Barefoot and Pregnant

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Well, hello there, Dennis Prager and Julie Hartman. Dennis and Julie, what number is this? You have any idea?

I was thinking about— I think it's 71. Is that right?

By the way, does that not— in a nutshell, it's 70. Does that not in a nutshell show you the speed of life?

I know, we're, we're—

that's scary.

We're approaching your age in, in episodes.

Yes, that's weird. That is truly weird. She doesn't normally come out with weird. Not only was weird, it was a non-sequitur. It's a total sequitur because the number. But yes, but weeks and years have nothing to do with one another.

Well, when we hit 23, I thought, oh well, or the podcast is my age in weeks that I am in years. You don't think about that yet.

I'll tell you what I'm thinking about, as always, because I think because, you know, I have a certain preoccupation with finding you the right man.

Really? You do?

Yes, I do.

I've never noticed. And the viewers have never noticed either.

I know that. But on a very serious note, I was thinking, and this will, this will fascinate you, I believe. When I was your age, I, I was absolutely preoccupied with finding a girlfriend. I really, really wanted one. I found a lot of women, but I didn't find really a girlfriend. And it's— I know why. I'm not, I'm not quote-unquote normal, and I wasn't then. You're not either, and it's one of the reasons we so relate to each other. But that's not the point I want to make. The point I want to make is this: I think, I think I was normal in this way, and I think things have changed radically. My view about finding a girlfriend, or about, if you will, wooing a woman, was a) that I had to woo a woman, which is the tradition until very recently. Men thought, how do I get a woman? And I thought about that a lot, and I I wanted to impress a girl. That was very— not, not fake impress, but impress through achievement, through personality, through the way I spoke, carried myself, things I did. So here is, is a thing you never heard me say, and it'll sound So I suspect foreign to your ears, unfortunately. And I don't think that I was unique at all in this way. I think this was the way it was, especially for my parents, their parents, their parents. Men thought that they had to earn a woman. That is the word. No one uses the word. No one used it then either, but that's what it was. A guy, like you earn an income by doing X work excellently, the thought guys had was, what do I do to earn a woman? To say that that doesn't exist today is like saying that the horse and buggy don't exist today. So I just want your reaction to hearing that. I don't think you've ever heard that verb applied here. And B, is it nonexistent?

Can I ask you a few questions first? Or would you like me to react first?

Yes.

So when you were younger, do you think that this was just a Dennis Prager thing, that you wanted to earn a woman's admiration? Or do you think that other people, other guys thought this way too?

I think other guys thought this way too.

When do you think it changed?

It changed when the horrific idiocy that men and women are basically the same started to be believed. So it started to change already in my generation because that's what we were told at college. Men and women are basically the same. Well, then if they're basically the same, she has to earn me as much as I have to earn her. Or neither of us has to earn the other.

I mean, I agree.

I—

when I was on your show that summer, uh, 2, 2 or 3 summers ago when I was on every Wednesday, we did a male-female hour together and I talked about hookup culture in college and I said men and women are equal but men and women are not the same. And there's a feminist mantra today that women want sex and, uh, want to be as promiscuous as much as men, and that's not true, but we women believe it and we act on it. And no wonder we're unhappy. And no wonder there are fewer couples.

That's right.

I've been thinking— so you asked if I agree. I mean, of course I agree. I see it all the time in my own life, in my friends' lives. People don't even think about the fact that you have to earn a woman. But it's also just in society in general, people don't think about what they may have to do for others. They don't think beyond themselves. For instance, I was telling you before the show, we're taping this episode right after the 4th of July. So it was 4th of July a few days ago. Few people think they have to put up a flag on the 4th of July. Few people think, I should show up for my country today. I should go to a parade and clap at every float and show up and have other people see that this country is important and worth respecting. We don't think in those terms anymore. What do I need to do for other people or something beyond myself? It's beyond male and female. And the final thing I'll say is that I actually blame, to an extent, women more for this problem than men. It's not that I don't blame men. Men should have enough respect and enough wisdom to practice restraint and also be respectful and earn a woman's admiration. Women are the gatekeepers of relationships and specifically of physical intimacy. I think that's completely pretty fair to say, right? Men are pretty much almost always down, if you will, whereas women are not. And so we're the gatekeepers and we now put up with our standards. Have so— we've lowered our standards so much that we put up with this bad behavior. We legitimize it and encourage it. And so if women held men to higher standards, then men would behave better.

There's so much about this I want to raise. So you, interestingly, without realizing it, said something I didn't say.

Okay.

And you are right.

That women are the gatekeepers?

No, no, no. Oh, that. That wasn't relevant to what I was talking about. I was talking about earn a woman.

Oh, okay.

You added the keyword admiration. So people are uncomfortable saying you earn love. I'm not, but leave that aside. Your noun is accurate. I wanted, and men wanted, to earn a woman's admiration. In fact, I have put it after— took me a lifetime to figure what this one sentence out. What do men want? What do women want? Because they're different, they're not identical. Men want to be admired by the woman they love And women want to admire the man they love.

I have heard you say that, and I love it. It goes back to what you wrote in Genesis, I think in chapter 3 or 4, when God is prescribing the consequences, as you say, not the punishments, but the consequences of Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit. And one of them is that Adam will be dominant over Eve. And of course, people, use that line to go, the Bible's misogynistic. And, you know, and you have a brilliant, brilliant essay about that word dominant. And what you said is God already said at the beginning, literally in chapter 1 or chapter 2 of Genesis, that men and women are equal. I will make him a helper that is his equals— the exact quote. See, I read your book. I pay attention. And but you say the word dominant, God didn't mean as He will rule over you and he will be a tyrant. Yes, he will be a tyrant. He will treat you less than. It means that God is describing the reality that women actually want. Women, I want my husband to be taller than I. I want my husband to be smarter. I want my husband to make more money. I want, believe it or not, I would want him in some ways to be more popular. Isn't that interesting? I don't feel that about— I'm happy for other successes. I don't try to tear other people down. I'm not a jealous person. If someone else is successful at something, I admire them and I use that as an opportunity to learn. But I don't actively hope that other people are better at me than things, except for the person, the man that I'm with. Isn't that interesting? And that line in the Bible describes that reality.

I want to emphasize that what you folks just heard is not coming from exactly a barefoot and pregnant kitchen dweller.

Wait a minute, can we pause for a minute?

This is coming from a Harvard, highly successful, highly bright, highly independent woman, and she is acknowledging what she wants in a man.

So why barefoot?

Because they say barefoot and pregnant, you never heard?

