Episode 479: He Wouldn't be Alive Today Without Cannabis

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Yeah, yeah.

Now if you.

Itp. For sure.

Yeah, let's call it itp. If you had not found cannabis, where do you think you'd be today?

I would, I would definitely not be here talking to you. That's pretty for sure. I didn't have, I don't think I had much longer with the narcotics and the drugs that had me on. That in itself, other than the fact that I could have, I could have actually bled to death off a paper cut or even internally, you know, so I had to, they had to keep me on steroids in high dosages and blood transfusions in order to keep my platelet count up to where I wouldn't bleed to death. So, so basically the same as if you had AIDS or leukemia or lupus, mainly AIDS or leukemia because you, that, you know, your platelets get eliminated, your immune system and is weakened. So I had the same thing, but no diagnosis. So they checked me for all of them and I was cleared, but I was still dying. So I was a, I was an experiment is what I was. A very rare case at my age. They had interns coming in with doctors and talking about my case and such and. Yeah, so that's. It was, it was, it was, it was a crazy experience, to be honest with you. And.

Yeah, I can imagine. So this was in 2007, before you went to see a doctor. What sort of symptoms were you experiencing?

Well, for about, I'm going to say six months, I was experiencing extreme like fatigue and I was tired. I was. My trade throughout my life has been in the collision repair industry. And I had a. I had one of the largest shops in Michigan at the time and had a 24, 7 tow company and a service center and a salvage yard and all this combined. So I thought it was stress. I thought I was just working too much and I was under a lot of stress, you know, so. But I kind of worked through it. I had a house right next to my collision shop. It was a 50,000 square foot building. I had a house next to it. And I would go up in the afternoon and take naps for like an hour or two. Never did that before. And I was real tired towards the end of the day. And then I got worse and worse. And I really noticed because I'm not, I wasn't even a, a drinker back then, but I did have a drink when I was with some friends and I got really weak and I felt like I was gonna pass out off of just one drink. And I'm like, you know, I thought something's wrong with me. Again, I thought it was stress. And then there was one day I was walking up my, up to my office at a second story office in my collision shop and I fell down the stairs backwards. I was so weak, I couldn't, I couldn't even walk up the stairs. And that's when I went to the emergency clinic and they drew my blood and then they said, you need to go to the, you need to go to the emergency room. And I went to the emergency room and they kept me in there for two weeks because I was unstable. So they, then, then they started the testing. You know, that's when the testing started, the spinal taps and everything. I mean, I can't even tell you like how many tests I, I went through trying to figure out what was wrong with me. And I had no, I wasn't using cannabis and I wasn't really an advocate. I knew a couple, I knew my employees used it and I didn't really bother me, but I just, you know, being a businessman and stuff, I, I was just, I did when I was younger and I wasn't really opposed to it at all, but I just personally wasn't. And when I got sick, I, I was just doing everything they told me, which consisted at one time of up to 16 different pills in one day. And it was, you know, so it.

Sounded like they were. It sounded like they were throwing everything at you just to see if something worked.

Yes. It was kind of like a mechanic that don't really know what's going on, so they just try to start doing, you know, different replay in my case, taking parts off, you know.

Yeah.

You know, instead of putting new parts in. But it was. So, yeah, I did. My final straw was the splenectomy because they tried shocking it with high dosages of steroid to where my hair was standing up. I couldn't sleep for days. And then they juiced me up with Ambien. So I'd pass out and then I was just this complete drug addict like within just a month. It was just unbelievable. And every time I would go in there and tell them my symptoms, they'd give me another pill to take until I had this big bag of them, you know, so.

So you were taking 16 a day?

Oh, different pills. Yeah. And then some of them I had to take 12 pills, like the steroids, you know, they're 120 milligrams. I mean, it was just ridiculous. And, and that. So I always say if the, if the, if the disease itself, if I wouldn't have bled to death or, you know, if that wouldn't have overcome me, the drugs were definitely going to get me like, probably quicker than the disease because I would take a handful of pills in the morning and I knew that within one hour I was going to be thinking about nothing but wanting to leave this world. Honestly, I went from being a big business owner. I had two young children. I had, you know, young boys. I was a single parent, had sold everything, pennies on a dollar, nerfed myself in an apartment and prepared to die.

