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Hello there, Dennis Prager with Julie Hartman. Dennis and Julie.

Best time of the week.

That was sweet. That was— I love it too. That's something. Okay, we won't wax, uh, about our enjoyment of what we do together. It could start grating on people.

And for some it has.

Yes.

And we know, we're aware.

Well, for those of you who don't know, this has actually preoccupied me. So very recently, and I'm sure all of you, certainly in the United States, are aware of the once in 80-something years In other words, not since 1939 was there a tropical storm in Southern California, or maybe California. We, we don't get that. I mean, Florida gets it, the East Coast gets it, other places. So people, namely the National Weather Service, the state of California, the county of Los Angeles, it was like COVID. Schools were shut down. Government offices were shut down. People were warned constantly, stay home unless it is an emergency. This is life-threatening. I have a picture of the notice on my phone. Well, I attended a wedding that weekend. The warnings were for Sunday night. That Sunday night, I was to attend a wedding, which I did. The groom told me, and to his great credit, he was not, you know, engaged in self-pity. He just noted 40 people, and I would say the entire number of people there was 100. So there would have been 140. 40 didn't, didn't come because of this hurricane, right? So Now, what everybody listening and watching needs to understand is Sunday night it rained in Southern California. That's all it did.

There were no winds, not lightning from, from what my partner said.

That's an interesting point, right? And regularly in Southern California, there are heavier rainstorms. It was just raining. That was the entirety. Now, there were parts outside of L.A. County where people were knee-deep in water. That's also very common. Every so— when there's a heavy rain, there's some flooding. That's part of life. So I was thinking, oh, I was very angry at the 40 people who didn't come to their wedding.

It's so sad for the bride and groom. I mean, God bless them for enjoying their day. Even if zero people show up, you're getting married. It's a sacred, beautiful thing. But that must have been difficult for them. I would be sad and upset if 40 people, a large percentage, didn't show up.

I got to tell you, I would pay any one of them money, good money, to come on my show and explain why they didn't go to the wedding.

Well, in fairness to some, Maybe they were flying and their flights were canceled or something, but was— do you think it was—

No, no, no, they were in LA.

Oh, okay.

No, no, no. And some had already arrived a day earlier. Nobody flew in that day.

Right.

That's— and the flights were not canceled. There was no reason to cancel the flight. Nothing happened.

That's true. I was— I actually was going to visit my sister on Sunday. She lives near LAX and I was watching planes take off and land in the rain. Flights were resuming.

Resuming is not even the right word.

They were going on.

Resuming is fine.

They were never paused.

Oh yeah, that's correct. So it's not the correct word. Okay. I was trying to bail you out.

I know. Thank you. I appreciate it.

I know you do. They closed the schools.

I know. That's absurd.

How many parents have complained?

Well, you said on your radio show 1%. I would agree, but I actually think a lot more would write emails if they didn't think that they or their children would be penalized for doing so. I think that a lot of parents would fear that they would be labeled as climate change deniers, complainers, not trusting of the government and its supreme wisdom and authority. You know, these parents would be seen as being hard on teachers who may not have access to transportation to get to schools. I mean, that's honestly what I think would prevent the parent more than anything else from sending an email to the school. And that's, that's a whole problem unto its own.

Yes, that is. So my very, very dark conclusion is one I wrote about. I actually read it on my radio show. You read my book Think a Second Time, my book of essays?

Of course, yes. I've read all your books.

Yeah, you did. Okay.

Except Deuteronomy.

But except Deuteronomy.

Yeah, I haven't read that yet.

So I have an essay in there. I mean, I'm very proud of this fact because I wrote this in the late 1990s, a long time ago, and I wrote an essay about an experience I had. In a nutshell, I was to give a speech in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, which is a suburb of Philadelphia. And so I arrived the day before in New York City, stayed overnight at a hotel in Manhattan, had a rental car all night, and when I woke up do not drive blizzard storm conditions. Unless it is an emergency, do not drive. I looked out the window of my hotel room. I remember this so vividly. And it looked to me like there was about 1 inch of snow on the ground. So I remember thinking, because I still had not yet realized what I now realize, people are so influenced by media that it is more influential than their own experience. Yes, this is critical. This is why it's so dark. So I thought, oh well, I guess it's in New Jersey, it's horrible. Of course it was a stupid comment because how far is Manhattan from New Jersey? It's, you know, one of the tunnels or the, or the George Washington Bridge. So I left 3 hours early and I got there 3 hours early. There was no traffic. Everybody listened to the radio and TV. Mm-hmm. And that awakened me to the ease with which people can be brainwashed.

Yes.

You are experiencing the opposite of what we're saying and you believe us.

Well, that's the comment that I made. I remember on Dennis and Julie while I was still in college. I remember one day walking in Harvard Yard and this hit me like a lightning bolt, a real one, not a government fake one that may or may not have occurred during a fake hurricane. Anyway, I remember walking in the yard and going, what people are fighting against, what occupies so much of their time, the money that goes to grants and research projects and theses at this university doesn't exist. Race. I mean, not that I shouldn't say doesn't exist, obviously.

Right.

Small amounts of racism in the United States exist. Climate change does exist. Is it the existential threat? But, but think about that. This whole complex of, of thought and money and energy and time, and it is given to these boogeymen that aren't real. The average student at the American college or university who says that they are fighting against racism has never seen it before. For a day in their lives. Isn't that amazing? And so you're right, people can be brainwashed so easily against what they see, against what they see. Or I mean, in the case of racism, don't see. Racism is totally rampant. I've never seen it. Wouldn't you think if the United States were as systemically racist a place as the left makes it out to be, don't you think we would have met one racist in our lifetime? I have never met a racist in my entire life.

