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Idaho taxpayers are subsidizing, you know, the biggest retailer in the world. 1 in 8 of their employees are getting healthcare from Idaho taxpayers. Amazon is just outrageous in terms of how they treat their employees in the state. I'm disgusted by what I see, Andrew. It's completely outrageous what corporate America's doing right now. I mean, without sounding corny, we need to get back to when these corporations were families, man, and they felt a duty to their employees and a duty to their communities. And it wasn't just this extractive capitalism where, you know, little red states like us and Wyoming and the others, I mean, we just get taken— we get taken advantage of.

It is my pleasure to welcome to the podcast independent U.S. Senate candidate for the state of Idaho. This is his real name, Army veteran Todd Achilles. Welcome, Todd.

Thanks, Andrew. Good to be on.

So badass. I just love that your last name is Achilles and then you went off and became a tank commander in the U.S. Army. Uh, so everyone has to ask, are you descended from the Greek demigod It's actually not a Greek last name.

It's a German last name. And this is some interesting American history. So, he was a— Ludwig Achilles was a poor kid in central Germany, forced to join the British Army as a Hessian soldier, captured at the Battle of Bennington, Vermont in 1777, spent a year in a POW camp, switched sides, fought with the Americans for the rest of the Revolutionary War, and then settled in Vermont.

Uh, and so this is your great-great-great-great-grandfather who's not a demigod and doesn't have a heel?

None of that. Just a poor kid from Germany.

Well, congrats. Um, this means there's an entire Achilles family spread out, uh, all over New England and, uh, wherever. There is. That's so fun. Were you from a military family, uh, and is that, that why you enlisted, or why, why did you enlist in the U.S. Army back in the day? And where did you grow up? Was it Idaho or someplace else?

I actually grew up in Oregon, so I'm a Northwest kid through and through. The, you know, we didn't have a big military service in our family, you know, a couple of here and there. My dad kind of did his required thing for a few years. You know, my grandfather was a career Foreign Service officer. You know, there was an Achilles Brigade in the Civil War from Rochester, New York. But, you know, I think like a lot of guys, I just felt a duty to serve and this was the right way to do it.

Did Chris Nolan call you to cast you in The Odyssey?

And I got to— so, so I've got, I've got two connections with Brad Pitt. Obviously there's the Achilles one, and then remember his World War II movie about the tank crew, Fury?

Yes.

Which was absolutely— he did such a good job understanding the dynamics of a tank crew, uh, and, uh, so, so anyways, I mean, I've got— at some point I got to connect with, uh, with Brad Pitt.

Well, I'm sure after a US Senator, you can put out the Brad signal. So you went to Claremont McKenna, which I will say is sort of an unusual school for an Army officer. Like, did you join the Army before or after you attended CMC?

You know, there's, there's some interesting history at CMC because it's actually one of those GI Bill schools. You know, it was founded right after the war, uh, and they've always had an Army ROTC program even though it's a, it's a super small school. Um, and so I just, you know, I did the ROTC program through there. You know, I got a scholarship to help pay for college and, and, uh, uh, just, you know, had a, had a great experience there, learned a lot, and then, uh, went on active duty, uh, 2 years after college.

2 years after college. And so how did you wind up a tank commander?

Oh, well, Andrew, we've met. You know, I'm, I'm 5'9", so back then I was skinny too. Uh, so, you know, when you're going on active duty and you're 5'9", being in a tank is actually not that bad.

So did you get to ride your tank around to different countries and blow stuff up? Is it actually your tank where you put your name on it and say like, this is Todd's tank? Or is it just you get there and they put you in a new tank? Uh, like, how does that stuff work?

You know, it all depends. So, you got to— there's 4 guys in a tank crew. And so, the name on the barrel is associated first with your company. So, I was in Bravo Company in my battalion. So, the names all begin with Bs. You know, I was the platoon leader for a tank platoon. So, my tank was always number 1. So, I was Bravo 2-1, 2nd Platoon. And yeah, I made 2 deployments to Kuwait back in the day, back in the '90s. And so, we would pick up some equipment equipment that was on the ground there and roll out in the desert and, you know, run around, train, and shoot stuff.

So your tank would be left someplace else and you get there and be like, this is our new tank, guys, new pilot.

That makes sense. Yeah, yeah. So we had our one— I was stationed at Fort Stewart, which is outside of Savannah, Georgia. So we had, you know, our equipment there, and then you had, uh, pre-positioned equipment in, uh, in the Gulf.

