Episode 499: Looking Back, Looking Forward

Welcome to Cannabis Health Radio, where we share powerful real-life stories from people around the world who are using cannabis as medicine. The goal of this podcast is to raise awareness of the healing potential of cannabis and is not intended as medical advice. And now, here's your host, Ian Jessop.

Welcome to the Cannabis Health Radio podcast. I'm Ian Jessup. This podcast is a little bittersweet for me because it's the last one I'm doing before I pass it on to the new host of Cannabis Health Radio, which will be Robin Swann of Swann Apothecary, and she's here with us. How are you, Robin?

I'm good, Ian. How are you?

Good. I get asked a lot, uh, why I'm leaving Cannabis Health Radio, and the reason I give to people is that in March of next year I will be turning 80. And when you reach my age, the exit door of life gets closer and closer. And I don't have any major health issues that I know of, But I want to start concentrating on myself, and I want to live many, many more years because my granddaughter is only 3, and I want to see her. I want to see her grow up, and I want to have fun with her. And so I'm passing this on to you. I know that you will take the podcast forward. There will be experiences of the heart, of the soul. Technology will change, but stories never change. And helping people live a better life, saving lives, is extremely important, and I know you will do that. Now, you wanted to interview me in this podcast.

I do. I think that, you know, you've been such a great steward of this platform, and you know, Corrie, again, like we know that Corrie healed herself from her cancer and that she made that her life mission to share, to preach the gospel of cannabis. But you hadn't had that experience, so I'm very curious, Ian, how did you come to this platform? Like how did you decide one day, I'm gonna start a podcast called Cannabis Health Radio?

Well, it started when I got fired being a talk show host here in Victoria. And when I was a talk show host, I used to play clips, some YouTube clips, which I didn't realize at the time was illegal to do, but I did anyway. And I played this clip of this guy in the UK who cured himself of cancer using cannabis oil. And then I get this email from this woman saying that I did the same thing. I had I had cancer and I was given 4 to 6 months to live and now I'm cancer-free. And I thought, oh great, where do you live? And she said, Victoria. I said, perfect. So we set up an interview, came into the studio, and I talked to her for a bit and we took some calls. And God, there were calls from all over North America, so I guess she got her contact list going. And so I interviewed Corrie about once a month. Every—

So just to— I don't want to interrupt you, but this was your first meeting with Corrie? You two were not friends before this? She just heard your radio show and reached out?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we did it for a year and a half, and then they started firing people from the radio station. And I was on the list, and I got fired. Matter of fact, it was June 21st, 10 years ago. And so I thought, okay, what do I do now? And I had coffee with a friend and we sat there for about an hour and a half and he said, start a podcast with Corrie. And so I contacted Corrie. I said, do you want to start a podcast? She says, absolutely. So we started the podcast, did one every weekday for 11 months. Which was pretty onerous and a lot of work. And one day we kind of looked at each other and said, "You know what? There's got to be something better than this." So we quit. We quit for 2 years and then Cory and I continued to have coffee. And one day we suggested, "Why don't we start a podcast? Start the podcast up again and do one a week." instead of one every weekday. So we did that, and here's an interesting story. We were looking for somewhere to do it because I sold the equipment that I had, and I didn't want to do it in my place because the place we lived in at the time, uh, was in a basement, and we moved. And so I found this spot that was for available. And the woman said, uh, Cory and I looked at it and said, oh, this is perfect. The woman said, what's your podcast about? I said, medical cannabis. The next day I got a message from her saying, sorry, uh, cannabis is illegal, we can't do it. So, um, a fellow by the name of Ron Zahar here in Victoria had a recording studio, and Ron was a delightful man, is a delightful man, and so he lent us his studio to record the podcast. And we did that, even did that during COVID and during COVID the studio was closed, and Dan Humiston in Colorado was available, contacted us, and Dan is still recording our podcast today, and we thank them very much because without them we wouldn't have been able to do it. But you know, the stories are just so absolutely bloody fascinating. And Ramana, I want to tell you an email I got 4 days ago. This is from a fellow in Ireland. He was episode 487, he and his dad. He said, "Hi Ian, just a note to let you know Dad, Ned, Dad passed away on Tuesday. Just a second, I have to get this— God, technology drives me crazy. Dad passed away Tuesday. Anything the hospital did or we did didn't work. Dad decided he wasn't hanging around anymore and came home to die. He died peacefully in his own bed with his family around him. In the last week of his life, he entered a golf tournament, which he won. He truly was an amazing man who fought for his life, and during the last few months, he was the happiest and most content we've ever seen him. And he was a very happy man when, when I interviewed him. He was a great guy. And so it's stories like that that really resonate with you. And, you know, Corrie and I have been brought to tears when we've interviewed people, and big smiles on our face when people have been successful. And it's just, it's very heartwarming. It, I guess, it touches your soul. And when it touches your soul, that's something really, really really magical.