I've literally not longer than you. The only one I knew was my grandpa. I know you told that on the air, which was somewhat of a joke, right?

Because he treated— you said he treated Black people beautifully, right? I have never in my life— not only have I never met a racist, I've never even, like, seen one. I've never seen a neo-Nazi holding up a Nazi flag on the street. I've never— I've never even— I can't name one. It's absurd.

Well, tell everybody what you pointed out to me.

Oh, yes.

Brilliant.

I think we said this last week, but it's worth repeating. So when I worked for Dennis one summer, one of the things that I helped him out with was going through his massive volume of mail on email and flagging the most important things. And in all of my days and hours spent going through your mail, which by the way was riveting, it could be a show unto its own to talk about the messages you get, I never saw a singular racist email. That is amazing because, as I think I said last week, you're a public figure. Forget that you're a conservative public figure. Public figures sometimes attract crazy people who write crazy things to them. And by the way, you do have those. I saw crazy emails that you got, but I never saw one that was racist or said anything racist. So my thing that I said to Dennis was, you know, he's accused of dog whistling all the time to racists. If Dennis dog whistled, don't you think I would see these emails where the people are receiving the whistle in writing to you about the change?

I had never thought of that. I mean, it's so foreign to me that I'm racist. I know that. I don't, I don't think about it. But that's proof. If I were dog whistling racism, racists would be responding.

Well, this is a really important and fascinating point that people will believe things that are contrary to, as the left would say, their lived experience. They will believe that the hurricane is this catastrophic event, even though they're witnessing light rain. They will believe that racism and homophobia and transphobia is rampant, even though they've never seen it in their lives. And I, I'm trying to, to figure out where this comes from. A, it comes from the fact that if you repeat a lie enough, people will believe it. But I think it also reflects this in vogue cultural idea that you can change reality. I mean, that's this whole transgender thing.

That's a good point.

That you— and so I'll tell you, the author of this really influenced me on this. Carl Truman. He wrote a book, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self. And I had him on my show to discuss it. And he opens the book with this line and he says, the modern age can be distilled into a singular sentence. I am a woman trapped in a man's body. He says, let's look at that sentence. If you go back 80 years and you went to your doctor and said, I am a woman trapped in a man's body, your doctor would say to you, okay, this is a problem of your mind and we need to bring it into accordance with your body. Today you go to the doctor and you say, I'm a woman trapped in a man's body, and it is the exact opposite. They say, this is a problem with your body and we need to change your body to be in accordance with your mind. So Truman really powerfully outlines how today feelings and your subjective experience trumps everything. It trumps reality. It trumps standards of good and evil. If you feel it and you think it's true, it literally doesn't matter that you can look down at your organ and see that it's a penis. If you think you're a woman, you can change reality all around you to become a woman. So no wonder, no wonder we're seeing this bleed everywhere else, that people will just believe things that literally are not in accordance with what's real.

I am proud to tell you, at least 30 years ago, I wrote a piece called The Age of Feelings. We're living in the age of feelings. And I gave as an example, I don't know, I'm sure I used more, but I remember one I gave. I said parents and teachers when it comes to moral issues, the, their way of raising children is, how do you feel about it?

Literally, that question is that—

that's the question.

When someone is mean to you, how do you feel about it?

This was, this is at least back to the '90s, maybe the '80s. New York Times had a piece about values clarification in Florida schools. Notice it's already interesting. Values clarification, not values education. They clarified the values of the student. The facilitator, that's what they called—

Oh, the facilitator.

That's what they called it.

That's creepy.

That's right. So I remember it so well because I cited it so often. So let's say they would give the example. You find a girl's purse in the hallway at school. What do you do? And some said, well, to be honest, I take the money and I leave the purse, or I take the purse, or I give the purse back. There was no right and wrong. It was just, that is your truth, right? That is how you feel. It is not for me to say right or wrong. How do you feel about it?

Well, what you just said, your truth, that alongside Carl Truman's sentence, I think is the motto of the modern era. And people don't realize the asininity. I think that's a word. I know asinine is a word. I don't know if asininity is, but I'm going with it. Okay, good. If Dennis says it is, there's a high chance it is, right? People don't recognize the asininity of your truth. There's no such thing as your truth or my truth. There is your opinion or my opinion. Your experience or my experience, but there is one unchanging eternal truth, which is the truth, not yours or mine. Another thing too, which is scary, really, really scary, is that there's this cultural assault on reality and on the truth, but it's also being supplemented with the ever-growing pace of technology. And now we do have technology that, that really can make you alter your reality. Look at this gender-affirming care. That's what they call it. Of course, as you point out, it's gender unraveling.

Well, destruction. I wish we had gender-affirming care.

Well, right. Of course.

That's, that's a good point. That's my point.

Right. But it's Orwellian because it's the opposite of what it actually is.

Right.

But obviously you and I agree that No matter what you do, no matter what surgeries or medication you, you take, surgeries you undergo, medication you take, you cannot change your gender. But in, in the modern world, you can get awfully close. I mean, there are, there are people who sound like, like men.

Well, I just read today that they are, uh, giving men— I don't know if they said uterus but a womb basically that he will be able to where they gestate a baby.

No, it's scary. I mean, we're, we're heading in that direction where you actually perhaps can get awfully close to changing your gender. If you look at AI and virtual reality headsets, you can literally put on glasses and enter a new world by your own design. You can change the way the streets are laid out. You can change who you inter— you can change the eye color of your girlfriend. I mean, The point is we're going into this realm of technology that is only going to exacerbate and fuel this assault on reality because it's allowing us to, to really change it.

