EP 123 WTH?!? The Doctor's Chat: Light and Vibrational Therapies

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Dr. Greg Eckel here, Dr. Jonathan Nadal.

And we are coming at you from the cosmos today through the interwebs right into your living room to sit here and chat about life is vibration and boy do we have a show for you. I am, I'm fresh back from a Dr. Joe Dispenza event and super fired up. And this is, this is one that is like near and dear to us. You know we've got, it really is the future of medicine, of where we're going, what we're doing. It's energy medicine. And in the past, Dr. Nadal, this has been called woo woo medicine. What do you think about that?

I mean it's if it works, let's do it. Who cares what it's called, right? But I mean I think science is still trying to catch up with everything that we do. I mean even Chinese medicine and acupuncture. But nowadays we got like quantum physicists that are sounding more like shamans, right?

So it is so true. You know we, I'm putting together a bioenergetic summit which I'm super excited about coming up here. It's going to launch in November, November of 2022. And I've been talking to 40 plus experts in different facets of it and what I think we gotta put away the woo woo discussion. Like it still has this moniker of for energy medicine is woo. And while I think we should embrace the woo really because we actually have now some really heavy hardcore science showing freaking amazing things. I have out of UCSD, University of California, San Diego. So Dr. Himal Patel and I've gotten to hang out with Dr. Patel a few times. I've had dinner with him, he's doing research, coordinating it for Dr. Joe Dispenza who we will talk about today and also for Harry Massey and a company called Ness Health and Energy for Life. And I mean this stuff will blow your mind. Like it's non local healing, it's programmed informatics and water that are cutting the viral cell replication in a petri dish. People are doing brain and heart coherent meditations, beaming love at cancer cells in an enclosed space and the cancer cells are stopping replication. I mean we're this, this stuff is getting published now where you know, non locality coherence healing, bioinformatics and water. I mean never in my lifetime, Dr. Nadal would I, I'D be saying this, you know, live on the interwebs. So let's, you know, I'm excited to talk about it, but let's just back it up here because you know, what are we talking about when we're talking energetics in this quantum, you know, people throw quantum around and maybe that gets a little woo, woo, right. But it's real. And we talk about matter, these physical forms, and then we talk about frequency. So it's kind of waves and particles. Right though that's what we're talking about. Newtonian physics, which is, you know, the, this physical matter world and then the quantum physics, which is more the energetic frequency world. How do we break this down? Now I see you all out there listening. Don't glaze over because we're gonna, we're gonna get into talking about matter like particles, protons and atoms along those lines, just to start, because I think it is important just to have some of the framework so that we have some language around what we're talking about here.

Yeah, yeah, good. I mean, and, and I think a fun way to think about it too. It's, I mean, so when we think of matter created from atoms, once we go to the subatomic particles, right, and we get into protons, neutrons, electrons, where quantum physics has gone to understand the, the energetic fields between them. So we've had to go even smaller and deeper to understand how they're having wider and more far reaching impact. So it's almost like we had to dig deeper to expand further into the universe and understand what it's doing. Which is amazing to think about, right?

It is, it actually, it gives me chills. It gives me chills. You know, it right when you compress. So let's get into that. So protons and neutrons are kind of in the core of an atom. In electrons they carry a charge. And then we have positrons which represent the anti electrons and link the atom with its anti self. So that right there starts to. I see you glazing over out there. Don't do that, stick with us. Yeah, well, if you really push down into an atom, like we feel like this is real, right? But all of the great traditions call this world that we're seeing right here the great illusion. And when you really get into, when you go into it, it's actually like there's a lot of space. Right. Like I've heard it said, if you compressed all of the particles of the universe, you'd have like a grain of sand. So it's, you know, we have these things spinning around a core, but at the core, at the center of this atom, there really isn't anything there. Am I right with talking about that?

Yeah.

Which is. It's like mind blowing.

Right.

Because when you, you can kind of. It feels real. I mean, this feels really real.

Yeah. Pinch yourself. I mean. Yeah, yeah. Even in Chinese philosophy, like it's not who cares about the cup, it's the space in the cup that serves his function. Yeah. And what you fill it with. Right, right.