I've never heard that.

Really?

Yeah, I had no idea.

No, that's not dated. That is still used. Yeah, that's quickly. Yeah, sure. Barefoot and pregnant. By the way, look at the speed with which she typed that in. Verify the speed of the, the thumbs on the next generation. Yes, you and my parents go No, no, it's not true, but my thumb is too big to do that.

Okay, barefoot and pregnant is a figure of speech most commonly associated with the idea that women should not work outside the home and should have many children during their reproductive years. Huh, what was the other one you used in a D&J? Um, a monkey— I'll be a monkey's uncle or something.

Yeah, you never heard that?

No.

Yeah, well, that is, that is old-fashioned, but, but barefoot and pregnant is common anyway. I'm— all I'm saying is people should understand this is innate in women. They want to admire what I said. They want to admire the man they love. Men want to be admired by the woman they love. It is not exactly the same thing, but it's completely reciprocal. And I believe it's divinely, divinely made. Men and women are exceedingly complex jigsaw puzzle pieces. When it works, it's awesome, but it doesn't work often. That's the fact of life. But that's the way they fit together when, when, when all works out. So back to this, this issue. Of I wanted a woman's admiration. I intuited that that would be enough. If a woman admires a man, it generally leads to love. I mean, unless there's some, you know, physical problem or something uncontrollable, that's sufficient. But that's what I wanted. Men don't want that now. And, and women would not even admit that they want to admire the man. That's your point?

Yes. See, I think that's the problem. Again, I, I don't want to absolve men of responsibility here, but we women are kind of the customers and we're putting up with the store putting out some really bad products.

Perfect.

And we continue to buy the products.

That's right.

If we didn't buy the products, they wouldn't be Right.

You're not— and on the sexual issue, you're not only not the gatekeeper, you— there isn't even a gate.

What do you mean by that?

He just walks right in, right? Let's have sex, baby.

Yeah, well, it's honest that that's true. Men, men are always seeking that.

You can't guard what doesn't exist, right? Again, I mean, the transformation is so dramatic. So when I was at Columbia, the '70s, there were men's dorms and women's dorms. And you had, if you were a man entering the women's dorm, there were certain hours you couldn't be, she had to come back by a certain time. You had to sign in. And it sounds so primitive today, But people were happier. Men and women loved each other much more. They got along much better. Women were not as suicidal, were not as on as many psychiatric drugs as they are today. Which, which, go on.

No, I was just, I was going to say it's because now we women, and not just we women, we as human beings don't understand what we're made of, if that makes sense. I don't mean that in the corny, like, we don't understand what we're made of, we're so great. I mean, like, we don't understand the material with which we're made. Like, I am a woman. I was born with feminine proclivities. The more that I understand those feminine proclivities, as you say, the jigsaw pieces kind of come together. I understand why I admire a man more if he makes more money or if he's smarter. I don't know if I'm saying it very well, but you have to understand what comes with your sex. Does that make sense? And the more that you understand it, the happier you are because it just makes sense.

Anything comes with it.

And the reason why I added on human beings, we don't understand anymore in the United States that we're fundamentally flawed. That used to be just a fact of life that human beings are fundamentally flawed and we need moral instruction to set us straight. We don't get that anymore. And I think it leaves people, interestingly, with a sense of internal turmoil because they don't know themselves. They don't know their nature. You have to know your nature in order to be happy and healthy.

There are two natures. It's so important what you said, but I want people to understand how complex it is. We have— all of us have two natures: human nature, which is universal, and our own nature, which is unique to us. And they both have to be battled. And you have to know both. There is no knowledge of human nature today because it's dismissed. Anyone who thinks people are basically good clearly is an idiot in that regard. They may be a genius in other ways, but in one of the most important things in life, they're truly fools. And they're fooling themselves and others. That means they don't know the human being. They may know themselves in other arenas. I have another matter on this very issue. I just read this week in doing the constant research for the radio show, which is terrific because I am— I— this is a great example, by the way, of fighting your nature. Almost everything I've accomplished, I have forced myself to accomplish.

You say this and I know it to be true, but I know it goes—

I don't see that. I know you don't. Look, write it down as something we have to come to. Okay, because I will— I'll just give you the example that I was thinking of. I read as much as I do about current events because I have a radio show.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I wouldn't do it otherwise.

Yes, exactly. So the following fact that I just read And it's a fact. It's not, not an opinion poll. It's a fact. The largest percentage of Americans in American history are not married— have no— excuse me, worse, have never been married and are 40. The number of 40-year-olds who have never been married is the greatest percentage in American history. 20.

So depressing.

Totally. Oh God, 25%. You know what it was in 1980? I think 8%.

Boy, that's been quick.

The really rapid of the deterioration is, is unbelievable. It's, it's like watching a miracle unfold, a bad miracle.

So I have a, I mean, I, I talk with you about this all the time on the air, but I want to voice it here because I think a lot of listeners will have children who may understand and listeners, they themselves understand. We have a lot of young listeners, which makes me very happy. We just got a letter from one of them, which is very sweet.

Anyway, which one are you talking about? Which letter or which listener?

Or do I know Stephanie? Stephanie.

Who is where?

She's in Florida.

Okay.

Shout out to Stephanie.

Okay. Hi, Stephanie.

Yes, she's entering college. She's going— well, I don't know if I should say on the air where she's going, but she's going to a great conservative college and we're very proud of her. Anyway, I feel stuck because I'm a traditional woman. I would like a man to earn my respect and my admiration. I am not down to hook up on the first date. And it's, it's difficult for me because I go against so much of the existing culture. And so, and I've talked with friends about this because there are a lot of women who are traditional, but they feel like they have to go along with this culture.

Okay. All right. Go on. Cause I want to ask you about that.

Sure. So it's a similar predicament that I have. I've talked about this on the show too, where everyone is telling me to get a TikTok. Because you just get so many views and followers on TikTok, and it would increase awareness of Dennis and Julie and Timeless. And I just, I really, really don't think that I should because A, I talk about the evil effects of social media. I'm always advocating for people to spend less time on it. So I'd feel a bit hypocritical adding on another social media site that I have my, that I present my content. And B, more importantly, China is the biggest threat to the United States. One of the ways that they spy on us is through TikTok. I can't in good faith talk about the threat posed by China and then use the app that they're using to undermine us. Anyway, I will, I will show you the parallel with dating. You're probably thinking, TikTok, dating, how's this going to go together? Sometimes I think, should I just play the game, if you will, with TikTok? Get it, get followers, get eyeballs on the show. And then get rid of TikTok, i.e., succumb to the culture to get the good outcome that I want. I think that with TikTok, and I also think that with dating. Should I just hook up with the guy on the first date? Because that's the—

I mean, I'm not talking about sex. Oh no. Well, hookup means sex.

