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Music puts you in a certain mood. It's amazing. Hi everybody, Dennis Prager and Julie Hartman, the Dennis and Julie Podcast. How would I summarize this this.

It's—

it just hit me. If somebody were to say to me, so in 2 sentences, describe the Dennis and Julie podcast.

I've done this a lot.

And what have you said?

I say it's a once weekly hour to hour and a half show about all aspects of life. We tend not to focus on news and timely events, but more greater themes about, again, every facet of life, right?

But it doesn't convey at all, really, the, the uniqueness of our podcast. Well, I'm not sure you can.

And you can't do that about anything in two, you know, in, in two sentences. You can't convey the uniqueness of the MyPillow in two sentences, you know.

That is what we call coming out of left field. In fact, that's why I would say there are many scientists coming out of another galaxy. So I have actually a very serious, uh, opening thought, and I'm not, I'm not thrilled to talk about it because it's difficult and it's painful, and I'd rather do lighter subjects, but it would be dishonest to the moment in which we're living. I want— so you'll find this of interest, and I hope our listeners slash viewers. So how do I react as a Jew to the greatest eruption of Jew hatred and Jew slaughter since the Holocaust, since before I was born? And the What I will offer will be helpful, I hope, to anybody. I'm answering a Jewish question with a universal response. Because I really do understand Jew hatred, aka antisemitism, I am not surprised by the slaughter of Jewish families, the burning of Jews alive, the kidnapping of babies. And why is that relevant? Why is that meaningful? I suspect that much of the pain of life— and I'm thinking aloud, really— And I may be wrong, in fact, but I think much of life's pain comes from surprise.

Hmm.

See, that is why I wrote in my happiness book, 1999. And of course, if it's in my book, that means I was talking about it well before that. I have so often said When you understand that human nature is not basically good, you are far better prepared for the hurts of life from other people than if you think people are basically good, right? A— well, which goes to your superb point that you've said to me privately how the pursuit of truth is so liberating, or I don't know if that's the word to use, but that's essentially— but I don't want to get sidetracked. This is really important. I wrote a book in my 20s, maybe I was 30, maybe I was 30, about antisemitism. It's called Why the Jews. It's in its third edition. It's still in print, Simon and Schuster. Publisher.

It's amazing.

It is amazing.

Simon Schuster.

I mean, yes, that's right.

That is the fact that it's still in print, the fact you were when you were 30, third edition. Yeah, it's really amazing. Kudos.

Thank you. And my co-author and I, we, we explained antisemitism, the— that there It's unique. Of all the hatreds of the world, it is— there are so many hatreds. Koreans don't like the Japanese, the Japanese don't like the Chinese. I mean, that's it. The Germans don't like the Poles.

We did a list of that last week.

Yeah, it's endless, endless.

Turks hate Greeks.

Colombians don't like Ecuadorians. I mean, it's endless, but nobody wants to eradicate the other groups. It doesn't occur to people. We're going to wipe out every member and their country, every member of that group and the country. But that is antisemitism. It is exterminationist in its hatred. So it depressed me, the events of October 7th. 2023. But it didn't surprise me, and I realize that that enables me to handle it a little better.

That's a very profound point, that a lot of pain comes from surprise. I think that you're right about that part. You know, I've talked in the show about how sometimes I obsess about my parents' death, and I think part of the reason why I do that— and it's gotten better, but certainly when I was younger, I would really obsess about it— and I think I'm trying to prepare myself for the day when it comes. And, and weirdly, I think that my obsession with it has harmed me in the sense that it's prevented me from sometimes enjoying that they're with me, and it's made me worried about things that I can't control. But I do think when that day comes, and may it be a long time from now, I think I will be more prepared for it because I have thought about it, and it certainly won't be a surprise.

Yes, that's, that's a perfect example.

Doesn't mean the pain goes away, which I know you're not saying, but I think a large amount of it is the surprise.

That's right. So that's why it's so important to have a realistic understanding of the world. Aside from that's the moral demand made on all of us it's also for selfish reasons.

It—

you are sort of protected in your— there's Dr. Marmer, our mutual friend, said to me once, Dennis, you have really good shock absorbers. Part of my shock absorbers are that I don't get many shocks.

So this is hard for me to answer because I know the way that I walk through life, and it is This is going to go wrong. That is going to go wrong. I'm going to fail at this. This person's going to die. I'm going to lose all my money. I'm going to be homeless and I'm never going to get married. That's kind of the way my mind works. Not all the time, but really, I know, you know, it is. That's my, that's my default. And so honestly, a lot of the time I'm very pleasantly surprised because I expect things to go very wrong. Do you think most people walk through life with the opposite worldview, that they, that they think that they're immune from losing money, losing a family member, etc.?

I think they do. I think it's a very, very good question, which is why we do Dennis and Julie. Just— okay, I'll, I'll just leave that out there. That's a very good question. I do believe that people tend to think they're immune from what happened to the next guy. There used to be— I think it was in the New York subways, because I grew up in New York City, and I think— I, I know it was in New York. I, I don't know if it was on the subway or or not, but there was sort of, not a sort of, there was a sign and it said something to this effect. Hello, you're the next guy, or you're the other guy. And it was a very profound statement. You think, oh, that happens to the other guy. Hello, you are the other guy. There has never been a moment of my life that I thought that the bad things that happen to other people early cancer, killed by a drunk driver. I have never for a nanosecond thought it couldn't happen to me.

And people think that, that because they're a good person, they're somehow cosmically immune from the tragedies or the surprises that happen. I think you're right about that. I mean, on this show, it was, I think, one of the best discussions we've ever had. I said to you, and this is part of what I love about this show, apropos of what we were talking about a few minutes ago, how would you describe it to other people? We really explore things and we learn from one another and we change our minds on the air, which is great that we both allow ourselves to do that because a lot of people would want to have their opinions totally set before they go in the air. But we were open.

Or think it's weak to change their mind.

Right, they think it's weak, exactly. By the way, I want to talk about that actually, in light of my former classmates at Harvard having their names published for signing.

I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on that.

Let's put a pin in that and talk about that.

But I want to continue this.

