Going Beyond Your Home Station

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Hello there, everybody. Dennis Prager and Julie Hartman.

Dennis and Julie, who are matching today.

See, this is a classic example of the male brain and female brain. Had you said to me, what do you and Julie have in common today, and we will not give you food until you guess, I would have starved to death. And the first thing that Julie said was, is it okay that we have matching shirts? Okay, that's a male-female difference. I have even a lot to say about male-female We've—

oh, believe me, we've talked about it.

I know, but the brain— I got— I'm not getting into it. Not getting into it. The weeks go fast, by the way. In— from the very beginning of our podcasts, did we ever miss a week?

Nope.

I love that. And that's amazing, given my travels, given that you were still at school. So since I was with you, I spent 4 days in northern Alaska.

That is amazing to me.

It is amazing.

And by the way, you called me one time and then I missed the call and I was going to return it and I thought, oh gosh, the time difference must be massive.

1 hour.

It's 1 hour. Yeah, I looked it up and then I realized it was stupid to have not called you back. You're just an hour behind us.

Which are rare time zones. There's Eastern, Central, Mountain, Pacific, and Alaska.

Have you been to Alaska before?

Many times.

Really?

Yes.

I've never been.

I love, love, love Alaska. But the moment it became possible for me to give a speech in Fairbanks, which is way north, it's 6 hours drive north It's, it's like LA to San Francisco, which is a long trip.

Yeah.

Anchorage, which is already north, right? Anchorage, not northern Alaska, but Anchorage to Fairbanks is due north. Let's— here's a way of explaining how north it is. So I took Sue and her kids, my two stepsons, so we went L.A., Seattle, Fairbanks. Seattle is the very top of the United States in the Northwest. So that's quite north. You fly 3.5 hours nonstop north to get to Fairbanks. That is the equivalent of going from L.A. to Chicago.

That's L.A. to Oklahoma.

Why'd you pick on Oklahoma?

No, I wasn't picking on it. I just went, no, no, I know.

Not picking.

I mean, well, because the flight is 3 hours, right?

So with great love and respect, more people will relate to LA-Chicago than LA-Atlanta.

I'm correcting you here. LA-Chicago is 4 hours. It's not 3 and a half.

Oh my God.

Precision's important. I'm letting Mr. Clear doing—

Julie will be doing the Dennis and Julie podcast today. It will be called and Julie. What's his name and Julie. So, all right, but think about it, how long it is to go to the Midwest from LA, and that's how much north of Seattle Fairbanks is.

It's amazing.

So why did I take the speech there? I wanted to first— and why in the winter? I could have gone in the summer. A, I wanted to experience 25 below. I've never experienced that. I'm serious. That's true. I admit it.

Yes, I wanted to experience—

yes, I really, really wanted to. And B, I wanted to see the Northern Lights, the Aurora Borealis, one of the great natural phenomena— thank you— that God has given to the human race. So I'm truly laughing. We end up going for 4 days. Not one night was the aurora borealis visible.

No, you didn't see it.

And wait, and here's the corker. No, that was the only week this winter when the temperature went above zero. It went to 4. You'll love this. Every morning I would look on my, my phone temperature in Fairbanks. So one morning it says 4 degrees, feels like 3. Now, is that hilarious?

Yes, it is. You can really notice that one degree difference between 4 and 3. Oh, so you didn't see them at all?

No.

And I didn't get to have 25 below, but I still had the greatest time because By the way, to see the Northern Lights, it's not— there are two major factors that either enable you or not enable you to see them. One is obvious, the obvious, is there a cloud covering? If it's a cloudy sky at night, you can't see it. That's obvious. The other, which I had no idea about, is sun activity. Oh wow, who wouldn't— I would know that. So even if it's a completely clear sky and the sun activity is not taking place that creates the aurora borealis, you won't see it. So we were cursed with the sun's activities while we were there. The sun went on vacation. But you ready for the next— and I have a philosophical thought on this. We left on a Sunday. I had a speech in Seattle, so we went from Fairbanks, Seattle, and I went to give a speech at a big church there. And the— there is an app. There's an actual Aurora Borealis app.

Of course.

For when you can see and when you won't be able to see that week. We left Sunday morning to get to Seattle. Sunday night was the best visibility that month, and I'm in Seattle giving a speech. So what does one do? And this is meant seriously. So I was disappointed on the cold. It was only zero, which is a riot. And I didn't get to see the Northern Lights. And literally only God knows if I'll ever get to see them. You don't get there much in the winter to such northern climes, northern latitudes. So this is the attitude the human being must adopt to survive life. That you win some and you lose some. That's it. End of issue.

I'll give you a good example of how I adopted this. The lockdowns. I lost nearly 50%.

That's right. My college experience bigger than the aurora borealis due to lockdowns.

And it was, you know, it was so, it was so sad for so many reasons. A, because I sacrificed my entire high school years on the altar of getting into college. And then once I got into college, I thought, I mean, and I worked my tail off in college too. You know me, I, I can't ever not work really hard. But you know, I, I had a lot of fun and I remember sophomore year, halfway through sophomore year when I was sent home and I, the rest of sophomore year I was home in the entirety of junior year I was home, which means I got no junior year of college, zero. And I felt like I had just kind of gotten my footing and really solidified my friendships and my place on campus and all that, and we were sent home. And it was, for a year and a half, just, it was depressing. Couldn't see anybody, locked up. I was in my parents' house for like 8 months. It was, and I was this young—

Versus a very robust college life. I mean, you went to Harvard. I'll say it, you didn't. Harvard stinks. For many reasons, but it does have a robust—

Absolutely. —intellectual and artistic life. Oh my gosh. And immense opportunities. Just immense. You know, I mean, I went to Israel my senior year on a travel trip. They had all these opportunities. You could go into Boston free, go to the museums, go to the JFK Library. I mean, just immense opportunities there. And I was really resentful because on top of it being very sad. It was unnecessary. And that was the thing that made me crazy, because it's like, why is this happening to us right now? And B, it doesn't need to happen. We are between 18 and 24 years old. We're not at risk of dying of COVID Literally under 1,000 people— it's— I'm not getting the stat exactly right, but I was reading the other day under 1,000 people aged like 18 to 26 died of COVID And But here's the thing. I remember thinking the resentment and the sadness and the sense of loss is going to eat you up in life, Julie, if you don't. Very good. Seriously, I remember thinking that's impressive. And I still to this day have this mantra and I go, guess what? That's a healthy young woman. My parents are alive. You have— I live in America. And by the way, COVID was great for me because look at what happened. I discovered you, you know. So I mean, but a lot of my friends in COVID did not have Didn't meet Dennis Prager and then get a talk show. That's right. No, but I thought, you know what, Julie? Life— forgive me for saying it so bluntly— life is going to screw you over sometimes. That's right. And it screws everyone over. It's just a matter of time and a matter of how. And I've had a pretty damn good life.

