miracle find. And I'm so grateful to have met Al Marentin. But it starts when I had gotten married again, and that, of course, that marriage didn't do well. And I found my way back to California, and I met a lady who's now my wife, and we met under really strange circumstances. But, you know, I was using and all that stuff and, you know, had to hide it from her. And we eventually moved in together, and she was already working out with Al. He had a, you know, fitness club that. That he was doing training on and everything. And so we would attend that, and I got to meet Al, and then he started having these little, you know, seminars about cbd and he shared his struggle with his glaucoma, and it was just really impactful. And so as soon as he started making the CBD available, was in capsule form before it started off that way, it really helped. And I started to learn about the whole cannabinoid system and how it's been depleted. I was already aware of, of the conspiracies of, you know, the tech, the modern medical, you know, AMA and all that to take away these things that were actually helping people and providing nutrients for people and demonizing them and making people that used them as to be criminals. But so when he started talking and giving his talks on things in the 21 day reset, I started taking it. And, you know, in the back of my mind, I really was hoping I'd get high in some way, shape or form, but it didn't. And it wouldn't be until probably sometime later I would be able to reflect back and go, I haven't had cravings in a while. Because the cravings were. Especially in that last stint, they were constant. There was always reasons to let my mind wander down the path of, yeah, you know, yeah, so you. You've been doing okay for a while, but, you know, and those, they just weren't happening anymore. And I look back and go, yeah, CBD didn't make me feel high or. But what it did is it just quieted or mute those voices. I'll call them voices for no better term. That kept leading me back into relapsing. I was able to get a. Yeah.

When you talk, I really understand what you're talking about because CBD just kind of relaxes your body, does it? It just brings a calm to you that we're under so much stress and anxiety in our lifestyles today. The CBD brings it all down. It's almost like it says, just relax, just be quiet. And I think that's what happened to you. I mean, Al Marentin is a guy we've interviewed here. He's the guy who he. He goes blind if he doesn't take his own oil within seven days. Goes blind from glaucoma. And he has a company, MyFitLife, which we are affiliated with. We're an affiliate of Al's. And I think it's just remarkable what the CBD did to you and how it really transformed your life.

Didn't really did. I mean, you hear the story about how I was, how I thought and how I live My life, how I made my decisions and choices in life. And CBD for some reason, you know, gave me a pause in that and said, hey, let's explore over here. And my creativity has gone through the roof. You know, I've been doing acting since then and, you know, different things. And just the creativity side of it is really been a blessing because I was so reserved before. Even in that crazy life, I was so reserved and conservative and. But it really did. It allowed me to just all that energy that was going out to quell and quench all that, because it was all self will for a lot of years, just quieting that stuff. The CBD came in and it's not just cbd, it's the right CBD that's grown in the ground, that's, you know, natural and organic. All that stuff plays into it. You gotta get. I had to have the right cbd. And I'm so grateful that I met Al because he is patient number one. If he doesn't have the right stuff and grow in the right way, he starts to go blind. So I'm fortunate that I didn't have to go search out all the different CBDs or have an experience where, you know what, it really didn't do anything for me. Like, I hear a lot. So it was looking back going, wait a minute, I've been sober now a couple years. And you look back and go, wow. I think that CBD really had a part to play in that because I didn't have the cravings and that struggle and I wasn't reacting to life's events. Life didn't change incredibly for the good. It was pretty much how life is. You know, there's good times and there's bad times. And it just seemed like it took the levels, you know, the extremes and kind of medium them, you know, put them right in the middle. And so, yeah, and my energy was being able to be restored, so I was able to channel that into good positive outcomes and, and things. So, yeah, it's, I take it, you know, to this day it's just a part of, of my morning routine and, you know, sometimes in the afternoon as well. And how much do you take? 100 milligrams a day? Yeah. So two. Well, I used to take the capsule, so it was 250s, but now I'm doing, you know, like a dropper full of that.

Yeah, it's really interesting. I wish someone would do a study on this because I think you go along the west coast of North America and you go into any city, and you get to areas where people are just strung out, and they're. Quite frankly, I'm gonna be very blunt, they're a fucking mess. And we have it here in British Columbia. The leading cause of death in British Columbia is illicit drugs. And you just see people smoking crack on the street. They're bent over, they're huddled in tents, and it's a mess. And you think, what a wasted life. What an absolute wasted life. And if someone just took some of those people aside and said, try cbd, and as you say, it's got to be the right cbd, so that's got to be worked out. Maybe these people can get their life back, because you got your life back, which is absolutely remarkable. And there doesn't seem to be any solution. Nobody's looking for a solution to this problem that I can see.