Yes, I do too. So we had a discussion on Dennis and Julie a few episodes ago where I said to you, I think if God forbid one of my parents got hit by a drunk driver tomorrow, I would have a harder time with my faith in God. And your response to me kind of set me straight and was totally right where you said, so if it happens to other people, you don't lose your faith in God, but if it were to happen to you, you would. And that's totally right. And so circling back to this point, we shouldn't think that, oh, that's, you know, those kinds of things just happen to other people. We're just as—

Yeah, you're the other people.

We are the other. Exactly. Yes.

That was that. That's the sign. Yes.

That you are the other person.

Right. Listen, if I told this, you'll know because you're a living Google. Did I mention on a Dennis and Julie episode a speech I gave to a London synagogue? No, I didn't think so. Okay, good. I didn't think so, but I can't remember. I do a lot of speaking. So years ago, I was the speaker at a London synagogue, an Orthodox synagogue. And then it was time for questions and answers, and a man gets up, and since I talked about theology, he asked a theological question. And he said, "I'm curious, Mr. Prager, how do you explain a Jew who is religious and who is a good person and who keeps the Sabbath and who prays every day and keeps kosher and gets cancer at 45 years of age, right? And I don't know what example he picked, but something like that. And I admit it's, it's hard to shock me, but the question shocked me. So I looked at the audience. This is part of the way I have learned so much about human nature, is to ask people what they think. And I said, would you raise your hand if you agree with this gentleman that if you are a religious observant Jew, good person, you are essentially immune from early cancer or early heart attacks? And most of the hands went up. And I looked at them, you know, I felt bad, but I said, why on God's earth do you believe that? On what grounds, given all the people who have done exactly what you've said and did have cancer and did get an early heart attack?

Well, again, it's this idea. I'm a spectacularly good person. I'm very absurd. I really, it's where it's kind of the intentions rule all. I think people tend to think, well, and by the way, I'm saying this as someone who, at times and moments in my life have indulged similar ideas, right? And indulged in similar ideas. My intentions are so pure. I really want to do right by everyone around me.

And you do. I know.

So maybe I am a little bit immune from—

Do you feel that now?

No, I don't.

You've completely extirpated it from your conscience?

I can't say completely. No, I can't say completely.

I have completely.

I believe that. I believe that, but I, but I also believe it's taken you years to do that.

Nope.

Oh really?

I will tell you, uh, at a very early age, I, I have only— I'll tell you what is recent. Relatively recently, I have realized how rational I am and how atypical that is among human beings. And by the way, my rationality is, is is mostly a gift, but it is in some ways a negative in that having no mystical parts of me or no, you know, the normal non-rational— I don't say it at all as a negative— parts of religiosity. I can't relate to the sort of religious ecstasy that a lot of religious people have, whatever their religion. You know, my high is, you know, is my Friday night Shabbat meal. That's my religious high. But it's not at all irrational that I have it, because the Christians who come to that dinner have a high too. Yes, yes, right. Me? Yes, you, among others. So anyway, I, at a very early age, to be honest, and you will, you will come to it too. I know you very well. And by the way, it's to your credit even that you've already started to work on it at such a young age. I don't know the age. Maybe when I was 12. I don't know what I, at what exact date I realized it, but I realized it very early. There was nothing between me and paralysis by a drunk driver other than, uh, the guy who did get paralyzed by a drunk driver was less lucky than me. That, that is 100% how I view it. I don't believe it, it was God's protection because it's not fair why he protects me but he doesn't protect the another nice guy. I'm not the only nice guy on Earth. I'm not the only one worthy of God's protection. I would be sick if I thought that.

So I think I've realized recently that, and really thanks totally. Well, I shouldn't say totally because obviously a large part of it was my parents, but the religious part I can say almost totally thanks to you. I see the world as governed by universal objective moral codes. That doesn't mean that individuals always practice that code, those codes, but But I do believe that if you work hard, if you are kind to other people, if you do certain things the traditional right way, you get a high school and college, certainly high school, but hopefully college education. You get married before you have kids. You are honest in your dealings. I believe if you follow those things, you are setting yourself up for a happy life where you will be rewarded for your good deeds. I think that's true 80% of the time. And I feel like getting older in life is realizing that for the remaining 20%, it's all kind of up in the air. Like sometimes you will work really hard and you will do things the right way and you may not succeed. And that's kind of that what I call the 20%.

That's right. So the, the only question which neither of us can answer is what the percentage is, right? When you say you'll be rewarded, if you— what is it, the 4 basic principles of middle-class values as put by Professor Amy Wax at UPenn, for which she got hated by her colleagues? Graduate high school.

Get married before you have kids.

Right. Yes. But I was thinking the order.

I'm—

yeah, I think get a job, get married, before you have kids, get married, and then have kids. So there are 4, is it clear that there were 4 processes there, 4 steps?

Yes, high school, job, married, kids.

That's right. So you can do, your point is entirely accurate. You can do those and still fail in life.

Right.

Absolutely. So the only question is, and I don't have an answer, You said 80% of the time it'll work. That's a fair number. I don't know, maybe it's 90, maybe it's 60, but generally speaking, that will work. The only thing I want to clarify, listening to you very carefully, was you said you will be rewarded. You didn't mean by God.

No, no, no.

I meant by that behavior.

I meant you'll, you know, find a fulfilling life. You'll make money.

You'll, you know. Okay.

That's what I meant. Yeah.

Okay.

And well, actually, and I think you'll be rewarded by God.

Yeah, but not ultimately. Oh, you mean, you mean in the hereafter?

Yes.

Oh, I— yes, I— all of my sanity eggs are in the afterlife basket. I know, because this world does not provide it. So true. Back to the original, and then we'll get to your Harvard, uh, peers, uh, which I'm very curious to hear what you have to say. I don't know what you have to say. We, we don't rehearse before at all, at all, which is part of, of its, I think What's the word? Blessing or advantage or whatever.

The—

so here is an interesting thing. I said this to my synagogue, uh, the Sabbath that happened. So very recently, I speak there at my synagogue each week, and I said the murder of Jews the murder of children, the kidnapping of Jewish grandmothers, the desire to wipe out every Jew. But it has on me a— this is going to sound, if not sick for many people, as at least bizarre. It actually increases my religious faith.

Why?