Oh, well, people my age use it to refer to a range of things. I should be more specific.

They do?

Yes. Like if you make out with a guy, that's hooking up.

Okay, so, okay, I understand. So Anything, not necessarily intercourse.

Yes.

Okay. But it's— but it's some sexual act. Okay. So that's— I understand. I understand your parallel. Okay. So, yeah. Okay. We'll talk about— I'm curious about the TikTok thing, but this is the issue that we're talking about. So let me tell you, as a man, but I don't think one has to be a man, but I have more credibility perhaps in telling you this than if a woman told you this. A guy who— and I've had this because I've had people call the male-female hour, and, you know, they open up to me a lot. A guy who says, if we don't, if we don't hook up, whatever that will mean in it, then, you know, bye-bye. It is like saying to you, I am not worthy of you. In other words, it should be a given to any woman that a man who says that should be said bye-bye to. I don't understand. Well, I'll drop the words I don't understand. I think I do. But it is remarkable, worthy of remarking, literally, that a woman would fall for that.

Well, let me interject, if you don't mind. I have never encountered a man who says that to me. Men don't say— I mean, unless you're a real blankety blank.

I think they say it a lot. Really? Oh, there's no doubt in my mind.

Oh, I never— thank God.

Well, Okay, so I have a theory as to why you don't have that many dates with one guy. You've said goodbye before they get a chance.

I do, I do, I do say goodbye pretty quickly. Hey, but you know what, it's warranted. I don't want people to think I'm like this guy.

No, you are not, you are not.

You know, if there's a freckle on your forehead, I'm going to say no, that's not what it is.

That is not what it is at all. It is not. I mean, look, the number of You're a terrific woman. The number of terrific men is not high. The number of terrific women is not high. I mean, it's just, that's the nature of the game, right? But, but yes, they do say it a lot.

Oh God, I would slap the guy across his face if he said that to me.

Well, all right, agreed. But never— but you did ask the question, is it not worth doing it just to keep the guy?

I was— I— what I was trying to say by that not so eloquent stumbling comment is that I was trying to reveal or indicate that I'm not this abstain until marriage kind of person with any kind of physical touch, right?

And I agree with you. By the way, it's not for now, but one time we should discuss what my belief was when I was single.

I know what it was, and I admire it.

I, I thought intercourse was special. And, and should be saved. I, I didn't fully live by it, but I almost fully lived by it. And I had a very active life with women, for better or for worse. But I did. By the way, since we are— since I already broached the subject, we're so honest. Yes.

I just want to pause for a minute, if you don't mind, and say that sometimes it's uncomfortable, at least for me, probably probably not for you because you've been doing it for so long, being this honest. But I really hope we need public figures who are talking about this openly.

I have put myself out there as sort of a sacrificial lamb because of my desire to help people.

That's what I want to do for women.

Can't help people if you're not honest.

Yes. And that's— I'm telling you my thought process because part of me is like, why am I talking about this so openly?

That is the reason.

But someone, Someone with good values.

So I just want to say, uh, in light of my own experience, I didn't marry till 32, so it was a long, long trek. And, and by the way, very— in, in a non-deep way, a pleasurable one. I, I'm not going to deny it, okay? But my attitude that I just described to you, women would, would acknowledge, and it was obvious to me that they so appreciated my attitude on that matter.

Oh my gosh, I was having a conversation with a guy about this recently.

If you want to win a woman over, totally my attitude.

Totally. That's what I was telling him.

I see you as much more than, uh, a, an intercourse provider.

Yes. I mean, look, that it's just so sad. It really is. It disgusts me and makes me sad beyond belief the way that intercourse is so superfluously regarded now.

It's cavalier.

It's really gross. And I think it's so disrespectful to women. It really, I think, violates the dignity and honor of women.

Well, feminism is what sent—

100%. And so many women capitulate.

I remember saying, I can't believe it. Men have wanted women to say that for the last 10,000 years. And my generation, when I'm single and young, the women are saying this. I couldn't believe it.

Well, you're— I honestly, I really appreciate your honesty in saying that.

I said it then.

Yes, I hear men saying this and I really appreciate when they do because women only— it's only women that seem to not see that are—

that they're fooling themselves.

That they're fooling themselves. We are giving men exactly what they want by this crazy feminism.

Right. And then wonder why they don't commit.

Yes, everything is so— I mean, we've talked about this on the show— perverse today.

You know what this proves? And this is— this is revelatory, has been revelatory to me. You can talk people into anything. That is what I didn't realize. As powerful as human nature is, you know, the culture— the nature-culture battle, which is more powerful? Culture is more powerful, it would appear. So you can— if you can talk women into believing that they have the same exact view of sex as men do, then you can talk people Well, they are. They're talking people into— if you say you're a man and you're a woman, you're a man. You can talk people— men give birth is as absurd as women have the same sex drive as men do.

Yes. So, you know, I love Jane Eyre. Shocker to everyone who listens to me. It's the book I've been reading. You know that. So Jane is in love with this guy, Mr. Rochester, who's the person that she works for, Mr. Rochester, is in love with her. Do you know the first time they kiss is when they get engaged? That's the first time they kiss.

I believe it.

And I mean, look, I wouldn't take that course of action.

No, I wouldn't either. Right. But you know how exciting that must have been?

Yes. And it's so— and you know what? It was so sweet. Anne and I talk about this, my dear friend who I talk about Jane Eyre and all books with. They just, they, they loved each other for each other. That, that's what they established in getting married. That's all they knew. They didn't know each other physically. They just, they, I say just as if it's a minor thing. I mean, they knew each other's minds. They knew each other's souls. They, they really admired and loved each other. And then the physical component came. It is totally the opposite now. I have friends actually who are in, I have only a few friends who are in committed relationships, but If I think about those couples, they all started up out hooking up and then they realized, oh, you're kind of great, we should date. It didn't start with, oh, you're kind of great, we should date and then hook up. The physical preceded the emotional. And so that's, that's the predicament that women have now because we're in this culture where you hook up for a few months and then they make it exclusive. Someone like me, it narrows the pool down by a large percentage. Let's put it that way.