By the way, I do want to say something. This was your attitude prior to our meeting. Of course. Yes. No, I just want people to understand. I know I've touched your life. I'm thrilled beyond words. It's one of the great achievements of my life. That's how much I value you. But this was completely Dennis Prager-free. This was Julie independently. That's a big deal. You, you live two enormous rules of my own life, my chapter in my happiness book on not having expectations. So you are more likely to be pleasantly surprised than horribly disappointed. That's huge. There's no other way to live life. That's what I felt, you know, your loss was bigger than my not seeing the aurora borealis. But nevertheless, that was one of the two things I looked forward to, and I got neither of them. You know that one night we traveled 3 hours in complete darkness on icy roads? It's not fun. And I Drive. Yeah. All over the world, right?

No, that's scary.

3 hours. And I can say very few people can say this. I drove 3 hours to see nothing and then drove 3 hours back. No, no, no. An hour and a half each way.

Oh, oh, I see. I see.

It was not by dog sled, by the way. While I was giving a speech, the family went and did a dog sled. I've done a dog sled before. That's a blast. Yes, you should. Well, it's, it's, it's a fun thrill. What is amazing about those dogs is that they love it. I mean, they're in 25 below weather running their tail off, right? And they're happy as a clam, which is a very odd word for a husky, but, you know, in the snow. But anyway, this, this is a big deal for people to understand. Everything in life is how you react to it.

Yes, I have thought that recently. I thought, what if I got in front of an audience of, of, you know, 5,000 people and I said to them, I've got something for all of you. I don't care where you're from, what background you have, how much you've been through in life. You can be rich, you can be poor, you can be Black, you can be white, you can be American, you can be, you know, victims of authoritarian regimes all around the world. I have a solution that applies to all of you. And will make all of you happy if you choose it. And that is adopting a good worldview. That's what it is. Your worldview is everything, everything. And so I thought of that when I was, you know, sent home due to the lockdowns. I remember thinking, okay, Julie, you're gonna, you're going to slide down a hill of resentment and anger and sadness if you don't buck up and realize that life is unfair and you've had a pretty good life and these are the cards you've been dealt and in the tally of things you're coming out on top. I'll give you another example of how early on in my life a worldview that I adopted really changed me for the better and made me a lot less miserable. So as you know, I went to a very, very competitive all-girls private high school in Los Angeles and Basically, the entire vocation of all of us was to get into college. That was it. I mean, all of us all day were just loading up on AP and honors classes, doing these grueling sports, running for student government. We were all trying to get into college.

And so I remember— Well, just to be more precise, into a prestigious college. Yes, exactly.

A prestigious college. But that was what all of us cared about, bar none. And I remember because your, your transcript when you apply to colleges only starts in 9th grade, and my school was 7th through 12th. And so I remember in 8th grade, I was thinking, oh gosh, you know, 9th grade is ahead of us. This is when it's all going to start and the, the rat race begins, really begins. And I remember I was on the bus home and I was looking out the window and I was thinking, I'm going to be miserable for 4 years because A, I'm gonna slog away, but B, I'm gonna look around at all these people. And I went to high school with hugely smart, competent, talented girls and girls who had parents who were legacies at these prestigious universities. You know, we all kind of had each other's number a bit. And I remember thinking, I'm gonna be miserable for the next 4 years if I don't figure out a way to deal with this. 'Cause there's gonna be a girl, there are gonna be girls who are gonna do way better in me than school, are gonna do better in me than sports. And I've gotta, figure out how to deal with that.

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So here's what I came up with. And it shows you, by the way, the seeds of my worldview now, or my conservatism, were always there. I just didn't know. I didn't have any language to ascribe to it. And I came up with this thought, which is, if someone does better than I do and they worked hard and they got it on their own merits, I should be happy for them. I shouldn't be resentful. I shouldn't be jealous for two reasons. First, they're setting a good example for me and they're, they're making me better because I want to catch up to them. And second, crucially, if a system is rewarding people based on their own merit, that's a benefit for all of us. Because if a meritocratic system is going to reward that girl for, you know, doing well on the SAT, then the meritocratic system will reward me for doing well on the SAT. So more, more merit being rewarded is like a cosmic justice for all of us.

That's impressive.

Well, it really was just trying to save myself from, from being resentful and jealous.

You described is George Gilder, one of the great minds of the last 50 years. George Gilder's book, The Israel Test, his whole thesis. I mean, You— one could watch it at PragerU. I interviewed him on my show. Isn't he terrific?

Oh, he's wonderful. Yes. He wrote a book on capitalism. He's not a youngster.

No, he's not phenomenal. Yeah. George Gilder wrote a book, The Israel Test. He does a 5-minute video on The Israel Test for PragerU. For those who want to watch him summarize his thesis, the thesis is essentially Watch how people react to those who do better, and you will know that basically you know that person. You, you can predict how they will act in life. And he said Israel is the test. Israel has done better than all of its surrounding countries, and all of the surrounding countries hate Israel for it. If Israel were as big a failure as the Palestinian entity is, right, as the Syrian entity, as the Iraqi entity, then it wouldn't be nearly as hated. That they, that they made literally a mosquito-infested area into Tel Aviv is what drives their haters crazy. But by the way, it's one of the sources of antisemitism. Jews have generally done better, and I don't mean just financially. More stable family life, less crime, less alcoholism. And everybody knows how critical I am with many Jews' ideas. So this is not chauvinism. It's just a fact that George Gilder is a Christian. He's not a Jew. So what you said, you passed the Israel test, having nothing to do with Israel specifically. If those girls got ahead without cheating, Yep, etc. And they are more power to them. So you have a choice, though, and this is the Israel test. You, Julie, could have said they cheated. They got— they got into Harvard and I didn't. You did. But I'm just saying if you didn't, they got into Harvard because of legacy, because of Y or Z, or they cheated on tests and they got away with it. They manipulated the system and they got in and you resent them. Or you could say, wait a minute, if they did make it honestly, that's great. So I have to figure out how can I do it honestly? And as you said, that was a great innovation of your thought. It's better for me in the long run because then it makes it harder for me to succeed.