Because it proves to me the validity of Judaism, the special role of Jews in the world. That we Jews provoke such destructive hatred on the part of despicable societies is a vindication of the chosenness? Of the chosenness? Not that every Jew— look, you know how critical I am of Jews, so this is not a chauvinist statement at all, but the Jews collectively represent something better than Iran represents, than Hamas represents, than Hezbollah represents, than Islamic Jihad represents, than ISIS represents. If we Jews were hated by nice people, It would have a very destructive effect on my faith that the scum of the earth hate me personally. That's in my own personal life, having nothing to do with being Jewish, right? Uh, says to me I must be right. These are really scummy people, uh, liars as a general rule, who hate my guts on the internet. They just lie. They simply lie about me. Uh, so As I have actually said, and I will say this now, if the left produced kind, decent, and happy people, it would challenge everything I stand for. Yes, I judge everything by its fruit. So the fact that the worst people on earth literally hate Jews— Nazis in the '30s and '40s, Nazi Muslims in our time, well, there must be something about us that represents the good God on Earth. Because the Allah of Allahu Akbar, when I'm slaughtering a baby and I shout Allahu Akbar, that Allah is the opposite of my God, is the opposite of my Jehovah. Literally the opposite. I'm not saying Allah is the devil. I'm saying their Allah, the barbarians' Allah, is closer to the devil.

Okay. I want to tell you, that is an amazing point. And as I move on from it, I want to pause and let it sink in for the audience, because I think that's absolutely right. When did Islam become so radical? I have a hypothesis given the reading that I've done. I am no expert.

What's your hypothesis?

My hypothesis is really in the 20th century. And because Islam lost a lot of power, I was, and this is again, only because of my reading and that Bernard Lewis book I stole from your library, which by the way, I have to give back to you. I haven't forgotten. Or maybe I'm hoarding it.

Every day I wake up and I say to my wife, when is Julie bringing back the book?

I know. And there's clearly a missing spot on that wall for, those who don't watch the fireside chat, cluttered with books, which is great. I love that. Anyway, Islam was doing extraordinarily well in the world. I mean, as far as its, its power, money, influence. I mean, it was founded in the either 7th or 8th century, started starting in Saudi Arabia. Then it moved basically all across Europe, all across the North Africa. Yes, North Africa, the Middle East, conquered parts of Christian Europe and Asia. And for until about the 1400s, 1500s, Islam ruled that space. And when people talk about the Crusades, that's a typical thing on the left when people go, oh, well, how can you criticize Islam for religious violence, but you don't criticize Christians? And of course, there has been Christian religious violence, but they bring up the Crusades. And I want to say to them, do Do you know what the Crusades were? The Crusades were Christians trying to reconquer the territory that Muslims stole from them.

[Speaker:DENNIS PRAGER] Yes, so one of the, it's fascinating, I just have to say this, then please don't forget what you wanted to say. One of the things that I have been routinely attacked by the left, not by even Muslims, by left, is that I have said exactly that. The Crusades were about regaining conquered land. And then they say, well, what about the Jews who were massacred on the way to the Holy Land by Crusaders? I wrote a book which has a whole chapter on that, right? It was pure, undiluted evil. But that wasn't what the Crusades were about.

Yes, exactly.

These were about scummy Christians who killed Jews because they, they were— they called them Christ killers, right? Like, like those Jews had anything to do with the death of Jesus. You know, why would it have been 600 years later?

Right.

No, no, 1,000 years later.

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That's correct.

They were trying to reconquer the lost land. So anyway, back to my point. Islam for centuries. I mean, Islam is, is it the biggest religion in the world? Maybe second to Christianity, but it is second to Christianity. It's, I think in the next, but it may well be that two decades it's going to eclipse because Because the average Muslim family is having, you know, 3, 4, 5 kids.

Right, many people are leaving Christianity.

Exactly. So there are a quarter of the world right now is Muslim. And that was the case for, you know, Islam was growing and growing and growing. And then the 20th century, look what happened in the past 100 years. In 1919, the Ottoman Empire collapses, the great Muslim Ottoman Empire gone. The state of Israel is founded in 1948, Nakba, the catastrophe. I mean, there were these massacres and skirmishes between Muslim groups. The Bengalis and the Pakistanis went after each other. After the Ottoman Empire collapsed, obviously a lot of Europeans went in and kind of carved up the Middle East. And that was hugely humiliating for for many Muslims. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was also humiliating. The American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were also humiliating. Of course, neither the Soviets nor the Americans especially prevailed in those, but still, from their perspective, it's a European Western power coming in and carving up, retaking over land or territory that they once had control over. And I think that's when we really started to see the ascent of radical Islamic terror. And it's no coincidence that, you know, Al Qaeda was founded in the '80s during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. ISIS was founded in 2004 when the United States invaded Iraq. So I think it coincides with a perceived loss of power and influence. I mean, radical Islam didn't really exist before the 20th century.

You have a somewhat more positive view of Islamic history than I do. The—

and by the way, I'm not saying Islam was perfectly practiced or perfectly—

No, no, no, there's no such thing as perfect. That's— I know you're not.

But the ascent of this level of radicalism has really been in the past century.

There is an unspoken gigantic killing, tens of millions, that it's unspoken, and I don't even know why it's unspoken, and that is what the Muslims did to Hindus. In the history of mass murder, It is up there with any other in the history of the world. And that was while Islam was at its glorious, most powerful self. The reason that no one talks about it and no one is virtually an accurate— Muslims aren't going to talk about it for obvious reasons. Westerners don't talk about it because they don't want to be called Islamophobic. And Hindus don't talk about it because India is afraid that if it's talked about too much, it will cause civil strife between Hindus and Muslims in India. So everyone has a reason to keep quiet about it. As I've often quoted, and I do in the book that touched your life, Still the Best Hope, which is about Islamism and leftism and Americanism. I note that the greatest Arab writer who ever lived, Ibn Khaldun, in the, I think, 15th century, who wrote a book called the Muqaddimah, which is the Introduction to History in English. A.J.P. Taylor, the great British historian, said it was the greatest work of history ever written. Anyway, it is highly regarded, and Ibn Khaldun writes Unlike Jews and Christians, we are a better, superior religion because we will kill to make converts and they won't. I mean, Christians did, but they were not— that was against Christianity. But if Muslims do, it's not against Islam, right? Dar al-Kharb and Dar al-Islam. Are you familiar with that? The House of Islam and the House of the Sword. Or the house of war. That's the division of the world theologically. So it's— there are wonderful individual Muslims, but that does not negate a more sober judgment of the record of Islam historically, in my opinion.