So you serve, uh, sounds like multiple deployments. To Kuwait and other places. You come back, I want to say you get an MBA at some point, and then you wound up back in Idaho a number of years later.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to— so got out of the Army, went back to grad school. I did a dual degree in business and East Asian studies at the University of Washington. And then, you know, I just kind of talked my way in the wireless industry in the early days, and I just, you know, rode that rocket ship. I was at T-Mobile before the Deutsche Telekom took over and had a great run. Did a bunch of cool stuff, helped develop kind of some of the early smartphones and these converged devices, got a couple patents, was recruited to Hewlett-Packard to go run one of their consumer business units competing all around the world and running billion-dollar P&Ls. And you learn a lot, and I think you probably have a similar path in your career, Andrew. You kind of reach a point where it's like, "All right. Well, I dropped a couple more." $1 million to the bottom line of Hewlett-Packard, what else could I be doing? And I just decided it was time to return to public service. And, you know, I was working from HP's headquarters in Palo Alto and decided to go back. And I got my master's in public administration at UC Berkeley. And after the program, they asked me to stick around and teach, which was nowhere on the Achilles long-term plan, teaching public policy at Berkeley. But, I've been doing that for the last 10 years, teaching at Berkeley, Boise State, and College of Idaho. And I just love it. It's tons of fun. And working on these policy issues, I mean, these are really hard problems to solve, right? And I just enjoy the intellectual challenge and enjoy the impact on society of doing these things the right way.

So somehow you get appointed to the Idaho State Legislature a couple of years ago by the governor. How did that come about?

You know, there was, there was an opening for the legislature in my neighborhood in Boise. And of course, I raised my hand and the governor appoints the replacement if there's an opening. So I got appointed by the governor. And, you know, next thing you know, I got the worst job in America. I'm a Democrat in the Idaho House.

Yes. Which was, I'm sure the majority know. I mean, Idaho. So check it out. And I will say I have been to the vast majority of the country. I've been to 42 states. Very well traveled. Um, not been to Idaho. Um, and I will talk about how Idaho is perceived from folks like me, or I'm guessing most people listening to this, uh, that, uh, it's a red state. Um, it grows potatoes. There are some awesome natural, like, features and vistas and beautiful mountains, uh, Boise and the surrounding areas and some other places. But it seems like an unusual place to run for Senate. That said, the incumbent is a guy named Jim Risch. He's a Republican. I believe he's 83 years old right now.

Correct.

Yeah, that's old. I mean, real old.

That's really old.

Yeah, really old. And what strikes me is, as what's happened in Idaho, and we can talk about the dynamics of why you decided to upgrade from the statehouse to the U.S. Senate. And people will probably be unsurprised to know this, but I'm supportive of your campaign. I've donated to your campaign. I think it's an awesome opportunity and we'll talk a little bit more about why that is. But I think that Idaho has been ignored by the Democratic Party and maybe to some extent the Republican Party because it's just like hanging out there. Jim Risch is just going to be centered until he dies. And when he dies, just jam in some replacement and it'll be, you know, it'll be like this is politics as usual. A Democrat is completely hapless or hopeless in a statewide race in Idaho. I'm guessing like the last person who ran for Senate against Risch probably lost by like 18 to 20 points or something along those lines.

Usually in a statewide race, a Dem will get 30% of the vote.

Yeah. So it's even worse than I said, 30-70. I was guessing, you know, 39. 61 kind of thing. But it's like 30-70. And so the Democrats obviously completely ignore Idaho statewide. You joked about being a Democratic state legislator. What was the ratio in the statehouse?

It was 9 to 70, 9 of 70, sorry, or 9 to 61. But the interesting thing, and I think this is where you just pull back a few layers. It's way more complex that's going on. But by the way, the other really important metric on Idaho is we have 2 million people and 2.5 million cows.

And so, you know, the ag industry ratio is— exactly, the highest in the country.

The ag industry is super important in the state. But when you look at the politics, you know, the longest serving governor in the state's history was a Democrat. Cissandrus, but just sort of that pragmatic centrist Dem. And then, you know, the second longest serving governor was a Republican, also sort of center-right pragmatic centrist Republican. And I think the fundamental issue is that the DNC, the national Dems have given up on little red states like Idaho and Wyoming and the Dakotas and Nebraska and the rest of them. And so for a generation, there's been no countervailing force. So, so long as politics is this binary exercise and there's nothing on one side of the ledger, then of course the politics are going to look like it's a deep red state. And it's, and it's not, you know, Idaho is a center-right state.

