Dennis & Julie: We Are Not a Democracy
3 Jul 2023 · 75 min
Dennis Prager and Julie Hartman discuss why America is a republic, not a democracy, and explore how public perceptions of conservatives don't match reality. They touch on the Electoral College, corporate wokeness, and Prager's argument that Judeo-Christian morality is essential for civilization.
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Hey everybody, Dennis Prager here with Julie Hartman.
Hey, don't joke about it.
This could happen to you. You're right. I really— I take that back. Can we start again? And of course the answer is no. Hello everybody, Dennis and Julie. And the reason for my silence is an internal debate.
Say it.
Okay.
It's so fun.
Do I tell people how much we love this?
I just told Dennis before the show, it's the highlight of my week and it's the highlight of my life. As I know it's corny. Corn alert. I was thinking I should have like a fake block of cheese or a fake—
I love it—
husk of corn on my set. And every time I whip it out. But it's true.
I look forward. I love it. We haven't missed, which given—
No, it's crazy. Given your schedule, it's crazy because he's always traveling.
We're both proud of that fact because We really, we do love it. We, we believe that people love it too, because how could— I don't know how someone wouldn't. This is not an issue of bragging, has nothing to do with that. I, I don't, I don't find a need to brag. The— but we talk about really, really important stuff, really, really interesting stuff, and and keep it interesting. I am— why would not one want that? I don't think there's anything like this.
I agree. I mean, the age difference, the gender difference, the— I mean, all of it. The Jew and Gentile difference, though. I'm such a reader of your Torah commentary.
By the way, do you know— there we go, tangent number 1. We should count it.
Wait, I'm so sorry. Before— yeah, because it's as a woman. Yeah, the spoon. Dennis Prager's spoon.
She's so right. I can't tell you. I see, here's a great male-female difference. Yes, the, the exponentially greater amount it bothered Julie than me.
Well, I thought everyone was going to notice it.
Of course you did. That was like, oh God, Alison Armstrong, that brilliant woman that I've been doing the male-female hour with one 4 times a year. She, she once said something to the effect, when I walk into my bedroom, my, my pillow is screaming at me, I'm not ordered right, or I'm not set right.
Yes.
And I realized with all the sexual and physical differences The biggest difference is the brain between men and women. No pillow has ever talked to me. It just, just works like that.
Well, I'm thrilled for you. I think that's a better life.
That's— it is a better life. That spoon talked to you?
Of course. Well, I thought everyone's going to look at it and think it's the most absurd thing in the world. There's a spoon on the D&J set.
Of course. Needless to say. So, so I had a tangent.
Yes.
Can I go to it?
Yes.
So you said Jew and Gentile. So it has always cracked me up as a Jew that in effect, at least in that regard, one is dividing the world's population between Jew and Gentile. That is hilarious. Jews make up a fraction of 1% of the world. That's like saying, you know, 0.2, 2/10 of 1% of the world is X, but everybody else has an identity as not a member of the X. I find that funny.
You know, I was— I hate to say that I was looking at a poll without citing what poll it was. I can't remember which one it was, but it asked a random group of people, how many Jews do you think there are in the world?
That's right.
And there were 4 answers. It was like, you know, between 0 and 20 million, 20 and 50, you know, and then one of them was absurd, like 500 million. And the greatest answer I think was the third to last one, so around 300 million.
Yeah, that's right. Well, I tell a great—
It's crazy, there are 13 million there.
You will love this. So this is rare, but here's a story of mine you never heard, I'm almost sure. Ever tell you about the story of when I flew my first time to Kentucky?
No.
Okay, so I was about your age. I was going to give a lecture in Kentucky, and it's very— it's still exciting to me, frankly. Anywhere I go, I still love it. I haven't lost that youthful excitement. But anyway, I was very excited. First time to Kentucky. I was going to give a lecture in Louisville. Woman sitting next to me says, oh, and we started a conversation, and What brings you to Louisville or Kentucky? I said, oh, I'm going to give a speech. Oh, to whom? The Jewish community in Louisville. And so she started to speak and it was clear to me that she was very interested in Jews. It was not incidental. Theoretically, The conversation should have gone, oh, that's nice, you'll really like Louisville, and good luck with the speech, and then go on with some other subject or nothing. But she was— she kept asking about Jews. Finally, I actually said to her, since it was clear to me she had this— it was clear she had this oversized view of Jewish influence on Earth. I— so I said, I'm gonna ask you a question. There are— and I assume at that time— 250 million Americans. How many Jews do you think there are? So she said something like 50 million, and I said, actually, there are fewer than 6 million. So she thought for a moment, and then she said, well, they must all live in Kentucky.
That's funny.
Is that correct?
That's really funny.
Yes.
What was your response to that?
I cracked up. Kentucky?
Really?
Yes.
Oh my God.
The seed of Jewish influence.
You know, people don't have it. And by the way, I was one of these individuals. I've actually really tried to go out of my way recently to just understand demographics. A, because it's interesting and reveals so much. And B, because in order to be an informed citizen, I ought to understand it. Even just Just, I, I learned recently, I had a map of the United States and I wrote in each state how many people live in that state. Montana has like 750,000 and it's gigantic and it's gigantic. And that, you know, there are some of these states that don't even reach a million. I never knew that.
Oh, you didn't? No. Oh, that's fascinating.
I might have said, you know, 2 million.
If you didn't know that It shows you how few Americans would know. That's of course the left's anger at the Electoral College. Yes. Or at— no, no, not the Electoral College, sorry, their anger at the U.S. Senate.
Well, and the Electoral College, actually.
Yeah, but primarily the Senate because they're saying that Wyoming with under a million people has two senators and California with 40 million people has two senators.
Well, you know what? They wouldn't care if those states states were blue states, would they?
No, they wouldn't. Moreover, that was the point of the founders.
I know, I mean, it's brilliant.
You know, with July 4th coming up, I gotta tell you, this is, this is what I have come— another tangent, but it doesn't matter. This is the way we work. So the older I have gotten, the more I have adored the founders of the country. That there was such a constellation of great minds at one time in one place really can argue— I can't say I know it to be true, but can argue for a divine intervention in founding this country.
