Israel or the World

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Hey everybody, Dennis Prager and Julie Hartman. Dennis and Julie, welcome. Do you have any idea what number we are up to? We're well over 100, right?

Yes, yes, we hit 100. And we've hit 2 years of doing this show, so—

and we didn't miss, correct?

We've never missed a week. All my travels and ever-growing— my travels.

That's right, ever-growing your travels. I hope I got you speech in Fairbanks, Alaska, by the way. I told you I'm working on it. I didn't tell you?

No, I don't believe you did.

I'm working on it. I'm saying it.

That's very nice.

Well, I gotta tell you, this is a perfect example of the last thing I thought we'd talk about. I remember it as one of the great, I would say, 5 moments of my life. The first time some group flew me to give a speech.

This happened to me, uh, well, in Seattle.

Was it Seattle?

It was, it was in Northern Washington State, right, about a year ago. So fun. Really, really fun.

Mine was Louisville, Kentucky.

And I went to Oklahoma. It happened again. And I went to Washington, D.C. So it's happened a few times. But yeah, the first one was Washington.

Hold on one second. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I want to get this right. Was it Louisville? No, Nashville. It was Nashville, Tennessee. Sorry, Nashville. I was invited by a group. I was 20. 21 or 22 years old. And all I thought of, they didn't pay me a penny, they just, but they paid the airfare. I was, I, this kid from Brooklyn, which is how I still think of myself, this kid from Brooklyn is being brought to Nashville, Tennessee, which sounded so exotic to a New Yorker. By the way, to a New Yorker, everything is exotic because New York is— their belief is the center of the world. So everything else is exotic. And I just remember on the plane thinking, wow, I'm at 22 or whatever I was, I'm being flown.

I opined on a recent Dennis and Julie that as much as I want to see all of the world, If I could, I would see every single corner of the world. And I know you've seen maybe not every corner, but 80% of every corner. But I opine that I also want to see my own country.

Oh, definitely. You know, I've been to all 50 states, as I told you.

Which is really cool. And people look, you know, obviously going to Rome or something or going to Florence is very—

It's a very worthy ideal.

But I really want to see my country. Because when I traveled to, Washington State, it was my first time. When I traveled to Oklahoma, it was my first time. And I learned a lot, like when I was in Oklahoma, about the people, about the way that people live. When I was in Washington State, I learned about all the different tribal areas, Native American areas. Like when would an LA kid see that, you know? And then in Oklahoma, you'll love this. One day, there was a few hours until my speech. I thought, what am I gonna do? I was alone, you know, in Oklahoma for the next like 5 hours. And in Oklahoma City, they had these scooters just lying around.

Oh, perfect.

By the way, Oklahoma City is so clean. It's like—

I'm not surprised—

beautifully clean. Like, I barely saw any homeless people. Like, it was really cool. So I got on a scooter and I just zipped around, and guess what I happened upon? The Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial. And I looked at all of— and that, it was so— I actually think that everyone should go see the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial sometime in their, in their lives if they can. Have you been?

No.

It's the, the memorial looks a lot like 9/11. Obviously, the Oklahoma City Bombing predated 9/11. But like, it looks— I meant the 9/11 Memorial. And the way that, you know, the Twin Towers, they have that steel in the fountain going in. There's that same steel. They have chairs of all of the people who died on grass. It's a very stirring thing. And sorry, I know I'm going on and on about this, but I'll say one thing. I remember there was this huge tribute wall at the Oklahoma City Bombing Memorial, and I walked up to it and I just read some of it. And I could cry talking about it right now. There was a letter that they, that someone posted on the, on the wall. And it was a letter to this person's mom who died in the, in the bombing. And the person, you know, wrote, dear mom, I'm, I miss you every day. You know, you, you would be so proud of me. And I, I just had my second baby. She reminds me so much of you. And, you know, they put the photos up and What was that, like 1994, 1995, that Oklahoma City bombing? And I know this is a colossally obvious thing to say, but you just really get a sense of all those years later, that trauma for those families is just as raw as it was.

Well, that's why I'm for capital punishment.

Yeah.

I think that opponents of capital punishment in general are always exceptions. Are not as aware of the heinousness of murder as I am.

Well, there are two things that I have to give you credit for alerting me to with regard to the capital punishment and murder issue. These are the two most compelling arguments that you've given for capital punishment. The first is in one of your books that I read, I can't remember which one, but you You quoted a caller who called into your show and said that her son or husband or some family member was murdered. And apparently the caller said, I support capital punishment because why did my son get the death penalty but the murderer didn't?

Yep, that's right.

That is so— it's absolutely right. The victim got the death penalty, the murderer gets to live?

Well, no, no. When I talk to people who are against capital punishment, all I want them to say, and then I have intellectual respect for them even though I continue to differ with them, do you acknowledge how unjust it is that if I take your life deliberately, I get to keep my own? Do you at least acknowledge that is unjust? If you do, then I know you think clearly. It's like I ask atheists when I debate them, the first question: do you hope you're right or do you hope you're wrong? If they hope they're right, then they haven't thought the issue through.

That's exactly what it is. It doesn't mean they're a bad person, but they haven't thought it through.

And the capital punishment one is, do you acknowledge It's a cosmic injustice that the murderer gets to live and the victim is dead. I mean, okay, you may say, well, we can make a mistake and, you know, it's not for us to take a life. All your arguments, which all of them are, to my mind, answerable, but at least I can then respect their arguments. But if they think it's like I would ask someone, do you at least acknowledge it is unjust for a male who says he's a female to compete with women in women's sports?

Right.

If you at least acknowledge that, then we could move on with the discussion. But if you can't see that, we have no dialogue. If you think it is just that the person who wanted, wanted that, that human rubbish kill 165 people, 168 people, and he doesn't get put to death. And that's fair. Okay, don't start me.