And there's this, this component of the field, the biofield, it's the resonance or the electrical charges around. And I think magnets are a good way to think about this. Right. You have a magnet with the. You remember you put those metal shavings down on the, on the plate and you know, ninth grade physics class and you know, the positive charge versus positive, they would all line up around it and then you flip it around and then the positive and negative come together. Well, that's what we're talking about. Field. We can even feel it if we like rub our hands together. Right. And then pull it apart. You can, you can feel that energy between the hands. Well, we're now able to measure that stuff and, and really get into this particle versus wave and. Or maybe they both exist at the same time. Right. Which gets really trippy. But so each of the atomic units, when they're moving together, they're creating their own speed and these electrons are circulating around there. That's what creates the field. And so that component, the frequency, what happens in the frequency actually then gets compressed down into the matter. We are actually a slow moving frequency. So we're the densest form. Right. This mattered form. And that's the part that I find so exciting because as this research comes out and as we start feeding back, basically consciousness awaking to itself without getting too far out there, right out of the gate. But like I said, I'm just fresh back from a week long meditation retreat where you can start materializing here in this mattered world by changing in the frequency. So in the field that happens before it comes down into the physical form. Now how do we unpack that? That is, I think.

Yeah, go for it. That notion as above, so below and as below, so above, where it really we are kind of just a mirror of what's going on at the greater level is, is a, a nice esoteric, but nice open way of catching that. Right. I mean there's nothing that we do in a sense that that isn't reflected in nature somehow. Right?

Yeah.

Every Physiological process, all of it. As a fun side note, I. We recently bought a prayer plant, right? They're, they're cute, they do their thing. I know why it was called a prayer plant, but I was looking at in the afternoon and realizing that the leaves were nice and relaxed and then in the evening they were up and we watered. So I'm like, wait a minute. Hey. Because the leaves do that, huh? And then it turns out that yeah, during the day they're like that. To capture more humidity and moisture and through different bioelectric properties and anti gravity hormones and things going on, it moves it up, right? And it's to catch water and bring it down into its body. So I just feel like it's kind of a similar interesting where we're just designed to be this antenna to receive that which is happening above. And we already designed to do it. We just got to figure out how to optimize it.

I love it. You know, actually the other thing that I think about that is also to collect sunlight, right? The frequency of the sun to create the photosynthesis that then creates the energy within the plant. The same thing for us humans. You know, there's this saying, you are in the universe, the universe is in you. And we've been saying it as Chinese medicine practitioners for eons. And the first, basically I've been a meditator for 30 plus years. But the first time I actually experienced that was in one of these week long meditations of actually woke up as the universe. You know, that spiral that you see from the, the stars in just waking up in that spaciousness of that is truly us. Like we are the universe. The universe. It's not just a saying, it's the truth. And to be able to wake up to that and actually feel it on a cellular level was super exciting to me. As you can see, I'm bubbly with energy as a result. But, but that, that happened, you know, within the last year and I've been meditating for 30 years and that never occurred. So to have that and to be actually to, to share it, that's why we wanted to call this, you know, life in the frequency. I mean we're seeing because of the. Well, not because of, but in light of the research, we're now being able to explain what maybe the mechanisms of actions are. And my understanding of it now is the closer to source of unity consciousness. You know, you, you think about this is where it becomes scientists become shamans, right? Not that I'm calling myself a shaman, but in the science world when you start talking about unity consciousness of, we're returning to one. You know, in the beginning there was nothing. And then basically in consciousness it was. Is the question arose, is there anything else that was the one, the two, the three, the 10,000 things. Like we have this philosophy in Chinese medicine, which I so love, that we share that background and that. That beginning around an understanding or a language around how to speak into this. And now we've got the science showing like, hey, there is. We're actually able to measure this now. So on. On that these charges. We're talking about frequencies. So as we remove, as we move back into a unity consciousness of the one, we realize and wake up that we actually are the creators. We have a. To get in touch with that which is us, right? It's going back. You know, there's all of these ancient symbols. You know, this is where you get a little. I get a little add talking about it because we can go in so many different directions on, on where do we, where do we take this conversation? But you know, there's a saying, I am another you, you are another me. In, in the one, we are that mirror image. You know, I've actually taken to, to speaking with patients now around, you know, in this reality where we're just pretending to be separate, right? We, it's all here set up for our learning and our awakening. When we can tap into this, we get some of the most potent, potent results. You know where I think in the artesian or Cartesian model, the Newtonian physics realm, which they say, well, matter to matter, it takes forever to make change when you're dealing with matter to matter. But once you realize you can get into this kind of no time, no thing, no body, nowhere. We can go to the vastness because it's us. Like, you know, we can even do it right now if we want. Like we can close our eyes for a minute, take a breath into our hearts and experience space in front of you as far as your mind can go and go even further and that's just forward. Now go out to your sides as far as your mind can go. And don't forget to breathe here, but go a little bit further and then go behind you with a breath as far as you can go and then above and below with that breath, even further. Now just a little bit further where you think, oh, I'm at the edge now, just go a little bit further. That space is actually us. Like we. You've just created that within your own mind with your breath. And we have access to that, like that, you know, I feel like, you know, infinity. They weren't messing around with this concept of infinity where like you, you had, you really wrapped that together of like we can just go out to the edge of the universe and then come right back into ourselves. Of like that loop of, of consciousness awakening to consciousness, of it's you, you know, and me, it's all of us together. And that's. The vastness of it is so beautiful. Which it is mind blowing. All right, I'll.