Yeah, I agree. I think that soul-touching piece is, uh, the key driver, right? I mean, that's what gets me up and gets me in my lab every single day, because fighting against all of the regulation— excuse me— that I've been fighting against for my entire existence in, you know, the cannabis industry for 30 years, uh, you know, every single time I help somebody, I've put I put my personal freedom on the line. And so many, and I mean, I worked in professional sports for a huge part of my career making so much more money than as a, you know, somebody making cannabis medicine for people who are, you know, suffering with life-threatening illness. But it never—

I didn't know that.

Oh yeah. Oh, you didn't know that?

No, tell me about that.

Well, I mean, I'm a Structural Integration neuromuscular therapist and my specialty is brain trauma spinal cord injury. That's so, you know, that just led me to— I started working on some NFL players, and then I started working on a lot of NFL players, and then I started working with the Dallas Cowboys, like, specifically for many years. But I've worked with pretty much every team in the league. And then that just, you know, the thing about professionally— professional athletes is that they're married to each other, which is really kind of funny. So some of my NFL players were married to women's soccer players, and then I started working with the LPGA, the women's golfing, and then the men's golfing. And I have to tell you, of all of the pro athletes I've worked on, which are thousands, golfers are the craziest. So I don't know if you're gonna go into your retirement golfing.

No, I've done that.

Yeah, because golfers are always fighting dew point. You know, like your, your, your whole argument with that ball is about the grass, the dew point, and the wind. And, you know, so you constantly have to improve. But through working with athletes, I started, you know, concussions are a huge piece of what goes on when you're a professional ballplayer. And I, that's sort of where I learned how mushrooms affect the body differently, like psilocybin mushrooms, how much more healing they are in certain moments than cannabis is. And I used to, because it was illegal, and I'm, you know, I used to tell people, oh, they'd be like, what is this? This is wild, it smells like dirt. And I'd be like, oh yeah, that's mugwort, you know, because mugwort smells very much like cannabis. So it was my way of like— and I was only working on people topically so nobody would blow a drug test. But, uh, the— my most favorite part is when I was able to like legally offer cannabis products topically. And one of my favorite owners, Jerry Jones, who is absolutely hands down the best, the best man in the universe who owns an NFL team.

He's such a—

Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys. He's such an incredible human being. He really supported me and just bought a lot of my product. You know, all the players were like, "Oh, I feel so good." And then some of those guys I'd been working on for years, and I remember one of them being like, "What? What? We thought it was you all this time, and it's actually this product? It's the cannabis that's so good, not you?" And it was like, oh, I was exposed, and that was it. But through working on those people, you know, I had such an intimate group of people. Their family members got sick. I had family members that were, you know, sick and dying. And it all just kind of like cannabis just brought me to the center of its plant, I think, its structure. And that's where, you know, my business making medicine came from, from working with like ballplayers and their families and then concussions and broken bones. And I started working with a company called Project Walk, which was an exercise-based rehabilitation facility to get people who had spinal cord injuries and brain trauma who were paraplegic walking again. And I created a whole modality of bodywork around that. So it's all been in the same thing. And cannabis has always been somewhere in the mix of my arsenal, you know, from topical to internal. And, you know, I feel really blessed that I've had that ability.

But, you know, one of the things I find really interesting And, uh, is that as you get older, as you get to be my age, and, uh, a lot of people my age, uh, they, they're not very healthy. And, uh, that's because they don't move. You've got to move. Your body has to move. And that's why I ended up getting a job in a grocery store 4 days a week.

I love that.