No, you're— I hear you. And also, you know, Certainly the more radical terrorist elements proliferated, I think, in the 20th century. But the treatment of women, and I know people would say, oh, well, Christian societies didn't exactly treat women beautifully for much of history. But I'm sorry, but compared to—

Well, it's only comparison that counts.

Right. Compared to Islam, I mean, with the veiling of women, veiling women is incredibly misogynistic. And That did predate the 20th century because the proof is that when Mustafa Kemal Atatürk became the first president of the Republic of Turkey in 1923, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, one of his first action items was to veil the hijab, was to ban the hijab because he thought, and the fez, as you often point out, which was the Ottoman hat, because he viewed those things as antiquated oppressive symbols of Islam. And he was the great great to some but not great to others, great modernizer, westernizer of Turkey. So yes, there were these currents that were there. And another thing that is unpopular to acknowledge, though we have to acknowledge it, is that there are many things in the Quran which sanction very bad behavior. And look, there are some— you know better than anyone— there are some shady parts of the Torah.

Right, but they don't sanction bad behavior, they— there is two— there are two different bad behavior issues in, in biblical, whether it's Muslim Bible, the Quran, or the New Testament or Old Testament. It is one-off events or prescriptive events.

I see.

That's a huge difference.

I That like Sodom and Gomorrah, destroying Sodom.

Well, God. Okay, so it says that God killed the firstborn of Egypt. Okay. There is no prescription in there. We are never to kill the firstborn of any society.

Why did God do that?

That's okay. That's a separate issue. God knows what he's doing or doesn't know what he's doing, or they made it up and it doesn't matter at all because they made it up. But that's not prescriptive. The Jew is not told when you go to war or anyone you don't like, kill their firstborn.

Right.

There's no hint of that. So the issue in, in the Quran or any biblical source, is it prescriptive or descriptive?

No, it's a very good point. I actually ordered an annotated Quran to read, and, and there are part— I mean, there's chapter 4, verse 34, which, um, sanctions the beating of a wife. There's, there's, uh, lines in the Quran that—

see, that's, that's prescriptive.

Right, right. Um, there, there are also lines in the Quran that a woman's testimony is worth half that of a man's, and we see, we see that reflected.

Right. By the way, just for the record, in, in, I, I believe in Jewish tradition, women did not testify in court either. Men were witnesses. It's important to acknowledge. Yes, but that, that, by the way, that's— I don't believe that that's biblical, but it is Jewish law. I don't— that's, that's not the same thing. As the prescription of you will beat her. See, every society favored men in some ways.

Right.

But, you know, hiding women's faces, for example, which is, by the way, not, not Quranic. That's the— that's the irony, right? It is Islam, but it's not Quranic. So we have to be obviously honest in whatever critique we offer. But anyway, Putting that aside—

Wait, can I just say one more thing?

Yeah.

Just to acknowledge there are also hadiths, which are sayings attributed to the prophet that were post-Quranic, post-Quran for literally centuries. And that's where we see a lot of the jihad. There's a hadith that anyone, you know, a fighter in a holy war who dies basically like a greater martyr, dies a better death than someone who has never fought in a holy war. You know, there's, there's lines like that. So I just want to acknowledge all these kind of currents that we're discussing. But please go on.

So I just want to return and then we can move on. I want to return to the issue of not only did the Hamas atrocities not surprise me, but they reinforce my, my religious understanding of Judaism the Jewish people, the Torah, etc. That's— that is not something most people will hear. Even most Jews don't hear that.

May I offer something that's a little different that other people probably won't hear? And we discussed it. I touched on it briefly the last time or the time before that when we were talking about this. You know, obviously we have seen a lot of antisemitism on full display right now in America. You know, when there's a crisis, it holds up mirrors to people around us and to ourselves. What's going on in the Middle East is fomenting things here which are revealing elements of Americans' character which are not so pretty. We see people signing petitions saying Israel is fully responsible, Hamas was acting in self-defense, etc., etc. You know, all the ugliness. People are saying, as they should, that the anti-Israel left needs to take a hard look at itself. I think that there's another group which needs to take a harder look at itself, and that is the pro-Israel left, because in many ways, the pro-Israel left has condoned either directly or indirectly through their silence a lot of these attitudes and worldviews which have metastasized into people condoning Hamas. For instance, you know, people are saying, oh my gosh, how could these college students or how could these people say that Israel is an apartheid genocidal state? Well, you let them call America a systemically racist country. You let them, you let them call America colonizers and that they're Jim Crow 2.0. You make, you allow them to spread all kinds of lies. About this country and you're shocked when they're doing it about another country? You allow, and these are individuals who not only, when I say allow, who donated to Black Lives Matter, who signed petitions about America's racism. They have been enthusiastic, ardent supporters of a lot of kinds of extremism. They supported Black Lives Matter when Black Lives Matter was condoning looting and violence. And now they're shocked when they see people condoning Hamas for looting and violence. It's like, where have you been? And I want to hold these people's feet to the fire. They're getting off too easy right now because everyone's focused on the extreme crazies, as they should. And then the pro-Israel left's like, oh my God, these people are so extreme. You gave fuel to their fire and now you're shocked. Screw that.

There's a—

that's fraudulent.

There's a Hebrew saying, silence is agreement. Hence my silence.

And again, what? Oh, oh, your silence. I was going to— I thought you were saying—

Oh, there's— that's true too. Yes, it was advocacy.

Every time the pro-Israel left capitulated to, supported, or gave a mealy-mouthed excuse for their temper tantrums, Yes, they allowed moral confusion to spread.

Right.

And when moral confusion spreads, they're shocked.

Oh, wow. It's really— they even hate the Jews. That's a shockaroo.

You know, I compiled— I did a show on this on Timeless, and I compiled a list of tweet responses to Black Lives Matter statement, Black Lives Matter grassroots statement that Hamas was acting in self-defense and we must stand unwaveringly on the side of the oppressed. That's what Black Lives Matter wrote. And you see these people commenting, I marched with you, now I can't, I will never do that again. I supported you up until now, I'm out. I can't believe I ever believed you. These people were stupid though.