I totally think there was divine intervention. How could there not be? The document is so brilliant. And as you beautifully said, the constellation of minds and the disagreement, because I've read a lot of the Federalist Papers, the disagreement that they had and trying to balance, you know, there was the New Jersey plan and the Virginia or Connecticut plan, and they came up with different proposals for how many representatives should be allocated to the states. They really balanced a lot of competing interests and they came up with this utterly brilliant, fair design. How could God's hand not be involved in that?
As I said, I think it argues for it. I, I never speak with certitude about God because I'm not God. He hasn't communicated to me.
Well, how—
yes, so, but, but it does seem that it, it does beg explanation. Such great men, great minds at one time, and what One of the things that united them was their utter and total— or not total, but utter mistrust of the human being. And that you can't make a good society if you think people are basically good. Every rotten idea emanates from that. It's really remarkable. And people who think that think they're so compassionate and sweet. Oh, people, oh, I see the good in everybody. That's fine if you see the good in everybody. Although I don't quite understand that. What is the good that you see, you know, in Stalin or Hitler or Mao? I don't see any good in them. It's an absurdity, but it doesn't matter. That's a separate point. You have to understand, they did. That's why Montana has the same number of senators as California, because they understood they don't want people to be able to rule over other people. Let the small states compete with the big states in the US Senate. It's not— look, it's not a democracy. They didn't found a democracy. They founded a republic. It's not a monarchy, but it's not a democracy.
I have come recently to be fascinated by the idea that there's a Democratic Party and a Republican Party. Those names are interesting. The Republican Party has republic.
That's right.
In it.
Yes.
The Democratic Party has democracy. And people talk about, oh, Oh, well, oh, we're, we're, Trump is undermining democracy or XYZ is undermining democracy. We're not a democracy.
That's right. Proudly. Proudly.
Yes. So I was recently in New York, as you know, and some members of the audience may know because I posted a lot on social media. There are so many things to talk about during my trip. One of them, we should get to it, is the whole city And when I say the whole city, I mean the whole city was decked out in Pride banners. Rockefeller Center, all of the flags surrounding the perimeter of the ice skating rink, I mean like 50 flags or more, probably more actually, probably more like 100 flags were all Pride. Starbucks had Pride on the front of it. UGGs, oh, I gotta tell you about, they had this despicable, advertisement with all of these drag queens on it in front of Uggs. There was an— I like to see how many different kinds of places had this stuff.
Did you take pictures?
Of course. Oh yeah, I have a lot of pictures. I'll send them to Sean. Art galleries, um, there was an art gallery that had in front of it, uh, the, the hotel next to mine had a pride flag. I mean, every— oh, all these corporations, like you'd walk by JP Morgan, there's a pride flag out in front. It was— oh, it was a liquor store. I know I keep going and going. A liquor store was selling bottles with rainbows on it. And then I got on the plane, JetBlue. I'm sitting at my seat. I also have a video of this. And guess what was on my screen? What? A Pride quiz. 10 questions about Pride. And you could tap, you know, what is the color red in the Pride flag represent? What year was the Pride flag designed?
What it represents. The communist mentality.
Really?
No, no. Well, probably they wouldn't acknowledge—
you have to understand, I was looking at this quiz the whole fight. Apparently it represents passion. Yes. So that's a whole other thing that we can discuss because I've been contemplating— I've been thinking about it a lot, actually. But on this subject of America, I was walking on the west side of New York by the Hudson River. You see, I'm not a New Yorker. I have to kind of think about it. And we were going downtown. I was with one of my best friends, and I looked out and I saw the Statue of Liberty in the distance. I haven't seen the Statue of Liberty since I was really young. My parents took me on a boat.
Sorry, which side were you on?
New Jersey or the west side by the Hudson?
So then you were, uh, you're on the west side of Manhattan?
Yes, west side of Manhattan, walking, walking downtown by the water.
So New Jersey's on your right.
New Jersey's on my right. And I could see it in the distance. Again, I have another picture which I'll send to Sean. I took a picture in front of it and I just stopped and I was overcome with a sense of just surging gratitude. I looked— first of all, it's just a magnificent statue out there in the distance. And I thought about all of the immigrants that would sail in to go to Ellis Island and see that. And I just felt so proud that this was my country. It was really a lovely feeling, and I felt like I adored— I felt the love I had for it. And then that 5 seconds of surging gratitude ended, and I went into this really awful feeling of deep contempt and anger. For those who are trying to destroy this beautiful thing.
That's right.
In my— I have to say, it was one of the most overwhelming feelings I've had in a while. It really— it took me by storm. And so I— later that evening, I was at an event with some people who I went to college with, some of my close friends. It was a big group, so there are some people I sort of knew. And I said to one of them, You know, America has such beautiful monuments. The Statue of Liberty, in addition to all that it represents, is just a stunning piece of work. And you know what this guy's response to me was?
What?
Well, a lot of countries have beautiful monuments. And I just thought, can you for one minute, like, how can you just compliment our country without a caveat?
Anyway, that in addition, was it— and the French gave it to us.
Of course I know the French. You're right. I know you know, but I'm just saying it's not, but it's just, can you, and that, that, that response struck me because I thought people are so afraid to just say one compliment.
One source of praise for America. One compliment to a white, if you compliment Shakespeare, there, there, there was, I was just reading, there was a, a whole book written by an academic and highly reviewed by the left-wing media, which is the mainstream media, that Shakespeare is all about race.
Well, I've been reading by, uh, what do you call them, reviews of Jane Eyre online. Jane Eyre as a protagonist, really, she's like you. Highest compliment I could give you, by the way, because I, I revere Jane Eyre. She divides the world between good and evil. That's how she judges people. That's how she judges events. It's between good and evil. I went online to just see what people were writing. And they referenced like one thing, I think maybe she or another character referred to someone as a Negro, which in the 19th century, that's how you referred to— to—
well, that's, that's the term that Martin Luther King used.