Yes, then I have a chance. That's right. So I'll tell you this really, I thought of my 8th grade self looking out of the bus best window having this revelation when I was in college because there was a guy in my dorm who is Nigerian. And I just love talking with people from different parts of the world, different walks of life, and like interrogating them about their upbringing and all of that. And he said to me something that totally startled me. Now, I know better than anyone that our system here in the United States is unique for many reasons, but I think I didn't quite understand just how bad it is elsewhere. In many places, this Nigerian friend of mine told me he had to take the SAT 5 times even though he got a perfect score on the first time. Why do you think that is?

In Nigeria? Yeah. Or he—

or here in Nigeria. So, so basically the SAT and the ACT, I don't know if he took it in Nigeria, but he— you have to fly to like my— I have a really close friend from Kazakhstan. She had to fly to Turkmenistan to take the ACT because they didn't offer it in Kazakhstan. So I don't know if he took it in Nigeria or another country on the continent, but it was—

it was for Nigeria. Yes. And why did he have to? So the Nigerian government insisted, or the Nigerian state, or the Nigerian education, or perhaps for—

maybe it wasn't the SAT, but it was— it was okay.

Some national— some national test. Why did he have to take it 5 times? Because he came from a wealthy family.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm guessing. No. Why?

He got a perfect score the first time. Why would you need to take it 5 times? Someone bribed the officials to steal his score. Oh, yeah. Okay. I should have thought of that.

And it happened.

It happened 5 times, right?

This is the norm. This is the norm in human society. It is. That's why when people crap on America, it shows the ignorance that they have elsewhere.

And they're ingrates.

When I was in I've been all over Africa. I've been to 20 African countries. I remember. Yeah, it is amazing. I've traveled a lot and I love that. And that's why I wanted to go to Fairbanks. I love it. I want to see the world before I leave this world. And I've seen a lot of it anyway. We were in West Africa. I don't remember which country it was either. Let's see, Ghana or Gambia or Togo or I don't know which. Remember the fourth. And anyway, so we had a driver, a local African driver, and he looks at us and he says, watch this. We're driving on a street and there's a police blockade. If you gave the policeman a certain amount of money, they opened up the barrier. There was pure bribery. 100%. Yep. Your car doesn't move till you pay the cops some money.

Yep. So, so that's again why when people succeed on their own merits, we should be so happy because it's another, it's another penny in the jar.

You're cursed with this system. With a very powerful sense of reason. You said I'm cursed.

Yeah. I love that. That is a whole subject onto its own. I love that you put it that way. In many ways, it is a curse.

I know it because I am similarly cursed. We wouldn't have it any other way. Right. The thought of being run by my emotions is so frightening to me that I don't want to go there. But acting rationally and thinking rationally is, is as rare as— almost as rare as courage. Courage is more rare, I admit it, but thinking rationally, you know, the Age of Reason ushered in in the 18th, 19th century has produced at least as much irrationality. Remember, the West is the inheritor of the Age of Reason, and only in the West do they say people give, men give birth.

Right, right.

There is the amount of irrationality in the Western world is extraordinary. Maybe we need reason and God.

Oh, okay. So recently on Timeless— that is very well said and a hugely important insight. Recently on Timeless, I welcomed to the show a man named Rob Henderson who went to— did he do the Luxury?

Yes. Which, by the way, brilliant article. By the way, I am not—

I am not saying that he took it from me. I think this is something that people, you know, recognize. I said this on Dennis and Julie like a year ago. I said beliefs can be just as luxurious as the finest jewelry, cars, vacations. You know, if you believe— if you get so offended by a conservative speaker, you're pretty damn privileged. You haven't had to face a lot in life. So I'm, again, truly, I'm not implying in any way he took it from me, but I just Just want to say for the record, yours truly had the observation. So I welcomed to the show Rob Henderson, who wrote, you know, that article, as you say, about luxury beliefs. And he, he went to Yale and he went to Cambridge and got a PhD. And he was in— he's a veteran. He served in the Army and he grew up in foster care and to a drug-addicted mother, a father he never met. And he just published a great book, which people should get, called Troubled. And it's about his upbringing and how he became conservative and how he saw that a lot of the things that the left advocates for or gives passes to, like fatherlessness, you know, when Black Lives Matter say things like, oh, we want to upend the Western prescribed notion of the nuclear family, he outlines, you know, people think that's a cool belief to have, but it actually comes at great cost to those who are less fortunate anyway.

Because they'll adopt it. Yes. Critical.

Right. The elite doesn't. Well, exactly. The elite practice bourgeoisie values and then scorn bourgeoisie values. I highlighted this in my senior speech at Harvard. I said, those who decry, you know, the nuke, or those who disparage the nuclear family grew up in two-parent households. I remember there was someone in college, I was having a debate with them about, you know, the— it's amazing it was even a debate about the necessity of the nuclear family. And I'll never forget, she looked at me and she goes, The nuclear family. What are we in, like the 1950s? And I paused and I said, wait a minute, didn't you grow up in a two-parent household?

Really? Don't you actually have—

this actually happened. I said, don't you have a mother and father?

What year were you in?

2020. I was having all these debates with my friends because I was becoming conservative. Anyway, anyway, so back to your point, because you said we need— you're talking about reason and you were saying we need reason, but we need God. That is a critical supplement. And Rob Henderson, when we were talking, we were discussing, you know, where this wokeism comes from. And he had this great line where he said, you know, I think this is kind of a tax that we have to pay in a free society and in the Western world. Now, I would dispute that we have to pay the tax, but I take his point that we, we live in a society which grants us the right to say whatever we want. And we should recognize that privilege and also recognize the responsibility that comes with that privilege to not abuse it and to not let it go too far. We should exercise our freedom of speech to advocate for responsible values instead of using it to advocate all of this sludge. And the critical thing here is, is that we don't like we don't have that supplement of God and of wisdom. John Adams said this great line where he said, you know, this system that we've created in the United States was created for a moral and religious people, because otherwise we will just let our freedoms run rampant and we will abuse those freedoms if we do not supplement them with a Judeo-Christian wise worldview.

They're not rooted in that.

Right. Yep. So anyway, watch, watch that episode with Rob Henderson.

So let me go back to Fairbanks.

Oh, I didn't realize you were done.

I'm sorry. No, I veered as much as you did.

Okay.

So what was the joy if I didn't get to see the aurora borealis and I didn't get to experience 25 below? And that is two things, and they, they will stick with me. One is, if you, if you have not visited a world of snow, then you can only imagine what it is like. These people live in a city that is essentially white for at least 4 months a year, maybe 6. Wow. Yes, wow. It creates a different sense of life, and I actually deeply appreciated it for some reason. First of all, I think— I think— have you ever been in— because you grew up in California— have you ever been in a snowfall? Oh, of course, yes.