It's. Can I please share a quote that I may have shared before? But it's so perfect. Yes. And it's so. It's called the field of energy. And out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right. Doing, there's a field. I'll meet you there. And when the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about ideas, language, even the phrase each other doesn't make sense. Right.

Is that roomy?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, gosh, that is beautiful.

Yeah, it's fitting.

You know, it's what, it's kind of like what springs forth all creativity. The poets, the songwriters, the artists like that aspect of. I think now more than ever we need to really tune into that. Those frequencies of abundance, of love, of joy that we actually can create it within us. Right. Where what we're seeing in our world in disarray and chaos and just there's darkness. Right. I mean, you can tune into that because it's everywhere it gets, you know, it's basically sent to us through the airwaves on advertising and mainstream media to put us into a limbic or a reactionary phase. When we're in survival mode, there's no way for us to expand or to kind of dip into that divine space that we just created a moment ago. Because we're in survival mode. Like our, our first tenant is don't die in longevity. Right. And so when you're in a stressed response, it's stay alive. Well, you're not going to be dipping in the divine when you're thinking the saber toothed cat is coming to eat you. So we need to actually manufacture that space for ourselves in, in creating that sanctity, that peace, that deep peace, because it's not coming from outside of us. And we see what's representative. There is internal chaos that's getting reflected out into the mattered world because people are under stress. They're under, you know, for good reasons. And it's also our responsibility to take that power back and say, you know, enough already, let's start creating the world the way that we, our hearts know and desire. And that's where this life is vibration component is we get to tune into whatever level we want to, right? We have free will and, and the beauty of what we want to do and where we're going with the doctor's chat and what the health and in our clinical practice is really around. How do we help people realize like we haven't been taught how powerful we truly are, what we're capable of, you know, and so that's an exciting place to be where there are. When you get above this mattered realm and you kind of go back back into the frequency when you get into that quantum field, it's limitless possibilities. Like you can go. It's not just predetermined when you're in matter, the, the physical form, this is the slowest waveform that we've got. That's where we're at and why things. When you're in your body and on the planet, or it could take forever to make change. Like, you know, if you're trying to lose weight or you have a health condition, you have depression, anxiety, like it can take forever to create change from matter to matter because there's, you know, you go from point A to point B. There's time involved with that in this physical form. So if we go upstream, get back up like a lighten up, right? So the, the waveforms are, you know, we can only see this much of the. All of the waveforms. And I think it's much easier these days to understand that when you have like fricking master computer in your palm and this information is going on a waveform. So there's information packets on a waveform that goes to space and comes back down. And then the receiver, which is the phone, interprets it, right? Or for us older, older folks, radio waves, where you're like turning the dial to get into the receiver, which we are the receivers here, folks, gets tuned to hear the signal. So the components that I wanted to share today is really around life as vibration of like, what are we doing for our receivers, like these bodies of ours, One magnificent miraculous amazing. And do we appreciate them, you know, or are we taking them for granted? You know, of like, you know, I talked to the kids and you know, high school has started and it's like, oh, it's another day. Because they're basically, you know, 95 of our thoughts, which we know are the same ones we had yesterday. And if we're expecting something different to change, it's no wonder folks get depressed and anxious is like they know what's coming.