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These are people who are not capable of appreciating profundity. I'm serious. That is the only possible explanation. They didn't read the same book you read. Yes, yes, because they read looking for ways to make points to dismiss it. By the way, if Shakespeare is all about race, Why is he translated into every language on earth? Yes. If Bach and Beethoven and Mozart are white composers, why is Asia the leading manufacturer of young talent in classical music today?
I didn't know that. Wow.
Oh, yeah. I watch these competitions like the Van Cliburn. Have you ever heard of that?
I haven't.
Okay. You're sorry. You probably are sorry.
No, because I know that he's probably so disappointed because he loves this stuff.
Oh God. I'm not disappointed. And you shouldn't be sorry. And I would have been shocked if you did. But anyway, Van Cliburn, which is a totally interesting story about who he was, an American pianist who became very well known even to the public, not just the classical music lovers. Anyway, he has the competition. It's perhaps the leading piano competition in the world. The disproportionate number of Asians, young Asians competing. The idea that Western literature, music, art is generally the best. Generally. There are certain exceptions, and there's great Japanese art which I adore, and, and I appreciate all of that all of that. Nevertheless, to the left, that is a statement of white supremacy. Now, it's so interesting to me. If Shakespeare embodies white supremacy and Bach does as well, they're really making a case, which is absurd, of course, that whites are superior.
You said this on your radio show recently, and I thought it was so brilliant. You are absolutely— you were talking about the Oregon Department of Education saying that finding one right answer in math is white supremacy. That is so bleeping racist.
Exactly.
That is— it's basically saying only white people can do math competently in the right way or compose great symphonies. So it is staggeringly racist.
Yes. Well, like I say it all the time, the only systemic racism of our time is from the left. There was a conference while you were gone, but I did report it on the air. It blew my mind, and it's hard to blow my mind because there's not much left, you would think. The Greens in Europe are like the woke in America, but they don't care about transgender. They don't care about— they care about reshaping the economy of the Western world and the society of the Western world. They had a gigantic conference called Beyond Growth. Have you heard about this?
Well, I listen to your radio show, so I heard it through you. Yes, they want to limit—
Yeah, that's their goal. Yes, they in fact, they want to go to minus growth. And the key was the last speaker, the featured speaker, a young woman from Belgium. Dennis Prager got up and said, I'm going to say what needs to be said, that beneath all of this idea of growth is white supremacy and colonialism. Hmm.
Got it. Okay.
Do you even understand that?
I know, but I'm so used to that. I've just heard it all my life. People will just, they'll point to like that fake tree behind you, the tchotchke on your set and say that it embodies white supremacy. I'm not even kidding. They could find a way to say that. I'm so used to it. It's nonsensical. You know, so Harvard just announced that their new president is a Black woman.
Oh really? I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Who's the president now? A white woman?
No, a white man.
A white man.
The first Jew to be president of Harvard, which shouldn't mean anything to anyone, just as the shirt, the first woman or the first Black woman or the first, as I love to say, Oompa Loompa, it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter if they're good leader, if they're competent. But nevertheless, this guy was the first Jewish president.
Right. But it doesn't matter.
Now there's a Black woman.
None of it matters.
Right. But she's the, she embodies economic growth. I mean, I'm sure she, I mean, she's getting paid a hefty salary by Harvard University. She's reached a certain level of stature in life. So what would that— what'd you say? What would that Danish or Swedish Belgian, the Belgian? Yeah. Well, say to that.
Yeah. Well, Sean says, let's play the clip.
I'm going to say something that is unfortunately controversial to this institution, but it really shouldn't be. If we move beyond growth, we have to acknowledge what lays below our growth: white supremacy, colonialism, and imperialism.
That's it. White supremacy, colonialism, imperialism. And massive ovation. That's what lies behind growth. So, so again, it's an amazing statement. So only whites believe that people should economically grow?
You know, I've been having—
by the way, the whole audience was white.
I know that's the— that's the punchline part.
Yeah.
I've been having this thought recently, and most of the people my age probably don't think this, but those of us who understand how bad the situation is in the United States, I bet, think it. I've been reflecting on what a time I was born into, and I'm just really starting my life. I'm starting my adult life, of course. I'm starting my career. I'm 23 years old. You know, I'm not married yet. I don't have kids yet. And I wonder what my life is going to be like. I don't, I fear that it will not be the life I thought I would have. Because I can't see any of this working out particularly well. And I'm sorry to be doomsday, as you say, getting into the realm of prediction isn't always helpful because you don't know. But I mean, Dennis Prager, this doesn't happen for a very long time, but you're in the latter half of your life. I'm in the beginning half of my life. So I'm going— I just, I wonder what it's going to be like when I'm 40, 50, 60, 70. Will I be protected by this country? Will I still be free in this country? Will I have good opportunities for myself and for my kids? I mean, it's a really scary thought.
Well, you know my question. Who's it worse for? Those of us who saw America when it was free and wonderful, or, or those of you who never saw it and are growing up in it? I have no answer to that. It's a, it's a terrible— it, it's a terrible thing. So, uh, let me tell you my— let me mirror my reaction.
Okay.
So in other words, how I look at it. So since I fully agree with you, fully, so A, I am, I'm staggeringly grateful for having known America in its heyday. It's— if you, if you can't— this is true for everyone— if you can't be grateful for what happened, even if it's over, then that means nothing matters. The past matters. It just— that's what I, that's what I tell people you know, who've lost their spouse, which is, if you loved your spouse, is it's a horrible— it's an overwhelming loss. I mean, my father basically died when my mother died. He was still breathing, but he really died with her. But I really mean it, you have to say while grieving Boy, was I lucky to have all those years I had with him or her. Otherwise, everything is pointless. So it's a very big subject, the importance of memory. So I, knowing America as I, as I, as I knew it, is not of great comfort but is nevertheless of great gratitude to me. Number 2, that's the good part of having lived it. The bad part of being, as you put it, second half of life, very generously, it's true, but it's more than that.