Where? Oh, I've been skiing.

Oh, that's right, you ski. Okay.

And I went to college in Boston. Okay, fair. A small school outside of Boston.

So tell me, and I— it's obvious what answer I want, but don't give me the answer I want if you don't believe it. Do you know of anything in nature that creates the sense of peace that a snowfall does? Rain. Oh, really? Okay, fair enough. So they're equal? No, snow's more. Okay. All right. So there you go. All right. By the way, I agree on rain, although if you lived in Seattle, I'm not sure.

Yeah, we in Los Angeles.

I love that. Right. But snow— when I grew up in New York and it snowed, I remember as a kid, this sense of peace. Yeah. That would overtake me. Just, it's quiet. See, rain is loud, snow is quiet. So that, that's also a factor. And of course the rain, I mean, it stays in puddles. So are you ready to lose weight but not sure where to start? So I'd like to tell you why I chose PhD Weight Loss and Nutrition and why I recommend it to you. I've never advertised a weight loss program. First, Dr. Ashley Lucas has her PhD in chronic disease and sports nutrition. The program is science-based. The PhD program starts with nutrition, but it's much more. They know that 90% of permanent change comes from the mind, and they work on eliminating the reason you gained weight in the first place. There are no shortcuts, no pills, no injections, just solid science-based nutrition and behavior change. It's been very effective with me. My colleagues Seb Gorka and Mike Gallagher have extolled its virtues. So if you're ready to lose weight for the last time, call 864-644-1900 to get started, or go online at myphdweightloss.com and just make the appointment for your one-on-one consultation. Call today, 864-644-1900. Snow builds up, and it— so in Fairbanks, this is again hours north, 6-hour drive north of Anchorage. You're really— by the way, it's so north there's nothing essentially north of Fairbanks. There was no road. You can get— you can fly to the top of Alaska, Nome, or you can go by dog sled. You cannot drive. The roads basically end going north in the area of Fairbanks. That— so I'm just again showing it's sort of like an English-language Siberia. That area of Alaska. And I have to tell you, because we live in the greatest weather on Earth— Southern California is the greatest weather on Earth. They say Cape Town and Perth are tied, but fine, it's the greatest weather in the world. And I deeply appreciate the weather. It's one of the only remaining good things about California. But I It was the first time I thought I could live here. I could live in this unbelievably freezing cold. It creates— I don't— I can't fully verbalize it. It creates, as I said, a certain peace. And it's— you, you're so connected to nature because nature is so impinging on your life. Mm-hmm. I went, needless to say, you'll love this. So I went, I went on Friday afternoon. They invited me to a cigar lounge because everybody knows I smoke cigars, and you know, some local cigar smokers heard about it and they came as well. So I asked the proprietor, how's business? And he said, well, Totally straight-faced. You'll love this. He goes, it's fine, but I'll admit when it gets 60 below, people don't like leaving their house. Yeah, for real. When they're suited, 60. So I said, you mean 25 below is a non-issue? Oh no, we're full then. Yeah, it's like 70 and sunny. 60 below. They prefer to stay home.

I so take your point, Dennis, and I think we should follow up on this, that they— I love what you just said. They're connected more with nature. Yeah, because they have to be. That's right. I don't— I would love to live in the snow. I don't know if I'd want to live in 25 below. There are other places to find snow where you can have that. But so you know that I am fascinated by the question of why so few people in my generation believe in God. Not just in my generation, but really in the modern, you know, right, the last 100, 150 years. And obviously it's because we've been brainwashed. We've been taught that, you know, religion is defective and antiquated. And as you so eloquently argue, we haven't been taught the necessity of God. And you always— I love when you say this because it's exactly what happened to me. You said, I don't argue for the existence of God, I argue for the necessity of God. And then when people realize the necessity of God, they'll be led to believe in the existence. Literally, that is precisely what occurred when I read your Torah commentary. It's brilliant. But I think another reason, maybe like 15-20% of the explanation, is that we have man-made bias. In other words, literally look at where we are right now. Everything around us is man-made. When you're driving down the street, you're in your car, which is man-made. You're looking at skyscrapers, which is man-made. You're looking at the telephone wires. The temperature in your car is man-made. The temperature in your car is— everything. Listening to the radio is man-made. Nearly every single thing that we do that are I mean, like, hallmarks of our lives are man-made. And I can't— I think that has contributed to us getting away from God. Because think about it, if you live in Fairbanks, Alaska, or let's see, that is a very powerful insight.

Thank you. That's why I'd like to do a podcast.

So cool. I mean, I just want to say as an aside, sometimes I think about my old self when I was first discovering you and your books, and then when I wrote you an email, I would have been thrilled if you wrote back, thanks. Like, that would have made my year. And then the fact that I'm sitting across— anyway, I don't mean to say it as a bragging thing. It's just, I don't take it for granted. Um, but I think this has contributed to, to this more than we might think, because if you're in Fairbanks, Alaska, or let's go back 300, 500 years. So it's a question.

Do you think more people percentage-wise believe in God in Fairbanks? Yes. Than elsewhere?

I do. Well, I think that's for another reason, which is I think they are physically and ideologically more removed from the absurd mainland of the United States and what's been allowed to take hold there. That's true. But I really do think, because when you were, let's go back like 500 years ago, okay? You look around you and 95% or 90% of what you're seeing is not man-made. It's something that you, you have awe and wonder at. You're looking at the moon, you're looking at the sun, food. Exactly. Great, great observation because now we have all this processed food, mountains, you know, plants, trees. You look around and you and back then you realize I didn't create this. Something or someone else did. Now we live in this world where everything is created by man. So we think that's just all it's been and we discount.

So, okay, so here, here's a challenge. Okay. Everything you said is valid. But when you said that they're removed from the mainland, I thought of the only other state removed from the mainland, Hawaii. Yeah. Which is, which is quite left and probably fairly atheist. Maybe. But, but maybe there's another factor. Okay, go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I know. Don't be sorry.

Go ahead. Okay. But don't forget your point.

It might be your point, but I'll let you make it.