Well, I was going to say welcome to Dennis and Julie. We're 5 minutes in. We had no idea we were going to discuss this and we're on capital punishment. But I'll tell you the second argument that you highlighted. That made a huge impression on me. And then I have an interesting question for you on that. The second argument is from the Cain and Abel story. And this is why— shameless plug, he never asked me to do this. I do this so willingly because I believe this book is life-changing. Shameless plug for The Rational Bible. It is so unbelievably life-changing. And here's one example. In the Cain and Abel story, you translate the Hebrew to, to, to highlight that, that it says that, um, Cain killed the bloods of Abel, right?

It literally is, the bloods of, uh, of your brother are crying out to me. It's almost never translated accurately. It always says, it always says the blood, but in Hebrew it's— and the The word is almost never used, bloods, like it isn't in English, but it is there.

This is why it's so life-changing, not only because of the way that you explain things, but because you have such an impressive knowledge of Hebrew that you're able to make distinctions like that. And that makes all the difference in the story because thanks to your understanding of the Hebrew, I had this— and you highlight it— this profound revelation. When you're, when you're killing someone, you don't just take one life. You take all of the descendants that would have come after that.

And you don't just ruin one life.

Well, exactly.

Well, certainly that's why you mentioned the suffering ongoing from Oklahoma City to this day.

So I have a question for you apropos of this Bloods point. And I, I support capital punishment. Is it unfair to kill a murderer because of the Bloods that would come after them? The bloods that they— the, the children that they could potentially reproduce.

I understand.

Or for their children, you know, their children, even though obviously if their father or mother is a murderer, they have been given terrible luck. But to— for the, for the children's sake. And right, so the bloods argument in that category, the—

I, off the top of my head, a good answer would be it is not our fault that the progeny would not be reproduced. It's his fault, the murderers, right?

But we have the power to control.

Yeah, well, we— so the same thing with the bombing of Hiroshima.

Yeah, talk about bloods.

Yes, well, not just being, you know, wiped out. We had the power whether or not to kill those innocents, but it We're not responsible. The Japanese government is responsible for the Japanese dead and the German government for the German dead and Hamas for the Palestinian dead. But that we live in such a morally obtuse age compared to the past. In the past, the citizens of the free countries knew It's Hitler's fault that Germans are being killed. It's, it's the Japanese emperor's fault and Tojo's fault that the Japanese are being killed. It's not the Allies' fault, but all of a sudden it's Israel's fault.

Well, as I say, with— and that's absolutely true, but on this Israel point, I made an observation recently on my show about the general kind of outrage that is funneled at certain world events. And I may have brought this up on Dennis and Julie, so I won't spend too much time on it, but it's a really important point. And it's that here we have Haiti, which has descended into barbaric gang violence, by many reports cannibalism. Haitians are lining up in droves for a lottery visa to come to the United States. We have China massacring Uyghur Muslims. We perhaps not now, but certainly in the recent past, have Hutus and Tutsis massacring each other and sectarian violence in the Middle East between Sunnis and Shias.

Hutus massacring Tutsis.

Right. Right. Thank you. Thank you for that distinction.

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Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. I mean, the list goes on and on, right? In West Africa, Christians are being killed and murdered by Muslim terrorists.

By Muslim terrorists.

That's right. You know, the genital mutilation. I mean, Ayaan Hirsi Ali talks about this from her own experience. You know, I mean, just the evil that is done all around the world. And yet, speaking in broad strokes, what does the media care about? What do woke people care about? What are woke people protesting at the San Francisco airport? And what did someone who self-immolated— and that was horrifically sad— in front of the Israeli embassy, what are they focusing on? Israel. And by the way, we can have a big discussion about this. Obviously, I'm not saying people shouldn't be focusing on what's happening in Israel. There's a war. Innocents are dying. It's very important to focus on. But it's just, it's just revelatory to me that given all the evil in the world, that's where the major attention is. And the answer for why that is, is because they know it can be spun to their political benefit. They only care I'm talking about these crazy woke people, when they can point and go, white country, and I'm putting in quotation marks white because obviously Israel is half non-white, but they only care when they can go, look, white oppressing non-white. They don't care when it's non-white killing or oppressing non-white. By the way, we see that here in the United States with crime. 98% of all black homicide victims are killed by other blacks, but no one gives a damn when it's a Black killing a Black in the inner street. They give a damn when it's a white killing a Black because they want to, you know, froth up the political narrative. That is, that is morally sick to me. Black lives matter. All lives matter regardless of who is oppressing or killing them. We should give equal attention to, to all suffering.

Well, I couldn't say it better. The The isolation of Israel, or as Chuck Schumer put it in his awful speech— well, there were a lot of good parts of the speech, but the punchline was awful, and that is, Israel, vote out your prime minister. Did an American leader ever tell a democracy, uh, anyone in that high a position, the Senate Majority Leader, We want you to get rid of your democratically elected leader. Okay, so here's the answer. Israel is the pariah state of the world, just like Chuck Schumer said. So you have— you, every— meaning everyone has a choice. Either the world is evil or Israel is evil. It's got to be one or the other. If the world is right, Israel deserves to be the pariah state of planet Earth. By the way, do you know that Israel has been condemned in the United Nations more often than any other country in the United Nations? More often than communist China, more often than Russia, more often than this. It is totally my whole life. And now they come out and announce it. Looks like genocide. It's a total lie. It's a gigantic lie. It's a lot of people doesn't equal genocide. There are 5 times as many Palestinians now as there were when Israel was formed. Is that genocide? I mean, all they've done is, and I use the word deliberately, raped the word genocide. That is what the left has done. And the United Nations has been woke since before the word was invented. I wish the UN left the United States. I wish the UN were situated in an Arab country. That would be, or a Muslim country, that would be terrific. You know, they run the UN anyway. 52 Muslim states, they tell the General Assembly how to vote. 'Cause that bloc, there's no comparable bloc. So let them move there, that's all. You know, we're moving to Syria. We're moving to Iraq. Great. I would help pay the moving funds. So who is— so really, one's the villain, Israel or the world? And by the way, it's not the world. Vast numbers of individuals know that Israel is in the right. Vast numbers. That's why I don't know who said it, but I can't take credit for it. And you know, I'm a big one on giving credit for something.