That's right. Or this is the phenomenon of, gee, I never thought it would happen to me. Ironically, that's what it's about.

Nice circle around.

Yeah, you can crap on innocent Americans all you like, But on innocent Jews, oh, now I realize what assholes you are.

Yep. There is a symmetry in the things that they allowed here, and they're now shocked. People are saying that Israel with apartheid, you know, calling America systemically racist, and then now they're calling Israel an apartheid state, saying if Black people loot and burn down buildings, they're justified because they've been, quote unquote, oppressed, to saying that if Hamas kills innocent civilians, they are justified because they're, quote unquote, oppressed. There is a total symmetry, and I can't stand the people who are now expressing their outrage at the things that they have brought about. Pisses me off. Can you tell?

I love you for it.

I want to write an article about it. Probably going to make a lot of people hate me, but I don't really care. They deserve to be called out, and I don't see anybody else calling them out. Hello? Well, you, you definitely. Besides you, not many.

There are some, but not many. That, that's right. It's like my, one of my classic phone calls in 40 years of radio. Did I ever tell you about the woman who called me whose brother had been murdered?

Um, maybe, maybe.

All right, well, anyway, a woman called me up said, Dennis, I have been listening to you for years. I've completely disagreed with you about capital punishment.

Oh yes.

But now my brother has been murdered and I realize you're right. I agree with you. And of course I offered condolences. It's a horrible thing when someone you love is murdered. It's— I can only imagine, literally only imagine. But then I didn't leave it at that. I said, I'm sorry, but when everybody else's brother got murdered, you were against capital punishment. But now your brother got murdered, is murdered, and you are for capital punishment. And she didn't take it offensively. She realized you're right.

Well, you wrote in your book on this point of capital punishment, one of the best one-liners one-line messages of support. What is the word I'm looking for? Endorsements of the death penalty. You said, so the victim gets the death penalty, but the killer doesn't. That was— I was like, that's it right there.

That is right there.

That is it right there.

Yes.

So the Harvard people, Okay. Speaking of this, so did you see Candace Owens and Megyn Kelly?

I heard about it.

So there was this feud where it started with Vivek Ramaswamy tweeting that he doesn't think that these students should be on some kind of blacklist. And we're seeing that a lot of Harvard students— there's a website right now, I think it's called canarymission.org, and they've published the names and faces of the students who they have reason to believe signed that petition holding Israel entirely responsible for the October 7th pogrom. It's worth noting that, that 34 student organizations signed that petition. So those were organizations, though there weren't individual people, which, by the way, as an aside, I always find it to be so stupid when an organization releases a statement. It's like there's no way that everyone in that organization agrees with what this statement is saying. If there's going to be a petition that goes around, put your name to it as an individual representing yourself. I hate this groupthink because, in fairness to many of these Harvard students who are being kind of, you know, put through the wringer right now. I do believe that some of them, although being members of these groups, did not know that these— or, or support their organization in, in signing that letter.

Yeah, I don't think that's true about any of the Muslim organizations. I think all their members want Israel dead.

Oh yes, but they're all right. But there— but there's— I, I actually know this because there's, there's from my going to Harvard that there's a— one organization is a dance group. It's a South Asian dance group.

Yeah, the South—

so many of the—

that's why I said Muslims. South Asians are not Muslims.

That's fair. That's fair. Anyway, there was a truck in Harvard Yard. Did you see that? Or in Harvard Square recently that was done by Accuracy Media. And it's this big van which put up the faces and names of the students who they believe signed. So anyway, Vivek tweeted that he doesn't think that they should be on a blacklist. Megyn Kelly wrote back, "If you're willing to hire people who support killing babies, that's good to know." Candace wrote to Megyn saying, "This is incredibly disingenuous. Many of these students are not supporting babies being killed. They have been brainwashed and they think they're doing the right thing." because they've been spoon-fed these lies. And instead of blacklisting them, we need to educate them. And Candace said, I was a college student once. I was radically pro-choice. I had a lot of ideas that I have since evolved from, and I'm glad that I wasn't blacklisted. I was educated, and now I am where I am.

So Candace wrote that.

Candace wrote that. And then Megan wrote back, and it was this kind of— it was this nasty, nasty feud where they kind of got into it personally. But Meghan wrote back and just again said to Candace, these, you know, these people are supporting terrorism and they need to be called out. What is Dennis Prager's take?

Well, so there are so many separate issues. Let me begin with just one and I'll deal with all that I could identify. If we are going to oppose the cancel culture, We have to oppose cancel culture. If, uh, in other words, but, but there's a caveat there, and I'm going to come to that. So for example, if I'm for free speech, I'm for free speech. If, if you want to take out an ad, I hate Jews, I as a Jew would fight for your right to take out an ad in the New York Times, I hate Jews. And I think you should hate Jews too. Now, if you advocate the death of Jews, that's a different story because you can't advocate violence, right? That's yelling fire in a crowded theater. But if I am for free speech, I am for free speech for those I loathe. I mean, otherwise it's useless, right? So likewise, on cancel culture, if you say something and that means you're fired automatically, I am generally opposed to it because it's— the fact that it is applied only in one direction, namely if you're conservative you get fired. There's nothing too left. This is the first time in our lifetime anyway that a left-wing cause is reason for your being canceled. It's the first time it is. You could, you could say, I think it's a wonderful thing that 16-year-old, 18-year-old girls who say they're boys have their breasts cut off, their healthy breasts, and nobody on the left will cancel you.

Right.

But if you say, I think Hamas is a great group doing great things, that is a bridge too far. That so Would I hire somebody who said, I'm for the annihilation of the Jews of Israel, which is what Hamas is on paper. That's its constitution.

I know it doesn't hide it.

That's their— they all chant from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. The river to the sea is Israel. The Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea is— or ocean— that is Israel.

And they don't just mean land will be retaken over. They mean these people will be dead.