Yeah.

Or do you?

And on that note, you know, I just. The brilliance and how infinitely more powerful our bodies and brains and consciousness are than those supercomputers. So if it's at all amazing what your cell phone is doing, just know that your body is infinitely more attuned to that, to that piece.

Yeah, well, and it's that I think it's the wild and the unknown, the unpredictable. So the component that is, I think sometimes a little bit hard to grok is, you know, we want predictability as a species, but predictability, honestly is boring. But also predictability took us a spaceship to the moon because we could project, you know, in time and space how to actually launch something from planet Earth, all the atmospheric gravity and get it to the moon and land there and then get them back. That's actually pretty miraculous. But that also took time and a lot of energy where. Versus this other reality which also is existing now. There are multiple. Like the. The multiverse, right. Is not just a computered thing. Right. They're actually extracting what's coming out of the sciences and putting in kind of incorporating it into these boxes. But the multiverse is. There are limitless possibilities. If you're not liking something in your life, guess what? You can change it. You know, while it's a lot harder when you're in the mattered world, physical plane, but if you start getting back into that expansiveness that nobody, no thing, no time, nowhere, you basically got to drop your ego at the door and get into this limitless sense of self where we are all connected and it is one entity. And if you get back into that source, like I basically have a working premise right now that all disease is separation from the one. Separation from source. And it may be there to wake us up as a teacher, as a gift, as a wake up call.

You.

Know, I'll just put that out there on the table.

Totally. And you know what? Our, our bodies, because you made me think. I mean, so during dreams, while we're sound asleep, our bodies take us to that timeless formless place to heal not only our physical bodies, but even to work through emotions or even, even if you've ever thought of an idea like something to fix or figure out, and then you wake up and you got the solution, right? So whether it's working through trauma, figuring out circumstances, or healing the body, we're doing it at night while we sleep. It's almost like, all right, whether we like it or not, we're gonna have to get you out of this little time bubble to actually get things done. Right. So yes, I think bridging that, that subconscious world with our conscious intentions is a very important thing. It's kind of a call to arms for what you're speaking of, you know.

Thank you for that because it is, you know, you, you can see these spontaneous or these miraculous cures and you wonder how in the world does that happen, right? I just witnessed thyroid tumors go away in two days. 3.5 centimeter tumor gone. Folks come in, in wheelchairs and leave walking. They haven't been able to walk for 20 years. They have, you know, spinal cord lesions that are healed. Well, how in the world you'd think that would take a long time to heal? Well, yes, in a matter to mattered world, in this physical form, slowest waveform there is, it will take a while. But if you get yourself at a higher level of vibration. Higher level, well, what does that mean? Certain emotions have frequencies. They're just frequency packets. So you know what, or is it that your brain, you know, it's a goal achieving machine, basically, it wants to prove whatever your reality. Like I've got a lot of evidence over here of how things are. I always ask my patients like, well, if, if you like your evidence, then just stick with it. Like, you know, there's nothing for us to work on here. If you are enjoying the suffering, then by all means continue to suffer like you get the choose to what you're doing. If you're not liking that, then maybe we take a different approach, right? Like, let's just get curious or maybe let's do some experiments with this new quantum stuff that we're talking about. Well, how do, how do you do that? You, you drop the VR headset of the, the different picture of what you're looking at and you put on a new lens. Well, all right, how do we do that? We do that. You know, we are practitioners of qigong, which is energy work. There's meditation, there's contemplation, There's a lot of different paths that can get you there. So it's not always, it's not the same path really for anyone. I would say.