Because the Talmud says that you bring righteousness to the world when you cite a source.

That's right. Redemption, to be Redemption. That doesn't matter. You're right. And, uh, in this regard, someone said it's not the United Nations, it's the United Governments. It's a very, very important distinction. That's what's— that's what is in the U— the UN, United Governments.

See, the thing about the UN is There is some benefit, keyword some, to having countries fight, like having a forum where people can just fight with each other, honestly. I think that to an extent that's helpful, but the United Nations is so morally confused. And so, as you said, was woke before the term was even invented. I mean, recently, obviously, there was that ceasefire vote. I mean, The whole thing, in addition to being morally reprehensible, was just intellectually stupid. This is what I often say when you and I are on my show, profile woke absurdities, woke arguments that people make. We were talking on Dennis and Julie about that NFL coach who said, if you don't see race then you're—

Oh yeah, you're the racist.

You're racist.

That's the definition of racist.

And with those statements, like, I just look at them and go, in addition to being wrong, they're literally just intellectually stupid. So let's look at this United Nations vote recently, at the time of this filming, it was recent, where, and the United States abstained, which we should talk about, where they had basically two provisions. One is an immediate ceasefire, and then another one is like, oh, by the way, we want the hostages to be released.

Right, but they were not conjoined.

But it was not condition, the ceasefire, a condition of the ceasefire was not that If there is a ceasefire, the hostages need to be released. Yes, it is. It's just amazing to me how, how, again, it's just like it's so stupid in addition to being wrong.

So do you know, I don't know if I hope I didn't mention this on Dennis and Julie. I mean, it's worth, it's worth mentioning again, but I hope I didn't mention it.

I can tell you if you did.

I know. What the— in the Book of Numbers in the Bible, the pagan prophet Balaam, he— what he said about Israel?

No.

Oh, good. See, this is, this is why I see these things in religious terms, because they are. The isolation of Israel is 100% related to the fact that it's Jewish. 100%. Muslims commit the greatest atrocities on the face of the earth in terms of any religion. Christians and Jews don't come close, and you hear nothing about Islam. Israel is defending itself against people who wish to murder and rape every Israeli they can, and Israel is the contemptible nation on the planet. This— so there's a great story, it's going to come out in my Numbers book The story basically is there's a king named Balak, B-A-L-A-K, and he hires this prophet Balaam, B-A-L-A-A-M in Hebrew, Balaam in English. And he says to him, I want you to curse Israel. That was his big thing. Well, I'll pay you a fortune. I'll give you all that you want. I'll make you the richest man in my kingdom, but I want you to curse Israel. And Balaam doesn't, because he actually seems to believe in the one God. But he does utter statements about Israel, and one of them is one of the most famous statements about the Jewish people in the Bible. Again, I have to always do this from the Hebrew, so And so this people, this is a people that will dwell alone and not be counted among the nations of the earth. That was, that was about 3,000 years ago. Nothing has changed. It is a people that dwells alone. The aloneness of the Jew during the Holocaust, as one writer once put it, the world was divided between countries that murder Jews and countries that wouldn't allow them in. And that's, that's exactly what happened. And again, the alone, lonely aloneness of the Jew, and you are now seeing it again. Israel is described by various experts on warfare as the most moral army that has ever existed. The most recent person to say that is the head of the Urban Warfare Institute at West Point. Not a Jewish guy, a major American guy. He did two tours in Iraq. He's very high up in the army and he teaches as the head of this institute. He said there's no army as moral as Israel. The head of British forces in Afghanistan, a non-Jew, a non-American, and loyal to his own country, but says Israel is the most moral army that has ever existed. And that's the most hated army in the world today. The most hated. Is China hated? Look at China has just squashed Hong Kong. It's taken it and made it into silly putty.

Look at what they're doing to Uyghur Muslims. Look at what they do to their own citizens.

It means nothing.

Look at what they're doing to the United States with fentanyl. Means nothing.

That's right. It means nothing. Or Mao killed 60 million of his people and he was honored at the U.N. They gave him a seat on the Security Council. It was, it was Taiwan that was on the Security Council till, till then.

My understanding was that by our, the United States, recognizing the Communist Party, right, as the legitimate government of China and not the KMT, the Nationalist Chiang Kai-shek Party. My understanding is that, and I could be totally wrong, please correct me if I am, that, that it was a result of that decision that it was the Chinese Communist Party, which had the U.N. seat.

I believe that that's true.

I'm not— I— that's my understanding.

I don't know. I don't know if you could prove it, but it seems almost inevitable.