See, that is an existential threat to mankind.

It, it is. It really is.

Climate change is not.

That is AI. I, I have to tell you, I'm, I'm sorry to make it about me, but I, I think I speak for some young people. A lot of young people are oblivious to this, but some of us aren't. I'm, I'm really scared for my future. Yes, I'm scared about wokeism. I'm scared about China. We've discussed this on Dennis and Julie. I'm scared of AI.

Why would you be scared of AI?

I'm, I'm actually terrified of AI because what is the incentive for people to live their lives if they can log on and, and live a utopian life in a fake world? What's the incentive for men to get married if they can have AI girlfriends? We think it's bad. We think, we think we're, we think it is bad enough now. We are so separated and segregated from one another thanks to social media and computers and all that. It's only gonna get worse and way worse.

Aren't men paying now to relate to an AI?

Yes. Girl. Oh yeah. No, they're, they're AI girlfriends. I'm 23. I mean, this, if this is as bad as it is now, think about what it's gonna be like when I'm 33.

Well, or 43. The ultimate will be when they'll be able to design people.

I know.

And the, and their AI, how will you know who's passing you in the street?

Well, I was read, there was an article in the Wall Street Journal review section recently that talked about AI mothers and AI babysitters for your child. So if you and your husband wanna go out for a date night, you can leave your baby with the AI robot who will, change its diapers, give it its bottle, sing a bedtime song, read a bedtime story.

What does it look like?

I have no idea what it looks like. But the article wrote— it quoted this, you know, baby specialist. I don't know what they're called. I'm calling them baby specialists who said this is, you know, this may seem like the best invention ever, but it's really going to mess up kids' development. 80% of your adult brain is developed by the time that you're 3 years old and you have millions of Again, I'm not, I'm not well-versed in the diction here, but like neural neuron connections that are made every day by a human being talking to you and taking you out in the world. And it's facilitated uniquely by that human being interaction. Imagine a baby being raised by a robot. What is that baby going to be like when it's a child or adult? Gold dealers are a dime a dozen. They're everywhere. What sets these companies apart and who can you really trust? This is Julie Hartman for Amped Coin and Bullion, Dennis Prager's choice for buying precious metals. When you buy precious metals, it's imperative that you buy from a trustworthy and transparent dealer that protects your best interests. So many companies use gimmicks to take advantage of inexperienced gold and silver buyers. Be cautious of brokers offering free gold and silver, or brokers that want to sell you overpriced collectible coins claiming they appreciate more than gold and silver. What about hidden commissions and huge markups? Nick Groves, And his team at AmFed have always had Dennis's back. Nick's been in the industry for over 42 years, and he's established a reputation built on trust, transparency, and fair pricing. If you're interested in buying or selling, call Nick and his team at AmFed Coin and Bullion, 1-800-221-7694, americanfederal.com, americanfederal.com.

I'm quiet because I know— I, I don't know.

I'm sorry to sound so doomsday, but we have to acknowledge that this is the direction we're heading in. Elon Musk, among others, signed this petition along with people who work in AI saying we have to halt AI or it's going to get way out of control.

Yeah, the trouble is we'll halt it and China won't.

I know. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. He wanted a timeout to think what has to be done. I'm just grasping at straws, but for example, anything generated by AI must list it or you have violated the law.

I'm sorry, what do you mean you must list?

So for example, this individual is AI, this essay was written by AI, this music was written by AI. That, that must be listed. Of course, I don't know how they would catch people, though. If you have a piece of music written by AI and you say it's written by Joe Blow, how do you know if Joe Blow didn't write it?

Well, I wonder if schools may start to go back to in-class or not go back, but exclusively only do in-class essays. Instead of take-home essays. Because now take-home essays— and you know, you know what's funny, Dennis? So I was talking with some of my friends from college about this, and one of my friends made this comment, and I think she was joking, but I, but I also think it was part— she was being serious. And she said, oh, we missed it by, you know, a year or two. We could have grown up or gone to college in this AI world where, you know, you can tell AI to write your essay, do your homework, etc. And We were all kind of, again, half joking, half not joking, thinking like, oh gosh, we had to do it the— we had to demonstrate our competence. We had to do it the real way. Now all these kids are getting these.

But are they, are they doing it? I don't know.

What do you mean?

Are they using ChatGPT?

Oh, a lot of them are. Oh yeah. I was in a coffee store the other day and these, these kids were like 12 and they were bragging about how AI did their homework.

Really?

Yes. Yeah. But you know what, Dennis? Contrary to what other people my age may be saying about how, oh, we miss, we, we just missed this AI thing by a hair. I am so glad I didn't grow up with this, even if it would've been easier for my homework and my essays.

Oh, of course.

Because I know I'm a competent individual. I, I know I can write, I can do math, I, I can do all the those things.

So when they say, I don't know if you have an answer, but when they say, I did my homework, what does that mean exactly? I did my essay on Macbeth. I don't.

Yes, you can write into ChatGPT, write me an essay analyzing Lady Macbeth's inner emotional state in 1500 words, and they'll do it.

Right. But if the teacher assigns an essay on Macbeth, right, won't they get at least two identical copies?

Well, that's interesting. I don't know AI well enough to answer competently. However, I think that from what I understand, you can— they can basically come up with new stuff or you can direct it like never—

or Reddit—

please make this totally unique and don't give this essay to any other AI user.

Or, or you edit it, which is what I assume. Change a few words.

Well, exactly. They, they can get you 70% of the way there, and then you just, you, you edit it, as you say.