Well, I just go back to my point that the ability of people to fool themselves, if society says fool yourself, it is. And here's the kicker. Not only can you brainwash people into believing anything, even if it's the opposite of their nature, the, the brighter they are, the more easily brainwashed they are. I, I suspect that more women at Harvard, your alma mater, think that men and women are the same than at Boise State.

You're right. I know a lot of people who are utterly brilliant in that they know a lot of facts and they have a fine brain, a fine brain. I mean, immensely impressive academic proclivities, and they're so dumb when it comes to life. Well, no wisdom.

Yes, I've said from the outset of my career I believe my grandmother, who never went to school— I forget, didn't graduate college. She never— I don't think she went to school. If she did, it was only as a child. I believe she knew men better than the average sociology or psychology major at Harvard.

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I'm a big fan of it.

Why?

Well, that was part of— I'll give you a few reasons. They're not in order of importance necessarily, but as they come to my mind. But that is related to, I, I have earned your bonding to me, so much so that you, you have taken my last name. Look, it is impractical. The hyphenation thing is just not practical. What are your children going to do if they marry someone hyphenated or even non-hyphenated. Let's say I'm, I'm Jones O'Neill. Okay. Madison is not— is that a modern girl's name?

Yeah.

Maddie.

Yeah.

All right. Maddie Jones O'Neill. I marry Bill Burkhardt. So we hyphenate that. So I am now So my kids or me, I'm now Maddie Burkhardt Jones O'Neill, right?

Or Jones and O'Neill Burkhardt.

Okay, whatever it is. So it's beyond one generation. It's completely almost absurd. It's done. It's unwieldy. Then there is— okay, that's one thing. Two, I believe in patriarchy in the best sense of the word. I think it's—

that's going to go viral.

I'm sure it will. I believe in masculinity in the best sense of the word. Patriarchy worked.

So how would you define it?

Well, where there is pro forma a belief that The man is the head of the house.

I see.

And taking his name is a way of publicly affirming that. Everybody who is married, in fact, you don't have to be married. Anybody who's grown up with a married mother and father knows to a very large extent the woman runs the house. Let's be honest, okay?

That is true.

But it's good for the woman, it is good for the children, it is good for the man to on some formal level state he's the head of the house. It's de jure, not de facto. De facto, she may well be. I mean, you know my wife. If my wife is not the strongest person I've ever met, then it's true. Then I don't know who is. She took my last name and she loves the fact that she did. She admits that there could have been some last names that she might have balked at.

She would have balked at.

Oh, and I don't blame her, by the way. There was some really awful— I won't say any because some people have them.

You can't help it.

But, but I lucked out. Prager is a perfectly nondescript fine name.

I love Hartman.

Yeah, no, no, you're right. And I hope you find a guy. Well, I'll ask you, so do you want to take your husband's name?

Okay, this is— I'm so glad I brought this up. Before I answer that, I just want to say the way that you positioned it is different from any way I've ever heard it. You said that it signifies that the man has earned your respect.

Yes.

I love that. I think that, Yes. That, that's so, that's so true. And that makes it, that makes it, um, a bestowal of respect upon the woman instead of a sacrifice by the woman. And that's the way that, that's the way that feminists pay. Oh my gosh. It's so patriarchal. Not in the best sense of the term, in the worst sense of the term. For them, there's no best sense of, of the term.

Correct.

But oh, it's, it's so awful. You know, women are, have to go through all this. And I love the way that you said it because that's the way it was originally understood. It's that the man has earned the woman's respect. And also it's sort of like a— gives an air of protection. Like, you are mine, I am yours. This is our family. This is our— this is our bond. And we want to make it public to the world. Also, this is our—

what, what last name will the kids have? Oh, hyphenated name again? No, I mean, logistically, it's very often what happens is the The mother doesn't have the same last name as her children, all for the sake of a feminist statement.

So this brings me to the question that you asked, will I take my husband's name? I have to say I'm a traditional woman. I don't know if I will. Two reasons.

Okay.

A, I like Julie Hartman. I think it has a good ring to it. I've always really liked my name. Number two, professionally, especially because I intend to have a public professional career, I think it's better to keep my name. But I also see myself, if I find the right person, and, you know, obviously I want to start a family, I could see myself doing it, but I may not.

Right. I, and I, I don't judge you on, on either grounds. I think with the right guy you would. And by the way, look, you're— most people are not public figures. Presumably you will be or continue to be or already are, and it's under— it's understood that that's the name you're known by. On the other hand, so I'm curious, did Megyn Kelly— was she always Megyn Kelly or is she married to a Kelly?

No, she's not married to a Kelly. Uh-huh.

Okay. So, but I wouldn't be surprised if she gets mail to Mrs. and whatever her husband's last name is. So you can do both. In your, your personal life, you're his last name, and in your professional life, you're that name.

So what is it Does it feel really good as a man to have your wife? I can imagine.

Yes, that is correct.

And it feels really good as a woman.

Yeah, I can speculate. Oh, that's my theory, that they're really—

Yes, it feels like you're protected.

You're— Yeah, you're—

It solidifies the, the union.

Well, so this will, uh, since you said, oh, wait till they—

You know, that's going to go viral.

Yeah, that's right. So this, this will really go viral. I realized a long time ago what the left most hates are uncomfortable truths, because they're all children. Every leftist is a child. Not every liberal, not every conservative, but every leftist is a child. And children want to live in a fantasy world, so they rebel against anything that's uncomfortable. So here's an uncomfortable truth. In marriage, there is a, a bunch of trade-offs that each sex makes. So let's say she's made the trade-off, I'll take your last name. So here's a trade-off that a man makes. Men give up their sexual nature by staying monogamous. That's just a fact. That's, that's a fact that the left denies because of their childish nature. That it's an unpleasant truth. Everyone knew this all of history, but we live in the age of denial of truths. And for most women, for— let's put it this way— for any woman happily married, and I don't mean giddily married, just contentedly married, monogamy is not a major challenge. No matter how happy a man is, monogamy is a challenge because that's not his nature. His nature is polygamous. And gay men are the proof. Uh, Avi— uh, um, what's Ami Horowitz, the great filmmaker? You know, I mean, so he just told me his next film, and PragerU puts it out among others, is, uh, he asked— he was at a gay pride, uh, parade event.

Yeah.