So I, so I can move. And I stopped— well, I do a little bit of lifting weights, but when I go to the gym, I use kettlebells. Because kettlebells are movement and your body moves. It doesn't move in just one way, like doing push-ups or doing the reps, other reps. It moves and you have to do it. I've been having some tight hip issues. Hip flexors are tight. And so I started doing some kettlebell exercises for the hips, and damn it, they work.

I love those Russian kettlebells. They are truly, uh, you know, I remember I got certified as a kettlebell instructor like 102 years ago when they first came to America, and everybody was like, oh, this is so exciting. And I have say that they are the hardest workout. But the truth is that life is accumulative, and if you do not take care of yourself through your 20s, 30s, 40s, and then all of a sudden in your 50s, 60s, 70s you think you're going to get in shape, it doesn't work like that. Just like your health. Yeah, you know, people will come to this medicine and they'll be like, well, this is going to fix it all. Well, that's just not true. You are a, an cumulative being, and you have multi— you're multifaceted. Once a rabbi told me that the human beings were double-sided and written in code, just like the Talmud. And I, I love that we are double-sided and written in code. And that's why nothing works for everyone, because our own genetic sequence really determines on what's going to work for us. But one thing that works for everyone, and if you're listening to this, no matter who you are, no matter what age you are, Get up and move. Be like Ian. Get a kettlebell, swing it around.

Yeah, it's, and it's a lot of fun, and it is a hell of a workout, isn't it?

Yes, it is. It's, it's really an incredible workout.

Yeah, to the point where I was doing twists with this 45-pound kettlebell, and the next day my rib cage is sore.

Well, I mean, that's a lot of weight, Ian. 45 pounds is a a lot. So nobody who's ever worked with a kettlebell— it's a round ball that has a handle, and so that weight distribution, the way that you hold it as the person, you have to be very centered and in your core in order to not swing it and hit yourself in the head. So if you are throwing around a 45-pound kettlebell, you are incredibly strong, Ian. Incredibly.

I do kettlebell swings with 60 pounds.

Wow. Wow. So Ian's a god. Let's Let's all just know that, that he will be living until he's 102. And if you guys hate me as your host, we'll get Ian back.

But yeah, movement is so important. There's no magic bullet in life. No. There is— but if you want a magic bullet, a minor magic bullet, you have to move. You have to continue to move. You can't sit in your La-Z-Boy rocker and watch TV and expect to live a happy life and eat processed food and junk food and think that that's going to help you. It's not.

Even if you're doing cannabis oil like that, like, I love the story, the email you just shared about Ned, because here we have an older gentleman that was like literally knocking on death's door, but yet his spirit, his soul, very much alive, very much awake. And he's like, I'm not gonna just sit here and wait to die, I'm gonna go home. And then they, they added this magical mystical 5-finger healer to his life, and he was able to do what he loved the most. He was able to golf. He won a tournament before he died, and he left this planet with grace with his loved ones. So sometimes when we're dealing with cannabis medicine and people who are reaching out to me, they always like— they're like, I'm fighting for my life. And my response to them is, you're alive, man. Like, you're already alive. You don't need to fight fight for your life because you're living. What you need to do is step into the center of your life and embrace it and start making adjustments and changes and, you know, little tiny nuances that are going to give you more life. But you're not fighting for something that you're already in the middle of. You are in your life.

Yeah, one of the things that I think, uh, people we've interviewed, the question I like ask is about when they were diagnosed with cancer. Let's use cancer as an example. When the doctor says you have cancer, what did that— how did that feel psychologically? What did that do to you psychologically? Because I know a couple of years ago, Corrie and I were having coffee and I had these growths on my head. I think I've told you about this. And And Cori took a look at them. She says, oh, that's melanoma. And I thought, holy shit. And so I— she sent— did she send pictures of it to you?

I think so. Yeah. Because I know that I sent you some stuff for that. That was the 1:1 formula and the fire kitty. And I think you rubbed it on your head, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And but psychologically, when I started researching melanoma, cancer, death rates, stuff like that, going down the rabbit hole. And my wife Lisa, who I owe a huge debt of love and gratitude towards, who helped rub the stuff on my hair every single morning, and finally it disappeared. But there was one spot on the top of my head that just wouldn't go away. Cannabis wouldn't deal with it. And so she got this fungal cream from the drugstore, rubbed it on, and a week later it disappeared.

Wow.