Oh gosh, look at what do we have there? Robot.

Robot child. This was in the Wall Street Journal.

Meet iPal, a robot designed to be a child's companion. See, look at that. She is relating to it, right?

Yep. I, I, I feel so lucky I wasn't born.

Well, that's interesting. She is and he isn't. He's, he's not all that excited, but it may be, it may, may be sex-based or it may be individual.

Don't you feel so blessed you didn't grow up with that?

Well, I feel blessed for not growing up with so much of what I know. I grew up, it was such a— I didn't have an idyllic childhood, but in terms of America, it was idyllic. In terms of my society, it's sad to hear the optimism, the cheerfulness, the taken-for-granted liberty I, I've told you, if a kid yelled at another kid, like he would say, and the other kid would go, oh, shut up.

Really?

Yeah. So the, the kid, the other, the first kid would say, it's a free country, I could say whatever I want. It was a common phrase we kids would use while playing ball.

Wow.

Oh, shut up would get that rejoinder.

And they would— wow.

It's a free country. I could say whatever I want.

They would recognize it is a free country and other countries aren't free.

It was a standard. Yes. Nobody says that now.

No, no, you're right. Well, I, I think a lot of people don't realize how free we are compared to other countries. There's an astounding ignorance. I mean, maybe, and I'm just hypothesizing here, Maybe because you were growing up during the Cold War and right on the heels of World War II. So perhaps because of those events, there was more awareness. We aren't like Nazi Germany. We aren't like Imperial Japan. We aren't like the Soviet Union. Now we don't really have that.

Well, that's true, but we're not that. I mean, kids wouldn't say it's a free country. I could say whatever I want.

Well, that would be a It's not true. Conservative statement.

Yes, there would be.

That's like wearing the American flag, a shirt with the American flag on it is, is now conservative.

That's right. That's exactly right. So I have another issue for you. So at my synagogue where I speak every week, I gave a very different talk than I usually give. And it was about Evil. You, you've got to hear that talk because this— I, I broke new ground in thought with this issue. So I've been preoccupied with evil all my life, as you know, with— and therefore with goodness. So what I did was I read from a book I just finished, a 600-page book by Anthony Beaver, B-E-A-V-O-R, a great British historian. And it was about the, the Russian Civil War. People don't know anything about it. And at least 10 million noncombatants, noncombatants died.

It's astonishing.

So I read— what I did was, because I wanted to make about 6 points after the reading. I read from the book various horrific things that both sides did— the Communists and the Reds. That's the Communists and the Whites, the anti-communists. They were both monsters, and the tortures that they invented and ways of killing people. So I read it, I would say. So I spoke for a half hour And I would say I spent about 12 minutes reading. So it was a very powerful talk, as you will hear. And I got some feedback that people— and they all love me, so this had nothing to do with anger at Dennis— but among those who reacted, the reaction was Dennis dwelled too long on the tortures. We would have gotten it in, in a minute or two. We didn't need 10 minutes of these descriptions. So it's a very interesting question. So let me tell you my thinking. Number one, we owe it to the tortured. Uh, I'm a little annoyed that people have it so good that they can't even hear about a torture. It— so these people should have undergone it, but nobody in the rest of the world history should hear what they went through. I don't think that's morally right. That, that moment of queasiness is— this is a drop, it's like a pea in the ocean, as the Hungarians say. It's nothing.

What did they say? A peeing?

Peeing in the ocean. When they, when they want to say, you know, it does nothing, it's like peeing in the ocean. It's good. It's great. It's a great—

it is, I have to say it is.

So, uh, that was one of my answers. Another is only by— and I didn't repeat the same tortures, and I, and I showed that it was both sides, the communists and the anti-communists. I think only then do people have an idea of how much people suffered. If I'd have mentioned it and then moved on, I don't think it has the same effect. You have any thoughts?

Oh, many. I agree with you. And this is something that I struggle with because when I read about people being tortured or mistreated, I will sometimes find myself having to shut the— or fast forward because it's so upsetting. And then I feel guilty because I I think precisely what you said. I owe it to these people to understand what they went through. I don't have to watch it. I'm lucky. I don't have to look at it. I don't have to experience it, but at the very least, I need to, to read it and listen to it. So I agree. This brings me to another point which I've actually been wanting to bring up on Dennis and Julie for some time now, and that is that In my observation, few people know how to competently discuss sad things, especially people my age, and react appropriately to sad things. I was actually having this discussion with a very close friend of mine who, who, you know, who underwent a really, really awful, devastating life event when she was 9. Death of a family member. And she and I were talking about this, and she was, she was saying what it's like when she tells other people about this event, because it will come up. Um, you know, it's her sibling that, that died. So, so people will say, do you have any siblings? And she'll have to bring it up. Just as with me, it's, it's different, but it's, it's a parallel when people say, oh, you have two sisters, where are they in life? I have to say, well, one is married, one lives in New York, the other one is severely autistic. So I have seen to the way that people react to sad or uncomfortable news. And boy, a lot of people say dumb stuff. And I was talking about this with my friend. And we were going through the reactions that people have. I have had a lot of people when I say, like in college, and these are well-meaning people, when I say, oh, I have a sister with very severe autism, Sometimes people would say, oh, cool, cool, cool. No, no, I'm not. That was actually a pretty common response. Or, oh, great. Or, oh, great, great. You know, oh, great. It's not great. It's not cool.

You know, such an unreal reaction, right?

Isn't it? And I would always— and I, to this day, when I tell people, I'm very— I really— it's very interesting to see both their physical reaction and their verbal reaction. Cool, great. Um, so, you know, not everyone, you know, some people go, you know, that must be difficult.