Well, and the land taken over. I mean, still the only annihilation of a country in the world. It would be like saying from the Pacific to the Atlantic, America will be free. In other words, we're erasing America. Okay, let me— let's, let's be honest. So having said that though, it, it, we— it remains cancel culture. I have, I have some degree of respect for the view that, that If we're against cancel culture against the right, we have to be against cancel culture on the left. But I have to be intellectually honest, whereas I wouldn't announce— that's the difference— I wouldn't announce I'm not hiring you. I would quietly not hire somebody, but there would be a lot of views that I wouldn't hire somebody for. That wouldn't be the only— if it— I wouldn't hire you if you said that boys should have their testicles cut off if they say they're girls. Right. You're a sick dude. I don't hire sick dudes. But would I announce it? I don't know. So the— I don't necessarily condemn those who say don't engage in the cancel culture. The argument that, well, they're young and they don't know what they're saying. Well, they're not high school kids.

They're adults.

Yes. So that I don't buy that one. And I didn't hear the debate between them. But it— look, the average age of the Einsatzgruppen, the group that went— the groups that went and slaughtered Jews before the gas chambers was in their 20s.

Right.

I mean, a massive amount of evil happens from young people. And I don't say, oh, it's 'cause they're young. I don't have that tolerance. I don't have that excuse. Who is going into all of these stores with this, what is it, how many billions of dollars a year is now stolen from stores? Yeah, they're young, but I wouldn't say, oh, it's a stupid thing that young people do. Did you loot when you were a kid? Did I loot? They're bad kids. That's just a fact, because you are what you do. If you can't call people who, uh, who rob stores on, you know, loot like crazy, uh, or carjack, or, or, or, or punch, uh, the store owner bad, then who is bad?

Right.

There are no bad people then.

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So anyway, the, the, the question applies to the cancellation, and I have some sympathy for the idea that we don't have cancel culture Let me put it to you this way. If the left said to us, I'll tell you what, let's make a deal. We won't cancel anybody because they have a right-wing position if you don't cancel anybody because they don't have a left-wing position, because they have a left-wing position. I would make that deal. So would you?

Yeah, I would. I would. However, the thing about And we can get into more of my thoughts on this, but cancel culture really has largely been punishing people for having not bad opinions.

That's right.

I'm sorry. That's why she said that very eloquently.

But no, no, you're right. That's why I said that. Yes.

A guy called a woman beautiful in the office and he's fired.

Correct.

A woman tweeted hashtag White Lives Matter and she She got kicked out of her book club.

Right, it's a far cry from, you're okay if you slaughter Jews.

Exactly.

I agree.

And so that's where I think, and I even, when I told the story of about a month ago, I was at a bar and I met this conservative guy and he was saying Putin's a great guy and Alexei Navalny deserves to be tortured 'cause he's a lib, just a blankety blank. See, Sean, I didn't say a curse word because I didn't want you to have to edit and bleep it. I was very kind to Sean just now. I saved him one minute.

A kind to Sean minute on the Dennis and Julie podcast. Look at the smile on his face. He's so not used to being treated with kindness. It's sad. It's actually sad.

Anyway, when I was with that guy, you know, when I was really coming at him— not— I wasn't getting loud or vicious. I was arguing based on merits of my position, which I believe are many. But I felt when I was talking about it afterwards with people, I wanted to say that his viewpoints were offensive, but I was so— I had like a Pavlovian allergy to that word offensive because it has been so misused. And again, you know, a man calling a woman beautiful is offensive to some now. So, but then I thought about it and I said, well, wait a minute, just because the left has so exploited the word offensive. That doesn't mean that there aren't some things which are truly offensive.

Well, they've done worse than exploited. They've raped all of these terms. Genocide.

Right.

Apartheid. Israel is an apartheid state. Right. Really? Everyone watching us now or listening to us now should watch the PragerU video by a Black member of the South African Parliament Dennis Prager, who went to check if Israel is an apartheid state. He lived through apartheid, so he actually knows what it is. None of the people who know what it is call Israel an apartheid state. Yes, it— they have raped language like sexual assault.

Right.

Guy puts his arm around a woman, kisses the girl at the soccer— oh, the soccer thing was a perfect example. She lifted him up in the jubilation of the Spanish team's win in the World Cup. And a peck on the lips, not open mouth, not erotic, nothing. And the guy is under investigation for sexual assault. Yes, for sexual assault.

Yes. So, so, but the point is that just because some words have been so, so misused and twisted and abused by the left, that doesn't mean that some words don't exist. And that doesn't mean that some people don't deserve to be They do deserve to, you know.

Oh, they do deserve to be. My only contention is that I so want to remain on the side of non-cancellation.

I agree with you.

And that's all. But you're right. They went so beyond. It's not because of their opinion. Now, would I— I am pro-life. Would I hire a pro-choice person?

Well, you did. I'm now different, but I was pro-choice.

Okay. Well, all right. So there you go. Yes, that's correct. There are vast numbers of positions. But if you think it's okay to kill Jewish families, you are beyond the pale of human decency. I can't have despicable people work for me.

I have to tell you, I'm really torn about this issue because half of me says, and I, like you, am radically pro-free speech. I believe you should be able to say whatever you want because the second we start policing it, it's over. So I am radically— they have a right to sign that petition. They have a right to write it. They have a right to post it. They have a right to put in whatever they want to do. I think individuals' names should be signed as opposed to groups. And if there should be a rule, if you're going to sign a petition, you got to put your specific name on it. You have to stand behind your opinions, not hide behind an organization. So, but, but on the one hand, I'm very pro-free speech. I don't think that these students should be, you know, dug up, have their faces put on the internet. There's a part of me like you that just doesn't want to get into that cancel culture stuff. But another part of me agrees with Carol Markowitz, who is a commentator who is on the radio.

She's wonderful.

She's great. She said, I think it was in the last few days, she said, you know, I have been fighting the fight for free speech on college campuses for years, and I lost that fight. And now it is time for these students to reap what they have sown. They have been the ones that have been militantly anti-free speech and radical in their viewpoints. And now that they are the ones being canceled, they want to go, oh, but it's free speech. You don't get to have it both ways. That's not fair. If you have been advocating all along for there to be suspensions on hate— and by the way, we don't know the individual view. There could be some of these students who are radically pro-free speech as we are. I'm making an assumption that many of them aren't. And you just can't have it both ways. You can't— when you want to have free speech, have it, and when you don't want to have it, punish everyone else. So, so there's a— I'm sort of happy this is happening because these students maybe will think twice next time before saying stupid stuff.

Well, wanting to punish others, they had every reason to assume that it is— there is no left-wing position that is too far.