And there's also the story of a doctor who said that 45%— I think it was 45%— of the patients that he sees who have been diagnosed with cancer, it's really a fungal infection.

Well, I mean, and that's very interesting because on all the science that I've found, I've never I've never seen it as a fungus. It's an autoimmune disease, and it, it, it likens the, the structure of it likens a cold. So, you know, I don't really know much about it being a fungal, you know, honestly. And I, I, I think that this is where people end up with ivermectin and fenben and, you know, doing 32 different supplements and starving themselves and, you know, trying to starve the cancer out of their body. And I think that a lot of this stuff is kind of insane, honestly, you know, as a practitioner, as somebody who has multiple degrees and lots of medical experience. I think it's very easy to run down this rabbit hole and come up with all kinds of crazy things that may work or may not work.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's, uh, but you know, you have to experiment with with various things.

Yes, you do. And you have to know that what works for you is not going to work for everybody. So, you know, I like to teach people how to do muscle testing because this is a very simple thing that people can do, like, with themselves, where they— you just basically ask your body, what is a yes and what is a no? And your body will go forward or backwards and tell you what the yes or no is. And then you can hold either the word of what you're talking about or the actual product and hold it right up to your belly and ask your body, does this work for me or not? And your body will tell you yes or no. It's a simple, you know, doctors would call this a pseudoscience, but we are all knowing as human beings. We have— we're all knowing. We're just in the circle of forgetting. And, you know, so finding that information, that what works for you, is really crucial to surviving.

Is the muscle testing also where you hold out your arm and someone presses?

Yes, you can do it that way as well. Yeah, exactly. It makes you weaker or stronger.

Yeah, that is extremely powerful.

It is very powerful and it's very simple. My dad used to have a saying that was, "The higher the truth, the simpler the action." And I always love that about cannabis because people, when they've never used the medicine, they're very afraid. They come to it, they're like, "What am I gonna have to do?" What to do? And then you explain this very simple process and they're like, oh, okay, I could do that.

Yeah, I was talking to a new guy at work and he is in his 60s and he mentioned the fact, he said, I understand you have a radio show on cannabis. I said, yeah. And he said, I had cancer once. On his thigh, and he used cannabis to get rid of it. And he's a huge believer in cannabis now. He's not a guy you would think would use cannabis. And surprisingly, once you're into this, you discover people who you would have no idea they're interested in cannabis or take cannabis, consume it, but they do. And it's very quiet.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's been with us for always, and since It grows on all 7 continents. All cultures, all ancient old cultures have medicinal cannabis recipes. We are the cannabis plant, basically. We are plants as human beings, basically. So it really is something that's so simple, so gentle, and so healing for us. But let's talk about when it doesn't work, because you have— this is the 500th episode that you've done. Not all 500 people who have come on your show have—

499.

499.

We had a no-show. So I thought, you know, I want to hand this over to you before we go on vacation. So I thought, okay, if it's not 500, it's 499. So let's do 499.

499. Okay, that's close enough.

And which I discovered you know, even in talking to Dan in Colorado, cannabis podcasts don't last very long.

No, they don't. That's why this is such an amazing, amazing platform and something that I will carry in a very delicate and sacred way, because I— of course, Cory was one of my dear friends for a long— like, and we were friends before before Cannabis Health Radio started. And I remember the first conversation when she introduced you to me, you know, telling me about what you guys were gonna do and the challenges that you were having in doing it and the times when you were like, oh, I don't know if we could keep doing this anymore. You know, so thank you for all of us. You know, I speak, I literally speak for the collective when I say thank you, Ian. Thank you for making this a very important important part of your time on this planet and putting this incredible body of information out into the world. So let's talk about the people that didn't necessarily get NDAs, who didn't have, you know, no trace of disease, but still, like our friend Ned, lived a little longer, got to golf. You know, I think that cannabis is always a win.

Yeah. One of the things, when Corrie and I started this, one of the things I said to her, and she totally agreed, is that I don't want to do stories of cannabis businesses that contact us and are looking for self-promotion. I don't want to do that. The most impactful information you can hear is stories that people tell. And many years ago, when I was I was a reporter working with politicians and dealing with politicians and then later became one of their subjects. I worked for a man who was the Premier of British Columbia, which is the equivalent of the Governor of California. One of the things he liked to to do is start any speech with a story. And you know what? You remember stories. You don't remember statistics. You don't remember that the housing market went up 12%, the inflation rate went up 1.2%, aren't we great politicians? No. You remember a story of an individual who was Homeless who got a home. And we were traveling somewhere and he says, "I need a story to start this." And so we're just kind of throwing out ideas and that's what captures the public's imagination. So when Cori and I started this, let's talk about stories. Cori, you deal with stories every single day. Let's have people share those stories. And I think that That's why we have, what did I tell you last time, 3,600 followers on Spotify.