It'S important to find your path and walk it. You know, it does, it does manifest differently for everybody. But the more we can increase the levels of consciousness altogether, the, the faster we're going to get there. You know, and even something as simple as instincts, like when we think of, of that, you know, kind of tap on the shoulder that, that little idea I mean the more you listen to it, the more it's correct and the more it appears. Right. And when it comes to instincts, it's as if it's utilizing all of this integrated consciousness for its own understanding. And it's protective and adaptive, but it kind of functions on its own. And I'm mentioning instincts because I want to pair instincts with greater intention around what we want our instincts to focus on.

Right.

And in this case healing. Right. So it's part of what we do besides physically in clinic is also just changing the framework on how our patients are thinking about their health or disease and how to get them there. Right.

I love it. You said and awesome word intention. Right. And, and when we're talking about chi or energy, we know energy flows where attention goes. So what your intention we actually have incorporated now into our procedures with folks of speaking into like what do we want this procedure to accomplish? So our what's our intentions for the day and are we maximizing placebo? Maybe, but you know what, there is the component. If we could bottle placebo we would be all of western medicine. I mean hands down like the amount the results that you get with that. So maybe, maybe I am talking about bottling that or maybe it's intentional. Medicine is maybe a new term that we're inventing here is it is our intention to heal. Like our innate intelligence is whole and you know, the body knows how to heal itself. That's one of the basic tenets in naturopathic and Chinese medicine is the body knows how to heal itself. So perhaps instead of getting into this adversarial relationship with our bodies or with nature, maybe we, we get a little bit more in tune and quiet that chatter the fear, the mind and get into actually what is it that we're looking to create. I mean, you know, we're intentionally stating we want to help people gain brain and heart coherence so that they can create from their heart spaces so that we realize heaven on earth much quicker than we ever dreamed possible. You know, so you can interpret that however you want. But that is my intention of what, what I've come to the planet to do and to help. So that's what I want to start speaking into more. But that intention, what does that do? It laser focuses the energy and the energy will go there. So if you're always focused on your illness or disease process or you know, on, on things that are outside of your body really, that's why we say we don't treat disease. Right. We treat heart centered human beings moving through time and space. Well, there's intentionality around that. We're treating whole dynamic people. And so with that comes all we have the kind of the universal intelligence and organization on our side with that. And you can create changes. I mean we've had folks with Alzheimer's that could do one plus one math within 30 minutes after a procedure, rattling off multiplication factors. You know, you can't really explain that in a western medical approach, Newtonian physics, matter to matter. But if you go up into this energetic space where you're getting above a frequency that is closer to source, which is closer to one where we basically started from, you take time out of the equation and you can really, you can get instantaneous miraculous cures. Are we going to claim that? No, we're not going to claim that. I hope one day we can claim it. We get some research behind that. But I want to see more and more of those. I mean why, why isn't the expectation that we're seeing more miracles every day?

Yeah, let's bring it there and then. So with that, how do we dance right back into this human biofield? How are we going to. What do we have that can help upregulate that or support that?

What do we have? We have this mind body medicine. What we're showing with meditation is there is an epigenetic change occurring for people. We're showing there's a protein gene that manufactures of proteins called Serpine A5. This gene is potently anti inflammatory. We know inflammation underlies 95% of chronic illness right now. And so we're showing with getting into, and we can measure this with brainwave activity. If you get into a gamma state, which is a high activity of brainwave activity. But it's all of the waves of the mind, of the brain all in a very coherent waveform. When you look at it, some radiologists, physicians will look at it and think the person's having a seizure. But when you actually talk to the person afterwards, they said oh no, I was actually in bliss, I was in ecstasy. Like there was no, no thing, no one, nobody, no time, no, just the one of just being in, in wholeness, completeness. And we can now measure that in on brain scans. And we have a wavi, we do EEG in our offices. We're looking at those brain scans and so you know we can actually measure these states of being. And you know, I think meditation sometimes is an intimidating word. This is not just sitting lotus legged and, and still in, you know, on your mat. Meditation takes multiple forms and it's I think one definition that I recently heard is knowing oneself. So in a meditative state is knowing oneself. So it doesn't matter like we think like oh, I can't be thinking. So like no, it's actually you can be thinking because everybody does. But if you're getting into those negative thought processes, those loops, you know, the dangerous neighborhood that we all go into by ourselves. But shouldn't, you know, it is quickly correcting that negative self talk or those spirals that we get into or just acknowledging like oh, there it is again, grist for the mill, as one of my teachers, Ram Dass taught me as a young high schooler. So there is, there's, that's one component, that one is free and available to everyone. Right. We do have. Then there's all kinds of technology coming out to help us get there as well. Pemf, P E, M F, Pulsed electromagnetic frequencies, low level laser therapies. Lllt. That one just rolls off the tongue. What have you seen with those, those technologies in clinic?

