Hey, Yang, Where’s My Thousand Bucks?

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It's so good. It's so dope. Hey everyone, we're going to be doing some mailbag questions, then talking about the release of my brand new love letter to you all, uh, Hey Yang, Where's My $1,000? Also a love letter to Zach. Uh, that's one reason why— Is it? I mean, there's some jokes in there at Zach's expense that took him by surprise, um, but you know, there's a lot of love, a lot of love, a lot of shit talk. It was good. Um, well, thank you, thank you. So I'm embarking on a book tour. Um, it's— by the time you hear this, uh, I'll be heading to New Jersey, DC, Connecticut, San Francisco, LA with special guests, uh, and interviewers. Journalists, Rainn Wilson in LA. So that should be a lot of fun. So do check it out at andreyang.com/events for the book tour. And then if you go to andreyang.com, you can also click through to my publisher and use the code UBIUBI for 25% off the book.

Hey, hey, you want to do some— take some questions?

Sure. Yeah, let's mailbag.

So you guys have reached out, and for context, everybody, If you want us to answer a question, you just email mailbag@andreyang.com, or you can send us a question, send us a video, whatever you want. Do our best to answer most of them unless you're a troll, and then we'll laugh, have a good laugh, and then we probably won't put it on the show. Okay. This one is from Lee. Said you had talked about healthcare being a dominant news story in January, February. However, there's been crazier stuff going on. Stuff. Yeah, Minneapolis, Venezuela, ICE, etc., all over the country. So do you still stand by the prediction? Do you think it's being brushed under the rug? Is this a sort of a Trump Republican strategy to sort of distract from some bigger things? Curious your thoughts on that. And what do you think we see the next month or so?

Yeah, it's a great question. So one observation, um, is that we have like this very, very dysfunctional news environment where it's essentially like, hey, what is the story, and then we're gonna flood the zone with the story so we can only keep one thing in mind at a time. And unfortunately also, your attention span is limited to that one thing. I think a journalist said to me something like maximum 2 weeks that you can cover anything before the public gets bored and wants to hear about something else.

Which is crazy.

Which is crazy. So certainly did not see the news cycles in the month of January and into February being dominated by Venezuela. Renee Good, Alex Predi, ICE, Minneapolis. I mean, all that stuff makes me sad and is obviously super important, but I do think that in the background, by the way, I've seen that healthcare premiums did spike for millions of Americans and it became a bigger part of the cost structure for many, many households, and they've taken it on the chin. Like, a lot of people have just sort of paid the higher premium and then I assume cut back on other things, and there wasn't a lot of wiggle room. So there's So there's a lot of trading off and suffering. Do I think it's going to reemerge into the news media at some point this year? I do. But, you know, again, right now we can only pay attention to one thing at a time.

Right. I've lived this where it's— I'm actually curious, where Trump is good at this, where he's good at sending rabbits and squirrels for the news to chase.

And frankly, any time his name's in the press, it sort of kept it, you know, telling us an SNL thing saying like, hey, we're going to talk about the Epstein files to distract you from ICE, which is ironic because we were using ICE to distract from the Epstein files. But here we are. So that it's, it's certainly somewhat intentional.

Yeah. We're so numb to this. I saw a tweet the other day. I was like, I don't know if you remember, this is a sports thing, but I think it's interesting. Like, there's been so much going on in the world. Like, you remember Mark Sanchez got arrested, like, right before a game?

Oh yeah, I do remember that.

Yeah. But like, forgot about it. You know, it was like big news. Um, uh, and there's probably dozens to hundreds of stories, little ones like this. You just, oh yeah, that was a big deal for a day or two.

Or right now it's like, oh, that person was in the Epstein files.

Yeah.

Oh dude, that, that's the posted apology. Then you're like, oh, like, I, I don't, I was going to post or joke something and be like, let's take a moment to appreciate all the people who weren't in the Epstein Files.

Yeah, because the Dick Cheney memes are funny. I was like, you know, it wasn't in the Epstein Files. Dick Cheney did it for— he just did it for love of the game. You know, he was just an asshole without going to parties or anything.