I think life is probably harder in Alaska. That's correct. That's my point. Okay, well, I'll tell you quickly, and then I want to hear the great way that you're going to explain it. But I love Niccolò Machiavelli, the 16th century Italian writer. I love him. And people are going to go, oh, of course she does. You know, the bigot conservative loves the— you should be scared. But I'm telling you, I did a whole episode on it. Machiavelli gets a bad rap. He actually is a lot more attuned to morality and virtues than you might expect. Anyway, he has all of these, like, because his book The Prince is about like how to build a civilization. And one of the things that he advises a ruler— and again, he's in the 16th century, so take it with a grain of salt— to do is he said, settle on harsh land. Oh, how interesting. Right. And he says you don't want it to be so harsh as to be totally debilitating where you have no crops, but settle on land that is not easy, that takes work, because then your population is busy, your population is united, your population has a shared goal.

I now know why you're a Mackey. Machiavelli fan. Oh, that is— trust me, that's typical of his insight. That's brilliant.

That is like— that's like here on the totem pole of the Machiavelli insights. You think that one's good? Watch my Timeless episode on it. But I will. But I think they don't like— in Alaska and in the harsh places where Machiavelli-inspired rulers settled, they didn't have the luxury in the free time to think about crazy ideas. They had to work on their survival, on building their civilization, etc., plowing their roads. Yes. You know, what do you think?

I thought that was the point I was going to make. It's the God issue. It has a, I think, an analogy or an analogous situation. You'll love this. Here's a question I have, because you do the same thing, which is why I— one of the many reasons I so enjoy you— is mull over these questions. Who is more likely to believe in God, all other things being equal? One who suffers a great deal, or one who has an affluent, healthy easy, relatively easy life. It's, it's— so the answer we all know is the ones who suffer, right? So why though? That's, that, that's my, always my follow-up question. Why? You would think that the one who has it easy will be grateful to God. Wow, did I luck out! I want, I, you know, I want to thank God. But that never happens. Or that— I can't say never happens, of course it happens, but most of the time it doesn't happen. Whereas the, the person who suffers, it's not that they— people will dismiss, oh well, they think God will help them. Okay, most people know that.

And by the way, even if they do think that, why is that something to scorn?

You know what, that's fair, that's fair. But, but what it does is it It means that the reason that they believe in God is because they have this view of he'll help me out. So that doesn't argue for God in any way. That's what they'll maintain. So the one in the harsh environment, it's like my question, the one who has a harsh life, and they're more likely People who have it good, back to the necessity issue, think they don't need a God. Is it— you'll love this line. I wonder if you ever heard it, and if you didn't, you'll be very happy we're doing this podcast. As if I wasn't happy already that we're doing it. Yes, well, it's mutual. So-and-so is a self-made man, and he— and And he believes— what is it? And he believes in his God. What? How does it go? How does it go? He's a self-made man and he believes in his God. Something— in other words, I made me. I am my God. So it's very common to think if you have it good, you know, I'm totally self-reliant. I need nothing, right? But I wasn't even thinking of God when I was thinking of the power of life in Fairbanks in this regard, of being surrounded by cold, surrounded by snow. I was very moved. That's all I could say. I did not expect it at all. I wanted the aurora borealis, and I wanted the cold weather. Intensely cold. It was obviously cold. And he believes in his creator. That's it. Yes, he is a self-made man and he worships his creator, not God. That's, that's the line. It's a great line. He's a self-made man and he worships his creator. He's his creator. That's, that's the assumption. So I— one other thing I learned, this you'll find fascinating. Who lives in Fairbanks? What type of person? That's not a normal place to live. And the, the people of Fairbanks told me this— I, I didn't personally observe this— by and large, they're not a very sociable group. They're fine, they're considerate, they're— they have good values in many cases. But they're very happy to be alone in their house. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah, well, they've had— I mean, they've had to be.

Well, apparently so.

I am fascinated. It's so funny. I think that's the word I use the most, and I'm trying to work on it. Fascinated or interested. But it really is true. There's, there's so much that I'm fascinated by. But I'm sorry, I know sometimes it's overkill, but I am. Intrigued by the way that your, your environment— and I don't mean your, your, the way you were parented, though certainly I'm interested in that as well. I literally mean your climate. Yes. And I— there's a great book which people should read. I'm trying to get this guy on my show. His name is Tim Marshall, and he wrote The Power of Geography, and he profiles 10 countries, or maybe 15, but I think 10, and he explains how their geography has shaped their politics, their culture. Oh, I would love that. Interesting.

Have you read it? Of course. So give me an example. Okay.

Well, well, I can give you two. So he, he talks in the first chapter, he talks about Australia. And obviously Australia is an isolated, isolated place. And he sort of talks about how Australians are a bit more chill than most other people. And it's because they're very much like, like they're literally on an island. And it's because they're very much removed from the fray. And also they kind of feel that there's a buffer between them and a lot of other countries. So they're not as in danger, if you will, of having an invasion. That's just, that's a kind of small example as far as the other things he talks about. I truthfully don't remember all of that in the chapter, but if I went back to my notes, I could pull it up. But he also, oh, I'll give you one. He talked about in Iran, I didn't realize this, but Iran is very mountainous on the borders actually. There are many good reasons to buy gold and silver. Bank failures, digital currency volatility, emerging market countries trying to topple the dollar as a global reserve Julie Hartman here for AMFED Coin and Bullion, Dennis Prager's choice for buying precious metals. If you ask AMFED owner Nick Grovich to simplify the case for precious metals, he'll tell you that when President Roosevelt recalled the gold in circulation and paid people with paper money, they received a $20 bill for a $20 gold piece. Today, that $20 bill won't even fill half of your gas tank. but the gold piece is worth about $2,000. Which would you rather own? Now let's simplify the reasons to use AmFed Coin and Bullion. Nick has been in the industry for over 42 years, and he's proud of providing transparency and fair pricing to build trusted relationships. If you're interested in buying or selling, call Nick and his team at AmFed Coin and Bullion, 1-800-221-7694, americanfederal.com, AmericanFederal.com. And so he said that's facilitated two things. Number one, it's made it more difficult for Iran to be invaded. And a lot of the times its enemies have encountered a lot of difficulty having to traverse the mountains. And he said, second, it allows these different ethnic and even religious minorities to have kind of their own enclaves. For instance, the Kurds. In Iran live kind of in their own— thanks to mountains. Thanks to mountains. Yes. Live in their own kind of protected enclave. Read the book. It's, it's pretty cool. But even, I mean, look at the United States. We have benefited hugely from our geography. That's right. Having the buffer of the two oceans. I mean, that's part of— and I believe more than anyone—

look at Britain. Britain is completely shaped by the fact that it's not part of Europe.