So he asked gay men, how many sexual partners have you had? And he asked gay women, how many sexual partners have you had. Gay men were— the minimum was in the hundreds, many in the thousands. The, the average lesbian was under 10, well under 10, but certainly under 10, which is— comports with every study I ever read about the issue. If you want to know male sexual nature, go to the gay community. Because the— all the misogyny nonsense and all these other things, or culture, they— it all falls, by the way, male— gay males generally can act out their nature because they're pursuing men, not women. Women control male sexual nature. So men, in getting married, make a sexual sacrifice to be monogamous. By the way, it's a sacrifice well worth making, in my opinion. And I am faithful. It is a non-issue. But I am a male. I know men. So There is a contract, as it were. I give that up and you give certain things up too. That, that's how, that's how a family is made. That is how a marriage is made. Not I do whatever I want and you do whatever you want. It just can't work then.

That's, that's with every relationship. I mean, the most prominent example is husband-wife, but that's with parent-child, friend and friend, boss and employee, you always have to make sacrifices for the other, or do kind of make— to make the relationship work. Oh gosh, what was I going to ask? Bingo, everyone. I wonder how many bingos we've gotten.

Oh, you didn't write it down?

No.

Yeah.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about. I know. Well, usually you do too, because we sometimes forget, but you should check out the Dennis and Julie bingo, which is really fun. And there are people who send me, like our listeners, they DM me pictures of them playing it. Do you know what DM means?

No.

Direct message.

Really?

Yes. Anyway, back to—

How do they send you a direct message?

On Instagram. Do you know what Instagram is? No, I'm kidding.

No, I vaguely know it.

I wish I didn't know it. So, okay, I actually, I did write it down. As it were. I thought that I didn't. What you just said about uncomfortable truths goes back to what I said a few minutes ago when I took a pause and said, look, at least for me, sometimes it's uncomfortable to go to these realms. Not terribly uncomfortable, but a little bit. But I feel such a responsibility, especially as a young woman, to talk about these issues openly. Also, I'd like to tell the audience maybe one of the most wise things you've ever said to me, which is Which is saying something because you've got a lot of wisdom in you. It was one of the first times that I met you when I was working for you, and you were talking about something on the air that was gutsy. I don't remember what it was. Oh, it was vaccines. I remember you were— it was during COVID and you were urging people to reconsider their wanting to get a COVID vaccine. And I asked you during a commercial break, I said, How do you filter whether or not you should say something? If it's maybe, you know, sometimes it may just not be worth it to go to the vaccine place, for instance, because of all the crap you're going to get. And you said, I have one rule. Is it true? If the answer is yes, then I say it. I really appreciated that. And I have tried to live by that in my professional career and in my own life. Is it true? Then I'll say it doesn't matter if it's uncomfortable. Also, I want to understand the world that I'm living in. I want to understand the life that I got. As, as I said earlier in the show, you're a happier, healthier person when you understand your own nature, both your own individual nature and your human nature and your gender's nature. Yes, there are some uncomfortable truths with male-female relations, male sexual nature being one of them, but running away from that makes it worse. Because you live in a fantasy world and you try to refigure reality to meet, to make it the reality that you would want. Understand the reality that you're in, accept it, and you'll be happier. That's my big— I wish so many young girls, you know, who, who try to convince themselves that they are as promiscuous and as sexually inclined than men, they're doing themselves such a disservice. It's uncomfortable that men want sex more. It's uncomfortable.

Well, it's not that— understand this, by the way, the big difference, it's not primarily that they want it more. That, that is generally true. Yeah, absolutely. The big difference is they want variety, right?

Which is also extremely uncomfortable.

Extremely. It's, it's—

and foreign to women because women do not have that.

It's 100% very foreign to women. It makes no sense to women. That's why the, including conservative, many conservative women don't want to face this truth, which I realized as a result of some comments that I made. And yes, an issue, they, you know what, I'm not enough for my husband. What kind of nonsense is that? That's not the issue. You're not enough. There's no such thing as enough for a man. It doesn't exist.

This is the point.

Understand, King Solomon had 1,000 wives. Okay. Wilt Chamberlain had thousands of sexual partners, the famous basketball player, because he could.

Right.

And no, no woman fantasizes 1,000 men. The idea is preposterous. It's actually repulsive to a woman's nature.

Okay. I hope this makes sense. It makes sense in my head, and I hope when it comes out, it's going to make sense. I believe that the truth is good as opposed to evil. And I hope— bear with me a little bit here. And so when you just said women feel like they're not enough if their man wants multiple partners, I believe if you understand the truth, you will feel happier again because the truth is good. It's not that you're not enough.

That is— that's— go on.

No, but it's— I hope I'm making sense.

You are. It's not that you're not enough. Finish the sentence.

It's not that you're not it's that the reality is you can be Beyoncé, as we saw, and Jay-Z, because he's a man, well, desires many women.

Men married to the most gorgeous women on earth cheat, right? Yes. So, so it's not you. Now, there are occasions where an infidelity is, is in part caused by the partner, male or female. But, but it— that's not the issue. The issue is not that you're not gorgeous or desirable or whatever. That's his nature. He has to fight it, but that is his nature. And it is, as you put it correctly, beautifully, foreign. It is just foreign. I've said all of my life, telling women about male sexual nature is like having humans understand orangutans.

It's true. I feel like I can get a lot of people. I, I honestly, I think I could understand kidnappers or thieves better than I can understand men's sexual nature.

That's correct.

That is totally foreign.

You can, you can, you can know it, but you can't understand it. There is no analog in the female.

So I'll give you another example because I want to, I want to develop this with this statement that I have, that truth is good. I'll give you another example. When we talk about race issues, people on the left get really uncomfortable acknowledging the fatherlessness issue that overwhelmingly is in the Black community, that 55% of those who commit murder are Black. They're uncomfortable acknowledging those issues. And I think it's because they're afraid, I mean, there are a lot of reasons, but I think some people are afraid of acknowledging, those issues because they're afraid it's going to descend into like a eugenicist argument that Black people inherently have proclivities to commit crime and run out on their families more than— but the thing that I say to people is no, if we really understand the fatherlessness issue and the crime issue, if it leads us to the truth, it will not lead us to eugenicism because the truth is good.

Or bigotry.

Or bigotry. The truth is not bigoted. The truth is not biased. The truth is good. So that's what I want to tell people who are so afraid of confronting those issues.

Ladies and gentlemen, does that make sense? This is why I adore her.

Oh, well, I'm so glad. I hope it's making sense to people because I don't know if I'm saying it in the best way.

You are.

The reason they lied about female nature, they said it when I would ask men, why are you going along with this lie that women and men have the same natures, including sexual natures? They, oh, they actually admitted it. They don't anymore. They admitted it. They would say, because the moment you establish that they have different natures, it will lead to inequality.

Yep.