It's— yeah. So that's going to be the gift that keeps on giving. Geez. Oh, man.

All right. Shifting gears. Next question. This question is from Shannon. Hi, Andrew. I've been part of the Yang Gang since 2019 and voted for you in the 2020 race. Thank you, Shannon. I'm in tech and seeing layoffs, oof, or people getting laid off, finding a new job, and then getting laid off again. Curious what career advice you have or what we should pursue for our careers to have as much stability as possible in the wake of AI. Great question.

Hey Shannon, thank you for this. I'm actually working on This is gonna be funny. So this is a lighthearted humorous book that Zach and I are gonna talk about, but I'm working on a book called "The End of Normal" about what to do with the AI jobpocalypse in various sectors. And what you're experiencing is unfortunately very much the new normal where the share of tech employment in the US actually declining for the first time that anyone can remember. I mean, I saw this graph and it's like all of a sudden, like the curve started going down. And the tech companies are going to be among the most ruthless at getting rid of workers for AI. I have friends and family who have lost their jobs in tech companies recently. Right. And so big picture, if you're looking for stability, tech might not be the industry for you. Now, that said, tech pays better than other industries. So the way I'd approach it is try and stay as long as you can and then try and save money, really. I mean, being very frank. Because like everyone in that sector should see everything as like year to year. Even if your contract says, you know, 3 years, like just imagine it's year to year and try and max it out. It's time for us to become more nimble and adaptable. And that pains me to say, Shannon, because it sounds like you're looking for someplace you can just, you know, stability, yeah, yeah. rely on a little bit. But tech gonna be very, very unreliable for quite some time at the big firms. Everyone I've talked to says they're cutting headcount.

There was an expert that said the most important skill going forward is the ability to learn new skills, which is not particularly fun.

You know, the new skills thing, I actually think the most important skill, like this is what popped in my head.

Yeah.

The most important skill going forward is the ability to adjust one's standards.

What? Please say more.

Well, because— let's use a different field. Let's say I was a lawyer, like, and then my opportunities are diminishing, though I'd say experienced lawyers actually are doing fine. So it's really the junior lawyers that are in touch. That might not be the right example. Let's say a media figure. Okay. Say, you know, I worked at a cable network and then I got cut and I still want to be a producer. And I see this all the time, is like, so they switch to Substack or independent platforms, but I guarantee you they're not getting paid as much as they were at the network for the most part.

And there are some successful Substackers, sure.

And so if you want to keep doing what you're doing, like, you can probably keep doing it, you just might not get paid as much. Now, I'm someone who thinks being scrappy is good and doing more with less is good and like not being super materialistic or acquisitive is good. Now, human nature, you do tend to ramp up your lifestyle as you make more money. So my father used to say something that it's not about where you are, it's about what direction you think you're going. And there's this very powerful human phenomenon around loss aversion. It's like you just don't wanna be worse off. Like you'll do crazy things to avoid being worse off. It's one reason why people cling to certain decisions they made is like, they don't want to be like, oh, you know, like, oh, I shouldn't have bought those tickets. Like, you know, or whatever the thing is. And so being able to like, just let it go. I jokingly sing like the let it go, let it go. Like that's actually the most important skill now. Um, in my opinion, because a lot of us can do things in another realm if you don't need to get paid as much, being, being very frank. And the, I need to get reskilled assumes that, hey, if I can just learn this new coding language or this new proficiency, then I can keep getting paid 6 figures, uh, you know, and, and do stuff. It's like, if you can do that, more power to you. Um, and that, that is a path. And like, I'm not saying everyone just throw in the towel and like, you know, accept, um, worse circumstances. But I think the ability to be like open-minded and flexible and in some cases make less. I mean, I've, I've made less multiple times in my career, generally on the path to doing something that was important to me. And so part of the theme of the upcoming book is going to be trying to help people identify like, okay, like, what do you need? What do you value? What would you actually want to do if money wasn't a thing? And I know money is a thing for, you know, like 90, like 90% plus of us.