Wow. God, that. Yeah. I know in talking to people and who have been in situations like you have and they just want to. They want to slip away because it's just so emotionally troubling. I mean, that's. It's tough to get through that, isn't is.

And I mean, my prayer was that I would die because I had a two million dollar life insurance policy and I thought, this is how my children are going to be taken care of.

Yeah. How long were you in icu?

I was in there over a week. And then they kept me in, you know, the hospital while they did the testing and such, but just to stabilize me. And while I was in there, it was crazy because they're like, don't touch. You know, don't, don't do it. Don't bump yourself. Don't anything. And I was sitting up in my bed and I was watching the television. I went to change the channel with my remote and I rested my arm on the, on the bed, and it literally bruised me from my, like, my wrist to my elbow. And then they had to watch that to make sure I didn't bleed out, you know, from, from that. So that's how crazy it was. So brushing my teeth with my fingers, could not shave. I mean, it was, it was pretty rough, but thank God I was going to church at the time and then had been going there for quite a long time and, and a young guy come up to me and this was, this was 08 or I got sick in 07. And then. Right just before 08, well, 08 come around.

Before you get into that, Rob, I just, I want to ask you one, one question about, about the, the doctors wanting to remove your spleen. Why did they say they wanted to do that?

They did it. They didn't want to. They did it. So they took, like I told you, just removing stuff to see what happens. And there was nothing wrong with it. It wasn't swollen. There was absolutely. A matter of fact, I asked for it. I said, I want my spleen. And they're like, you can't have it. So I don't know what they did with it, you know what I mean? But they didn't. Don't let you have your own body, I guess, anyway, so they took it out and that was my deciding factor, or that was kind of like the last straw, I think, with the medical system, because I, I had already come across the Rick Simpson story and, and done a little research, you know, after, after the story, I'm going to tell you about the young man telling me about it.

Yeah.

You know, before I quit doing the medicine, I already knew, knew about it. You know, I knew about cannabis before I actually quit the medical system. I still hold now. Wasn't even doing cannabis or anything, letting them continue what they were doing until the splenectomy. Before you have an operation, when you, when you have no platelets, they give you a blood transfusion so you don't bleed out on the table, and then they take out your part and then you go back to the doctor and, you know, get your blood tested again to see where your platelets are at well, the first test was good, and we thought it was successful because I had still the blood in my system from the trans fusion I had before the. Before the operation. While the next test, it dropped back down to dangerous levels. And that's when, you know that. That's when my journey with cannabis started. I'd say I went to go back a little bit. This young man come at. Before this happened, this young man at church, Eric Gunnels, he come to me. He's a cannabis advocate here in Michigan. He has a club. He has. He's on the township board. He's very political. He does a good job. And he come up to me in church. I known him. I held him in my arms, literally, when he was a baby. He said, you got to try marijuana. I'm like, are you out of your mind? I'm like, the scientists don't know what's wrong with me. The doctors don't know what's wrong with me. What's marijuana gonna do for me? Are you out of your freaking mind? You know, that's the. I was mad that he would even say such a thing, and. But it stuck in my mind, and I'm like, what's he talking about? You know, and then I honestly, I went on YouTube, and back then, believe it or not, 2008, there was like three videos with cannabis. One was the Rick Simpson story. There was more than that. But the ones that stuck out to me was there wasn't very many, put it that way, the Rick Simpson story. Joe Rogan had the union, and then there was Dr. Raphael from Israel. He had a bunch of. Yeah, he had a bunch of, you know, seminars and different things he had posted up. And so anyways, I studied. I studied, man. I was studying my immune system even before that, because I was like, okay, I'm a mechanic, a master mechanic, and a. How could. What's wrong with me? So I started studying the body, and I was like, okay, my immune system is saying autoimmune disease. They don't really know it's in the immune system somehow. So I just started studying that type of stuff. So when I was. Look, when I was listening, the doctor and from Israel, he goes into detail. And I kind of knew because I had been studying the immune system, what he was talking about. And then he started talking about dosing, and then I. And then he was, you know, the different cannabinoids and what have you. And then I went back to the Simpsons story because he obviously every, you know, any. Any decent advocate at least owes him to himself to watch that story, if they haven't. But watching his entire story, I knew the guy wasn't selling anything. You know, he was, he was giving this away to everybody. He had doctors and patients, when he went to court, backing them up, you know, and then just, just, I just could tell this, he's not lying. This is something that's real. And then what really pushed me over the edge was when during my research, I, I was googling patents because there's several patents on cannabis, right? Several thousands of them throughout the world. And they act, and they're acting like, oh, now we can study it. Well, where these patents come from if we haven't did no studies, where you getting these patents from, right? To the molecule, you know. And so anyways, I found this United States patent US 6630507B1. And it literally, the, the finding is cannabinoids, that's antioxidants and neuroprotectants. And in this patent in the abstract, they had autoimmune disease listed right in there. They said it's a prep. It's not only a treatment, but prophylaxis, which means it's preventative. Okay. And, and I write in between this and Rick Simpson story and then the research I had done on hemp, industrial hemp itself, on how Henry Ford made a car out of it, how this was in our medicine up until the 40s. I've got the bottles, I've, I've got a collection. I've collected hemp artifacts, really hard to come by from the old days. But I've got Henry Ford's original magazine with his car in it, his hemp car, 1941. I've got hemp plastic, I've got hemp, everything you can imagine. And I was become obsessed with this. And that's when I knew this plant is really going to help me. This is, this is what this pat, Patents don't lie. And that's 32 pages right to the molecule. And the Dr. Raphael, he, you know, he was doing the, they were doing the treatments over there. So I mean, you could go get treatment in Israel if you had enough money, you know, to get them. So we were, we become. This died through this research is. And then our forefathers grew this stuff. I mean, I just couldn't believe that it had been taken out of our history. It blew my mind. So after my research and finding this US patent, that's what I said to myself, if this splenectomy does not work, then I'm going to use this oil because we just became a legal state 2008. And I was. Got sick in 2007. And the minute I said, what, what are my options now? And she said, well, there's an experimental drug, another drug called end plates, and it's 600 a week or radiation. And I had fortunately been, during my blood transfusions, able to sit in a room and watch people. They were getting radiation treatments while I was getting transfusions. And I seen, no matter how old or how young I seen them people just dying right before my eyes, you know, And I was like, what is going on here? You know, And I determined to myself that I was not going to do that and that I would go full bore in the Cannabis. And I 40th from that day I walked out of there, had not been back to the hospital yet, but one time 10 years later for a broken tooth and they had to draw my blood and my platelets were perfect. So.