And to forced role-playing. They admitted they lied for the greater good of male-female equality. That's right. The leftists believe it's always okay to lie for the greater good of equality or the greater good of— name the greater good— environmental justice, whatever their end is. You're allowed to lie.

Yep.

And this was the arena where it started for exactly what you said. You think, and I think, Truth is our best friend. Of course, that is exactly right.

That's why I so believe in God, because I feel like truth is an allegory for God. The truth is, is always with us. It is unchanging and it can't go away. If I give you 5 apples, that will in every universe be the same that I gave you 5 apples. It will never be true that I gave you 4. I just, I love the truth.

There is a Hebrew saying.

Because it's so consistent.

The signature of God is truth.

Yes, and that's why, again, if you look at like, some people are afraid to acknowledge that men are better than math. If you go down to the truth, or better at math than women, if you go down to the truth, you'll see that the truth is equal. You'll see that it's not bigoted. Men may be better at math and science, but women are far better at writing and verbal skills. The truth is a good thing. It is equal. And that, that is an allegory for God because God created truth.

Nice.

Well, I hope so. You know me, I'm going to ask you after this episode, how bad was it? How bad was I? I always say that's true. I don't think you've ever said that an episode was bad. And I know he would tell me. I really believe you would tell me if if it were bad, would you?

Sean just said in my earphones he doesn't think women are better at writing.

What? Are you joking? Women are far better at writing. Far better.

So it is an interesting— no, no, no. Verbal skills. So here, here is the way I think it works in writing, and I write well, so I'm not I'm not using me as an example. Far more women write well than men, but men are as likely to be the best writers as women are.

Well, I think that's true of, of math and science, but with the inverse.

No, I don't think it's true because women are not more likely to be the best in math and science.

I think, I think they are.

Really? Oh, I mean, in math and science?

Yeah. Hmm.

Well, there are very few Nobel Prize laureates in math and science among women.

Well, I think fewer women pursue it, but if—

right, right.

So I think an individual woman is as likely as an individual man Oh, that's okay.

Oh, I see. Okay, so that— well, that remains to be seen. I don't know if that's true, but in the writing, far more women write well than men do. But among the best writers, it is, it is, it is, it is an interesting question among the best writers. And women have been writing now for, for decades. As, or is published at least as much as men. I don't know the— I don't know, because with regard to fiction, I assume we're thinking fiction here, right?

Sure, let's go with fiction. I'm thinking anything.

So first of all, women read novels probably 10 times more than men do. It's just, it's the way it is, because women love stories. And men love data. That's why men, men memorize batting averages.

You know, it's true. Yeah, I know many who do. Who? I know many men who do. Yeah, exactly.

Well, it comes naturally. Yeah. So what's so-and-so batting this year? Oh, 268. Oh, okay.

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By the way, it's— the whole thing is interesting because take chefs. Far more women cook than men. But the best chefs are men.

Is that true?

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

Yes, that I do know. And I'm not into cuisine, but I happen to know that. Isn't that interesting?

Where are you getting it from?

Just look. That's a classic. Just look it up. In fact, I'm not even aware of Google right now, uh, the 10 greatest chefs in the world. See what comes up. How many of the first—

I'll do it fast.

Yes, you will. How many of the first names will be female?

Wait, what was the question? How many?

No.

Oh, top 10.

The top 10 chefs in the world.

By the way, how do you spell chefs?

C-H-E-F. Good. By the way, I won a spelling bee when I was a kid.

I know, I saw the list. I saw it and I couldn't, I couldn't spell it correctly. And now I, now I remember it because it so pissed me off that can—

that's funny.

All right, who is the best chef? This is— well, there are so many different sources.

Oh, it doesn't matter, it's irrelevant. Oh, so see what— just see what comes up.

Okay, top Michelin star chefs in 2023. Okay, it's loading.

That's a good— Michelin would be a good, uh, a good guide, I assume.

Okay, the first is a man, second is a man, Third is a man. Maybe the truth isn't equal. Fourth is a man.

So why do I feel vindicated? How do you know that, Dennis? Okay, Google it.

Fifth is a woman. Let's go, Anne-Sophie.

Yeah. All right.

We love you, Anne-Sophie.

We do.

Number 6 is Gordon Ramsay. I've heard of him. Yeah, man.

Right.

7 is a man.

Right.

8 is a man.

Okay, fine. So 1 out of 8, probably.

9 is a man.

This is, this is a precious moment.

10 is a man.

You know why? For her reaction. That's why this sucks. That's why this is—

okay, I retract it. The truth is equal. Damn you, truth. Gosh, there was only 1 female. That's crazy.

No, but why it's so interesting is far more women cook.

Yes, that's right.

That's why it's so interesting. By the way, it will remain— I believe it will remain true in composing music. There are— there were so many women composers today, but 100 years from now, you will still have the greatest composers are overwhelmingly male. It's just the way the brains are made, that's all.

So what are women better at than men?

Finding flaws in men.

Oh God. Oh no.

That was dedicated to your dad.

Yes, that's true. For those who are unaware, tell people the story. Yes.

Yes.

It is precious.

So all the great stories hearken back to the first few days I was working for you. 'Cause I was so, you know, aware of everything you did, wanting to learn. I was at your house and we were looking at some of your language books. My favorite thing to this day is to go to your house and look at your library. It's so fun. We're looking at some of your language books and you turn to me and you go, you know, wife is Sanskrit for flaw finder.

She who finds flaws in her. Yes.

Because Dennis is always going, the Hebrew root of blah means this. Right, right, right.

So I don't, oh my God. And I said it with a straight face.

You said it with totally straight face. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna go home and tell my parents. So I go home at the dinner table. How's, how's your time working with Dennis? What did you learn? I'm like, oh, he's such a, he, he, you know, loves all these languages. He speaks all these languages. He knows so much. Did you know that wife is Sanskrit for flaw finder? And my dad just starts cracking up. And then I realized I had been played.

Right. But I didn't say it to play you. I say it.

You probably thought it was clear that you were joking.

That's right.

I had no idea.

Yes, that's exactly right. But every man knows how accurate it is.

I would say women are far better at details and remembering things. They're far more detailed. I would say women are more organized than men.