I can't speak to people who have kids or a mortgage, but I do know if you're single and navigating what your future career is, to me, I'm optimizing like, yeah, nimbleness, flexibility, you know, and whether it's frugality or, or being or saving, like living a little below your means, you have flexibility for the inevitable curveballs. With kids, it's harder, right? You want to move their schools and house mortgage. But the more you can start setting up your life to be flexible, whether that means geography, career, industry, That's the move, I think. I agree with you.

And to Shannon's question too, I mean, like, you know, that might be an unappealing thing for you, but like, try and think of it positively. Be like, hey, like, you know, maybe I'll experience some new things. I'll like, I don't wanna sugarcoat what's a very difficult thing. I mean, you all know that. Like, I literally ran for president saying, hey, let's just do things differently. But you have to try and make the most of the path that you have, and you know, you can't bemoan the past all the time. This podcast is sponsored by Helix Sleep. I've always been a mattress guy since my 20s. I always thought if you're gonna do something for 8 hours a day, you should try and do it right. It's why I've been so happy with my Ultra Dawn Firm mattress from Helix. I took the sleep quiz, I said I need a lot of support, and the strange thing is not only been a game changer for me, but it's my family's favorite mattress in the house, even though I'm the one who took the sleep quiz, not them. Don't take my word for it. Helix is the awarded mattress from Forbes, Wired, and they give you a risk-free free experience where you can hang out with your mattress for up to 120 nights. I know, that's nuts. And then return it.

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Okay, one more question, man. This question's from Scott. He said, Robert Reich, who was Clinton's, Bill Clinton's labor secretary, Robert Reich recently called on Democratic leadership to fight back against the Trump regime and be a true opposition party. Do you agree? What should Democrats do to fight back? How or what can the Forward Party do to help? Thoughts on our boy Robert Reich?

I mean, Robert Reich is not alone in the sense that there are all these people who are championing Resist, and the first thought that pops to mind for me is, where were you in January 2017 2024.

Yeah.

When it was time to resist the Biden administration's squelching of a party primary, you know, you could have stood up and said, hey, democracy, the people. But I don't remember Robert Reich saying jackal at that time.

So the problem with all of the resistance stuff.

Yeah, yeah. That was the time. Now, I mean, people can call for it and structurally, I mean, you know, like, I'm obviously not a fan of this administration and its actions. And so if you can find some effective way to stymie them, including lawsuits in like various districts. Like, I'm totally on board with that tack. The thing that irks me is that a lot of the appeals tend to be more emotional than smart. So it's like, hey, you know, get out there and like make your voice heard. It's like, that's—

post on social, scream.

Yeah, yeah, that— like, that, that's not really gonna do the trick. And a lot of that stuff too ignores the fact that that you're in a system where it's very polarized, and if you take a very firm position from, let's say, the left, then you're going to end up provoking this reaction from the right. It's going to turn off a certain number of people. The smart thing to do, in my opinion, is to go to places that are genuinely up for grabs and competitive, which is a very— it's a shrinking field because each party has just gerrymandered the heck out of the country. So I look at— independent candidates like Mike Duggan, who's running for governor of Michigan. I'm very excited. There are some other candidates that I'm excited about, some of whom have been on the podcast or will be, and then find ways to, to support them and create like a different type of dynamic. But saying like, fight, fight, fight. And that's what the Forward Party is about, is trying to create this new dynamic and help candidates in places where, frankly, most Democrats are uncompetitive and would ignore. Right. You know, like Dan Osborn in Nebraska is a great example too. It's like Democrats can't do anything in Nebraska, but you know, could—

With Dan they might be able to do a couple things.

Yeah, yeah, could all, like, my independents. So you need like a different approach. Do I think, by the way, the Democrats are poised to win the midterms? Yeah, I do. And like, the thing I say also is people get pissed at whoever's in power, shit sucks, but then the Democrats will be like, and by the way, they even said this in their lack of a postmortem, for their loss in 2024, it's like, it's okay, we're, we're going to win now. So we don't need to worry about why we lost last time. And it's— we all know that they're poised to win, in my opinion, in the midterms because everyone freaking hates this administration. But like, the, the, this administration is only in power because you freaking like wouldn't, uh, field a, like, a good candidate. And so we're playing you lose, I lose, you lose, I lose, while most of us are throwing up our hands saying like, what the heck is happening? I do have friends and family who are texting me, asking me, it's like, hey, should I visit the US? I was planning to, but now I don't want to. Like, Stephen Marsh was on the podcast.