Yes, physically, absolutely. And I am very much a conservative individualist. You charter your own destiny. It's not what you ate for lunch. It's not who your parents were. It's not this. You are the, you know, you're in charge of your fate. But, but it is true that geography can, can really help or hurt. I'll give you another example that Astrid, your dear, our dear Danish friend, told me. She said, because there's this huge influx of Muslim migrants going to Europe and even all the way up to Denmark. And the stats on that are incredible. Like just the, A, the amount of migrants and B, the views that many of these individuals have wanting to bring Sharia law. Of course, not all of them, but you get my point. But you know what Astrid said to me? So brilliant. She said, you Americans are so lucky with your geography because as bad as your immigration problem is, The majority of immigrants are coming from Latin America, Central America. That's Christian countries where they're closer to your values. That's right. The immigrants by geography that we're getting are from the Middle East that have totally different values than our culture.

Yeah. So. Oh yeah, I've thought about that a lot.

So I have a little bit of a topic, but we can, if you have more observations, I very much welcome.

I, I don't. I only have more emotions. I can't— I'll just end it by saying I have— I had no anticipation of the intensity of my reaction and how positive it was to the cold and the snow. I, I, I thought I would visit it sort of like you go to a zoo Yeah, you don't want to be an antelope as a result of going to the zoo. But I really was moved by life there.

Well, that's also, you know, you, you're such a traveler. As you just said, you've been to 20 countries alone in the continent of Africa. How many have you been to in total, by the way? Like 130. That is bleeping unbelievable. I agree. But I, like you, am obsessed with traveling. I love it. I want to see the world before I leave the world. But you know something I've realized? It is becoming more of a priority for me to see my own country before I see other countries, or at the very least, prioritize seeing my own country as much as seeing others. I think people, especially Americans, overlook that. Like, I want to go to every state. You could.

I want to go to Nebraska. So here's a question, right? Just a fun question. Yeah. What do you think my 50th state to visit was? Oh, Hawaii. Totally logical. No, it's—

oh, wait, it's somewhere near us. I feel like it's somewhere like you wouldn't expect.

So Sean guessed it. What did he say? But he didn't guess it. He's heard me say it on the air. What is that correct, Sean? You've heard me say it.

What did he say? Sean is unique. He is unique. Don't give him too much credit, though.

Unique or unique? He— so he did hear me say it. And then I said, did you hear me say it? And he goes, is there something wrong with that?

Okay, so what is it?

North Dakota. So the interesting thing— so Sue was with me, actually my two spouses. So Sue and Alan.

Oh my God. They were.

Yes, right. So they were both with me and we were driving. I was— I'd been to 49 states, by the way. I've spoken in 48. I have not spoken in the two Dakotas. It's pretty damn cool. It is. I've spoken in four. It's damn cool. You got— you're, you're moving. Anyway, when I got to North Dakota, so I have, I have pictures of me in front of many, many welcome to whatever state it is. I get out of the car.

Really? I love that.

I didn't know that about you. You should do that. Yeah, it's a fun thing to have. So welcome to North Dakota. I get out. You probably don't know this, but Pope John Paul II is a major pope, and he was the most traveling pope in the history of the papacy.

I read a biography on him.

Oh, he's an amazing— really? I met him.

Oh, yeah, that's the one in your office. Yeah.

With Joseph Telushkin. Right. So Anyway, he would arrive at any country and then at the airport he would kiss the ground, which is a sweet thing. I, I, I want to kiss your country, basically. Sweet. So I did that in front of the North Dakota sign. My 50th state, I'm kissing the ground. Yeah.

Well, you know, I, I have, I have so many topics, but You just inspired something I've been wanting to, to ask you about. So I was saying that I am just as motivated to see my own country as I am to see other countries. And look, obviously no offense to people living in Nebraska, but going to Italy or going to, you know, France is a bit more exciting, understandably, than going to Nebraska.

The people of Nebraska would agree.

Right. Yes, it's just true. So, but I love my country and I want to understand it. You know, I want to be Alexis de Tocqueville, but in the 21st century. And I want to go around and write all these observations and meet people. By the way, Democracy in America, the de Tocqueville book, is so good and so relevant. Everything he observes, like, it's like he's in the country today. Anyway. Actually, a big reason why I am redoubled in my motivation to see this country before or alongside seeing others is because of the way that I have seen a lot of secular left-wing Jews react to the October 7th massacre in Israel. Allow me to elaborate. I have noticed that a lot of such individuals have woken up to the craziness in our own country, the absurd wokeness, anti-Americanism and anti-Westernism because of what happened on October 7th and seeing that Jews don't count as oppressors or excuse me, don't count as oppressed. They're viewed as oppressors that, you know, the left talks all about protecting women and MeToo and no sexual violence. But then when Israeli women are raped, they deny it and overlook it. And so for a lot of secular left-wing Jews, I've seen them kind of have this moment. And I notice, and obviously I'm speaking from my own anecdotal experience with such individuals, I'm not saying this is true of every single secular left-wing Jew, but they're very obsessed with what's going on in Israel right now. Understandably, understandably, there's a war, there's threats to the— I totally understand that. But I will also say, I can't help but wonder Why don't you care about your own country and what's going on here as much as you're caring about Israel? I don't begrudge that you're caring about Israel. What I don't like is that we are encountering, thankfully, a different immediacy of threat, but nevertheless very pressing issue in this country with the undermining of our freedoms, the crazy— I mean, there's actually—

so I want to say first, criticism of Jews is not the same as antisemitism. Of course not.

Yes. And criticism of Israel is not the same thing.

If it is, then the Torah is antisemitic because the Torah is very critical of Jews and so are the prophets. Okay. And by the way, the irony is it's a credit to Jews that they canonized their critics. Yeah. No other religion did that. Right. Canonized means made a Bible of the critics of their own people. Yeah. The prophets and God himself and Moses. Okay. So the left-wing Jew has never prioritized Israel and is probably not now.

Oh, you would be surprised. Liberal. Liberal. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. I should have said liberal.

Left-wing Jews can't stand Israel. I just— but do they hate Netanyahu as much as they hate Trump?

Do you take my point? And please, obviously cut in and challenge me if you don't. But I do see a lot of liberal Jews in this country who are paying far more attention to Israel and are more obsessed and invested in Israel than— I'm sorry, they are in their own country. And I want them—

right.

So I want them to be as invested in America as they are in Israel.