I, like many people, worry very much for Israel's future. And from the beginning of this, this conflict, I have asked What is the long-term plan here? How is this going to work out long-term for Israel? And look, so often we discussed recently on Dennis and Julie that people succumb to binaries, that you're either totally 100%, you know, supportive of every single thing Israel does, or you're totally 100% supportive of everything that opposes Israel. And you're in those two camps. Obviously, I'm far more in the camp of the former camp in that I, you know how fond I am of my trip to Israel. You know how much I understand the need for a Jewish state. I am reviled by what happened on October 7th. Israel has a right to defend itself. Hamas must be eliminated. But how is this going to eliminate Hamas? Even if they get this invasion of Gaza, even if they get rid of every single member of Hamas, the, the Palestinian, the, the, the population is so radicalized and crucially, so much of the world is anti-Israel and has been further radicalized against Israel. For instance, I wrote a piece shortly after October 7th in The American Mind about Turkey. And Turkey under President Erdogan has definitely been shifting away from the West. Turkey is a member of NATO. It's like a de facto member of the European Union. Under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the the first president of Turkey 100 years ago. By the way, I did a Timeless episode of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. He's so interesting. Like, he got rid of the, the fez and the, and the hijab. He was a big Westerner.

He secularized Turkey.

He made the Turkish alphabet look like English.

Right.

But anyway, Erdoğan definitely had already been pivoting more towards—

You know what Atatürk means?

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Folks, look at me. I'm impressed. Well, Julie works so hard to fill her knowledge base. It's, it's truly impressive.

Well, that's very kind of you to say. Thank you. But honest to God, I love it. Endlessly interesting.

It's endless.

And I view it as my life vocation to consume and put it out there because I know.

Right. It's a great vocation because people don't have time.

I'm—

I'm— by the way, so Erdogan is undoing the Ataturk Revolution.

Yes. And Erdogan, I mean, after October 7th, I wrote about this, the Turkish parliament, all these Palestinian flags chanting free Palestine. I mean, Turkey has been made very anti-Israel as a result of this invasion of Gaza. And I just, I ask this question, and this is not to say to give me any kind of credit at all, but I don't see a lot of people asking this question. What's the long-term plan for Israel? How is this going to work out for them?

Okay. Nobody knows the answer, but I know what they wanted. They want to get rid of Hamas and they're right. They want to get rid of the tunnels. What if even I answered you that? They want to demolish, there are 500 miles of tunnels. They have spent over $1 billion on tunnels. When Douglas Murray stands in Gaza at the Mediterranean Sea and says this place could have been Singapore, that is literally accurate. All the money they get from America and the UN they spend on tunnels. It is the most extensive tunnel system in the history of Earth. It is many feet down, almost impregnable by bombs. That is the reason for Israel bombing to get to the tunnels. But they put the tunnels under schools and hospitals and mosques. That's the— that every dead Palestinian is a victory for Hamas.

Absolutely. Period. There's no but. You're 100%.

So here is the answer. Israel should say this. And if we had a government that stood up for what is right, it would say it. Hamas, there will be no bombing. It will be a permanent ceasefire if you surrender and give up the hostages. Israel has said that, but most people don't know that. You know, I'll be engaging in this big debate apparently in Washington, D.C. in a couple of weeks. And, you know, I'll be very curious to know what my opponents— it's 2 against 2, Zeb Gorka and I, and against 2 people— what will they say to that? Do they know that? Does the average, you know, Harvard student know that if Hamas simply gives up?

They don't know that.

That it's the end of the war?

They don't know that. No, I'm 100% with you. And it is such a problem because if you call yourself pro-Palestinian, you should hate Hamas with more fervor than you hate anything on earth. I mean, they are not only genocidal to Israel.

Pro-Palestinian today means what pro-German meant in 1943. Pro-Hitler.

But I'm with you on all of this. Hamas is calling them despicable is an insult to the word despicable for what they do to Israel and what they do to Palestinians. I just ask again and again, and I want to make something really clear. Just as you were talking about Senator Schumer, you know, telling them to call for new elections, Israel is its own country. Israel makes its decisions that it judges to be a democratic country. It's a democratic country. They know their situation better than anyone else. I'm not here, you know, instructing people what to do, not that they'd even listen to me. But I am asking a question of how does this, how does this work out long term? Because here's another thing. So Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a few months ago, and he's talked about this since, in The Wall Street Journal published an article, Three Plans for Peace. And obviously, you know, these calls for the two-state solution and to give it to the Palestinian Authority is absurd. We saw what happened when that happened. Okay. It's just, and again, in addition to being wrong, it's absurd. But he outlined these three points for peace. And, you know, one of, I don't want to directly quote him. I'm summarizing to the best of my memory, but he was essentially like, you know, control, have Israeli control of Gaza until we can de-radicalize the population and essentially make it a state that is not so genocidal towards Israel. But when I was reading that, I was just thinking, and he compared it to the crucial thing is he compared it to Germany and Japan and what happened in the aftermath of World War II with those populations being denazified and de-radicalized. But there's a huge difference. Huge. After World War II, Nazi Germany was destroyed. Obviously, Japan with the two atomic bombs was destroyed. Their allies turned on them and were done with the war. And the world population was not overwhelming.

The difference is in this case, the difference is they'll still have Iran. Is that what you're saying?

Totally. Not just Iran. They will have— they will have Turkey. They will have Iraq. They will have Afghanistan. They will have Saudi Arabia. They'll have half of the United States. They'll have half of, you know, your crazy woke people in European countries. They'll have China. They'll have Russia. They have most of the world on their side.

Yeah.

And the U.S. That's a big, big difference.

I agree. That's a very good point. Israel's in a terrible position.

They're in an impossible situation.

It has no choice. If Israel stops fighting, that means that, that, that Hezbollah— I was going to say they're interchangeable— that Hamas has won. That's, that's all it means. They got away with October 7th.

Well, you said to me, because we were talking about the, at the time of this filming, perhaps impending invasion of Rafah. And I said to you, you know, what do you, what do you think about that? And you said, if they don't do it, every life lost will have been in vain.

Yes.

And again, I have sympathy for that argument. I really do. But I don't think this is going to work out long term for Israel.

The course that they were allowed to do what they were— if they were allowed to do it, would—

do you really think— do you really?