And well, it may sound trivial, but in life it's certainly not trivial. It's not the same as composing symphonies in some great macro sense, but every man knows women find things far more than men do. I know, I know it sounds— it's not trivial, but if you lose something, that's more important than Beethoven's Fifth. Do you know my story about I couldn't find my tablet in my hotel room? A thousand miles from home, I called up Sue, where's my tablet? And she told me exactly where it was. But by the way, it is a very interesting question. I don't want to evade it and/or avoid it. What are women better at than men? So it is, well, first of all, I do, because we live in a sick society, and I mean sick the whole West, What I'm about to say will sound condescending, but only among people on the left is it condescending. If you have a baby, women wake up when a baby cries far sooner than a man will. The species is dependent upon her sensitivity, her light sleeping. To hear the problem with a baby. And when all is said and done, that's more important than novel writing. But in a society that doesn't value anything having to do with home work, it's not valued. But on those matters, there's no competition.

It's the ultimate irony because the left says that women in the home are disrespected, but they disrespect homework. That's why devaluing it.

They're speaking— forgive me, I'm interrupting.

Forgiven.

They are speaking about themselves, just like when whites on the left say all whites are racist. They're speaking about themselves. They're not speaking about me. I know I'm not racist.

Yep. Well, I have come to see in the past few years how extremely important homework— not homework, school homework. Yes, you know, not school homework. You taught yourself languages instead of doing homework. Home space work, raising a family. I mean, that is— as I was listening to Andrew Klavan the other day, he said that is the most important job in the world. And I used to think that was a throwaway line. People go, oh, being a mom is the most important job in the world. I'd be like, okay. You're pandering. I think it really is.

Well, what's more important?

What is more important? I mean, it's the development of civilization.

Sean said that he looked it up. What are women better than men? What did they say? Women are cleaner. That's— by the way, is that true? It's an interesting question because I always believed that, and I am told that It's not all that cleaner in women's rooms than men's rooms.

You are so wrong.

Oh, okay. I always— no, no, I'm happy to be wrong. I always believed women's restrooms were cleaner.

Good. But men's restrooms are disgusting.

I agree with you. That's okay.

I'm standing up for my people.

No, no, no. Too many women have said to me, you don't know because you never go to the ladies' room.

Of course, some ladies' rooms are not neat and tidy, but compare— if you took the worst ladies' room, you know what?

Well, what else? What was on the list? They live longer. Okay. They're better at living longer. That's because— that's because they find all these flaws in men that drives them.

I think— I really think that reading and writing and what is that, left brain? There's right brain.

Oh yeah. Communication issue. Theoretically. Yeah.

Yes. With communicating, reading, writing, I think women are better and men are better at data, math, science, right?

I would be interested to know, uh, see, on the writing, as I said earlier, far more women write well than men, but the best writers are, are not, uh, or it are 50/50. So it's an interesting question. Is it 50/50? I won't talk historically because there was sexism and far fewer women had access to having a professional writing career. But today, I am curious, in the nonfiction arena and in the fiction arena, what among bestsellers— bestsellers doesn't mean you wrote well, but it certainly means you're writing in a way that appeals to people. That's why it's a bestseller. So I would be very curious to know how many bestsellers today, how many of the top 10 are women authors and men authors.

So I have a comment that's probably going to get me in trouble, but uncomfortable truths. Yeah, I'm not afraid to say them. I think that women, when it comes down to the actual writing, are better writers. But I think men— sorry— tend to be clearer thinkers and tend not to let emotion get in the way of their rationality. And I think that in turn maybe sometimes makes them better writers because of the content, especially in nonfiction. But yes, yes, especially in nonfiction. And you know what's sad too? We won't be able to see if it's really true that women are better writers, because now there's such a war on merit, and women are being taught to not really get better at the craft but insert woke storylines in their books. You go to the New York Times, and growing up, my mom used to read the New York Times Book Review religiously and really relied on it for, for good books. And now there's just all these Black women or gay people, or, and there's, you know, they could have wonderful books, but they're being chosen because they're Black or they're gay. So the great female writers are not being elevated and they're not. And so we won't really know.

The end of meritocracy is the end of civilization.

That's what I said on Dennis and Julie. I said it's a war. The war on merit is a war on civilization.

You said that on Dennis and Julie. Was that last time?

3 times ago.

That's amazing.

Well, because I was, I was proud of that.

But you were right. That is demonstrable. That's why, that's why North America is more successful, has been, than South America. It's been meritocratic, and they have been, uh, they, they made appointments by family That is by blood and, and by power.

Everything now is a war on civilization. I, I think I said this 3 times ago. The main distinction in the United States isn't even Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal. It's civilizational versus non-civilizational values. A war on merit is a war on civilization. A war on the nuclear family is a war on civilization. The war on police and, and prisons is a war on civilization. All that we're seeing—

war on Shakespeare.

All, all, literally all of it. There was a guy in, I think it was in Denver, Colorado. I think it was in Denver that was taking a video at, he was working at a convenience store, just came out a few days ago and he took a video of people shoplifting. He didn't even do anything and he just took a video and he was fired. He was fired for taking a video and posting on the internet.

Send me that.

I will.

That is very—

and Lulu, 3 Lululemon employees at their Atlanta store chased thieves out of the store and they were fired for chasing thieves out of the store because the CEO said that the company policy is that you can't— you shouldn't interact with thieves because they could get violent. And those employees, by breaking the policy, put other patrons at risk. This is anti-civilization.

Totally. What it is also is profoundly anti-male. Because your instinct to protect people is now going to be punished. Like, like the guy in New York, the famous case where he put a chokehold on a guy threatening people in the subway.

Yes, Daniel Penny.

Yeah, and he, he's arrested, uh, for homicide.

How many people are going to be killed because we are being taught to suppress our instincts?

To the left, it doesn't matter. People keep voting for Democratic mayors no matter how much crime is in their city. That's the proof. Why? Why? Because for most people who vote Democrat, they have been so profoundly brainwashed into the belief that the great threat to society is from the right that no matter what the facts are, they will continue voting left. That, that is the reason, because I know these people. I mean, they're in my extended family. They're people I adore, uh, in other— in every other way, uh, I know them. I grew up that way, like, you know, New York Jewish Democrat. That's redundant, but that's what I was.

It's funny.

It is funny. As I always say, in New York On your birth certificate, your party is permanent, your sex is changeable.

Oh God, is that true? That's so sad, but also really funny. Yeah.

All right, 4 more things women are better than. He's, he's, uh, he's obsessed now. Okay, go ahead, I'll repeat them to you. Yeah, women score higher on IQ tests. Shows— okay, before you flex your biceps, I'll comment on it next.

Don't have any.

Women are better at seeing colors. This is really what you call— this is actually this list. It's women's— not women's best friend.

Well, you know what I was thinking? They're gonna take— what's that show that always gets you? The Young Turks, right?

Yeah.