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Uh, he's, he's coming up on his fourth term, so he, he got elected in 2008, right?

So this guy has been there, um, for 18 years and he's 83. So he got elected when he was 65, so he was already, uh, you know, like retirement age.

I mean, he just, just to put this in perspective, Andrew, he first got elected in 1970 when I was 2. He's been a part of Idaho politics that long. And, you know, his favorability is— his net approval is -9. For somebody that's been in politics that long, a third of Idaho voters don't even know who he is. He's never done one in-person public town hall since he's entered the Senate. And it's just, you know, yeah, I mean, just sort of, you know, the system has been designed around him to be disconnected from from, from Idahoans. And people are tired of it. And I think the— I mean, here's some numbers to help understand what's really going on in Idaho. So when we closed the primaries in 2012, 70% of Idahoans were unaffiliated with a party. 7-0, right? By far the highest in the country. Now, people have, you know, because we've closed the primaries, people have had to take sides. But if you ask people kind of what their political ideology is, roughly 60, 65% of Idahoans will say I'm an independent or I'm a Republican, but I lean independent. So that, you know, that independent ethos is super strong in the state. You've got obviously what you know incredibly well is this huge wave of independents nationally. But you come back and there's a couple of really important data points in Idaho, again, on Medicaid expansion. So we passed Medicaid expansion with 61% of the state in 80% of the counties. By far the highest of any red state in the country. And that's that sort of consensus issue that Idahoans come together on. And then our most recent round of polling, the top response was 75% of Idahoans want somebody, a politician who's going to work with both sides of the aisle, 75%. I mean, so, so those are the core values. And I think because the Dems have just not stood up in the state. You know, the Dem brand is just— it's just incredibly weak. It's mud.

Yeah.

Yeah. So Republican Idahoans will take one step to an independent. They'll never take two steps to a Dem. And that's why I think folks are so excited about our campaign. We have such strong Republican support.

Yeah. So, so people listening to this might think, okay, Todd seems like a very rational constructive guy, but independent, US Senate, can't win statewide. But the polling says otherwise. Like, you are actually a very, very viable, strong candidate and can create a contest in a place where, to your point, you know, I don't know when the last time there's been a competitive Idaho race for the US Senate, not in my political lifetime. And, you know, I mean, like, even in the '90s, I don't think it was happening. And so you're something of an earthquake, even though you seem very reasonable and the rest of it. You're something of, you know, you truly are Achilles. You truly are storming the beach. Careful, Andrew.

Careful.

Careful. You know, with a brass helmet and shiny sword. Yeah, some of the— I mean, you can speak to your competitiveness, but I think people who are even watching this think, okay, Todd does seem like a reasonable person who has commanded soldiers and action and the rest of it. And like, he's not like a capricious waste-his-time kind of guy. Like, he must have seen there's a real opportunity and you're being proven right.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. I mean, the polling is really strong. We've done two big polls in the last three months. The one we did on March, when you just see me and the incumbent on the ballot, I trailed by 14 points. And if you— and after you tell people my background, I was ahead by 3. So there was a 17-point swing there. The ones that we did last week, and we've been working really hard over the last 90 days doing a bunch of campaigning and this billboard campaign wishing Jim a happy 83rd birthday. So the poll we did last week, I was only 4 points behind. So we shrunk it by 10 with uninformed ballot or initial ballot. And when we tell people my background, I'm beating the incumbent by 20. It's a 24-point swing. And we kept poking on these numbers and say, man, it can't be that big. So we've got a real path. You know, his favorability, he continues to sink every time we poll on his net approval. It's worse and worse. And Idahoans just don't like this guy and they will never vote for a Dem. So this independent path is giving Idahoans an option that they haven't had before. And, you know, I grew up on a farm, serving in the Army, 20 years in business, serving in the legislature. You know, I had one of the most— reputations for being one of the most bipartisan in the legislature. And I think all of this goes back to what are those core Idaho values, which is, listen, we want to solve these hard problems, work across the aisle, be respectful, you know, take care of our rural hospitals, take care of the people that need a hand up. Don't be wasteful in government. Keep our taxes low. But let's keep the state running and let's take care of each other.

Those are core Idaho values.