And I— they— and they cannot say, oh, America is now the president and the Democratic Party are now against us. We're going to stop fighting, that ends Israel as its own entity. That is almost as big a defeat for Israel as not fighting Hamas. To accept the notion, yeah, if America says commit suicide, we're going to commit suicide. And Israelis feel this way. By the way, how many people know this? Do you know this? The vast majority of the money America gives Israel, Israel then spends on American weapons.

I didn't know that.

Yes. It's unbelievable to me how rarely it's reported. People should all check it out. The great majority of money— it's not money sent to Israel and Israel does what it wants. It then buys American weapons. It's essentially a funneling of money into our military companies. And by the way, I'm glad they're making the weapons. This is not an attack on those companies, whether or not there is a military-industrial complex. The fact is the world needs America's arms. And certainly Israel does. But Israel is going to fight. Israel is not going to accept suicide because Joe Biden is afraid of losing Michigan to Arab voters.

Of course, completely agree with you here. And, and what you just said and I repeated is so true. I mean, Israel is in an impossible situation.

Well, it's been rendered impossible by, by the cowardly and evil world.

Yes.

But nevertheless, here they stand in this impossible situation and they are prepared to go it alone. But as, as Balaam chapter— I don't remember what chapter. I think it's 25.

It's okay that you don't remember what chapter.

Thank you. Thank you.

The fact you even remember it by heart is in the Hebrew so impressive. But let's say Israel defeats Hamas. In the Gaza Strip. And let's say that they have a, and this is what they're saying they're probably going to do, have a military joint or total military occupation of Gaza and launch an effort to de-radicalize the population. Because the population, as we know from the whole UNRWA scandal, and as we knew even before October 7th, they are literally taught every single day to despise Jews, despise the West, to believe all of these crazy lies. But let's say that happens. Let's say there's a military occupation of Gaza and the population there is de-radicalized. Do you think that's a— do you think that's— that will work out long term for Israel?

So since you gave the analogy of Hitler's Germany, let's say, We denazified Germany. Nazism was more of a blip on the German radar than Hamas is a blip on the, on the Muslim Arab radar.

Yep.

Is— you understand exactly what I said? Was it— you think it's clear to everybody?

It was the point that I was making earlier about how, you know, the whole world was against Well, the whole world at the time of, of the end of World War II was generally very much against Japan and Germany and the, the Nazism in Germany. To your point, it hadn't existed for decades and hundreds of years. Hitler was, was rose to power in 1933.

Islam has existed.

Yes.

Since Muhammad. It's not all of Islam.

Of course not.

It has.

Right.

Israel's in a bad neighborhood.

Well, Israel's in a—

I wish Israel were between, let's say, Belgium and Netherlands. So nobody would try to destroy it. It would just—

well, you know, after World War II, you know, because obviously in the Balfour Declaration in 1917, the British designated Israel, right? By the way, it wasn't called Palestine then, was it? Or it was called Palestine.

But again, there was no country named Palestine, right? Palestine was a geographical area like North America. Palestine is to that area what North America is to our area.

Obviously, it's because of, you know, the Jews have existed in the land of Israel for thousands of years. There's the religious— I don't use the religious homeland argument.

Me neither.

I just think it's a losing argument.

I agree with you.

But for thousands of years, it is absolutely true.

Jews. And the only two states that ever existed there were both Jews.

Right.

Jewish states.

Jews were there before Islam was even founded.

Jews were there before Christianity was founded.

Yes. Well, exactly. Because Jesus was obviously born in Bethlehem. But what was I going to say? Oh, gosh. Bingo. Dennis and Julie bingo. What was it? Oh, yes. Yes.

That was fast. That was a fast recall.

Well, you know why? You taught me this.

You put the word in your brain. I love that when I give Jules a good tip. It's like a stock tip. This one's a very good tip. By the way, let's just tell everybody what it is. It's really worth knowing because I speak virtually every day. I speak publicly, and it's very easy if you're not reading your speech, which I never have in my life, If you're not reading your speech, it's very easy to forget a point you make, especially if you make a side point. And I always make side points.

Dennis and Julie's side—

because they're interesting and relevant. Yes. But what I— so what I do is I, I, I can't say literally, but close to literally, I say a word and that word I go back to when I have completed the thought of the other idea. Otherwise, I will lose track. So you— I was— I'm happy I asked you. How did you recover so quickly?

Oh, it's everything.

Yes.

Think of the word of your point.

That's right.

You'll come back to it. Remember that word.

So I remember my point, and it was yo-yo.

My word?

Yeah.

Yeah, it was shrimp.

Shrimp.

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Sure, Jews didn't wanna stay in Europe. Jews wanted to go back home. That's it. It's as simple as that. If the only issue were safety, although I have to admit I'm not sure that a Jew in 1945 thought, oh, Europe is really—

yeah, exactly, they're going to give us a part of our land and have all of us here.

Antarctica is safe for Jews, right? Greenland seems to have very little anti-Semitism.

But I think this point that we're talking about is honestly incredibly depressing, but really important because even if Israel by its metrics succeeds in this war, occupying Gaza, eliminating every member, every 30,000, you know, member of Hamas and de-radicalizing the population in that area, I still don't see an end to this problem for Israel, the problem of terror and these exporters of evil trying to eradicate Israel. Well, so that's not going to go away.

It won't end terror, but it will make October 7th much less likely.

You think?

Oh, yeah, I do. If Israel governs Gaza again, yeah. And so does Israel think that. But we've seen the Gazans think—

but we've seen this in the past. I mean, we've seen with the Six Day, we've seen Israel, and it doesn't make those events more likely.

Well, no. So, so each one has its own explanation. The Six Day, you mean really the Yom Kippur War? So take any war. I mean, I'll explain it to you. You know them anyway. Yeah, I know.