Anyway, Hey, with your energy and—
yeah, you're right, I trust I'll be here for a while. I, I, there's no— nobody knows. But okay, anyway, I, I have great grief over seeing something beautiful destroyed for no reason. Oh well, right, truly. Well of course, for no reason, for bad reasons. I also grieve for my children and grandchildren. Yes, it's— you, you guys won't have what I had. My children, to a certain extent, yeah, they, they remember, especially the older one. But my grandchildren, you know, they're going to really grow up in a world where you can't say that to the waitress or waiter, ma'am, sir, because they didn't tell you their preferred pronoun. Mm-hmm. I'm torn.
Well, it's also, I mean, as bad as that is, it goes beyond that. I worry for myself and my career because I know that until I'm out of this, I'm going to speak the truth. I'm going to talk about the corruption and the malfeasance in our government. And I seriously, for the first time in my life, worry that I may be retaliated against by our government. Look at what's going on with Daniel Penny and Jordan— with the Jordan Neely situation. He's been charged with murder and murder.
Not even— not even manslaughter or second degree or something.
I believe it was.
I believe it was second degree manslaughter, but he'll probably go to He could if he's indicted.
Yeah, I mean, that's scary.
Very scary.
That's really scary.
Well, I had, I had this woman on. She wrote a brilliant piece, Peachy Keenan. So she wrote a brilliant piece, second-degree manslaughter, and she made this very powerful point. What they're doing, and, and it is, it is either deliberate or certainly subconsciously deliberate. It may not be consciously deliberate in every case. They want men to stop protecting people. And the reason is, A, masculine men is a threat to leftism. Every leftist man is somewhat effeminate. And number two, and deliberately so. And number two, they want the government to have all power. If individuals have power, that's the antithesis of leftism. By the way, I'm very serious about the effeminate men. An effeminate man doesn't mean that he acts, you know, in so, you know, stereotypically effeminate ways, but he is not a fighter. He is weak. He wants to be loved by everybody. And he is generally very fearful of women. This is a very interesting—
That's one of your tenets of masculinity.
Right, is not to be intimidated by women. And when I, it's an interesting thing about, this is a good subject by the way, and one that's probably revelatory to you at your age. It's just, you know, most women don't even know this at 50. But the— there's a line that I hear from men a lot, and I have all through my life on the radio and privately. When you learn to say to your wife, yes, dear, then you'll have— that's the secret to a good marriage. And they, of course, they always say it smiling, and they often say it in front of their wife. But I never, I never really liked it. First of all, it's somewhat— it's, it's the whole thing bugs me. A, it's not respectful to your wife. Yes, dear. If that's— it means you don't take her seriously.
Yes, it's placating her.
It's placating. That's exactly right. Secondly, it isn't true. Women don't want that. They don't want a man to always go—
women want masculine.
Yes, exactly. And they— women— most men don't know this, most women don't even know this— women are always testing their man.
Hmm.
That, that is a big theory of mine.
You're probably right.
Yeah, it's— and I say it's not conscious. The desire to have a strong man who will protect them is primal to a human, to a female.
So you just said that a man placating his wife shows that he just really, he doesn't have respect for his wife because if, well, yes, it indicates a kernel of a lack of respect.
Why would he say yes, dear to everything? I mean, I know most of them are joking, but it doesn't matter. The joke is not a good one.
So I had this thought when I, you know, I mentioned that in New York, everywhere all over the city was, was decked out in pride flags. And I mentioned the Ugg store. The Ugg store on Fifth Avenue had a huge sign, a floor-to-top-of-the-window sign with 4 or 5 drag queens on it. And the advertisement was, "Feel heard, feel seen, Uggs." The whole thing is asinine. There are many directions that we could take this. Well, first of all, what does it mean to feel heard? When I am speaking, I know that you hear me. Can I say that I feel heard? No, there's no such thing as feeling heard. Feeling seen, I know you see me.
Feel seen.
And you know what it is? Okay, again, there are so many avenues that we could take this. This is, this is such characteristically liberal left-wing language. They've— this, this emphasis on feeling and these weird nonsensical statements that are trying to convey this message of being understood, but it It's just mealy-mouthed and weird. I'm not quite putting my finger on it, but I just— when I see that, it so rings bells for me.
It's not even understood. It's affirmed.
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Brilliant point.
It doesn't show you what their shoes are made out of.
Just, we support you.
We, we are going to pander and virtue signal to you, and you'll buy our product, and you're so weak that you'll come in and buy our products. Actually, I wish people would see this for what it really is, and that's our job. You say you're a translator, is that what you say? You say, um, an explainer. An explainer. That's what I hope to do. I want to alert people, just as you so brilliantly alerted people to actually the racism of calling things that aren't white supremacy white supremacy. I want to alert people to this. It's disrespect to the consumer.
You know what Sean just asked me on my earphone? Do you know the insulting question he just posed?
Oh, no. What?
Dennis, do you know what Uggs are?
Well, I think he does. You know why?
Please.
Can I expose you for a moment?
Shoes.
Dennis wears Birkenstocks.
Why is he laughing so hard? I'm right, right?
Yeah, they're shoes.
Yes.
Did you hear what I said?
They look like— what? Why'd you ask me how much a size 6 cost? Go ahead.
You wear Birkenstocks?
No, they're actually Mephisto, but they look like Birkenstocks.
I saw him in them once.
Yes.
And I was like, oh my God, liberal, liberal.
Yeah, there you go. And I do it while I drink a latte with almond milk. That's—
no, he's an almond oat milk. He's an almond oat milk boy.
By the way, I want to go back to this masculine thing about, uh, I don't find leftist men masculine, uh, because their desire— they don't— first of all, it takes no courage to be a leftist. None. It— you're going along. It takes very little courage to be a liberal today unless you fight like Alan Dershowitz does. So I'd like to ask a woman listening to this: the guys who walked around naked at the LGBTQ various festivals— there were naked men at a number of them, at least I— and I saw at least one guy bicycling naked. So is there one woman living who thinks those men are masculine? Is that a fair question? I mean, right? After all, they're making a stance. They're showing— so I'll go further. That was a rhetorical question. No woman thinks they're masculine.