But what is— I have a certain sense of it. Cool. In other words, it's cool to have diversity.

Yes. Like, yeah, that's exactly— you're right.

That's what it is.

That's what it is. It's a different, you know, kind of person that you're exposed to.

Unbelievable.

Yes. And even if people respond appropriately, I notice, and my friend who I was talking with about this agreed, people get really kind of flustered and uncomfortable and they don't know what to say. Part of being a mature, well-adjusted, and empathetic individual is to know how to respond appropriately when people tell you bad news. You can't— you have to learn Not together, comfortable, well-adjusted, empathetic person.

I have to remember that. M-W-E-K. The number of MWEs in society is very small.

I like this, coining the new acronym.

Yes.

Do you notice that, that people of course get uncomfortable? Well, you gotta learn. You gotta—

that's right, learn it. So I meet vast numbers of people, especially before speeches at these meet and greets. So, how are you? How do you do? Uh, you're here with your husband? I'm a widow. I, I don't— I never let that drop.

Of course.

Oh, tell me about that. How many years were you married? 50. Wow, that's got to have been a pretty big loss. I mean, they're so amazed that somebody will go beyond, I'm a widow, and ask questions. Yes. How did he die?

Yes. People don't ask— that's— yes, people don't ask follow-up questions. Maybe they— I think it's because, A, they're uncomfortable and they want to move on from the subject, or B, perhaps they don't want to make the other person uncomfortable. But what people don't realize is that Unless the, unless the person indicates otherwise, I really don't want to talk about it. It's too raw. People want to be asked questions when people need a witness to their pain.

Well, that's why one reason 84732, I hate the left, is they make people worse. So for example, it's not the same thing, but it's related. They tell you don't ask someone who has an accent speaking English. Where are you from?

They love being asked that question.

Who doesn't? Means you're interested in them. Yes, but the left tells you don't ask it. It, it's truly sick. When I see a— when I'm in the elevator or wherever I'll be, someone's in a wheelchair, or they come up again, meet and greet, take photos with me. So someone's in a wheelchair I just totally spontaneously go, what got you into a wheelchair? They weren't born in a wheelchair. What got you into a—

Address the elephant in the room.

Yes.

And by the way, you know, the left says, and I've heard this too, oh, it's wrong to ask the person's accent. First of all, they're so hypocritical. They don't know what they really believe because they also say that it's racist to say that you're colorblind. So it's like, wait a minute, do you want, people to, you know, ignore— like on the one hand with race you want it to be acknowledged, but then with race or nationality you don't. It's so— just want to point out how bizarre that is. But also, isn't it affirming the person's diversity to take an interest in where they came from?

It's so obvious that the answer is yes. It's astonishing that they would be opposed. I love hearing where they're from. I mean, I've never stopped. I don't listen to the left, but people are intimidated.

But, but back on to you.

Do you do that with a wheelchair person, by the way?

I—

it's a good way of putting it. Hey, just curious, what got you into a wheelchair?

I don't encounter many people in wheelchairs.

Oh yeah, you don't do meet and greets. Yeah, that's right.

I, I haven't really.

No, no, you're right. That's correct.

But I'm, I'm also very used to interacting with people who are disabled. I mean, my sister's lived with people of all kinds of disabilities. So I can't remember a time, but I do feel a lot of ease, and I feel lucky to have that ease because, as I am arguing, so many people are very, very odd when it comes to tragedy. And going back, this is where I love Dennis and Julie for many reasons, but also our, our points, which seem unrelated, kind of have this weird way of coming back to one another. I was saying earlier in this show that we now live in an age culturally, and thanks to technology, where you can insulate yourself from reality, or perhaps change reality to reflect what you want it to be. I think that's what's causing a lot of this discomfort and awkwardness with regard to sad issues. People We live in such an affluent, prosperous society, and people don't have to, you know, you could, you can watch, if you're feeling anxious about something, you can smoke a joint, you can watch TV, you can pour yourself a glass of wine. If you don't wanna go out and get your food, you can press Uber Eats, get it right to your door. If you're tired and don't wanna go to work, you can stay home from work and just log on to Zoom. We live in this world where you can literally manufacture comfort for yourself. And so when people are confronted in a, in a conversation with a sad statement, they're like, where's my button? Where, where's my button to make it go away?

That's good. That's good. MWE.

I, you know, I really wait out mature, well-adjusted empathetic person.

I want them to memorize it. It is.

So whenever I have interactions with people who say it's cool that I have an autistic sister, or it's great.

Yeah. That's mind-blowing.

It, it is. But it's quite common. The thing that I think, Dennis, is I think about when I have children and how one of the biggest things I will inculcate in them is how to respond appropriately. Because it is such a—

that is great.

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Well, no, I've noticed that in general, the, uh, That's why I mentioned all these examples. And I want to get back to my, my speech about— yes, yes, because I have other thoughts on that. So, uh, I would say that everybody— it's so common, tragically, having a child with an addiction or with some other psychological issue that You know, there was no— it was not, oh my God, I'm so sorry, or dismissing it, or being shocked. I will say this: people are happy for me that he's doing so well. That has been pretty close to unanimous. So I want to talk to you about the speech. So I described these— you will love this because I drew all these conclusions from the amount of horror in the Russian Civil War, which A, nobody even knows about. They know about the Russian Revolution and then World War II. So they don't know 10 million— first of all, you want For every 10 million murdered, there are tens of millions with horrific suffering. So like the others did well. I mean, people always forget that when we say Mao killed 60 million people. Do you understand that every one of them had a loved one who suffered horribly?