Yeah.

So that he's just not visiting the US. So like, the fact that this stuff is happening, it's, it's so stupid. And so look, you know, do I support various candidates who are running against Trump stooges all over the place? Yes, I do. But do I think that's going to solve the problem where you just cheerlead for your team when there's an opportunity. And then when your team's screwing up, you just like keep your mouth shut, which strikes me as a very Robert Reichian thing to have done.

Yeah. And what most Democratic leaders did, by the way, in 2024, that election. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. No, because most of these people and I feel for them sort of, but most of these people just want to be liked, you know, like the right and wrong of it is less important.

And again, I submit to you January 2024, I did watch Scott Galloway's podcast, who's a friend of ours and partner of ours. And, you know, his, his big thing was I liked it because I do agree, like most of us are like, what can I do here? You know, like, what do I do? And his, his thing right now is I think it's called Resist and Unsubscribe, where he's like, if you want, you know, the Trump administration to pay attention, you got to hit more accounts, you got him in the wallet. And so unsubscribe from— I think he's got a list on resistandunsubscribe.com, his website, but unsubscribing from various Amazon or Apple or companies that have worked with the administration. And if their wallet starts stinging and people are pissed, you might change things. I hope it, you know, it's, it to me sounded like a smart thing to do, whether it can actually work or not at scale. I'm not sure.

Hey, I'm a fan because a lot of that would probably require reducing your social media use, which would almost guarantee that you're happy.

That's true. Use your phone less. Yeah. Great.

So, you know, as usual, Scott Galloway, genius.

Want to talk about this, this book?

Yes. Hey Yang, Where's My $1,000? Uh, out now.

Very live, man.

Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's like brand spanking, guys.

I read a book. I read a whole book. I'm feeling pretty good about it.

By the way, reading a book is, is good for your brain too. It's really good.

I, uh, I sleep a lot better if I read before bed as opposed to Netflix. That's the start Yeah.

Don't use your screens an hour before bedtime.

You don't have to read that long either. Just read 5, 10 minutes. You're gonna sleep a little better. I find.

Yes. Though, though not my book. It's a page turner. It'll keep you up all night.

I did read more than I, I read long. It, it's good. It's, it's quick, which is, uh, in today's attention economy, it's good. It's fast.

Yeah. I, so I, I will say to you all, like, I, I think I, I wrote this at like a lower grade level than, uh, yeah, you did. Yeah. Some of my, some of my, my previous books, but, but it's also, that's true. It's also very, very, very short chapters, which I saw a long time ago, um, that that's actually the key to a highly readable book is having very bite-sized chapters.

You actually have a chapter in here called, you know what the key to a good book is? Short chapters. And that was the entire chapter.

Yeah, it was a whole chapter because I was just messing around. Yeah, this book is a lot.

It's a secret. You want to know the secret to a highly readable book? Short chapters. That's the whole Chapter. That's it.

Just a couple.

Just a couple of words. I have questions. So many questions for you. Not so many, but I got a bunch. So a lot of this book is, in my words, a lot of sort of Andrew anecdotes throughout your life, beginning your life, the campaign trail, what the hell you've been doing post-campaign. And then you— I think you did a fun job of answering a lot of the questions you get sort of along the way now. It's like, hey, did you meet any cool celebs? Like things like that, which I think are fun. Um, I had a bunch of favorite parts, but I'm curious, was there any chapter— I know there's shorts— are there any parts of the book you liked writing the most or were happiest to share?

But the story of my heading to the Cure concert and meeting Robert Smith afterwards made me really happy because it's like a child—

that was cool—

musical idol of mine. And the fact that I got to, uh, have that experience with some childhood friends and Evelyn, who's not even like a huge Cure fan, but loved that concert like that. That, that made me happy. And that night actually made me really glad. It was like a sort of a full circle moment.