That's amazing. Yeah. Tell me about the very first time you tried cannabis.

So, I mean, I tried it when I was a kid like everybody else in the 80s or 70s, 60s, you know, whatever, I imagine. But I, yeah, we tried it, but I quit when I was at. I quit at a young age smoking cannabis because I was in a church and this and that, you know, religion, whatever it was. I just didn't, you know, I wasn't really. I'd quit for quite a long time until this stuff come around here and, And. But the first time I tried it, after I walked out of my doctor's office, my blood doctor, and told her, I basically told him to F off, and I left. And then I directly went and got my got with Eric. He got me my license. We went to the doctor, I got certified, I got a card in the mail, state certified certification. And I, I went right to a Compassion club. It's very hard to find. In 2008, there was no place to go. There was no. It was luckily, luckily enough in Michigan here, because of our laws, they started forming in these little Compassion clubs where you could actually go and get medicine until you could find a caregiver or do grow your own, which is not that easy if. If you've ever grown before. So regardless, they had these little clubs and I went to this club and it was full of just guys with long hair, gray hair and beards pretty much. And that's what. And so I was asking around like, do you know about this oil, this Simpson oil, You know, Rick Simpson oil? And. And I come across this One old guy, and sure enough, he had some. And I paid $80 for a gram of it in 2008. And that's how much it cost. Yes, it was that hard to come by. It was that, you know, it was that scarce. So. And then to even get it again, you were lucky. So. And you didn't know what you're getting, you know, you didn't know if you're getting alcohol in it. You didn't know what was going on, but you didn't have an option at that time. So that's. Even the lesser grade. Cannabis seems to work somehow. You know, it's just that. That amazing really. But.

So you got, you got this one gram. Did you. Did you start taking a half a grain of rice?