You know, especially when we use them with the acupuncture or during any of the procedures mean a significant increase in like reducing inflammation and pain. But even overall, like at least I can feel it like sometimes like a slight warmth and awareness to the area. It's almost like, well it is kind of an electromagnetic enveloping of healing energy that you can program to a specific frequency, right?

Yeah, yeah. So those different frequencies, like we have the, the RS Pro device that has seven different channels with different hertz frequencies. So frequencies is just how many, how many modulations are in there. Those have, are showing different effects in the body. We also have acupuncture. One of the ancient technologies on frequency changing frequency in the body where they have done, you know, I love some of the early research was to debunk like nothing is happening here, right. And there's a point below the knee called stomach 36. And smarty pants radiologist in New Jersey said okay, I'm going to do a functional mri. I'll pull a real acupuncturist in on a real person. We're going to measure that person's body, we're going to measure the brain and I'm going to show there's nothing happening with this. Right. It's total sham. And we know where the stomach is. It's nowhere near the knee, right? It's in your belly. Acupuncturist did stomach 36. The region of the brain that lit up actually controlled stomach function. Go figure. And so it now now he's like, you know, banking on NIH dollars on mapping the acupuncture points and showing like if you miss an acupuncture point by a millimeter, which is like the hair, like a hair follicle, you don't get that response in the brain or in the electrical activity of the body. Well, what is going on there? Right.

I think, I think, I think it has a lot to do with fascia as well. Right. Like we know that all the tiny fibers and networks in all the fascia in our body, there are different metallic properties along it. And I mean when we put metal in there with the needles, we're like resetting the conductor. I mean it's, it, we are electromagnetic beings just floating around in a skin suit. And I think acupuncture is a good way to, to plug in some fresh antennas and reset the message.

I so agree. And it, you know, it makes me think of like the body as a battery. Positive and negative charges. Right. We have, takes different substances in that help provide those gradients. Let's say we know around the cell, the energy in the cell, it would light up. You know, countries with energy, you know, as it's mind boggling where we are as a species today in this scarcity mindset of, you know, we have so many renewable resources out there. And to think we haven't been able to figure that out yet. You know, just getting back from Niagara Falls where Nicola Tesla worked with Westinghouse to create the first AC current, the alternating current came out of there and I didn't know that actually they created with the, with the falls, with the water movement, the alternating current came out of Niagara Falls, New York. And so to have the Nikola Tesla's, you know, kind of footprint there was really, you know, exciting for me because it's like we're, we're just waking up to our full potentials of, you know, the energy is within us, it's all around us and we have this beautiful sun in the middle of our system that is just forever pumping out energy. You know, we eat the sun's energy. We, you know, from our plants, from our animals. You know, it is, it's pretty remarkable actually.

Okay, well, what other.

So we talked about pulsed electromagnetic frequency, low level lasers, acupuncture. What other modalities are really working on harnessing this more of the quantum, the energetic aspect of what we're doing?

Well, I, there is that song modulated laser, right? Yes, yes. Which is, I mean it's, it's photoacoustically biomodulated. Right.

Yeah.