They may kid themselves into thinking they're masculine.
Well, people kid themselves into thinking a lot of things.
I mean, that is There's a redefined masculinity, though. Being woke, being for the— okay, okay, causes. That's a real man.
Yeah, it's hard for me to believe that women really believe that. Maybe they do.
Some do.
Okay, so here is an interesting question. If, if you were to ask your fellow female graduates from college Random 50, all right? Totally random. You didn't even know them, right? There, imagine two men. One is wrapped in an LGBTQI+ flag and one is not. Which do you think that you, on that basis, would think of one as more masculine than the other?
I would, but I don't know if they—
I don't know if they wouldn't. Right. Okay. It's— that's a fascinating—
some might even say the one wrapped in the flag is more masculine, right? Because he is brave enough to stand up for what he believes in.
Right. Okay. Fair enough.
But I want to go back for a moment, if you don't mind, to the Statue of Liberty moment that I had, because it made such an impression on me. And as I said, the first feeling was overwhelming gratitude and love. And I, in life, I know this is the most closely obvious statement, but people forget it's so much better to love more things and to just to love than to not. And we in the United States, this is what makes me both angry and sad for leftists. They are missing out on such a great opportunity to love something. My life is enriched being an American because of course of my freedoms, but because I am so proud to be an American. And I love this country so much.
That is— forgive, I know you want to talk, but I'm sorry, you triggered a very— I think it's a new thought for me, which I love. I revel in them as you do. What does the average leftist love? It's a very, very powerful question.
They're packed.
That's a good answer. You're right, they're pet. They're, um, let's see, because I love Beethoven, I, I, I love great art, I love America, I love Western civilization, I love Shakespeare, and I, I love all my, obviously, my hobbies, and not to mention, most obviously, the people. I love my wife, I love my children. I love my friends. I love you. Well, you're a friend, so. But putting the human part aside, the average leftist isn't, as opposed to liberal, isn't marrying, isn't having children, doesn't love America, doesn't love their religion. Oh, I didn't mention that. I love my religious community. I love my religion. I mean, my list of loves—
That's why you're so happy.
Oh, there's no question. There's no question about it.
And love, as you— sorry, you go ahead. No, love, as you and I have talked about on this show, and as my mom has told me my whole life, the beautiful thing about love— this is what also makes me believe in it, in God. I think this, this idea is so meaningful. Love is not a pie. I can love you so much and love my parents so much. I love my friends so much. I love my country so much. And all the things that you mentioned And there's all of it to go. I can keep acquiring things to love and it doesn't take away from all the other things that I love. That is an— that is— that is a God-given treasure.
Right.
And so I love— I love your response. I love your response to this. Or I shouldn't say that. It's very interesting. You're right. What do leftists love? My instinct was to say the pet.
That was an excellent response.
And we should go into why, because I think a lot of leftists would answer their pet. But the reason why many leftists don't, in my calculation, love things or people is because love requires respect. Love requires gratitude. Respect and gratitude are not ingredients of leftism. Lack of respect and lack of gratitude are ingredients of leftism.
So build on that, 'cause that's, that's an interesting theory. I have to process it. So you can't love without gratitude is what you're saying.
Yes.
And since they lack gratitude, it's a very interesting point.
I love you because I—
So ask, so ask, forgive me, ask a leftist these— your question then, aside from what do you love, ask them what are you grateful for? Hmm.
I think they would say my pet. I'm not even kidding. I think they'd say my pet.
They might say my health.
Yeah, no, that's true. They would probably say their health. And they would— it's interesting. I think they'd say maybe if they have some friends.
Well, they wouldn't. Are you grateful for being an American? No. Are you grateful for being a Christian, a Jew? No. Are you grateful for being a man? No. That would be obvious. Are you grateful for being in Western culture, no. So what are you grateful for? It's a very interesting question.
Would they say their opportunities? I don't know.
Well, if they did, they would probably add, well, of course I'm white.
Yes, yes.
So I have all these opportunities that non-whites don't have. But even more—
I wish we could ask.
I wish we could, actually. It's worthy of a column.
I actually, I I could. I know. I know some leftists.
Good.
I can find them.
Yeah.
I don't know if they want to talk to me anymore.
What do you love? I'll tell you, a lot of them don't love their parents. I mean, that I will say, because there were so many who were— don't even talk to them.
But if Pat is so neutral—
reminds me, I want to read to you. Did I read to you? No, I didn't, because I got it since then.
What is it?
One of the most painful emails of my life about a very, a very— look, I only bring wonderful people into my life, right? You know that. So here is an email. You keep talking if you— because I'm gonna, I'm gonna find this.
Hello everyone, I'm Julie Hartman. I know some leftists. I'm gonna try to find them. They may not talk to me anymore.
But, uh, so all you ask them?
Well, you know, I love— now I'm aware of the verb, should say a different verb. I really enjoy just interrogating people about their life and their worldview, whether or not they're a leftist. I just like to get the way people see the world. So I would ask them anything. I would say, what are your favorite movies? What are your favorite TV shows? Do you have a good relationship with your fit? Because I want to paint a picture of the way that they see things. I've got a lot of leftist movies and TV shows are all about race, gender, sex. I don't know. I wonder if leftists have anything in their life, any hobby, anything of enjoyment that isn't political. Yeah, maybe knitting.
Knitting, that's funny. So you're ready?
I'm not even kidding, I think knitting.
All right, so listen to this. Uh, okay, so he's— I was talking about Father's Day.
Wait, so this is from one of your friends?
Yes.
Okay.
Oh, and a particularly fine and very bright guy.
Okay.
So he said, you were expressing your hope that dads were having contact with their families on Father's Day. Let's just say it triggered me. Uh, so I, for since 2021, I have had silence from my ex and both of my daughters. The pain from this estrangement is indescribable. Last summer I was suicidal. Oh, these days I'm simply grief-stricken, which is actually an improvement. Anyway, then he— then, uh, it's my— really, it affected me terribly to read this. So why did I raise this letter? Because I said a lot of leftists don't like their parents. What percentage of adults who don't speak to a parent are on the left?