Not even less than. I'd say that because I, I would say I would consider myself a lightweight when it comes to, can I have it? You know, tetrahydrocannabinol, kind of a lightweight. So what I was do is take a toothpick and literally just pick it and get a little bubble and put it in my mouth and take that. And I would try and do that throughout the day. It's the only way I could do it. And if I got just a little bit too much, oh my God, like short, literally, I sold my company, pennies on the dollar, was in this room nerfed, waiting to die, and then the next thing you know, I'm living right? So I'm like, what am I going to do now? Then I'm not dying. So I went and I got a job marketing for a body shop. And I started doing their marketing and helping them with estimates. I took a little bit too much Simpson oil one day and that's. I learned the lesson. I couldn't talk, I couldn't feel my arms. I. I was sweating. I was just waiting for the day to get over. It was terrible. So. But yeah, I started with little, little dabs, and then I would. I worked myself up and I did start smoking cannabis. I will tell you that. I did change my diet. I did start eating health. I cut the fast foods out. I just. Because when I'm studying my immune system, I'm starting to find out, whoa, you're doing all kinds of stuff that's not good for you. You know what I mean? So I started cutting all that out and just be living more organic and healthier and. And so I'm sure that all has to do with it. And I have to say, I don't know, it was placebo. I felt so Good. After I started taking the oil and went back to work and wasn't dying any longer, that, you know, I just, I, I wasn't being told I was dying. Every week, every time I'd go in to get my blood transfusion, and negative one, one negative statement after another, it was unbelievable. So that's why I never went back to have my blood tested until I absolutely had to. 10 years later. I didn't want to hear about it. I really didn't want to hear about it.

You mentioned a very interesting point, Rob, which I think some people ignore when taking cannabis, is that you have to have a clean diet. You can't consume processed foods, a lot of junk food, which people do. I mean, many people realize that once they get to a health crisis like you arrived at, and they've got to do what they can, they've got to change their habits in order to survive and be well. And I think you did that, and I think you're to be commended for that. Now, you were taking the cannabis oil with a toothpick. You're, you're like me, a bit of a lightweight, and if you have too much, you just get buzzed like crazy. And did you, how soon did you start to feel, you know what, this stuff is working? I feel better.

So I, I, I, honestly, it helped me detox off of all them drugs I was on. It took me about, I think I, I think I literally quit doing 16 prescribed. Well, I think it was down to 12 at the end. I can't remember. I've got, I still kept the bag of pills just for a reminder, I guess. And anyhow, I, it would took me like about a week to detox, and I literally went back, went back to work after not working for over a year and a half right away, boom, like, and I felt good that quick after detoxing off of several narcotics that were, you know, and so it not only helped me detox, I really just stayed. I really just took Simpson oil more at that time because I wasn't working. And then I, I, you know, consumed cannabis, smoked cannabis, and I felt I went from dying to living instantly. I mean, it's, I just, it was just a change in my mind, honestly. But physically, a week, I'm gonna say a week I was back to work and going like a crazy. I went and got my license, or I went and got five patients and become a caregiver. And I, I planted my first outdoor crop, and we're allowed to do 72 plants here in Michigan, which is more than anybody we're still allowed to do this and we're able to process, we're able to grow, process and provide our patients with cannabis in any way, shape or form that we see fit. And that's what I've been doing for 17 years. Thousands. And then once we got once that because of the hemp license, I was able to serve more people, people that didn't use cannabis, people that, you know, I would. It was at the time I did help people with other cannabinoids. While I had my dispensaries, I would actually get people off of THC and on to other cannabinoids. It was amazing, you know, to see the transformation. I, I got, I, I got so obsessed with cannabis that I bought my own chromatograph. In 2016, I started testing cannabis. I had a lab provision center, license provision center. Before there was in a law, my township gave me a license, right. So we were running, I was running a 247 drive through in Michigan in 2016. I mean that we. And, and I was, I had an MD there. We were certifying patients by the dozens. We were, I was serving fresh cannabis, I was serving cannabis juice, I was serving cannabis, you know, cannabidiol water. I mean, I, I started importing from Charlotte's Web at the time is the only place you could really get, you know, cannabinoids other than thc. And then we started being able to get the isolates in the distillates shortly after 2016. And that's when I could start COP, you know, getting that working on that patent that I found and getting it dialed into what it actually is. We weren't, we didn't. The, the straight up Simpson oil is what I use. It takes longer and it's harder if you can't take the th, you know, the tetrahydrocannabinol. If you, if you're, if you have a harder time with that, it takes a lot longer, right? You got to take less oil with, with the cannabidiol, cannabidger, cannabino with them. Cannabinoids that don't give you the cyclotropic effect and a little bit of tetrahydrocannabinol. According to the way this patent is written, you can ingest a thousand milligrams a day and feel wonderful without even getting high. So I become like the get healthy, not high guy because I was just trying to help, you know, elderly, children, people that didn't want to be high. I didn't want to be high. But it saved my life. Don't get me wrong, I smoke, I use cannabis in every way, shape and form. Now, you know, I have no problem with recreational or anything. If you want to recreate with the medicine, be my guess, it's better than a poison, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's better than drinking alcohol or anything like that. I mean, you're actually improving your health by taking it. I think one I've said, one of the things that I've said in this program over and over and over again is that people have a misconception about cannabis. And quite frankly, I was one of them before I met Corey. People have a misconception about cannabis because they believe that all people do with cannabis is smoke and get high. And they don't realize that it is for your better health. Even smoking can improve your health. And I think that's one of the educational factors that we've tried to instill in this podcast, is that it's not only about smoking, it's about improving your health. It's about the endocannabinoid system. You ask a doctor what the endocannabinoid system is and some doctors won't have a clue. And that is, that is really sad. That a system within your body that helps create homeostasis, it helps to balance your system, helps your body work better and be more functional and healthy. The doctors don't know about. And I think what you've, what you've done to yourself is remarkable. You're to be commended and I think it's really fascinating. But I want you to tell a story that you, you told me before we started recording about the woman and the six month old baby, the parents.