Yeah, I would— that was cool. That looked really cool. Go see The Cure at the Garden, go backstage. You get personal on this, which I thought was fun. And like, I know you really well and— but I learned some things about you, a couple of things I didn't realize. And I think it's because I was probably consumed by my own shit, frankly. It was like I didn't realize how burnt out you were post-mayoral race. Like you talk about how that like did a version of a number on you, you know, where you and COVID is it, you know, an extra factor there. But losing a race, especially one like that where it's just a— that the New York City mayor's race is a circus. And like, I think the whole country knows now, given the past couple of cycles, But you really sort of unpack like what, you know, what you're going through. John trying to be a husband, trying to be a father, trying to be an entrepreneur post-race. I mean, what was it like to write about?

You know, yeah, sharing that too. I had one friend reach out to me and be like, hey man, I didn't know you were having a tough time then.

This is me reaching out. I didn't know you were having a tough time either.

Because I mean, I guess I didn't really show it. And I felt, and I even write in the book, it's like, I had obligations to fulfill.

Yeah, you had a book tour.

Yeah, I had a book tour then, and so it's like, all right, I can't not—

You can't hole up.

Yeah, yeah, I can't just like, you know, go in a cave. But I was laboring and struggling for a number of months, and sharing that, you know, so it's funny where I don't know how you all listeners, public, whomever, people who don't know me that well, see me, but I imagine that elements of it are that I'm this kind of like positive, can-do, like somewhat—

Thought leader, like voice.

No, no, I was like thinking, I mean, this could be me projecting, but like that no one wants to hear my problems.

That's true for a lot of people though.

That's true. That's true. Most— that's true of most people. Like, you don't want to hear most people's problems. Um, but I think that's more true of me than it is of a lot of—

given your positioning in political America.

Yes.

Yes.

Like that, there's like—

I understand, you know.

Yeah. It's like I'm a functional instrument, a functional human, and it's sort of my job to be functional. And so No one wants to hear about my dark nights of the soul. Now, some of you who are listening to this are like, "I'd like to hear," because you all, I presume, like me if you're listening to this podcast. And I appreciate it. I love you for it. And this book is in some ways my effort to share. But in real time, it's like no one wants to hear, especially like—

Yeah.

And I always try and put myself also in reverse, which is like, no one forced me to do anything. Like, you know, like, if I, if I—

this was a version of self-inflicted.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, if I, if I run and lose and I'm sad, then it's like, well, you know, you're fucking—

yeah.

Um, though I do try and extend a little bit of empathy to other scarred candidates.

Yeah, you talk about Dean in this.

Yeah, yeah, like Dean. And there are others I know that, like, I'm, you know, I don't want to like, um you know, pile onto or whatever. But like, or actually, I'm going to use another example from this New York City mayoral cycle too, which is, you know, came very close to beating Eric Adams in 2021, Kathryn Garcia.

Yeah.

And so were there people that were like, hey, Kathryn, you should like run again? Because if Kathryn had run, you know, like, like, I think she does quite well. But Katherine just wasn't into it. And, you know, the other folks from that cycle, you could have, like, you know, Maya Wiley, like, had the progressive thing going in 2021 and like, no, like, there's an element of that race that I think made people not particularly excited about.

Of course, man.

About doing it again. Yeah, doing it again.

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You've talked about before where, and I understood this, from the outside looking in, running for president seems like an egomaniac idea. You know, it's like, I want the crowds and people tell me I'm amazing. People tell me you can be the free— be our president, etc. But the reality is it's extremely humbling. It's extremely humbling. It's really hard unless you're already a celebrity and then, well, it's still very hard. But if you're like an upstart candidate, particularly in a mayor's race, trying to make it, it's grueling. You're just asked for money all the time. You're trying to get crowd, you're trying to do things all the time. And so when you lose, you feel like, you know, no one gives a shit, right? You're out. And then you feel like you did all these somewhat, I know it doesn't seem like an outside, but it feels like very selfless things you were doing. You think. Like, like really, really hard. Really painful uses of your time. You could have done other things, and then it's very lonely island, you know, and you wrote about it.