Yes. And that's why I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but that's why I'm pissed off at the pro-Israel American left. I know I'm painting with a broad brush. Not everyone.

I'm with you totally. They have been the ones who gave that message.

Given that message.

That's right.

And then now they're shocked. There needs to be, to use a 2020 term, a reckoning.

You said to me earlier before the show, the show. That's funny. Before the podcast, it's a show.

What's wrong with saying—

No, no, I know what I think of radio, a show. I mean, it's not a bad word. I'd say the Dennis Prager Show all the time. But anyway, you said to me that you knew some of them.

Yeah.

What does that mean? Not well, right? But you know, you know who they are. Are you surprised?

Um, no. I will say that one of them, one of the students on there, is a— I know him to be a really nice guy.

And what group was he with?

I don't know. Um, and I didn't find on his profile anything that he specifically said. I think he was just a member of, of one of those groups.

I wish I knew which group.

And it's— I, I mean, I could pull it up.

Well, the Nepali, what the hell they were on there for.

He— that, that— it made me sad because that— I have to say, this one guy, I knew him to be just a really, really nice person.

So I would hope that he would say to himself, why did I join such a radical group? I mean, my— look, if he is a nice guy and disavows those views, then I feel for him, right? But he has to ask himself.

Absolutely.

You know, you see, funny, I said on my show, one of the most important Avenues to a better world is that people pay a price for what they do, right? We, we have— the left has abolished price. The latest is California. Unruly, disruptive students— that's the term— disruptive students are not to be suspended or thrown out of class. Did you know that?

No. Yes, I'm not surprised.

It's Newsom. Newsom, the, the, the obliterator of good society signed this.

See, again, I know there's no price. This is what the pro-Israel left has supported. They've said they have given credence to this. They have supported the people being disruptive. And then now they're—

and then they're shocked.

And then they're shocked. You have given the mouse a cookie so many times.

A cake.

You've given the mouse the whole bakery.

Yes.

The cheesecake of the week. They have given them. I'm entering the realm of the absurd. It's my protective device.

I know it is. I love it. I think it's great. You know, I, I'll say this. I know we're probably nearing the end, but I do—

only the end of the podcast. Oh gosh, though it sounded funny. I know, I know we're nearing the end.

I know. Well, in these times, it's, it's an honor.

Okay.

Ominous statement. You know, I said a few minutes ago there needs to be a reckoning, to use a 2020 term that we heard. But it's true. And I think that, you know, I said that the presence of a crisis has the effect of holding up mirrors to people. And you see this on a micro scale when someone dies, when something, when a life event happens, you learn a lot from the reactions of the people around you, both good and bad. Same thing with a world event. And I don't want to make predictions. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I think this may be a turning point for the better in the United States. I think that there are some people, again, my favorite group to talk about right now, the pro-Israel American left. I think there are some members of that group who are kind of seeing what many of us on the right have been talking about? The, you know, they previously—

You're more sanguine than me.

Yeah, perhaps.

I'm right. No, no, no, you may be right. I pray you're right, by the way.

I know.

Well, I know them well. That's my world that I grew up in. A lot of them are Jewish and they're thinking, wait a minute, these people that have been my allies are okay with wiping out Jews? So you would think that it really isn't deeper than 2 and 2. Maybe the left is evil. Maybe they're not just evil on wiping out Jews. Maybe they're just evil. That's what you're saying, that you hope that there are people on the left, indeed liberals even, right, not just leftists, who will say, whoa, I've been really, really naive about the left. Yeah, the left is evil. Not just on the wiping out of Israel. Yes, they won't. Yeah, that's my prediction. They are so brainwashed into believing the right is their enemy that they cannot face the fact that the left is their enemy.

I mean, even the other day, these people came into the Capitol who— they breached the Capitol. They held a political demonstration inside of the Capitol and Nothing happened. Nothing happened. No one talked about it.

Right.

And it's like, and by the way, we on the right are culpable for this too.

If Christians did it, it would be, oh, oh, it's the Christian nationalists, the white Christian nationalists. It's Jimi Hendrix 2.0. Are making a theocracy. But if Muslims do it, pass the salt, please.

Yes. And you know what really makes me upset is that John Strand, Dennis Prager is one of the January Sixers who is serving in prison for 2 years plus a 2-year— over 2-year sentence for walking into the Capitol with a bullhorn to give an anti-vaccination speech. Should he have gone into the Capitol? No. Was it stupid? Absolutely. But he is getting 2 years for walking into the rotunda with a bullhorn. These people walked into the rotunda with bullhorns. Are they going to get 2 years? Are they going to get the hate and the vitriol and the smear that John Strand got and continues to get? Are they going to have their lives ruined as a result of that? No, of course not, because we have a two-tiered system of justice. We have a two-tiered system of standards. If you are on the left, you can say whatever heinous crap you want. You can breach the Capitol. You can burn down buildings. You can commit whatever crime. You can be unruly in the You can, you can do whatever the hell you want and you're protected. But if you're on the right, no. If you say, if you kiss a woman because you're happy that she won the soccer game for one second, you're effed.

Do you— talking about kiss a woman because you're happy, you know what immediately came to mind? The most iconic photo of the celebration of victory over the Nazis and over Japan The, uh, you know the one where the guy grabs a, uh, the Life magazine photo? Oh, you don't know it? Oh, I, I'm dying for you to see this. Wasn't— was he a— was he in a naval, uh, uniform? Sean, pull up the— pull up the photo. This— so it was in— it was in Times Square, I believe, in Manhattan. The The country is going crazy. The war is over. We had lost so many men and a guy just grabs a woman and kisses her. It was most of my lifetime. It was considered one of the most glorious photos in modern American history. That man today would be, would be under arrest, would have been fired by his company.

Oh, the man didn't know the woman, right?

Oh, just, just grabbed the woman in Times Square and kissed her. And let us say she didn't want the kiss. Okay.

By the way, I mean, I'm sorry for TMI. I've been kissed by guys I don't want them to want a kiss from.

Well, so you and I—

okay.

Oh, you will love this.

I'm doing fine.