Sure. So just at the beginning of 2020, I had met up with a doctor, Dr. Cal Asparis. He was a do. And he had, he come to meet me, he's introduced to me through a mutual friend and we just hit it right off and that it's funny you say that because I started asking about the endocannabinoid system, didn't know what I was talking about. He kind of knew, but he didn't really under, you know, he, he didn't understand that the vital cannabinoids and endocannabinoids and the receptors. He didn't understand all that stuff. But so I educated him and we had an excellent working relationship because what he was passionate, he wasn't about writing a certification for money. He was into how can I help these people that need help with cannabinoids. And he didn't know anything about them. But he, he's a doctor, right? So he's using his skills along with mine. So we made a, we teamed up. He became a 25% partner of mine and what we did was we would get the patients, he would go through his normal exam, he'd give you very thorough, you know, and he, he would recommend other things. It wasn't just cannabis. So whatever he thought would help you is what you got. Well, cannabis seemed to help in a lot of situations. So he would call me in after his initial and then we would have another consultation and he'd fill me in. And then because I have been giving this, this oil out for so many years, I've become to understand especially going from servicing people that use primarily cannabis to people that don't use cannabis, I became, I kind of understand what somebody needs to start. I could be. Do you sleep well? How old are you? How often have you used cannabis? When you do use cannabis, how do you feel? How do you use cannabis? I become like, I can almost, I can almost know what you need. And it may take me a time or two, right, no more than three usually to get you on the right dose and what's good for you. But. So he'd bring me in there and then I would, we would talk about it and then I'd come up with a formula and we would, we did so much R D through this program, it was ridiculous because we were getting strips into nursing homes and being able to service. I service several children, not just Anastasia, the one that, that I told you about earlier, but in her particular case, after me and Doc started working together for a while and getting some of these formulations locked down, we had a, a woman that found out about us and she had a young, her daughter just had a baby. The, the child was in the hospital, they were having se. She was actually having like a hundred seizures a day and they had her on some strong narcotics and they come to me for help. Me and Doc and I, we didn't know what to do. Like, like we've never had a six month old. You know, we had worked on like kids, you know, 10, our, our youngest, I think before them was like 13. So anyways, we said let's get her certified. So. And we were only going to give her. Can I have a dial? Can I have a jail and cannabinol? We weren't going to give her no tetrahydro, Cannabino, you know, right off the bat. So we got her, we still got her certified in doc certified or we got an MD certifier and then we started distributing her through drops. It was just a dropper bottle, you know, like a tincture bottle drops and boom, man. Within a few days they got her completely off the narcotics. It was the narcotics that were going to get her the same as my situation. Right. That they would help the seizures, but they were, they're toxic and it's a million other side effects. Right. So yeah. And she's still our patient, three and a half years old. So I'm gonna have, I'm gonna have remind get a hold of you and you can interview.