It's a really, really good point.

Oh, it's beyond belief, the amount of suffering. So I— my next point was people should read about the communist atrocities that are indistinguishable from the Nazis. And the author, to his credit, speaks about it. Like the Einsatzgruppen would have Jews strip naked and then murder them. The communists did that in the Russian Civil War.

Another thing they would do, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but this, when I was in Berlin, I learned this, they would have women, they would shave women's hair before they killed them. That fascinated me. Why would you go to the effort? Well, well, yes, that's true. But also, no, no, no, I didn't hear any. I just, I just, my humanized, okay. There is nothing, or there's a lot, you know, obviously there's a, but one of the most dehumanizing things that you could probably do to a woman is shave her hair.

Yes.

And that's, that was the extent that that just shows their Savagery. It was enough to kill, right?

And they all are naked.

Yes, they're all—

oh gosh, in front of— imagine in front of your children and your parents. People don't know the, the amount of suffering in the Holocaust. They don't want to know. They're not curious.

And in communist regimes, to your point, and in communist regimes.

So one of my conclusions of all this was the the success the left has had in only having us hate Nazism. I have a video with PragerU. Why don't people hate communism as much as Nazism?

Because they think the intentions were good and they don't know. Both true. They don't know.

They don't know.

They go, oh, yes, you know, well, they won't acknowledge that communism ever did wrong.

Don't hate communism. There is something wrong with you morally, just as if you don't hate Nazism, there is something wrong with you morally.

Agree.

End of issue.

Agreed. But I'm telling you what they would say. They would say that at the core of Nazism is evil. At the core of communism, it's a good intention manifested wrongly. That's their— that's their argument.

Yeah.

I'm just telling you what it is.

Good intentions, right? You know, Lenin was as rotten a human as has ever lived. Lenin justified doing anything you wanted to any middle class, any property owning individual, any of the bourgeoisie. Loot the looters. That was his phrase.

You know, it's eerie about that.

That's what they're saying today.

That's what they're saying. That's— I remember exactly what red-pilled me. 2020, Black Lives Matter. I am watching the people looting on the street, these thugs. And then I go on social media and there are people going, they're just looting from the looters. They're taking back what's theirs.

That's right, yes.

So—

That's Lenin.

Yeah.

He came up with it.

By the way, isn't it amazing, I was thinking about this the other day and it made me so sad because it's, our greatness is going away. The United States not only became the best country in the world, but it became the most good country in the world.

That's right.

Like we look at China and China, well, not so much anymore interestingly, but China has ascended to heights of, amazing productivity and economic development, but they're this evil corrupt regime. We accomplished both, right? And that shows, like, I think that's a beautiful kind of divine cosmic thing. It's God showing if you do good, you know, you will do well both materially and values-wise.

My third point that we did that, so here, right up your alley, point number 3: we had a civil war massive numbers of deaths, but the tortures that I described were very, very rare.

Yes, yes.

The commonplace atrocities everywhere the communists went and everywhere the whites went— that's the anti— they raped the women. It was just a given. And the Russian soldiers raped 250,000 German women. We— how many, how many women were raped in the, in the American Civil War? I don't know the answer, but it was not the common practice, to say the least. We had a more decent country, which— and you want to know my theory why? You'll love this. America made the— a particularly decent country. Remember, it's filled with humans, and a lot of humans are not good. You know what I'm gonna say?

Yeah, I do. Sorry.

Go ahead.

I gave it away with it's Old Testament.

That's right.

It's rooted in the Old Testament.

It's the Christian country most rooted in the Old Testament. That's why the Liberty Bell has a, has a Torah quote. Torah is the first 5 books of the Old Testament.

Another thing is that in the United States, we have taken responsibility to a crazy extent, but we've taken responsibility for what we've done wrong. We, we don't hide the fact that, that we had slaves and that we participated in the slave trade and that we, you know, some Americans gave smallpox to the Indians. We totally acknowledge that and we continue to self-flagellate for those wrongs and for made-up wrongs. That unto itself is an incredibly unique thing. Has Russia ever, and I mean ever, acknowledged what it has done? No. Under the Soviet Union, under Putin's invasion of Ukraine, has Japan, has China, has Iran, These regimes to this day will literally never acknowledge that they ever did anything wrong. It's, oh, in the case of Japan, the bomb was dropped on us. In the case of Russia, oh, the West was fighting us in the Cold War, you know, this horrible encroachment. Why does that— why do people just overlook that?

They want to overlook it.

That's exactly right. They want to see America become the racist, homophobic country that they say it is. It's a really awful thing, Dennis Prager, but I am convinced that a lot of people, when they see a very rare act of racism, which to your point, they're relieved a lot of the time are hoaxes. I mean, there are a lot of race hoaxes. Let's just— Jussie Smollett, the college, the N-word on the door. I mean, there's a lot of these. But when people see stuff like that happening, I think there's a large contingent of Americans who are happy.

I couldn't—

because it confirms their— it gives them even more of a reason to be, you know, morally superior and bring about their leftist agenda. That is Sick. That is sick, to put it lightly. If you, if you are smiling, gloating internally about an act of evil because it helps your agenda.

So PragerU is now used in Florida. Teachers are allowed to use it. Every single left-wing major medium— New York Times, Washington Post, Miami Herald, CNN, NPR, NBC, and every leftist, you know, SPLC, Southern Poverty Law Center, they all chimed in about how terrible PragerU is. One of the examples they give is Dennis Prager is a hater. For example, usually they don't give an example, But what they do, it's often this, without any substantiation, without any proof, he wrote that if you see a noose or the N-word on a Black student's dorm door, the odds are a Black student did it.