You have 100,000 people following you across all platforms, Ian. You did an amazing job.

Oh, we do? Oh, I didn't know that. Thank you. That's why you have a team.

That's why I have a team, exactly.

Exactly, yeah. Stories are impactful, they're powerful, people remember, and I think that is why Cannabis Health Radio has been a success in the cannabis sector.

Well, for sure. I mean, stories are the key driver that tie us together through humanity, and we could go back to the, you know, the first, the cavemen sitting around the fireplace, you know, their first fire. What are they doing? At night, you know, they weren't— they were talking about their stories throughout the day. That's— and that's where we really connect, because within the story we learn that we're not alone. We hear ourself in the story. We see our connections to self, life, and other through the story. So I know that this was not necessarily the easiest 10 years, and I know that there was— you know, having been in your circle now, like, because we've been on the back end of Cannabis Health Radio. It has been shocking to me how many people are out there with the hater nation that are showing up here, you know. And I gotta tell you, just so you know, going forward— like, Ian already knows this, but you who are listening who don't know this— I am not Canadian, okay? I do not have that kind turn-the-other-cheek, I'm gonna like think that you're, you know, having a bad day, so therefore I'm gonna let you be be like that? No, I am a North American indigenous person and my mother was born in Iran, so I'm Middle Eastern and Native American, and I am here for the regulation. And we are going to be cleaning that up because this is a— because within a community, all things are welcome. But if you're going to bring your hate and you're going to bring your disdain, then there's another place for you and it's not here. So if you're a scammer or you're a hater, we don't need to have you in this circle. This— you guys, it is very important to me to hold and nurture what has already been created. The foundation that you— that y'all have set for me to step into needs to be honored, and it needs to be honored in the, the methodology and the belief system of what you and Corey held, which was love, care, and kindness. You know, like something that I always loved about my friend Cori is that when the haters came for her, she never addressed them. She never got online. She never was like, oh, blah blah blah, said yada yada about me. She just stayed in her lane and she took care of business and she always presented with an open heart. And that is something that really landed in my womb space as a way to be with the collective womb. World. And something that Cori gave me that I have missed, and I miss every minute of every day, is that gatekeeper energy. For so many of us, you know, her circle of people that she referred to, medicine makers, she kept us safe during a time when there was no safety. You know, I went in my own pathway and made a legal California business, but I was still able to work help the whole collective because Cori was the one out there fielding those conversations, meeting those people, giving her kindness, her love, her, her time to those people. So I really just want all of those who are listening to this to know that we're gonna hold that space, but just in a very different way.

Well, I want to tell you that not all Canadians are nice. We have some—

All the ones I've met are.

We have a lot of assholes here. I find some of the most generous and the nicest people I've met ever are Americans. And, you know, every sector, every race, religion, creed, color has good and bad in them.

Correct.

And you don't have to follow The haters. I know what you mean because I see stuff that's posted online and it kind of pisses me off at times but I just scroll past it. I don't want to get involved. I don't want to bring my vibration down to their level.

Right, exactly. That's it right there. You nailed it. It's where do you want to put your energy? Are you going to feed that negativity negativity, or are you going to feed something that's positive that will eventually knock out that negativity? Because light always dispels darkness.

Absolutely, yeah. And so that's what I aspire to, and Corrie did, and I think we worked well together. We had a lot of fun, we had a lot of laughs. She'd tell me some stories about about some of the things that made her laugh when she talked to people.

Yellinville stories. We all love the Yellinville stories.

Yeah, I love the one where she asked this person, "What time zone are you in?" She says, "Well, we don't have time zones, we have watches." That's so funny.