Yeah, that would, that would be remarkable because she was having 100 seizures a day at 6 months old. I mean, my God.

Yeah, continuous seizures.

Yeah, that's, that's tragic. That's true.

It was, it was, it was tragic. But she's extremely healthy now. She's not having the seizures like that. We do got her on suppositories now. We, she administers her cannabinoids through suppository and yeah, everybody's healthy and happy. So that's one of, one of many. We've had children that were going to be taken away from their parents and put in home. We had one that was, you know, he was autistic and self harming and hurting his mom and sister. And we were able to work with him and get him. He's, he's doing excellent. I mean he's absolutely doing excellent and he's never had to go to any home or anything. So.

Yeah, that's great. Rob, what misconceptions about cannabis do people have that really frustrate you today? Continually come up and you get a little pissed off.

You know, I don't, I don't, you know, the cat's obviously out of the bag now. I mean there's so many. Like I said, there's patent after patent after patent no one ever talked about. There's all the evidence of the, that it was up in, you know, in our medicines. I'm talking from cough syrup to, you know, neurological medicine made in Detroit, Michigan. You know what I mean? Just what frustrates me honestly about people is they can't think for themselves because I show them the patents, I show them the evidence, I show them the reasoning and they still. It doesn't register. It's almost like programming. So I think getting over the programming, you know, the 80 some years of this is bad and throwing people in prison. You know, I think that stigma is still there actually. When I got into this 17 years ago, I thought people would be staying in line to come and see me. I was so happy to be alive, overcoming a idiopathic disease that no one could, you know, do anything about. I honestly did. And when I found out it wasn't like that, I was like, wow, you know, so I've been working on trying to educate people ever since then. So it's just the fact that it's just, I, I don't know. I mean, any more of the evidence is out there. So what are you gonna say? What are you gonna do now? It's legal in several states. Recreational. I mean, everybody sees it's not dangerous. They've been allowing us to do this in here, in Michigan, here, for almost 18 years. Grow, process, and provide not one lawsuit, not one liability case. Are you kidding me? 17 years? Is this stuff dangerous at all? At all? So I, I, the misconception is beyond me that with the evidence it shows now, but yeah, I would just say it's old programming that gets me more than anything. And, but did you know your presidents grew it? Did you know, you know that Henry Ford made a car out of it? Did you know that it can feed you? How's you clothe you provide all your energy and all your medicine? Did you know that? You know, but so we do, we promote it in every way. I've got a, I've got, I promote hemp hearts, hemp seeds. I, I actually got a website where we, we, we sell them because I think people need to add hemp hearts to their diets because it's the most reasonable way that you can eat healthy and organic without spending a lot of money. What's better than that? And they don't taste bad. And you add them to your eggs. You add them, you know, so I'm promoting cannabis in every way because it's such, such a, such an amazing plant. I mean, absolutely.

Rob, how can people get a hold of you who, who are listening to us today?

So I've got a web, I've got a website, and it's Community Wellness dot Life. That's Community Wellness dot Life. And you can, you can get my phone numbers on there, you can read my, you know, story on there. You can see what we, we've been up to and what me and the doc formulated. All the products on there are designed for my life. I use every one of them every day. And there's a lot on there that have nothing to do with cannabinoids. I'm talking about eating healthy. You know, we've got a honey. We got an infused honey that comes from our third generational wild flower honey farm, you know, and it's infused with cannabinoids. It's. That's excellent for, you know, younger kids that have a hard time. The honey works great. It's got a million other benefits other than the cannabinoids. And it makes an excellent preservative too. But so we've got products like that, even coffees and stuff. It's really, it's just about a whole lifestyle of healthiness. And I figure if you're going to do it, why not do it with something that's not full of approved poisons and pesticides, you know?

Yeah, exactly.

It's just about education and trying to provide something, you know, healthy for people and a different type of lifestyle. And I, I think it's coming around. I feel there's a rise in consciousness as far as thinking for yourself, you know what I mean? And taking your health into your own hands. Because we're smarter than they lead us to believe. If I could fix your car wrapped around a tree, I can easily figure out how to fix something going wrong with my body.

No, Rob, you have a great story and it's an inspiration to others who are looking to become healthier. And I greatly appreciate you reaching out and, and I want to thank you for doing this. It was fascinating listening to you. Thank you.

I appreciate you. Thanks for the opportunity.

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