Uh, yes, though I will say, you know, the book's like, uh, um, it's more positive than— yeah, yeah, I think, I think that's like, you know, one or two. Yeah, yeah, it's not a chapter, it's like a 50-chapter book. But, uh, but I, you know, it's like I was trying to share— I think in the intro I say like, is there a human there? And like, that's what part of this book is like, hey, I actually am a human being, and I feel and sense things. I'm just unusually good at hiding them.

The other thing I learned about you in this book was I got some insight on Yang the dad. I've seen you with your kids, but I see you sort of in like, either public or super casual environments that are not involving, let's call it, discipline or navigating marriage and life and school and the things you talk about. And it was fun. Like you have your, like your little handshake with your kids and like, all right, Mom says this, but Dad says this. Like that stuff I have, that's not sides I've seen you. I think if you read this book, you get different side of Andrew in little snippets, which I think is fun.

It was funny. It's like I actually see my role as a dad is kind of similar. It's like I should just be functional. And then just by being functional, that's like a, you know, good influence on your kids. Cause God willing, they'll be like, oh, that's my dad was functional.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's, I should probably be functional too.

Um, okay. Let's have some fun. I had a couple of passages I wanted to pull out. Oh, that's okay. Is that fun?

They include my poems.

Yes. The number one, the best chapter in this book is Andrew Yang's poetry. Um, chapter 26 called My Poems. Do you want to give context for this before I read some? Sure.

So I go to a very pleasant dinner hosted by movie director who then takes out copies of my books to sign. And I'm like, oh, that's very nice. Like, bought all my books. But then one of them is like Poems by Andrew Yang. And I was like, what the fuck is this? You know? And I'm flipping it over and it's featureless. It's just like a featureless black cover, just says Poems by Andrew Yang. There's no picture of the poet. There's no anything. And so obviously it kind of seems like it might be me. And then I'm like, I didn't write this book. And then the director is like, oh, that explains a lot, which is like, oh, I'm like mortified is that she was reading these poems thinking they were mine and they were not mine. So I was like— so then I get home and I'm like Googling this book. And then I want to make an announcement. It's like, yo, these are not my poems. But then by doing that, I'm somehow calling attention to a book that I didn't know existed. And, and so then to demonstrate that they were not my poems, I write poems.

He wrote some new poems, which I think it's hilarious that there's a— there's another Andrew Yang who just wrote a shit ton of seemingly very dark poems or like sad poems.

Yes.

And so Andrew, literally, I just want to be clear, all caps, those are not my poems, which is funny. I laugh about it.

This whole thing is— the book is meant to be funny.

And then he said, well, here, here are my poems so you can read them. Okay, um, uh, they're all short. We should read them.

Okay, let's go with UBI.

UBI. Here's a poem on universal basic income by Andrew Yang. UBI, you and I, so fly, so fly. Help people feel like they can touch the sky. Help people look each other in the eye. You and I, UBI.

It's so good. It's so dope.

All right, another one. This poem is called Lex and Rex. Lex and Rex, these are what I named my pecs. Lex for left pec, Rex for right pec. I can make them talk, or at least I could when I fed them regularly. What did they eat? Plates, but not plates of food. Iron plates devoured while prone in a slightly smelly bench. They ate several times a week. Now they are diminished. One can barely hear them. They served their purpose. Once they threatened the world. Now they amuse children. What the fuck is that? Leave that out, dude.

What is it? There are multiple times in this book where I'm like howling in laughter.

And it's time— sometimes you're trying to be funny and sometimes you're just sort of matter of fact. And this feels a very like sort of, these are my poems, matter of fact. Hey, buy this book, it's very good. Google is offering free AI training and tools to U.S. small businesses so they can innovate in ways both big and small. Built by Google experts, the Google AI Professional Certificate equips small businesses with practical AI skills. Through hands-on projects, they can start using AI to get more done and unlock new opportunities for their business. This is a new era of American innovation. Find out more at grow.google/business.