Or the people who would call about suppositories and ask if they should take off the lid. You know, and I mean, like, these are ridiculous things that we're saying, but, you know, Cori always handled them with such grace. She never made anyone feel stupid. She never made it. And that's really, really an important thing, you know. And so one of the things that I want to bring to this platform is, you know, to avoid the scammers, you know. How can we, like, fortify this community in a way that they are They are the gardeners. They are the ones that are taking care of their own yard, and they don't have to reach out into the cesspool of the internet and, and start finding people. And one thing I just want everyone to know, if somebody is reaching out to you in your inbox with the best medicine ever that's going to save your life, they're lying and they're looking for your money. And I'm sorry that that is just true, because real medicine makers, real real practitioners are busy and they don't need to look for clients.

Absolutely. Yeah. No, it's, it's been a wonderful experience, Robin, and I know you will move it forward. You have a team that can do things that I don't know how to do, right? And quite frankly, I mean, Cory and I, when it came to the internet, Cory and I were I just wasn't your wheelhouse.

I mean, my team of Bosnians that handles that are 20 years younger than me, and that's their wheelhouse. They're IT people. So all of that, that belong— like, you and I are not IT people. That's not our job. You are a messenger. I am a messenger. And this opportunity is giving me the opportunity to spread the good word of cannabis. And you know, I'm a, I'm a reverend and I have a doctorate, and I never use my title, you know, Reverend, Doctor, but in this capacity I'm going to because I have a reverence for this plant that I want people to understand and come to it because this is a gift that has been given to us by the Holy Creator. Like I said, it grows on all 7 continents. It is food, shelter, clothing, medicine, and enjoyment. It is the only thing that is that. It can give us life on every single aspect, so we need to have reverence towards it. And then, you know, I got my doctorate because, um, education's just always been important to me. And the more I felt I knew, the better I could be a steward for others. But I have to say, the biggest lesson I've had is in having over 30,000 clients and working in this field for 30 years and having sat with people who are losing their loved ones, who are, who are, like I said, you know, thinking that they are fighting for their already existing life. And what I've learned through that lesson is how much you are truly loved and how everyone in your circle, even if you think you're Charlie Brown and you need to go kick rocks and eat dirt, the truth is that there are 3 people for sure, always more, but there are 3 people who cannot live without you, who love you dearly. And cannabis gives us the ability to nurture that love and to provide an easy, safe pathway to find some healing on all different levels, not just for life-threatening illness like cancer, but also for muscle pain and sleep. It's very simple. It's now, it's becoming more easy to acquire. And so now we have to be within our own circle, our own policemen, our own regulatory body. And the more information we have, the better we could do that. So before we go, Ian, I really want to ask you, I want to ask you, I want you to tell me your most impactful moment of doing this show, if you can. I'm putting you on the spot right now. I want you to tell me the biggest, the greatest gain and the greatest loss?

The greatest loss was dealing with Corrie's passing. Yes. That, that affected me for months. Absolutely. And it was, it was very, very tough. I was so saddened by her passing. And because the day she died, I mean, I phoned her in hospital to see how she was doing and There was no answer. And then her friend Carol phones me the next morning and said that Cory passed. I said, "What?" And I think I was probably in a state of shock for a while because it was just— it was devastating. It was really devastating. And I guess the thing that I've enjoyed most about the podcast is listening to people's stories and how they overcame such, you know, such horrendous illnesses and ailments, particularly cancer and dealing with cancer. And, you know, some of the stories were just devastating. People with brain tumors, I think, you know, we've interviewed about 30 people with brain brain tumors and 28 are still alive.

I love that.

And, you know, people with glioblastoma multiforme, you know, very aggressive. And Lynn Cameron in Scotland, we've interviewed a couple of times, has the all clear all the time, all clear, all clear. And, you know, some of the people we've talked to have passed. We've had some funny moments where One of the guys that we interviewed, he was a great talker. He's since passed, but he was in McDonald's when we interviewed him. Cory and I laughed about that. And yeah, we had a lot of fun, heard some fascinating stories, and it really touched my heart, touched my soul, and it's something that I think was probably one of the best things that I've done in my life. It wasn't working for anyone else. It was working for people to hear other people tell how they overcame these horrific diseases through the use of cannabis, and they are healthy today. Especially people with little kids.

Yeah, for sure.

Parents with kids and they recovered and they'd be able to see their kids grow. I mean, those sorts of things, they never leave you.

No.

That's why stories are so important. They never leave you. That's why the Bible is about stories.