I know. But I—

okay.

So I want to understand.

Israel was taken by surprise in 1973. So that would be 7 years, 6 years after the Six-Day War, by the way, on October 6th, 1973.

Did you know that?

And this was October 7th.

This was October 7th, 2023, 50 years exactly after the Yom Kippur War. I'm going to fact-check that.

Yeah, no, I think you're right, because it was Yom Kippur and this was Shavuot, both Jewish holidays. Deliberately so. Obviously they know that.

Yep, October 6th, 1973.

I'm surprised it hasn't been more made. It's 50 years to the day, to the 12, 24 hours a day. I think you should just say to people briefly, but nevertheless it's worthy even though you have, you visited Israel. You've been there once, right?

I've been there once. Yes. And I hope to go back.

You were profoundly moved.

Absolutely.

I think—

see, profoundly. It changed my life.

Israel-Hamas is, is good versus evil as clearly as has ever existed.

You're absolutely right. You're totally right. But you were saying we were talking about How is this going to work out long term? And you said you think that it will make October 7th less likely. And I challenged you by saying, has history—

Well, yes, history has. The— Israel was 1,000, I think 1,000 Israelis were killed in the cumulative terror attacks. So Israel built a wall, a barrier. Between itself and, and the West Bank Palestinians, and it cut down terror by like 95%. If Israel governs Gaza, then it will cut down terror. It will not eliminate it, but it will— obviously, an October 7th couldn't happen again. And people don't know that Hamas has announced it's going to do October 7th as much as it can.

I know. So that's why I'm a little surprised that you say that.

No, I—

it's going to make them less likely.

If Israel governs Hamas— if it— excuse me, Gaza, it will render this less likely.

Just as you— I think earlier this episode you said when you ask atheists, do they hope that they're wrong and they say yes, you know that they're intellectually honest and they thought the issue through. What I'm about to say, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I am dead wrong right now. And I hope you are intellectually schooling me and you're right. I don't think I'm wrong. I don't. I—

You know what? You don't think anything will help?

I don't think this is going to go away.

Yes, it won't go away.

And in fact, I think it's going to get worse.

Even if Israel wins?

Yes.

Yeah, well, Israel doesn't think so, and I don't think so.

And guess what? If you're—

if you're right, I hope I'm right. I know that.

It'll be the happiest day of my life if you're right.

Well, one of the happiest.

That's true.

I'm looking forward to your happiest day.

Yes, I think we both are thinking of the same thing.

Yes, I hope I—

you'll be officiating.

Yeah, exactly. By the way, so onto a totally different thing. Are you— are you— what?

Yeah, yeah. I'll just say quickly, the reason why is because of all of the global anti-Israel hatred, right? And the United States, which used to be Israel's staunchest ally, half of us are vehemently anti-Israel. And then with the ascent of China and Russia and now a cash-flushed Iran under Joe Biden—

that's why I said the world, the world is awful. The world is morally disgusting.

Yeah.

Israel's a decent country, ladies and gentlemen. That it's the pariah of nations shows— it only reflects on the nations, not on Israel. That's why I made that point. And I'll make it over and over. I'll make it when I debate these two, these two guys. By the way, my, my debate with a pro-Palestinian is up I was on, on, um, Piers Morgan, Piers Morgan, 10 days ago or so, whatever, 2 days.

It was a really, really good interview.

Yeah, a debate. Oh yeah, yeah, whatever. Anyway, it's worth folks seeing. So I, I forget to mention that.

So let's talk about my wedding.

Yes, I am actually— it led me to say something because I am asked on occasion about, you know, have I made plans for my death? Basically, people ask.

Jolly. Look, we've talked about this on Dennis and Julie.

Yes. And, you know, it's a part of life. That's right. That's exactly right. And I have the most blessed life that I can imagine. I literally imagine. I mean, that I always tell this, I'm very open, as you know, that my career remains on the ascendant at my age. It's almost, it's virtually unheard of. I mean, it's more successful today than 10 years ago. 10 years ago was more than 20, 20 was more than 30, 30 was more than 40. I mean, it's incredible.

Congratulations.

Well, you're right. It's a massive good fortune. But anyway, uh, you're, you're one— you're a big factor finding you, because I, I, I see you as carrying on my message in your generation. Oh, and I, I'm saying it on video as proof, should anybody ask. I hope you're not the only one, but I don't know anybody who's going to do it better. And I—

thank you so much.

I— well, it's not even a compliment. It's a compliment, but it's not meant to be a compliment. I just want to assert it publicly.

I take it very seriously.

Oh, I know you do. I know you do. I thank God I found you. But I do want to just say, though, In light of— I really, really do monitor my health and my genes.

And you go to your workout classes kicking and screaming.

Yeah, that's correct. And I even had a test. People don't even know this exists. I read about it in the Wall Street Journal. It was fascinating. A guy's life was saved by this test. They— it's a test for cancer cells in your body. It's a blood test. It's about $1,000, and they acknowledge, you know, we may miss it, but obviously they have to say that. You can't sue them if you then get cancer, and as it should be. But the article in the Wall Street Journal was about a man who had no clue he had pancreatic cancer, one of the worst cancers you could have. The survival rate is so low, but they caught it thanks to this $1,000 blood test. $949 was, I think, I think it was. And they caught it because they have a test of the blood. They take your blood, obviously. And, uh, either way, you're thrilled you took the test.

Yes.