Yeah, I sense that they know that Jim Risch is just going to be a rubber stamp on whatever the heck the Republican agenda is. That, and so they don't like what's emanating from DC right now. Uh, you know, that's not a way to vote if you think of this 30-70 thing. So you would start out, and we'll talk about this a little bit, I mean, there's some word about the Democrat stepping aside and letting you have this one-on-one contest because them being there is kind of a waste of time. And this is one of the clearest signs of, you know, like, you know, who's going to be the spoiler and like waste the votes? The Democrat for sure in this context. But you would start out with 30% of the folks who voted for like the last candidate. And then the question is, can you find 21% of independents, which are two-thirds of the state. And I'm going to say, like, obviously yes, depending upon whether you have the resources. And we'll talk about that a little bit. So, you know, I donated, I have friends who've donated, but obviously— and one of the magical elements of this contest is that Idaho is a very, very cheap state to get the word out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. It is. Yeah. You know, what's interesting is, you know, we're— and I, you know, for my corporate corporate experience, I'm a really numbers-driven guy. So we do weekly tracking polls and everything else. And what's interesting is we're, we're seeing 30 to 35% of Republicans coming over to our campaign.

Sure.

And I think what's really interesting on this, Andrew, I mean, that's— and it's across the spectrum. So a lot of Republicans that are part of the MAGA movement, I mean, this is not what they signed up for. The economy, the engagement in Iran, you know, all of this other stuff. This is not what they signed up for.

Tariffs are really bad for farmers. And there are a lot of farmers in Idaho.

Horrible, right? Biggest part of our economy is ag. We're going to see some just awful bankruptcies in '26 and '27 as a result of all of this stuff. So younger Republicans are just disenchanted. They still can't buy a house. They still can't afford to have kids. You know, like moderate— my LDS Republican friends from Eastern Idaho, you know, they don't like the ethics and the values that are coming out of the administration right now. And then there's just a lot of kind of old school. It's sort of that Western center-right Republican that, you know, they're, they've been true to their values since Reagan, but the party's gone way off, off into the corner.

I was going to say the Reagan Republicans.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And they're not happy with this either. And then, you know, there's twice as many registered independents or unaffiliated voters in Idaho as there are Democrats. Registered Dems are only 13%. of the state. Registered independents are 27-28%. The rest are Republicans. And those independents haven't had somebody to get fired up about until our campaign. So we're getting them energized too. So it's— I mean, the numbers are there. Listen, it takes a ton of work. We got to execute incredibly well. But the numbers support there's a path to win here. And Idaho is a really inexpensive state. We got 4 tiny media markets., and this is, this is absolutely winnable race.

So I'm sure you get asked this all the time, but, uh, after you get to DC, um, would you caucus, uh, with either party or would you be kind of, um, the independent lane?

100% independent lane. I will not caucus with either party.

I love it. You know, that's exactly what we need to get out of this mess.

Yeah, that's— and Andrew, I could not agree. And this is what I think you've, you've done such a good job on. Is we've got to create this other lane. We got to break the grip of the two-party system. I mean, then I, you know, whether I'm talking to a group of Republicans or a group of Dems, absolutely everybody agrees with this statement. You cannot tell the difference between a corporatist Dem and a corporatist Republican. Yeah, both taking checks from the same groups.

Yeah, no, it's all just status quo while our way of life continues to diminish to the extent that— and you've identified a couple of issues. It would be around ag You know, trying to help farmers, help young people actually be able to afford a home and start a family and all that jazz. Do you have a family yourself? I'm guessing you do.

I do. I've got two, two girls.

Oh, wow.

We're empty nesters now.

Yeah. No. Wow. What a time. So affordability for young people to be able to start families and get on their feet. What else is clicking with Idaho independent voters and otherwise?

I mean, a lot of it are the economic issues. You know, 60% of Idahoans don't earn a livable wage. 60%, Andrew. You know, we're probably going to lose 100,000 Idahoans or 100,000 Idahoans are going to lose their health insurance this year as a result of eliminating the subsidies and other changes, lack of competition in the insurance market. Roughly 125,000 young Idaho couples under 40 who just, I mean, they want to start a family, but, you know, daycare is twice as much as their mortgage. I talked to a young couple who are small business owners. They can't afford health insurance for their family. They had two young girls. Sad.

Yeah.