Right.

Right?

Mm-hmm.

And yeah, it's fascinating and I want to thank my wife for all the work she's done. I mean, she has a full-time job and she put together the website for us initially and switched it to Squarespace and moved about 200 podcasts over. And she did it on her days off and she corrects my write-ups sometimes. And yeah, she's just wonderful, and without her, I don't know where we would have been.

Yes, thank you, Lisa.

I want to tell her that I love her.

Yeah, yeah. If y'all don't know Lisa, she's a beautiful soul who has been kind of the engine behind this whole thing called Cannabis Health Radio, and she has tirelessly done all those things that that Ian said and more. You know, I mean, she's had to live with Ian.

No, we have a fantastic relationship.

Yeah, I know. You're fabulous, man. Ian, I love you dearly, and I love the space that you hold. And, you know, you guys have just— there's not enough ways or times to say how impactful and important you and Corey have made this platform and this conversation, and it is in good hands because I care for it deeply. I'm gonna cry, I'm getting emotional.

Yeah, I know you will. I have complete faith that you'll take it to the next level.

Yeah, you know, Corrie, Corrie was so important to me, and talking about her, her passing, you know, and how that happened, you know, I found out about it on the internet, and I was a livid because I had spoken to her the night before and she told me, "I'm not gonna make it. I'm checking out." And I was determined that next morning to get on a plane and fly to Victoria. And then I opened my phone and I don't know who did it, but somebody put it all over the internet that she had passed before her children had even had a moment to sit with that knowledge. You know, somebody had said to me, you know, well, she's a public person and that's just how it happens. And that's not true. It doesn't matter if you're a public person. All of our families, all of our personal lives have to be honored. And in this capacity of Cannabis Health Radio, where we come and we share these vulnerable parts of our soul, there still has to be an honoring of the fact that even though you're public, you you're also private. You know, I'm going to share a story because we're talking about stories, and this is about— so one of our presidents had started this thing called the Iraq War, which I was really unhappy about. So every single day I sent that man an email, and I, I wish that all the pain and suffering that he was causing all of the people who were losing their loved ones to fall in his lap and on his chest. Children. That was so kind of me to do that every single day. And then one of my clients asked if I could work on her best friend from elementary school, but I would have to go through a security— like, what do they call it? I want to say Social Security. That's what it's called.

Security profile.

Yeah, I had to get— I had to go through the whole thing in America, the, you know, that like, you could do it, you're not going to drop a bomb or something. And I'm working on this woman And, you know, it's Laura Bush and her face is in my hole, the massage table hole. And I'm saying— she's a very beautiful woman, she's really chatty, which is something unusual for A-list people, but she's super chatty, really kind. I'm falling in love with her as I'm working on her. And I say to her, "It must be really hard to be a public person and have people have all these opinions about you." And she said to me— I was so glad her face was down— 'Yes, especially when they send emails every single day wishing harm on your family.' She was 100% talking about me. Wow. I was so humbled and horrified in that moment. And she did it with such grace, the same kind of grace that our friend Corey had. She had such grace. She didn't skip a beat. She didn't make me feel bad. She still let me work on her. Like, she still was like, "Okay, well, whatever. Let's just see, you know, who she really is." And it was a beautiful experience, and it completely changed my life because it affected me deeply on the power of my word. Now, would I have still sent those emails to Bush? 100%. 100% I would because I don't believe in war. But it taught me that these are people who are making very difficult decisions, and his wife and their daughters and their kids, they have very little to do with the decisions he was making.

Yeah.

So let's keep that in mind when we're talking about other people, that we don't know the whole story. We don't. We only know what we see, and we don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I'm laughing at the story now because it's just—

it was horrifying in the moment. I thought I couldn't even believe it.

Very, a very humbling experience. So humbling, Robert. Very humbling experience. Thank you so much for taking over. I really appreciate it. Uh, when Corey passed, I was thinking of stopping Cannabis Health Radio, but I knew Corey wouldn't not like that, so I continued. And I know she is looking down at us and is very, very happy that you are continuing. Yeah.

Yes.

Thank you so much, Ian.

And thank you to everybody who's been part of this community. We really hope that you stay with us, that you grow with us, and that you, you make this voice louder. Let's amplify this voice.

I'll be listening, Robin.

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