And that is. Has been a game changer. I mean, I. It's. It's kind of mind blowing in what it's done. You know, we Even that one patient, you know, not long ago, where we only did a certain portion of the procedure, like the intranasal portion. Okay, Right. Parkinson's. And usually that's just a piece of it. There's got to be an IV and all that, but just the intranasal portion. And yet we still guided this laser throughout the brain and spinal cord. And some of the changes were, like, remarkable, even more so than. And this was within a week or two. You know, every patient's sensitivity is different, but there's something about that laser that's. That's doing a lot of the work. One thing is the actual cellular mechanisms that like the matter that's changing. But I think we're bypassing a lot and skipping more in a quantum way to healing with this laser.

Will you give some specifics of that case without mentioning names, but, you know, because I think it was. It was so remarkable that I just want people to hear. These are the results that. That we're seeing clinically as we're applying basically these quantum theories into clinical practice, which is phenomenal. So this was a patient with a Parkinson's diagnosis?

Yeah, rather advanced Parkinson's. And then different history of, like, really bad motor vehicle accidents, childhood trauma. So she, you know, even her manner of, you know, she's very sweet, but even her manner of being and kind of her reactions with her husband and everything, always extremely sensitive. And of course, there was some rigidity, tremors. You know, even voice was off. And then seriously, after the first one, and then even the second one, which was just intranasal applications with the laser, you know, she. She laughed on the phone. She's like, I'm seeing the trees differently. I'm like, well, hold on. Are you okay? She's like, oh, I'm actually seeing the color of the trees on my property in a beautiful way. I'm like, wow, that's great. She's like, hold on, let me tell you more. And she's saying that she had pizza and she tried it and ate it and enjoyed it more than she had in over a decade. I'm like, well, that's a win. Sure, we'll take that. And then she says, my left arm isn't flailing around erratically every once in a while, and I have more control over. I'm like, whoa, okay, well, hold on. That's like, these are all Huge things that can happen in months, but you're telling me within a few weeks. And then also when her husband is running the dishwasher who apparently he's a little noisy with things around the house. And it would freak her out and upset her in the past, but it didn't even bother her. Now she's just okay, settle, calm more like herself even just those things are profound and remarkable because when we get any semblance of who we were in that more calm coherent way, I mean that, that, that already speaks volumes. But then we have some of the more objective things too with like her sense of smell and the, the more fluid movements with her arm. So I, yeah, I'm up in arms and she's super excited about it and she still has some other treatments to go. So I can only imagine.

And this was, this was not even on a full treatment, right. This was a, a partial treatment for what we typically do. So that, that piece for me is like super exciting of like wow. Well that's, that's interesting. Right. So that, that component, it really does speak into, you know, what the power of this frequencies are like. If you change your frequency you can change matter which is. It's contrary to what we've been taught because we were not, we're not taught about thinking in, in frequencies where we're taught about like you know, going from point A to point B and then you draw a line. Well there's time involved with that. Well if you kind of put them on its end and go up in frequency, you can start affecting change in the mattered world with there's no time involved with it. That's where the miracles happen. That's where miraculous change can happen here in short periods of time, if not instantaneous. So you know, I think as we get this word out as more and more it's kind of like the four minute mile, right? When before Bannister ran a four minute mile, nobody could run a four minute mile. And then this guy breaks the world record, runs a four minute mile. And then the next year is like 20 plus people ran that like just like that. So I'm excited. We are living at an amazing time where we're now getting to see these changes happening and it's accelerating. Just like the expansion of the universe. It's not a constant expansion, it's an accelerated expansion. So it, it is basically mirrored in you know, what happens in the macrocosm, happens in the microcosm, right. These another saying that we have grown up on as Chinese medicine practitioners. We're now putting those kind of esoteric concepts into clinical practice, which is so fun.

Yeah.