So they would probably say we are, but America is not threatened with destruction. Israel is. Understood. So it's sort of like the patient with a bad flu. This would be perhaps their answer. The patient with a bad flu doesn't need my attention as much as the patient who might have terminal cancer. So, but, but the way I would phrase your question is, and I wrote a column on this already. Mm-hmm. So to my dear fellow American Jews left of me, to the left of me, are you putting two and two together? Are you not realizing that the American-hating left is also an Israel-hating left? That's what I would like to have American Jews, liberal/left, whatever, to meditate on. These are really bad people, and their hatred of America and their tearing down every one of our institutions should have been an indication that they're not a good crowd. What they have done to the universities, what they've done to high schools and elementary schools, what they've done to teaching, what they've done to medicine, The AMA is a corrupt organization. The FDA is a corrupt organization. The CDC is, the NIH is right. The arts have been horribly affected. Race relations have been unbelievably badly affected by the left. Hugely. So that was not a wake-up call. The fact that they are okay with people who wish to exterminate Jews, that is what you needed to wake up.

That's the way I would put it. No, no. Yes. And, and No, no, yes. What bothers me is that, again, not speaking for all liberal Jews, I'm just saying from my own observations, because I know a lot of liberal Jews being from Los Angeles, schools I went to, etc. I think that they see, thank God, what a threat the left is to Israel. I think that many of them, speaking in broad strokes, tend to brush off or minimize the threat that left is to America. Bravo. 100%. Really, really, really, really. Did I say really? Don't like. And I resent that hugely. A, because it's stupid, because it's all part of, you know, a greater cabal of peddling evil. But B, it's like, this is your own. This is your country. I'm sorry, but Israel is not your country. And I understand that Jews, for Jews, Israel is very important.

I know. I don't go there totally with you. That's not— that's their flaw is not that they care about Israel more than America. They don't. But they do know, again, back to the issue, Israel, the threat to Israel's existence, the ability to make Israel into a Nazi camp is real. It is that so that they perceive. Okay. They don't. Their Their issue is not that they care about Israel more than America. It's that they don't perceive the threat of the left to America like they perceive the threat of the left to Israel. Yeah, that's the issue. It's not a matter of caring about America less. If they cared about America less, they wouldn't live here.

Right. And I understand. I mean, look, you know, I am the biggest advocate of the state of Israel and its right to exist, its right to defend itself.

I am very well aware.

Dinner every week. Yes. And I am very well aware of what a dire moment we're in right now as far as the threat of extermination of the state of Israel. I am totally understanding of that. But again, many of these liberal Jews who I know, they've been to Israel one time and I know how important, but it's like, this is, you are American. And it doesn't mean that you, I want you to care about America.

No, what you want, okay, I have to restate the way— I mean, and you could reject it, obviously. It's the way I stated it, but now I'm kind of adding to it. I don't agree with the way you're stating it. Okay. It is not that they care about Israel more than America. It's that they perceive the threat of the left to Israel more than they perceive the threat to America.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. I think a lot of them care more about Israel than they do about America. Yeah, okay. I have to disagree with you. And you know what? Care about Israel, but care about America too.

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Totally. They are.

But that doesn't mean they care about Israel more. An American Jew can become an Israeli citizen tomorrow if they move to Israel. They have chosen to live their lives and raise their children in America. I mean, the Jews developed Superman. Superman was a super patriot. Jews developed much of Hollywood. The early movies of Hollywood in the '30s and '40s were super gung-ho patriotic. Right. It's the Jews drifting to the left that, that has been the catastrophe of both Jewish life and partially of American life. But it's not that they care about Israel. As I said, they hate Netanyahu as much as they hate Trump.

Right. Okay.

They're— but, but they are. And in this sense, they're right. There is no— the irony is there is an existential threat to America. It's from the left. So I go back to my third time, I guess. I hope those listening will forgive me. They are— they do not perceive the left-wing threat to America the way they perceive the left-wing threat to Israel.

Yep. I mean, I agree. I don't understand. I'll say this, this final thing, and then we can move on. But I don't understand how many of these individuals didn't see this coming. And I'm very thankful that there are many are awake or sort of awake now. But I have to say, it reminded me a bit of the— I don't think it was Bonhoeffer, but it was another German pastor who had that great quote. Müller. Thank you. That said, you know, they came for the communists. I wasn't a communist. They came for the you know, so I didn't speak up. Whatever. So I didn't speak up. They came for the Jews. I wasn't a Jew, so I didn't speak up. They came for the disabled, and then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up. I have to say, and perhaps this is a bit heavy-handed, but I couldn't help but think of that, you know. You're right. Because it's like, you know, so, so wait a minute, so you were fine with when— Right.

Oh, I, I don't excuse it at all. It's disgusting.

You were fine with the— with people dividing, you know, oppressor versus oppressed before it affects you. You were fine with Black Lives Matter ruining the lives of Black people and saying, you know, saying that certain violence is okay and looting is okay because it's taking back what's theirs. That's the same argument that they're using right now with Israel. They're saying Hamas is justified in their raping and beheading of Israelis because they're taking back what's theirs. So you were fine with it when it was Black Lives Matter, but now they're coming for you and they're coming for Israel, and now you're speaking up. I'm sorry, but it makes me upset because— because it has brought us here. It has brought us here. And it is— it's not— it's not fair to overlook all of those other instances of moral egregiousness because it didn't affect you. And now it does affect you. And how do you like it? Sorry. Just makes me upset.

One of the things that I really dislike in life is a naive adult. If you're 6 and you're naive, I'm still not happy, but I could live with it. But if you're 60, you're an idiot. You have desired to be an ignoramus. Ignoramus and naive are almost synonymous. Means you're ignorant of real life because you've chosen to be. If you were naive about communism when Stalin and the rest of the gang were in power, or Lenin even, that you chose to be.

Yes, absolutely. People willfully blindfold themselves. Yes. They don't want to know. They don't want to deal with it. And they'd rather live in their world. What percentage—

listen, this is hardly a uniquely Jewish issue, but what percentage of Western Jews were gung-ho about bringing in millions of people from the Middle East? But now that these people from the Middle East in large numbers hate Jews, which is what I said, hello, do you know that they bring their values with them? Do you know that they hate Jews in the Middle East? Are you stupid? Right.

And yes, we get it. By the way, Alan, Alan and his bedtime stories, which, by the way, people are probably going, what is that?

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Yeah. It's the name of the email that Alan sends before every night before Dennis's show with certain news stories. And he sent one. I'm sure you talked about it on the air, or maybe you didn't. But you will, where this French journal did a survey of Muslims living in France, Muslim immigrants. Yeah. And it's like the stat, you know, many, many percentages are saying they want Sharia law over French law, that they want the destruction of Israel. I mean, this is— I just wanted to substantiate your point because people are going to go, oh, you're exaggerating. I want them to Well, that's what they do. They gaslight.