By the way, the Young Turks in the Ottoman Empire were not Turks. They were mostly non-Turks, just totally useless. The Young Ottomans were Turkish. The Young Turks were Jews, Arabs, Greek minorities in the empire.

All right, what else?

They're going to take a list. They're going to go, Prager says that women are only good at cleaning, seeing colors, and finding things.

I never said only good. I know, that's what they're going to do.

That's what they're going to do.

Okay. By the way, I don't even have a vested interest. I couldn't care less.

Of course.

If women composed better symphonies, I would still love their symphonies.

Exactly.

I don't have an agenda.

I know. But they do.

Okay, fine. Okay. You have no idea the nonsense. Okay, what's the last one? Women are better at investing than men.

Interesting. I don't know if that's true.

I have no idea because I'm crappy at it.

I'm so crappy at it. Gosh, we are really similar. We're similar in a lot of ways. I hate dealing with money.

How are we not similar?

Uh, oh, I'll tell you. Audio equipment? I'm sorry, I don't get it.

Yes, do you know it's funny— well, no, that, that's irrelevant, but it is interesting. I was— it's funny you should say that because I think about you a lot. It's a— it's— you're a blessing in my life, okay? It's just a fact. And I was thinking, well, there is something we do not share— classical music.

I know, but I'm getting into that.

You are? By the way, I— by the way, there's not an iota of me that cares.

I know you don't. I'm doing it for— I think in order to be an informed citizen of the Western world, I ought to listen to and understand classical music. Also, it's beautiful. It's— I'm getting used to it because I grew up not listening to any.

You're making an effort to like it. Well, what is your musical love to begin with? I mean, you may not Billy Joel.

I know Elton John, Madonna.

So, so do you love it or you enjoy it?

Classical music?

No, no, no. Those three, for example.

I love them.

You do? Okay.

You don't like Billy Joel?

No, I didn't say that. I, I mostly love classical music. When you played The Piano Man on my stereo, I was as moved as you were.

The Piano Man is beautiful.

It's a gorgeous piece of music.

Music Today. We could do a whole episode of Music Today. I don't know if we have time.

I regret we raised the issue. You have no idea how much nonsense is being in coming through my earphones.

Oh, from shows.

Okay, empathy. Women empathize. That's— that— yes, they may. Well, that's right, that it's turned out to be a problem. Oh, we empathize with—

with a 13-year-old coming off her breasts.

Yes, exactly.

Okay, I don't know if that's true.

I— yeah.

Oh, sorry. I— sorry, Sean, to interrupt your tirade. I don't know if we have enough time for this, but we should save it for a subsequent Dennis and Julie episode. I am such a truth lover. As I've said repeatedly, I believe the truth is good. And so when there's something uncomfortable in the truth, I want to understand why God made it that way. And one of those is this male sexual nature. It's uncomfortable. Part of me— but there has to be a reason why men have more of a sexual drive than women, and I want to understand that.

I have an answer for you. We'll do it next time. Oh, oh, the fact that you asked it— you have no— I'm sorry, I'm just effervescing today in this regard. That is exactly how I think. 'Give me the truth, and then I have to figure out why did God make it that way.' That's exactly my mode of thinking. But it's Sue's mode of thinking.

And again, I know I'm a broken record— you're happier. You're so much of a happier person.

Yes, you think you don't have to rebel against reality. That must make you unhappy. Yep, that's exactly right. That, that is why I beg women to listen to my 3-part course on male sexual nature. It's at the Prager Store, which is with the— I don't even own the Prager Store, but that's where it is. It's online, it's owned by my syndicator. But, uh, it profoundly influenced Sue before we married, and it has been a blessing because she's so rational. If she hears something that makes sense, she just She thinks truth is her friend too.

Truth is everyone's friend.

That's right. That's a good note to end on. It is really powerful. You know, I think in musical terms, so we'll just say something about this podcast. So most every symphony is in 4 movements, not all, the vast majority. Almost all concertos are in 3 movements. Sonatas are in 4 movements, and so on. This podcast was in 1 movement. That's how I think about it, which is very rare for a symphony. In fact, it's almost unheard of. But we went on really on 1 topic. We allowed variations on a theme, but there was 1 overarching theme, and it's Look, every broadcast is its own symphony. That's a nice way to put it.

That's a really nice way to put it. And I want to remind the audience, we don't, we don't discuss what we're going to talk about on the show beforehand. We just sit and do it. There is zero planning.

It's as real as you can get.

Totally spontaneous.

Yeah.

And it just, yeah, it just, maybe I, I think I walked in today and I told you I was going on a date or I, was talking with someone and then boom, that's what we talk about. But we don't, we don't plan any of it.

I would like to be a fly.

Oh, I know. I know. We've talked about this. I want to be a fly. Did I ever tell you the story of when I crashed my friend's date?

No.

I spied on her on a date. One of my best friends.

Purposely?

Yes. It was so fun. My other friend did it. We like put on disguises and sunglasses and a scarf and were holding the menu up high.

By the way, that of a movie. Interestingly, I would like to be a fly on one of your dates to watch him.

Of course.

Not to watch you.

Of course. Oh yeah.

Just for the record. Oh, I'd love to. I want to see how men act on dates. I would fascinate.

You would be appalled.

I would.

I agree with you.

The—

we should probably have ended on the symphony note instead of the you would be appalled note. You can reach me at julie@julie-hartman.com. I love getting your mail and I read all of it, even though I can't always respond. And you can also follow us @JulieRHartman on Instagram and Twitter. You'll see a lot of Dennis and Julie content. And Dennis and Julie premieres every Monday on this Julie Hartman YouTube channel. Maybe we should call it Julie and Dennis. Patriarchy. Dennis is first.

Didn't we establish about taking the last name?

Hmm, there you go. What? What, Sean Z?

He asked me to hit the mic one more time on the way out. Oh God, because I've hit it so many times.

Shalom, everyone! See you next time.

Your beloved dog and a stranger are both drowning. You can only save one. Who do you save? Every time Dennis Prager asks that question, his audience splits three ways. One-third chooses the dog, one-third chooses the stranger, and one-third aren't sure.

Why?

Because we live in an age where increasingly feelings define right and wrong. But if morality is based on emotion, then murder, rape, and theft are just opinions. And if people feel justified, why is rioting or destruction wrong at all? In his new book, If There Is No God, Dennis Prager explains why civilizations cannot survive without objective morality and why Judeo-Christian values shape the moral foundations of the free world.

If you claim that certain things are good, certain things are evil, independent of how you feel about it, you are in effect affirming God.

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