Yeah. And, you know, there's a lot of. Not a lot of money in curing anybody these days. So it is a byproduct of the system that we're in. And unless there's a overhaul, which, you know, I don't want to be negative, but I don't see that happening. Yeah, yeah. It's a grassroots thing. It's a word of mouth. Hey, try this kind of thing. Maybe some of the recovery centers and detox centers, you know, getting them to start. I mean, because when you're like, when I was in rehab, they just give me a little cup of pills. I didn't know what they were. And you take them so they could implement, you know, CBD in that way to. To them and. And do a study that way. But I don't know, maybe RFK Jr. Will do something. Who knows?

Yeah. Joe, you have a remarkable story, and I'm just wondering, what would you say to folks who may have a loved one or an acquaintance they know who is really strung out on drugs and they want to help them. What advice would you give them?

Yeah, I mean, I. I would encourage them, number one, to. To find a faith that they can go to lean on. You know, this person does need prayers, and those. Those things definitely help. It's so hard because there's so many different kinds of level of addiction out there. Like me. Me, I. I was not somebody that wanted to disrespect my family. So I was brutally honest with them about everything that I was doing, probably more so than they needed to or wanted to hear. But, you know, encourage people to be that listening, ear, judgmental. You know, there was some of that at the beginning. You know, My dad didn't understand. He said I needed to stop when I was drinking too much and I stopped. Well, I didn't. That didn't resonate with me. I would encourage the families to get involved in a. You know, I think Al Anon is a great system for providing some tools for family on how to, to separate with love, you know, distance with love kind of thing and not lose their mind. Celebrate. Recovery is also a great one if you're a faith based person to get into and seek that kind of support. Because nobody knows how to, how to deal with an addictive person rather than an addict. And hearing from them. What helped are those things. And I think there's still to this day it's a lot better than when I started because when I started on cbd people thought I was breaking my sobriety because they just didn't understand. So we had Al come speak at a conference that my wife and I put on and he talked about what CBD is, what it is not. And that was really eye opening for a lot of people to realize that oh, this doesn't show up on a drug test and like, like you're doing something wrong. No, there's nothing wrong with cbd. God put it into the earth for this exact reason. And so educating yourself as, as a family member to somebody that what they're going through and you know, introducing CBD. You know, my FitLife Al CBD product, a great way to do that. And you know, I don't know how long it would take for them to start seeing and feeling differently, but I have seen enough to know that those cravings will start to dissipate after a while. But it needs, there needs to be a support program involved in there some way shape or another because we do things and we experience things when we're in our addiction that requires. Require us to get help. You know, a lot of stuff that, you know, just taking something's not going to fix it all the way. There are some root things that have happened to us that need to be talked about and dealt with in the right environment. And that does start with the love of the family to understand that I may not know what you went through or what you did or what you had to do or what you saw. And that doesn't matter. I'm here anyway.

Yeah, a lot of it can be psychological. You know, it's not necessarily a physical addiction. It's a psychological problem that results in a physical addiction.

And yeah, I, I do think that we, in my story and the people that I know we, we behave ourselves into the mental problems that come. That I believe. Now sometimes there, there are things that happen to us that are out of our control when we're little kids. We didn't cause that, we didn't ask for it. And then sometimes because of those things or other, other things that we experience, the solution is to not feel it. And look at, kids are growing up nowadays with commercials on that. Tell them, oh, you feel this, you feel that. You don't have to take this, take that, take that. And so the natural, they're programmed, and I think it's by design, but they're programmed to reach for something to fix them. And these things cause problems. And the amount of chemicals that go, I mean, methamphetamine, goodness, I didn't know it was in. In there half of the time. Those chemicals in our system, as I will tell you, in our bodies are not meant to be. There are poison and they cause problems and physical and mental. And of course, spiritual. It's a spiritual battle as well.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I think it's. It's a lot of, a lot of different arms of the same problem. But things happen to us as we're. When we're little, we experience some kind of form of trauma. And your trauma might be different than mine, but it's, it's what it is. And it's not an excuse, but it does set us on a course to reach for something. And the world is all too ready to give that to us in ample supply.

Joe, I really appreciate you sharing your story. I think it's of kind to resonate with a lot of people and I think you've been very bold in sharing your story and I want to thank you very much.

Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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