I bet an outsized proportion, a very, very large—
why isn't that enough to tell people that most leftists, not liberals, are scummy human beings? See, people don't— the reason people are offended by what I said is because they don't want to acknowledge it. There, undoubtedly, there are leftists as opposed to liberals. I always make the distinction. I made it 3 times just in this broadcast. But mean people gravitate to the left, and the left makes you mean.
The latter is a really important point because of a lack of respect and a lack of gratitude. If you don't mind, I don't mean to interrupt you, but this story just came into my mind in college, and it shouldn't— I'm figuring out right now whether it matters if the race of the person matters, but I think it does. So there was a, actually a group of people in college who were Black, who would really hang out together all the time. They were in the same friend group. They would eat together all the time in the dining halls, and they were so mean to anyone that wasn't Black. In fact, they would say— well, one of my friends was roommates with a Black girl, one of the members of this group. And the Black girl said to her upon meeting her, I wanted a white roommate. And the situation was so hostile, after 6 weeks she had to move out. 6 weeks into freshman year, she went to the dean's office and said, I just, I have to find a new dorm. And this group would go out of their way to be—
I must have missed something.
Okay.
The black girl wanted a white roommate.
Yes. Oh, sorry. A black roommate. Did I say a white roommate?
Yes.
I'm so sorry. Oh, the black girl said—
I was thinking I was losing my mind.
No, no, no. I'm clearly losing my mind.
So tell the story again.
Said to this white girl, I wanted a black roommate.
And was the white girl her roommate at the time? Yes.
There were two in a— they were in a double.
Uh-huh.
First day of freshman year.
Well, by the way, said I wanted a black roommate.
It was so awful.
Why is that admirable? That's what I'd like to ask anyone worth their moral salt. Why is it admirable to want a roommate of your color?
That's not diversity. If you like diversity, that's not diversity.
Yes, that's correct. It is not diversity.
But this girl had to move out after 6 weeks.
The antithesis of what the college experience ought to be. Meet somebody different, theoretically.
And this group was so mean, not just to white people, but to other people who were not black, who would go out of their way to be really mean. You can't sit with us. Don't want you to be the room— our roommate. And it was this. And by the way, I'm— this group happened to be comprised of black students, but there were other leftists of white leftists, other leftists of different races who were just mean. But I'm remembering this group because my friend was the girl that was— had to move out of the dorm. So I remember this very well. And they like— I remember one time I said to the roommate, the Black girl who was so mean to my friend, I said, why are you so mean to her?
You did?
Of course. She was one of my really close friends.
I mean, yeah, but still, and I see you have guts.
Well, I'm like, this is awful. She's so nice. She's a great roommate. This is an opportunity to meet someone. And she's like, after all we— after all my people have been through, I can, I can say whatever I want to a white woman.
Okay, welcome.
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I wrote this at least 30 years ago, and I, I believed it all of my life. People who walk around thinking they're victims are going to be mean. Of course, that's the way it works.
And unhappy. It's what I—
that's right. Well, that's correct. That's in my happiness book, is a whole chapter on the victim mentality.
And they're not.
And it's the opposite of gratitude. And you can't be happy if you're not grateful.
Yes, I, that's so. And I think part of loving is being happy. So if you can't be happy without being grateful, you can't love without being grateful. People are missing out on such an opportunity to have a great love for this country. I saw the Statue of Liberty and I thought, I just thought, this is my country. This is, even though the French gave it to us, this is my statue. How lucky am I that I get to look out at this gorgeous thing? How lucky am I that I can go to Mount Rushmore and see these beautiful sights? I can go to the coast of California. I mean, we're so lucky. We should love this place. There's this conservative thinker. I know this is very helpful to everyone. I don't remember his last name. His first name is Richard. Dennis Prager. So that narrows it down to male and the name Richard. But I wish I remembered his last name. And he has this, this book about love. And he has this great chapter where he talks about that you should just love something because it's yours. Just as you love your stuffed animal because you've had it since you were 5. It's yours. It's a part of your life. You should love your country because it's yours. Think about the people who live in Iraq or in Iran under horrible, brutal dictatorships. Many of those citizens still love their country because it is theirs and they love it so much that they want to change it. There is no sense of that here.
That's right. That's correct. I remember when I was in my 20s, I was in Bulgaria 2 weeks ago, the first time since it was communist.
Wow, you were there when it was communist?
Yeah.
That's amazing.
Oh, totally.
God, you have to write your autobiography.
No kidding. It's driving me— it's one of the few things that drives me crazy is that I haven't written it yet. But I'm so dedicated to finishing my Bible commentary that I have— I can't do it. So I was there and I met a— I don't remember, but I was a young woman and I met her and I asked her what she was doing. She was at a university. What are you studying? Bulgarian literature. And I remember thinking, that's great. That is such a great thing that a Bulgarian girl is studying Bulgarian literature and majoring in it. You're a happier, richer person for, for love— what you're saying, loving yours. That's a great line.
Yes, love yours. But you know, The thing that makes America so great is also the thing that is contributing to its demise. What is so wonderful about America is that we are comprised of so— we are so diverse despite— the ultimate irony is that the left says America isn't diverse. We are the most diverse country in the world. In world history. Yeah, exactly. Not just in the world right now, in world history. We are so diverse, but that— but the problem is we don't have a naturally built-in identity the way most other countries do. A lot of countries, the reason why the country exists is because people are tied together by a certain ethnicity or by a certain religion. Half of the flags in the world, you know, I just read this flag book, book. Half of the flags in the world have religious symbols on it. That shows in a lot of countries the religion or the ethnicity— half, half ties it together.
In the United States, you read a flag book?
Of course. Oh, oh, amazing book. Tim Marshall's A Flag Worth Dying For. It goes through—
I, I'm sorry.