Yeah. Okay. That's why you're, you're Julie and, and not, uh, not on the left and not a feminist as such. So I announced, I wrote I wrote actually in a piece about the subject a few years ago. My, my special wife, whom you properly adore, and, uh, she, when she was about 20—

oh yes, you've told us—

yes, so her, the, she was a waitress at a very famous chain of restaurants in, uh, in Los Angeles, and the, uh The manager, Hispanic guy, I'm only mentioning that so you'll get a picture of what happened. It's irrelevant in the sense what guy, but it shows that it made no impact on my wife whether what the ethnicity was. So he grabbed her by her breasts. So she took his hands away, told him to stop, and went on with cook— with bringing her meals to the She was not— she— what I wrote, she was not traumatized. She took his hands off her breasts. You have to truly read the comments on the article.

Oh my gosh.

The leftists who write something to the effect, you know, how pathetic it is that she didn't report him and that all she did was make it possible for this guy to do it to another woman. I mean, it was as if my wife had committed a terrible act by not being traumatized and not bringing the guy to the police. You like the—

and it doesn't sound like that it was violent.

No, it wasn't exactly. No, no, he was— there it is. Here's the picture. It's the— I was right. Naval. Yeah, a naval thing. Right. So she's a nurse, I think, and he's a naval officer. Not officer. Member, seaman, sailor. Yeah, so this is, uh, this is, this is it. See everybody around? No, nobody. See the grandmother behind? She doesn't seem to be traumatized. Yes, everybody thinks it's adorable. This is not— oh, next is rape.

We live in a really sick world.

We do. And it is, it is because the left is another factor of the left to one to understand them is a life project. They're children. They can't handle the fact that life isn't ideal. So that is a violation of some code. It's so ironic that they, they laugh at the Ten Commandments, but they have a thousand commandments.

Oh, they're religious. They have, they have their hierarchy, they have their, their dogmas, they have their rituals, they have their approved language, they have their They're interpreters. They have— I mean, they, they're, they're proselytizing. They're, they're religious fanatics.

Completely. Well, let's, uh, let's just summarize. I realize we, we ought to— we ought to issue like a Cliff's Notes. Do you know that too?

I think Sean does that. I think Sean does it in the science.

He does? Yeah, he lifts the major points of the, of the podcast. You do? What do I think? You really want me to answer that question? He asked me, what do you think I'm doing over here? He doesn't want me to answer the question. I don't blame him. I think you're playing hearts on the computer, frankly.

Hearts?

You don't know hearts?

No.

The only great card game.

I don't—

Anyway, this was really good stuff. And the notion I really said things that, that are important, not because I said them, they're just important about how surprise is so much part of people's pain and that nothing Hamas did, nothing surprised me. This, this is what Jew haters do. They've done it for thousands of years. They will do it more years. That's it. But The— so nothing surprised me, including all the college kids who are pro, pro-Hamas. Yes. That, that this, this is why you're angry at the pro-Israel left for good reason. But I truly believe that they will not say, oh, well, it really shows the true nature of the left.

I don't believe most of them will do that. And I wasn't trying to say that earlier. What I was trying to say is I think they might— there there might be a little voice in their head which—

Yeah, that may be—

Makes them think twice.

We'll see. The reason for the lying about the hospital in Gaza, there's no doubt in my mind it had nothing to do with Israel. The reason is that the way they can say, you see, it's morally equivalent. They attack children, we attack children.

Exactly. And by the way, do you know what our president said after that hospital bombing, he said, I'm not saying that— he was saying that Israel didn't do it. He was saying that the Palestinians did it. He said, I'm not saying that they meant to do it. They need to learn to shoot straight.

Oh, so he did blame it on Israel?

No, no, no. He was blaming it on Palestinians.

Oh, the they was not Israel?

He was saying they, the Palestinians, need to learn to shoot straight.

Oh, I see.

Like a rocket into Israel.

Oh, oh yeah, okay, you see, okay, I, I think that's kind of— no, no, you're right. No, no, no, no, no, look, in the scope of all that's going on— yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm not minimizing it. I didn't hear that comment.

They need to learn—

look, look, he said some good things and I'm happy about it, but he's also a major reason that Iran is so strong. So with an Iran direct—

yeah, how have you— how— what if you thought— because I agree he gave a really good great speech. But part of me is like, are you really being genuine? Are you doing this because—

I don't care.

Right. That's right.

Yeah.

You're always consistent.

I'm very—

You're always consistent.

That's right. I don't care if he did it for political reasons. I only care that's what he said.

And do— are you happy with what he's been doing?

Yeah. Well, he went to Israel. He hugged Benjamin Netanyahu, which drove the left here crazy, including left-wing Jews. It's amazing. Jews who say they're pro-Israel but they hate Netanyahu. I find that a little bizarre. As an American Jew who supported Israel, my view is it's none of my damn business who Israelis elect as their prime minister.

Right.

It's none of my damn business. If I want to vote for a different prime minister, I just get on an El Al plane. 10 hours later, if I'm in L.A., 6 hours later, if I'm in Israel, if I'm in New York, whatever it is, 15 hours later if I'm in LA, 10 hours New York, and I may— and in 10 hours I'm an Israeli citizen. Then you can say anything you want about the Israeli elections. Shut your mouth while you're here. You don't, you don't send your kids to die on the front. The rockets aren't hitting your house. So shut the hell up. It's a functioning democracy. And Netanyahu was elected democratically. You don't like him? Make Aliyah and do all the protesting you want. But shut up if you're a Jew in New York. It's not your business to tell Israelis who to elect. The arrogance of American Jewish liberals is beyond belief. Pure arrogance. I will tell you upon whom rockets fall whom to vote for, and if you don't vote for the guy I want, I will be anti-Israel for the duration of that guy's prime ministership. My fellow American Jews, not right now an impressive group of people. I'm sorry to say it is painful, but okay. Hey, listen, as I say to every religious group, I don't care what religion you're a member of as long as you're embarrassed by it. Every Catholic I know is embarrassed by their pope.

Mic drop. Do you know what mic drop is?

No.

It's like when someone says something really good and you just drop the mic. That's it.

Uh-huh.

We both got riled up today, didn't we?

Yeah, because we're passionate about the big stuff.

Yep. Sean, what'd you say? Oh, wrap it up.

Okay, wait, who is he to tell us when it's time to wrap it up?

Well, we have other filming to do.

Talk about arrogance. I can't believe it.

I want people to know why we wrap up. We have other filming to do.

We could go on for Yeah, no, but we don't want to overstay our welcome.

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