I mean, Andrew, it's just broken, man. I mean, and it didn't, it, that didn't just happen. It happened. It was an intentionally, intentional outcome because of policy decisions. Right. And not putting just basic guardrails on the market. And we have— I mean, Walmart is the largest private employer in Idaho, 9,000 employees. They've got 27 stores. If you look at the per-store metrics, they're probably doing over $3 billion revenue in the state, probably shipping back to Arkansas a quarter million, a quarter billion dollars, $250 million, something like that. And they are— when you look at Idahoans on the Medicaid expansion, population. It's about 80,000 Idahoans, right? They're, they're making too much money to be eligible for Medicaid but not enough for the health exchange. Um, the number one employer is Walmart. The number two employer is Amazon. The number three employer is McDonald's. So Idaho taxpayers are subsidizing, you know, the biggest retailer in the world. One in eight of their employees are getting healthcare from Idaho taxpayers. Amazon is, is just outrageous in terms of how they treat their employees in the state. And this is, you know, and I've spent most of my career in two Fortune 100s. I'm disgusted by what I see, Andrew. It's completely outrageous what corporate America is doing right now. And I think we need to hold them accountable. And I mean, without sounding corny, we need to get back to when these corporations were families, man, and they felt a duty to their employees and a duty to their communities. And it wasn't just this extractive capitalism where, you know, little red states like us and Wyoming and the others, I mean, we just get taken— we get taken advantage of.

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Yeah, yeah, yes. Uh, my, my joke is that America's new slogan should be, America, we extract as much revenue from you as possible. That's like our, uh, our new MO, uh, here in the good old US of A. Um, well, Todd, uh, I love your campaign and your candidacy. I think you are exactly the kind of earthquake that would shock a lot of other people, but it makes perfect sense to me. You know, you have a one-party state that has completely gone uncompetitive. You know, it sounds like the guy hasn't shown up to a public town hall in 18 years. You know, he's just doing his thing in D.C. and then taking his tolls. How can people— how can people boost your campaign, get behind you where can they go to donate?

Yeah, well, I— and Andrew, I appreciate your support of the campaign too. You know, AchillesForIdaho.com is the website. You know, there's a donate button there. People can jump on. You know, the support is just deeply appreciated. We run a really lean campaign and we're punching way above our weight right now. And help from more folks would make a huge difference there. And if you're in Idaho, You know, join our volunteer army. We've got over 1,300 volunteers that have signed up all over the state. You know, we intend to just be a door-knocking machine for the last couple of months. We want to knock on a third of the doors in the state. That's about a quarter million doors and have those conversations. And I think the really interesting thing is running as an independent in Idaho, the typical exchange is like this. It's like, hey, I'm Todd, I'm running against Jim Risch. They're like, oh, that's great. He's too old. He needs to go. Now, what are you, man? Are you a Republican or are you a Democrat? And, you know, I respond with, well, neither. I'm running as an independent. And the response is invariably, man, I like you already.

Yeah.

No, that's, that's what Idahoans are looking for.

That's what they need. So they see you and they think, okay, seems sane and pleasant and, you know, not a maniac, not openly narcissistic. And then they're like, what, what party? And say independent. Be like, oh, that's what I like, man. How can a guy named Todd Achilles not win the battle? AchillesforIdaho.com. You would be just such a fascinating figure in D.C. because most people have never thought about Idaho politics for a moment. And if you were to show up and be like, hey, I'm the new independent senator and I'm caucusing with neither of these gangs, you know, people would be like, oh my God, you can do that. So, and we can do that thanks to your stepping up and deciding to take this on.

Well, I appreciate that, Andrew. And again, you've done so much good work for the country in terms of giving people options and talking about how we, how we get out of this, this, you know, just malaise that we're in right now. And I really appreciate it. You're, you're You're, you're, you're— I'm standing on your shoulders, man.

Oh no, someone listened to my podcast, uh, and, and they said, hey, I dip in occasionally. And then they, they, um, said, it's like, wow, like you have do-gooders on. They're like, they're actually people still trying. Um, and that, that's what you are, Todd. You know, you're— I mean, you don't have to do this, obviously. Um, you know what this is? This is just a way to fill your new empty nest schedule. You're like, you know what, Instead of golf like these other ex-corporate goons or whatever, I'm going to go save not just a state, but the country from polarized partisan politics. Congrats. The Forward Party has endorsed Todd. Anyone— I mean, people probably assume that, but you would be a phenomenal antidote to much of what ails us.

I appreciate that, Andrew. Thanks for the time, man.

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