Oh, it was the most riveting book in the world. I did a show on it.
So you don't, you don't mean flag cards? Have you ever heard that?
Of course. The listener sent me—
yes.
Flag cards.
I love that you love flags. Go ahead.
Oh my gosh. Don't even get me started on flags. Actually, everyone should go to Timeless and watch the flag episode. I can't remember the name of it. It's fine, Sean. Just Google Vexology. Vexology. I got it because that's what flags— study of flags is vexology.
I did not know that.
Yes, vexology.
What's the study of vax then?
Of what?
Vax.
Oh, it's vex. V-E-X.
Oh, vexology.
Vexology. Half of the flags in the world have a religious symbol on it. That's the point. Countries have to be tied— most countries are tied together by ethnic or religious identity, and that makes it easy for an identity. In the United States, we're so ethnically and religiously diverse, we don't have that naturally built-in knitting. That's where e pluribus unum comes in. We used to really have to work and maintain our sense of American identity amidst this diversity. By adhering to this idea, out of many, one, we are all Americans. We, the United States, have to maintain our identity, which is really knitted together by values.
It doesn't come naturally.
'Cause it doesn't come naturally. And we have lost the maintenance, we have lost the civic hygiene. We no longer work at that. And so now, of course, we're fragmenting.
I love your passion.
I, I, yes. I tell you, I love it too. And I am really— I feel so strongly about this. I feel like it is my life vocation to help save this country. And I will work my tail off until the day I die to do it.
Why didn't you say but? That you were about to say but?
I was gonna say a 3-letter word.
Oh, oh.
But I'm working on cursing everyone. So.
Yeah, there you go. All right, I'm smiling because I'm tempted to ask you the Julie question.
Dating?
Yeah.
Oh, Dennis.
Okay, that ends that. That ends that.
He always wants to ask, and I swear my mother's paying him to ask because she knows if she even asks me, I won't go there.
Your parents? Yeah, of course not. Do you know, a woman many years ago, uh, met me at a speech I didn't even know who she was, but she came over after, after my talk. She says, would you do me a big favor and introduce my son to this wonderful girl I met? And I go, yeah, but I don't know your son and I don't know the girl and I don't know you. She said, it doesn't matter. He likes you. He'll listen to you much more quickly than he will me.
Thank you so much for saying that, because I know my parents are listening and they they take it personally.
Yeah. Oh no, you can't.
And I'm so close with them. I tell them everything. There are some areas of life you don't want to tell your parents about.
Dear Julie's parents, want you to understand it's part of the game. They— our kids don't want us to suggest possible mates. That's it. It's just—
what? So is that true with, with This is, this is interesting because I'm a daughter. What about your son?
Is it the same thing?
Yeah, I guess it is with the woman.
The woman. Yeah, it was the son. She wanted me to. Yeah.
Do you find as a father you could talk to your boys about dating or were they kind of standoffish with you?
Well, it's been a while since they dated. A bigger question, if I'm not changing the subject, at least not, not deliberately, is should parents intervene if they think their kid is making the wrong choice?
Oh, this could be a whole episode.
I know.
I am so conflicted about that.
Correct.
What do you think?
I, I'm— I have no answer.
The problem is it just may backfire.
That's right.
So you may—
that's right.
Part of me would say it's not even worth it, right?
And may not work. You, you may give extremely coherent reasons why you shouldn't be dating her or him, and they still won't be persuaded.
We should also do a show. I wonder if you've ever done this on an, on a male— I guess it would be an Ultimate Issues Hour. People who don't like their in-laws, their parents-in-law, their daughters-in-law.
Well, that would be a male-female hour. That would be fun. Yeah, because I do family stuff.
You should You should. You actually really— because it's, it's pretty common.
No. All right, I got a better topic for you on that. You'll— and you'll agree with me— people who like their in-laws more than their parents.
Oh, that's pretty good too.
Yes.
Does it— what would you say?
That's even more interesting.
So what—
a lot of people don't like their in-laws, but there are a lot of people who like their in-laws. Would you say 50/50? Uh, Yeah, I actually think I would.
That is so nice too. If you, if you have a bad relationship with your family, that's right, you'll be able to find it in another family.
That's right, it is. There's a lot of hope in that way. You know what I've always said about having children? Whatever was screwed up in your relationship with your parents, to a certain extent, life gives you a second chance and a third chance with grandchildren.
Yeah, in a way.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting how it all works?
It is interesting if you— but you've got to take advantage of it. Obviously you have to do that. See, if, if you have a bad relationship or not, not a good one with your parents, so obviously you're not going to get another set of parents, but whereas your parent-child relationship was bad or mediocre, You have a new chance at— a brand new chance at a different parent-child relationship with your child. Again, you're the parent, but it's still— it's the parent-child relationship. And I believe in that emphatically. My parents were terrific human beings, not particularly— certainly when I was growing up, they were not warm to me. They were warm to each other, they were warm to others, which is fine. None of this is said in any way. I have no anger. I have nothing. I am deeply grateful to them for the way I turned out. So just for the record, but that was not their area, okay? They were not hugging. They did not— they were not verbally warm. Again, growing up, but I became an adult, it was somewhat different. And the— what was the point we were making? Bingo! Yeah, it happened this time. Oh, this is really important to me though.
You have a second chance with the child.
Oh yes, so that's exactly right. So I, I knew that at a very early age, and it was very therefore extremely important to me to have children on a selfish, even on selfish grounds. I wanted to have a loving parent-child relationship And I was also right. It filled the hole. That's the way I always put it, that I had from my childhood. I was able to fill that hole with my kid, my kids.
You know how ambitious I am. I want a hopefully successful, long-lasting career. I just said till the day I die, I want to fight for this country. I'm I'm so excited to be a mom one day.
So it will— I, I, I want to see you a mother so badly that I rival your parents in that desire, because I want you to have a wonderful life. I want you to have a rich life. That's the reason. It has nothing to do with me. Uh, but I will be presuming I'm here to see it, and I I'm counting on it. I will be interested to see how that affects you. A lot of women are very career-oriented, as you are. Then the kid comes and it blows them away, how attached they become to that kid.