There's a lot of evidence for that assertion.

Wait, wait, wait. My article on it, they took it from my article, had 18 examples. And I wrote, if you can provide 18 examples of nooses or N-words done by white supremacist students in the past 20 years, yes, in the same time period, then I'm wrong. But they never provide any, any. And then they say Dennis Prager without any substantiation But I wrote, here's my substantiation, here's 18 examples. Give me 18 of the other.

As you say, truth is not a left-wing value.

It is not. It's exactly right. So back to my, my speech about the evil in Russia.

Should we link, link it for people who may—

Well, I, I haven't put it up because it was given at my synagogue, so I don't— I haven't put those up. I should. Maybe I do. I'll ask Alan. Okay, so, uh, oh yes, uh, number 4 or number 5 of my big, big thoughts on the horrors of the, of the Russian Civil War.

1917, by the way.

1917 to only really 1920. Some dated to '23, but it's really till '20. And so I said, if you read this, I mean, and read about the Holocaust, or read about Mao, I mean, there's so much, and you still think people are basically good, you are a fool. And I said it in my synagogue talk, and for all I knew, there were people there who believed it. And I said, you might be a very nice person, but you're a fool, and you've decided to become a fool. So here's another thing. Who believe people are basically good would be a great question. Does the average person in a third world country— do you think people in Ecuador or others where there's assassinations regularly, infanticide, incest? Yes.

Right.

You think they do? It is people living in basically decent countries who have decided to become naive. Oh, my neighbor here in Madison, Wisconsin, treats me beautifully. People are basically good. Well, you're an idiot.

As I said on this show, ideologies are as much luxuries as the finest jewelry and cars.

That's a good line. Here, here, here, here. Good line.

We think of— we think of items as luxuries. Ideologies are luxuries too. It is a luxury to be a leftist. It is a luxury to be, frankly, I'm sorry, a libertarian. Oh, let's just legalize drugs. Let's sell cocaine at Walgreens, as many libertarians in all seriousness argue for. Let's open our borders and have one global community. You have to be such an affluent, privileged person to think that will work.

God, I feel average, average, privileged. I didn't think prick was going to be followed by vledge.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Sean also was expecting—

hey, when I called— when I—

a word that rhymes with stick.

Yes. No, you know what? I don't say prick, or I'll usually just go for the joke. I'll usually just say like a-hole or something.

Aha.

I don't— I'm not refined enough to use a middle ground word.

Like, funny that you said you go for the jugular. I'll say a-hole. Oh gosh, we're really using our forms of bodily parts. Anyway, uh, you're right that the— look, the quintessence of privilege is that you could make over $100,000 as a DEI administrator at Stanford.

You had the best line. Dennis recently interviewed Carol Swain, who, who I said it to you, Dennis, a million times, your ears are going to start bleeding. But I have to say to the audience, she is so great. She's brilliant. She's, she's good. She's right. I mean, she's a great, special, very special. And, and she wrote this book that you were publicizing on your show.

Adversity of diversity.

The adversity of diversity. And Dennis had this great line, and I don't know if you meant it as a joke, but I want to know the real answer. What would these people be doing, these directors, if they weren't getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do nothing? Like, what, what would they be doing?

They're talent-free human beings. They, they're equipped to do nothing.

Who contrive grievances.

That's correct. Because with no grievances, they have no raison d'être.

Let's take a moment. Can you imagine what victims of the Holocaust or of all the victims of communism or just the female victims of the ayatollahs and the mullahs in Iran, all of these people around the world who truly, truly suffer and brutally so, can you imagine what they would think if we told them in America people contrive grievances and get paid?

Yeah, that's right.

They contrive grievances so that they'll get paid. Life is so good for them that they make the greatest suffering.

Proof of how little racism there is is how many hoaxes there are. Yes, that's the greatest single proof.

And as we said earlier in the episode, your everyday life— if— look, like, I'll give— I'll give a good counterexample. We talk a lot about how crime has become a problem. And homelessness has become a problem. You know how I know that that is true? I go out in my everyday life and I see it. I see homeless people on the street. I, I've, I have seen people robbed from stores. I've seen, I've seen glass, you know, on the Third Street Promenade because someone— you, you see it in your own life. I, as I said earlier, I've never seen racism. I've never, never seen a homophobe, never seen a transphobe.

Well, I, I Literally never. With all only respect, I relate the following. Over the course of years, black callers have called me to say, you know, Dennis, I listen to you, but I gotta tell you, you're all wrong about the racism. You don't know, you're not a black man. I'm a black man. And then I experience it every day. So without and I know me, without trying to trip him up or catch him, pure genuine human curiosity, I say, "You experience racism every day, so give me an example of what happened yesterday." In every single case, they go, "Oh, well, not yesterday." Okay. In the last week? And the worst answer I got was a checkout lady was rude to him, as if, you know, ladies are really rude to me. Well, exactly. I mean, how do you know it's because you're Black, right?

Well, that was the whole thing with George Floyd and his death. You know, when people were immediately saying that it was race-based, Is it possible for a white person to do something bad to a black person and have it not be race-based? They don't even consider that that might be an option. If someone is rude to a black person, oh, it has to be race-based. What if that person's having a bad day? What if that person's rude to everyone that they encounter?

It's not really— I have a story that you don't even know, and you know much of my life stories. You will love this. So one time In my previous incarnation, in a previous marriage, I was with my then-wife and my boys in the car. And we, the three men, were wearing a yarmulke. We had just attended a religious event, and a bunch of young guys in a car passing us started screaming epithets at us. You effing—

Oh, anti-Jewish epithets?