If you're clean, you're thrilled. And if they found something, you're not happy you have it, but you're thrilled that they found it, that, you know, his life was saved. Because if you get even pancreatic cancer early enough, they save your life. So anyway, I just want to note, I got a totally clean bill of health on that. Then I went for a brain scan at a doctor I'm going to have on the show. The guy's a genius. And he just gave me my report and said, you know, I have a young man's brain. There is not even a hint of any future dementia. And he spoke about decades of more life from, from the brain aspect, how healthy the brain was. And so my parents lived a very long life and they were healthy till the end. So since this arises every so often in people who like me, those— by the way, it arises in people who hate me too.

That's true.

They're just rooting for it. The data hates it. But I just want to report I have a really good bill of health. And anything could happen. Look, Joe Lieberman, whom I knew very well, by the way, he fell. By the way, that I do fear. I don't fear a heart attack. I don't fear cancer. And they're both possible. But falling? And first of all, you could fall at any age. You just trip on something. But I have fallen a fair number of times, and thank God nothing permanent in any of those. But apparently it killed Joe Lieberman. He was fine. Did you know that? That was—

I didn't know.

So by the way, I said he was just 82. That, by the way, is not a silly comment any longer. If I read you're 82 and die, I look as to the— if you're 92 and die, I'd never— I assume 92 killed you. But this is an interesting point I'm making. We have gotten to the point where if you're 82, people no longer assume, oh, he died because he was 82.

What a blessing that is. No, it's huge, huge blessing.

But, but in your age, at 92, you will ask What happened? You won't assume it was old age. Well, you knock wood, but it'll be very interesting. Uh, and, and it— I have no answer, and I won't be around for, for when you're that old, God willing that you'll be that old. But it'll, it'll give— it's a blessing and a curse because it's going to give people more time to be alone. There— Americans are alone at 40. They don't get less alone at 80, they get more alone at 80. So what's gonna be at 90 and 100? It's, you know, you— I have almost every week I read another column somewhere, not having friends, commute, and community is like smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. They give this analogy.

Wow.

I want you to know, Julie, 40 years ago on the radio, in my early 30s, I was telling people you should date for friends like you dated for a spouse. Dennis Prager here with a man I have come to admire for his work. So when I asked him, what do you do? This is the title he gave: Wealth Architect.

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I was taken enough and impressed enough to have you do my work, and you have in fact saved me a serious amount of money. CharlesDombek.com/Prager. I, I knew the centrality of friends. You, and you have it, by the way, I— here's another announcement. This is, um, Praise Julie Day. Dennis and Julie— Embarrass Julie with Praise. That's a better way of putting it. Uh, you can judge people by their friends and their enemies, and I don't know your enemies. I don't think you have many. You will, but I do. Oh yeah, I'm sure you have, but I just I just want to note, every one of your friends, all female, which is the healthiest way it should be generally, I have been so impressed with. And I'll tell you what impressed in every single instance, their goodness, because that's all that matters to me. They were all mature, they were all bright, that, but that I expect, but they were good and That's— so you'll always have that.

Well, thank you so much for saying that. And I'm so proud. I always say to my friends that I feel so good about myself when I'm with them because they're a reflection of me. But I have, I really do have the most amazing friends. And you're right to identify the goodness because that's what I care about most. At the risk of sounding like Mother Teresa, corny. I know it's the way it sounds, but I swear to you, it's the truth. It's what I care the most about and it's what they care the most about too.

It's really impressive. Did you pick up the book for everybody?

I did, yes. Because you were speaking about Senator Joseph Lieberman.

Yes.

And I just wanted to publicize this book. We talked about it on the last Dennis and Julie, but you know, we're not getting any money from this. So this is not like a—

Correct.

Not a penny. It's worth every penny. It's so good.

It's beautiful and it's worth it.

It's worth it.

One Page Arguments for God's Existence. Go ahead.

No, no, you, you said it.

No, you go ahead, but give the name and everything.

Elevator Pitches for God, and there are so many different— there's Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists, certainly people who struggle with God, physicists, chemists, senators, all walks of life. Alan Dershowitz.

And I didn't even know Julie was in it. Did you know I was in it?

Yeah, I figured you were in it.

Yeah, all right.

Well, anyway, but they didn't—

but I love that you're in it. That's amazing.

I'm the youngest contributor.

Yes, that's a big deal. Is it hard for you to imagine? Because I, I was public at your age as well. And can you imagine that one day you'll be the oldest in a book? Or is it too—

I'm aware of it because of you.

Oh, amplify on that. What does that mean? I believe you. It makes sense. But I'm just curious.

I'm aware of my age. I don't feel my age. I feel older than my age, honestly. I mean, mentally, I just relate more. But as you just said, I have amazing friends my age. But with you, you and I are such good friends and we connect. On such a level of equal— of equals, excuse me. Um, you have a young spirit. You actually, you have an ageless spirit.

That's a good way of putting it. I do.

And I don't think of you as of, as an age. However, I am aware, because sometimes I have to remind myself that you're 75, and I'm aware that when you started, you were my age. And you always have that funny line where you say that that people used to tell you, you know, you're really good for your age. And now they still tell you you're really good for your age. So I'm aware, but I never try to make my age— there are two things I avoid, actually: Harvard and my age. On Timeless especially, it comes up more here than it does over there.

But on Timeless, I avoid Harvard and my age too. Makes two of us.

When I started the show, I made some ground rules for myself. Like, I wrote a list of ground rules. And two of them was I would not play at my age and I would not play at Harvard.

You're ageless. You're young. You're obviously young. I'm obviously old, but I'm ageless and you're ageless. No one within 2 minutes. Nobody's thinking of our ages, which is what it should be. I mean, that's the ideal that that is correct. Does anybody think of Lincoln's age? And I'm not Lincoln, but I'm just noting Nobody thinks of Lincoln's age.