Well, the thing is, I don't want to— I am the beneficiary of a stay-at-home mom. I would not be the person I am without my mom and the attention and the selflessness that, that she gave to, to me and also to my sisters. But I also don't want my kids to become my entire life because I've seen parents—
that's, that's bad for the child. Yeah, not just for the parent. Oh, it's horrific.
I've seen parents who've put everything— or mothers especially put everything, and then, and then their kid goes away to college and they're like, they don't know what the hell to do. What to do with their life. And that's real.
Well, that's okay. That is his date. That I perceive as big a danger in you as you're becoming trans.
Okay, okay, good.
Yeah, thrilling to hear. That will not— that is not a— it's not— it's not— don't even think about it. The only question is, will you— will there be even a tear in you? What— you know what, I want to save America. Thank God you do. And you might be able— I, I, that's how highly I think of you. But, uh, you, you're a loving creature. And, and when that, when that baby shows up— and by the way, I mean shows up. I didn't even say when you give birth. When— which, by the way, you know for a fact You showed up.
I showed up.
That's right.
For those who don't know, I was— I'm the— I am the child of a surrogate. Yes, I'm 100% related to my parents.
But of course, right, right. But even I'm not 100% related to one of my sons. He's adopted at birth. But of course, as you know, it makes no difference. It's, it's, it's as insignificant as his eye color. But I just want to tell you That's— they— both my boys, the biological and the adopted, showed up. I didn't carry either, so I can't speak for women in that arena.
Yes, what is that like for a man?
What is what like for a man?
I never asked this to a man. I can't believe, with all my curiosity, you didn't birth—
because that's right, they show up to it. That's exactly right. I, I can't— I don't, I don't know.
What is it like? Is it— do you feel the attachment as your wife or the birth mother was pregnant? Or do you feel the attachment when, when the kid is out of the oven and in your arms?
Yeah, I would say that that's the second one. At least I can't speak for all men.
Interesting.
Maybe, you know, they're very attached through the time of pregnancy, but I— how can you compete with the person carrying the baby?
Okay, Dennis and Julie tangent number 158 this episode. When you just said when the baby shows up.
Yes, that's what made me think. That's how I explain to people that for at least certainly for the father, what the hell is the difference if it's a birth child or an adopted child? I didn't carry either of them. They showed up.
So I was thinking recently, people, view you. Well, because I was actually at the airport and I was— my flight was delayed 6 hours, which is a whole other episode we can talk about. The, the lack of customers. So it's disgusting these days. But guess what? JetBlue's giving me a $50 voucher. They wrote that in an email. Anyway, beautiful.
You can get ink.
Yeah, exactly. I can't— I love— I love that's where your mind goes. You can get ink for $50.
There's not much you can get today.
True. So anyway, I'm at the airport. I'm standing next to this guy. You all make friends in your misery. And I get chatting and I tell him that I have a show with Dennis Prager. And he was nice. I don't think he was conservative. I think he was moderate. We were talking about his child's school and how woke that school is. And he goes, oh, well, he's an arch-conservative. I thought that was interesting, an arch-conservative. And as I was thinking about it later, There are so many stances that you have that someone would— that most people would not expect you to have if they didn't know you and if they didn't listen to you regularly. I bet a lot of people, including that man, would be surprised that you have an adopted son. I bet they would think she's a big nuclear family guy. You know, your stances on how blood is somewhat insignificant with love. Your wife is the most strong-willed, independent, bombastic— I don't know if that word is used in a good way, but I mean it in the best way— just, just full of life, full of opinions. People would probably think you have this very docile, obedient Stepford wife. Dead opposite. Also, your views on actions matter more than thoughts. I bet a lot of people go, he's a big, you know, Judeo-Christian conservative. He believes— there are a lot of these opinions.
They expect my wife and me to be the godparents of a gay couple.
Of a gay couple. And you know what you should do? You should almost do a PragerU video, like all the things you wouldn't expect about Dennis Prager.
I think that's brilliant.
I honestly do too, because I was tempted to say to that guy, and I didn't sense he meant it as an insult, but I sensed he wasn't of your persuasion.
Right.
I wanted to bring those things up.
Yeah. Well, they have this image of conservatives, and one of the mind-blowing things, if they meet me and not me at all alone, most is we're nice.
Oh, don't, don't I know this? I told, I told the story on the show. I go to this coffee store. There's a transgender barista. Who has she or they/them pronouns and P-word fights back, you know, big liberal seeming person. And this trans person said to me one time, you are so nice. You're always so polite to us. You're always so pleasant. And I so badly wanted to say, I'm conservative. I bet you would think I'm an evil bigot.
Right.
Or worse, this nice person that you just said would vote for Trump.
All right. God, did this go fast.
I know. It's so fun.
Total. Tell everybody how to get in touch.
I will. For the sake of time, usually I kick it over to Dennis Prager for a quiz. I guess women are always quizzing men.
See that?
You can reach me at julie@julie-artman.com. I want to tell you, it is painful for me that I can't respond to all of the emails. Your graciousness— every email I get is so gracious and I so appreciate it, but I read all of them. And you can also follow me @juliarrhartman on Instagram and Twitter to at the very least see that Uggs reel that I did on Fifth Avenue with the drag queens on it. Or maybe you don't want to see that. Maybe that's not the best advertisement for my Instagram. See you all soon. It's so fun to be with you.
Bye everybody.
Shalom.
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Why?
Because we live in an age where increasingly feelings define right and wrong. But if morality is based on emotion, then murder, rape, and theft are just opinions. And if people feel justified, why is rioting or destruction wrong at all? In his new book, If There Is No God, Dennis Prager explains why civilizations cannot survive without objective morality and why Judeo-Christian values shape the moral foundations of the free world.
If you claim that certain things are good, certain things are evil, independent of how you feel about it, you are in effect affirming God.
If There Is No God by Dennis Prager, available now at pragerstore.com. That's pragerstore.com.