No, no, just cursing us out.

Oh, okay.

Just cursing us out. So I looked at my wife and I said, well, I have finally experienced anti-Semitism in America. And I followed the car, their car. I sped up. I wanted to at least have them think they weren't getting away with it. And what happened? Within a minute, they did the exact same thing to another car with no yarmulkes on. They did not scream at us because we were Jews. But I had every reason to assume it because we were wearing yarmulkes. I suspect a lot of Blacks have a similar experience. They think it's because of their skin color, right? But it may not be.

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Like Larry Elder, who is uniquely articulate.

He really is.

So if you say to Larry, you're uniquely articulate, you are really articulate.

Well, especially uniquely, that's like a double microaggression. Oh, I'm unique because I'm black. I'm uniquely articulate.

I'll tell you a— I will tell you, though, a synonym for articulate black: conservative.

That's true. Well, you say happy, happy, happy black also.

That's correct.

Yes.

But it's true for almost anybody. I mean, When I think of the conservative roster, what we call public intellectuals, where are theirs?

Yes, that's so true.

I always think of that.

Yes.

So they would say, if I may include me, okay, I won't be— I won't play false modesty.

So Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager, Michael Knowles, Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Tom Sowell, Clarence Thomas.

Yes. Where are— where is their equivalent?

They would say Cornel West.

Wait, Dave Rubin. I mean, I know I always feel bad at who I left out.

Of course.

I mean, there are so many.

There are so many. They would say Cornel West. I don't know. Ibra. That's right.

Yeah.

But Ibra Max Kendi. That's a good Robin DiAngelo.

Okay. No, no, no. Right.

So, oh, who's that woman? So how about Gloria Steinem?

I'll prove to you that they don't hold a candle to this group. They would never debate anyone in that group.

Well, you just listen to them for 5 minutes and then compare them to Larry Elder.

Well, that's right. Exactly.

Yes. Also, what I thought you were going to say is that if you look at— I love to call it the modern canon of conservative thinkers, At least for me, the ones that have influenced me the most and the ones that I think are the most cited are Clarence Thomas, Tom Sowell, and—

Oh, Black.

Black. Like, no, seriously.

I know.

At least for me. And I know, I mean, these—

Yes, that's correct.

There are few people who I think are higher in intellect than Clarence Thomas and Tom Sowell. White, Black, male, female, anything.

That's right.

Those two individuals who happen to be Black, I don't think that there's anyone that beats them in intellect and character.

Agree with you more.

And everyone, everyone, every conservative knows who those two people are.

There's a genius behind you.

Oh yeah, this is, this is the liberal canon, right? Tells you everything you need to know.

Well, she is no dummy, but she's not deep.

See, right, the wisdom component is there.

The wisdom component, that, that's the issue. I don't— I never contend leftists don't have brains.

Oh, a lot of them are actually very smart.

Yeah, but it's useless.

Know a lot of facts, but they're not applied well.

Yeah, well, they don't even know a lot of facts. They don't know about communist evil. And if you don't know about that, what do you know? What is more important to know than good and evil? And I know you resonate to that. One of the many reasons I adore you. And if that annoys our listeners—

well, good and evil, you've really—

am I wrong in saying it annoys our listeners?

Well, it already is. It already is.

I'm, I'm hypersensitive from the earliest shows where I know where we would, you know, it doesn't matter.

Good and evil is the, is the color, that color— sorry, that's not very eloquent, but is the color that illuminates everything.

Everything.

Every—

literally everything is important, and even to God, which is another discussion for Dennis and Julie. To, to end, what does God most care about?

Right?

I'd like to ask that to people.

Well, you know, and this is why I love the Torah, and you've really alerted me to this. Think about Moses, the guy that God exalts to reveal his moral code, the Ten Commandments. Moses had a stutter. Yeah, the guy who— that's an amazing thing. The guy who's going to verbally convey God's word had a stutter. That's God's way of saying, I don't care that he had a stutter, he's a good person, and that's why he's my vehicle. Noah, the most righteous man on earth, that's why he was saved. He and his family was saved on, on the boat. It's not because he was the handsomest, he was a minority, he was a man, he, you know, grew up in Compton. It was he was the most righteous. God doesn't practice affirmative action. God— handsomest?

She said—

what did I say?

Well, she said handsomest. No, handsomest is fine. Yeah, handsome.

What was the other one? Assoninity. I realized— I know. Is handsomest a word?

Yes, it is. Of course.

Can I end on—

Sean is the handsomest guy in the studio. There he goes. Now he thinks it's a word.

I wanna end just cuz it's been bothering me since literally the minute we opened the show when I said it's a high— Dennis and Julie's a highlight of my week. I want people to know when you and I, and I feel comfortable speaking for you, when you and I say something like that, we don't mean it as a brag or as a boast. Like we love our jobs. This is so fun. No, I, I've been contemplating this and this is a Dennis and Julie episode unto its own. It's better in life. You're a better person if you love more things than hate things. I know that sounds really obvious, but especially in the United States, we focus so much on what's wrong. And I like, I like being able to say something, being an example. I enjoy something. I'm a happy, healthy person because all we hear is complaining. So that's, that's at least my reason for saying stuff like that.

That's a good one. You're a good soul.

Handsome. Handsomest.

There you go. Good-looking, nice-looking, attractive, personable, striking, excellent at engineering.

And of a man. It says of a man. Google is right, not with the times.

Second one is of a number or sum of money. Oh, that's a handsome— so that's the handsomest sum of money I ever saw.

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Fight evil.

Fight evil. Shalom.

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