Sweden virtually had no rapes until Muslim immigrants came, to which the left will say that's Islamophobia. And you know why they will say it? Because the left never asks, is it true? They never ask about a statement that they don't like to hear. Right. Is it true? Because I swear before God, I believe this. Truth is not a left-wing value. That is not an attack. It is a fact, like the Earth is round and revolves around the sun. Totally.

I mean, look at— look at the men and women thing. Correct.

But I want people to understand how they avoid it. They have— they— what I just said, the question is not, is it Islamophobic? The question is, is it true? Are Muslims, Muslim immigrants and their children, the primary culprits in rape in Sweden? Yes. So it's either true or not true. It's not Islamophobic or it's not Islamophobic. It's either true or not true.

Right. Mm-hmm. Do we have time for a quick other thing I had in mind? I have no sense of—

A quick other thing. Take QOT. We have 5 minutes.

We have 5 minutes? Yeah.

Oh, do it anyway.

You know, I just want to say quickly, and we'll move on from it, but I want people to understand that I am well aware of why so many liberal Jews are very obsessed with and upset about Israel and why they're caring about it a lot. I don't want any of what I said to be construed as my not understanding that. My point is, please consider and give the same energy to the country that you live in, America, and the threat that the left poses to our country, which is facilitating the grave threat that the left poses to Israel. Peace and love. Yes.

The only thing I would modify is please, I would just reverse the sentence. Please be aware that the same left that supports the destruction, annihilation, and Holocaust in Israel is the same left that is destroying America. Right. That's the way I would put it.

Okay. I have a question for you. And I love how we're saying we'll move on, we'll move on. But I have— I do have another question for you on this. How do you feel about liberal Jews who will have an Israel flag bumper sticker on their car or put an Israel— Israeli flag in front of their house, but they won't have an American flag? On their bumper sticker in front of their house or on their computer?

Yes, they should.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

Okay. That's fair. I—

And I get Israel is under risk of destruction right now.

And remember, the most pro-Israel Jews tend to be the most pro-American Jews. They're the Jews who vote conservative, think conservative, I went to an Orthodox Jewish school. All the teachers were either Israeli or from Eastern Europe. We said the Pledge of Allegiance every day in front of an American flag, obviously. We had a George Washington play every year for Washington's birthday.

Oh, really? Yes. Oh, that's so sweet. It's very endearing.

So they generally go together, right?

And, and I wish people understood, if you support America and, and there's a strong America, there will be a strong Israel. You're right. People are— that is what you— you should be so gung-ho trying to protect your own country if you care so much, as you should, about the, the annihilation that Israel is facing. We, anyway, I feel like I've beaten it to death, but fair enough. I appreciate your, your listening. Okay, so quickly, this may be another Dennis and Julie onto its own, but I had this realization and I, and I think you'll, you'll like it. You know, we're, we're so close and I'm, I'm so grateful that we are. And you and I have talked about the very tragic day when you will die. And it's not something we talk about often.

Or Julie, we have 5 minutes to go. I know she brings up my death. I know.

I was like, that'll take it.

That'll take 3 minutes. So go on.

And, you know, we like, and we say that there will be a large part of my life for which you will not be present. God willing, if I live a long life, you know, several decades. And it made me think, you won't know me when I'm old, but I didn't know you, no offense, when you were young. And it's sort of like, but, but you, we know each other now. And I feel like even when I'm old, you, you still will know me because I think I'll be the same person. Whereas I feel like I knew you when you were young because you're the same person.

Would have been a younger face. Yeah, that's the only difference. Yeah, that's exactly correct.

But it just, it just made me wonder, would there be a difference? I'm glad you agree with me. I don't think so.

And I believe I will— I know you when you'll be 70. That's correct. You're right on both, on both scores.

Isn't that weird to think about?

Yeah, it's a very interesting—

you won't know me at that time in my life. Yes, I know. And I never, I never saw you in Right, you know, all those years. I mean, a lot of the people listening saw, saw you and listened to you before I was even a thought in my 30s. Yeah, well, my young 30s, that was relatively quick for having brought up your death.

Yeah, so just for the record, for those interested, the odds are— and it's all it is, is odds, but they're not— that's not insignificant. I'll live a long life. And healthy life because my parents did. 96, and my mother died at 89 only because she had type 2 diabetes, which I am taking care not to get. I don't need any sugar, for example. And, uh, we have no genetic markers. Father was— is totally intact. He was doing my tax returns. He was a CPA, certified public accountant. Until 90, he was still having clients come to his office. So hopefully I'll be around to see you marry and have kids.

Hopefully. Do you think most people are sort of the same through their whole lives?

That's a, that's a great question for a whole episode. Are— I wonder that. Are you who you will be when you're 10? It's— that's the question basically you're asking. Yeah, I think about that a lot. I am who I was, I would say, at 13. I don't remember me pre-13 very well, but maybe even then in 6th grade I lived in Brooklyn and I went to school in Manhattan, and I didn't live in the part of Brooklyn near Manhattan. I lived the part of Brooklyn by the Atlantic Ocean, so I was very far from Manhattan. So what was I, 11? Yeah, I was 11. Every day I traveled by train on my own, bus and train, on my bus to the train station Wow. And came back. I went to school 9 to 6 because it was half the day Hebrew and half the day in English, religious studies, secular studies. And I come back 7 o'clock at night, dark in the winter obviously, by train and by bus, getting home like 7:30. And I loved it. I loved— sometimes I took the train beyond my station, really, just to see what is— what are the other stations like and the people. Yes. So that was me. And I haven't changed. I still want to— I still want to go beyond my home station and see what other stations are like. That's a good question. Tell them how they contact us.

You can email me at julie@julie-hartman.com. We need to read listener emails. You have no, I've forwarded some to you, but you have no idea the quality.

Maybe you should devote a whole show.

Oh my God, and they're so varied from different, I mean, talk about different walks of life. And different parts of the world. It's so cool. So please email me. And by the way, if I don't respond, please forward it to me because it gets lost. So you're not rude if you do that. julie@julie-hartman.com. You can also follow me on Instagram and Twitter @julierhartman. You can follow Dennis on Twitter.

Dennis Prager, dennisprager.com.

No, but we gotta promote the socials.

Yeah, but I don't use it much. Don't admit that. Okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

@DennisPrager on Twitter, @TheDennisPrager on Instagram. Shalom. Bye.

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