I think, you know, the, the component, I think what comes up when you start talking about this is our analytical minds. So I want to bring this concept in of, you know, people might be sitting there in disbelief going, these guys have really lost their rockers now. Like, listen to them just kind of go bubbly gushy on this stuff. But, you know, the component is we don't have to understand how in, in this quantum reality, there's no predictability there. So it's not like some formulaic, like this is how you do it every time. So you have to step into the unknown, which the unknown is. And this is what all of the great traditions are talking about is the eternal present moment of now. We have eternity in this moment now where we can't have our past or the predictable future. We can't have the predictability in the now because once you step into the that eternal now, that present moment which all of the great traditions do talk about, right. Like you can't live in your past, you can't project in the future because those don't exist. Only thing that exists is now, which is eternity, when you really tune into that. So you don't need to know the how. You have to suspend the how. That analytic mind, which I love my analytic mind, I love reading research and seeing the, you know, the P values and, you know, all of that, like give me numbers, I love that stuff. And at the same time, we're just seeing changes that, in that Newtonian model, in the Newtonian physics model, matter to matter, they don't make any sense.

Yeah, it transcends that. And, and you know what? Sure. If we, if for those that need to rely on it, science will figure it out as it's been doing. But I mean, I still can't explain exactly how a microwave works and I occasionally have to use it. Right. It's a cheap example, but like, yeah, it's all right. The how is already being done whether you understand it or not, right?

Yeah, yeah. So that, that component, I guess I want to leave folks with maybe a practical component, this coming fresh off of a meditation retreat. But we've heard this component of future, future tripping. So it's around the component. Like maybe there's something in life now, around your health that is not agreeable to you. You're in suffering, your pain, anxiety, depression, maybe ptsd. There's not. You're not happy. Can you suspend that for a moment and think to your Future self where that doesn't exist. And if you think just for a moment, like take a breath, envision that future self. You in the future without the suffering, without the pain, without the depression. Maybe you're more joyful, you've got free mobility of your body. You're not waiting for that other shoe to fall. You're like content, you've got deep peace. You're just grateful for another day on the planet. Go to that future self and envision. Envision yourself there. Like what are you wearing? What's around you, what you know, is the sun up? Who's around any smells, any. Is there a breeze? Maybe there's a slight breeze. You know, maybe it just. Life feels just perfect there.

And.

As you turn back, you're there. I mean, that's you right now looking at, through your future self's eyes at you today. And just see yourself there and just love on yourself. Just know you're doing everything you can with what you've been given right now. And draw yourself from today to your future self. So as you envision through time that you in the suffering state is coming to you and your future self and just welcome yourself in there with open arms and just know if you're able to see that future self, that in the quantum field that is a possibility. And that possibility exists for you today. So I wanted to leave you with a little bit of hope and a. Actually a technique that is showing to be quite potent for folks of looking at their future selves. Because that future self in. In the realm of no time, no thing, no body, nowhere that exists for you today. And we can make it happen. I'm not saying that that is easy. It could be easy. If you want it to be easy, it could be. But I also know sometimes it does take some work because we have been programmed. We've got this program, this old program of survival which has kept us alive as a species to this point. But it isn't really serving us in the long run now when we look at levels of illness and disease that are happening out there. So, you know, I want to leave you with that. I'm excited. Give us some comments about what this brought up. Maybe you just totally disagree with us. Put it in the comments. Maybe it totally resonates with you. Put it in the comments. You know, like we want to hear from you. We want this to be an interactive show. The only reason why we're doing it is for you. Well, we like to talk to each other as well. But it is, but it is. We want, you know, we signed up to be physicians and in the healing arts to, to serve and to help people. And so let us help you. You know, if you've got, if you don't know where to start, get in touch with us. We do complimentary consults. Like we'll do 45 minutes if you qualify for care, which means you're willing to kind of get out of your think box and step into the unknown with us. You know, we're willing to help. So, you know, get into, get into the conversation with us. You know, we do complimentary consults. Email us, call us. You know, you can find us online. You're watching us here now. And I, I just want to say, you know, one, I'm grateful for Dr. Nadal because he's really stepping in to the doctor's chat and what the health and my lead physician in, in Oregon as we start this fleet of eight clinics around the globe. So much gratitude. I'm also grateful for all of our listeners and viewers out there because without you, we wouldn't be doing this. So if you liked our show, give us a five star review. Tell people what you learned and share it with them because that's how the change happens.

Awesome. And thank you, Dr. Eckel. Let's help them get there, right? Yeah, let's do it.

All right, everybody. Here is to a great day, great week, dream big. And we will see you next week on what the hell, the Doctor's Chat.

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