So I've got a good question for you. Speaking of age, I recently interviewed the sage Larry Elder on my show, which everyone should watch. Really, it's a great episode. We talked about, you know, his gubernatorial race, talked about Israel. We talked about who he thinks Trump's VP is going to be, etc. But then we talked about life and I asked him two questions. What was the hardest period in your life? And what do you wish you knew when you were my age? And so I want to ask you— I want to ask you both, but because we're talking about age, let's start with the second one. What do you wish you knew when you were 24?

So I know you asked him that, and I started asking myself that. It's painful. Because it sounds like this guy's really not in touch with himself, that I don't have an immediate answer.

Why is that painful?

Because it sounds arrogant, like you knew everything at 24.

No, I don't, I don't think that's— that it doesn't strike me as arrogant.

I really, I knew what was important at a very early age. I even wanted to get married in my 20s. I did. I didn't get married till 32, but I, it wasn't— I dated a lot. I was, I was a ladies' man. Okay, well, whatever term you want to use. Which, by the way, is really a fascinating subject because I have thoughts on, on those years, both positive and negative, incidentally.

Well, Larry had an answer for me about dating, which I'll tell you.

What was it?

He said, um, we were talking before. I had no idea he was gonna bring this up on the air, but Larry, whenever he sees me, he goes, you got a boyfriend? And I said, no, I don't. And he said, why? And I said, I'm waiting for someone who's worthy of me. And I don't, I don't mean that in a self-aggrandizing way at all.

Right.

It is the truth. I'm, I could date someone, a quality man. Yes. Um, but I'm waiting for someone who's, I think, really good for me. And so we were just chatting about that before the air. And then on the air, when I asked Larry that question, what do you wish he knew? He paused and he said, I would make better investment decisions, like financially. And then he brought up what I said to him off the air and he said, I would have taken your course and I would have not wasted my time in some relationships with people who were not good for me.

I'm sorry, which course would he have taken?

My course of I could date right now. But I'm waiting for someone who's good enough to date them. And Larry said, I didn't do that. I dated a lot of people, or I don't know if you said a lot of people, but he said, I wasted my time with people who weren't good for me or good enough for me. But I said to him, there's also, there's a downside in my approach too. If I'm being really blunt right now, there's a total downside to it.

Go on.

Loneliness. Well, I mean, I go on dates.

I'm not like, I actually have a good answer for you. Yeah, you would be lonelier in a bad relationship. The loneliest— I am, you know how adamant I am pro-marriage, and, and every metric, married people are happier. Having said that, I don't deny the pain of a bad marriage. And that's lonelier than living alone. A mediocre marriage is better than no marriage, in my opinion.

Wow.

But a bad marriage— I mean, to be with someone and lonely is, is worse, I think, than being alone and lonely.

But you were talking about your years. That's why the only reason I brought this up is you were saying your thoughts on them.

Yes, well, I do, but they there'll be fun for another Dennis and Julie if you want to remember it. All right, so, well, I, I, I'll, I'll give— I'll say it now, and it'll blow people's minds because they're not used to such honesty on these subjects.

Oh, here we go. Yes, well, they're used to honesty from you.

Yeah, well, even from me, they're used to it, but it still blows minds.

Here we go.

So I wish I had found somebody sooner. I mean, till I ultimately found the right one, I was already 50. I mean, you know, Sue. What was I? One second. I was just so 15, 45. Yeah. No, no, no, not 45. Yeah, in my 50s. Yeah. It's a long time.

55, because Sue was 40.

Okay, yeah, that's right. She had just turned 40. That's right. Okay, so that's a long time to look for the truly right one. And there's no bad reflection on my previous relationships, but I wanted to marry— I wanted to find and fall in love with the right woman at your age. So what I did though was I was with a lot of women, to be perfectly honest. And I will also be perfectly honest, I really liked it. I would have preferred meeting somebody and falling in love and marrying, but if I didn't have that, this was not a terrible second place. Okay, but I want to make something This is the— that's already very big.

I know, revelation. Good for you though, right?

I, I, I'm, I'm real if nothing else, as you know. But there— here's the interesting thing. As a result of my 20s, I never once in, in the rest of my life as a married man wondered, gee, what would another woman be like?

That's really, really, really important.

Well, it is. It was for me, and I think it is for most men.

For men, for a lot of men, more the case.

Yes, men, the chase and the conquering and another woman is a big— that's why there's a great saying Men love women, women love a man. It's depressing, but it's true. It's true, but it's depressing. Yes, it is true. And, and, but I never for a day thought, oh boy, what would another woman be like? I had sort of sown my wild oats as a young man.

But to give you credit, and not to be too personal, you had very principled boundaries with your physical life.

You mean even in my 20s?

Yes. Oh, yes, you did. Because I don't want you to make yourself out to be this.

Okay, that is correct.

Sleeping around person.

Always believed intercourse should be reserved for marriage. There's a lot other—

because when people hear that now, that's not—

you're right.

They don't know your approach.

That's right. That was my approach. That is correct. I was with women But I believed intercourse was for marriage. Uh, by the way, I didn't believe it for religious reasons, even though it's true religiously. Uh, that's why that'll be an interesting subject for us.

But all subjects are interesting subjects for us.

That's pretty true, isn't it? All right, well, we'll leave everybody on that cliffhanger.

Yeah, that, that is a good—

stay tuned for the next Dennis Prager.

I'm gonna write it down. In the meantime, you can reach me at julie@julie-hartman.com. Thank you so much for your emails. It's painful that I can't respond to all of them, but please forward them to me. If I don't respond, I'll try to. And you can follow me on Instagram and Twitter @JulieRHartman. Follow Dennis on Instagram @TheDennisPrager and on Twitter @DennisPrager. And Dennis and Julie is every Sunday right here on this YouTube channel at 1 PM Pacific, 4 PM Eastern. Shalom.

Indeed.

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