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Here it is.

I found it. Hell yeah. I outlasted 7. I outlasted 7 congressmen, 3 senators, 3 governors, 2 mayors, One cabinet secretary and three of Zach's girlfriends. I got— I got— I caught a lot of strays in this book. So honestly, it's sort of like that. You're like reading about something serious and then like, oh wait, that was— wait, am I supposed to laugh at that? Yes, you are. It's funny. So I got a couple of good laughs. I got a better laugh reading the poems with you. We're going to clip that and post that. It's freaking hilarious. But anyway, Hey Yang, Where's My $1,000? On sale now. Bookstores near you. Or you sell on website andreyang.com. andreyang.com just ends up connecting you to the publisher.

Publisher's website. And I, I worked with an independent publisher, uh, so it's very, very wholesome and scrappy. Uh, so if you buy it through their website, um, it's a little bit better, um, in the sense you cut out the middleman and 25% discount.

And you've offered to donate all your proceeds to charity from this book unless he makes a lot of money, and then TBD.

Yeah, and then, yeah, yeah, that's what I say in the book where I'm just like I'll donate it all unless it becomes a hit, and at which time I'll, um, I said I'll take a, a bath in the, uh, gold coins like Scrooge McDuck, I think is what I said.

Yeah, no, it's good. Honestly, it's good. Worth the read if you're traveling. It's a good plane read. It's very, very— it's good.

It's fun. I gave myself like a different assignment, um, in order to— because ordinarily I've been writing to solve big problems, and obviously the problems are still here, and like I'm still like working on them. And so the problem I set out this time would be like, I knew it was going to be a dark time. And so let me see if I can entertain, enliven. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's some ideas in there, obviously, like they're meant to— it's meant to edify as well.

Sure. Yeah.

Entertain, enliven, and edify through something a little more humorous and personal. I'm really glad I wrote this book. I'm really glad you enjoyed it, Zach. And the thing I'm proudest of so far is that Evelyn, I think it's like Evelyn's favorite book of mine that I've read, and of Rus'ayva that I've written. And when I've written a book and Evelyn's read it, I like, for the most part, it's felt like a chore for Evelyn. For Evelyn, yeah. It's like, oh yeah, good, good. And this is the first time where she essentially read it cover to cover and was like, I couldn't put it down, I loved it. And so that, that actually, after that, I was like, done, I've achieved my highest watermark I will say one of the weird things about writing a book is it's actually the years later.

'Cause I wrote my book, I wrote a book in 2021 or 2020 sort of thing. And so now we are 5, 6 years later and people, 'cause it still exists. Like random people will still read it, which Yang shits on in this book too. It's funny.

There's a lot.

Anyway, the book's great. But my point was like, you know, people will come up to you years later. You haven't thought about this book. At a certain point you won't have thought about this book and they're like, oh man, just read your book. It was, you know, X, Y, you're like, oh yeah, people are still, this thing still exists. You know? Yeah. It's like, you know, sort of a legacy thing.

Please do also come out and say hello to me if, um, if, uh, you live in New Jersey, Connecticut, Washington, DC, San Francisco, Seattle, or LA. And if you live in one of those places, Great, maybe I'll see you there. If you don't live in one of those places, who knows, maybe we'll add stops to the tour later, or I'll swing by your way.

Dan.

Thank you to everyone who's been with me and Zach over this last number of years, and thank you, Zach, for being such an awesome comrade and friend through the whole journey. I hope that this book also made you feel like, oh, that there's like an arc to the journey.

Yeah, I agree. It felt, you know, I've had a front row seat to a lot of stories. And so one, I learned more about them than what I remember or saw. But then two was, we ain't done yet. You know, I felt that about your book. It was like, it's not an end cap or anything on your life. It's sort of here we are now. Here's where we've been. Here's where we're going. It's good.

Yeah. Yeah.

We're still alive, you know, still cranking, man.

Still cranking. Thank you, Yang Gang. Love you.

Love you guys. Take care.