EP 164 WTH?!?: Rethinking Health, Immunity, and Longevity with Tom Cowan

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Welcome back Everybody. This is Dr. Greg Eckel and what the health. We have a fascinating topic today, understanding viruses and vaccinations with the world renowned Dr. Thomas Cowan. He's accomplished author, speaker and holistic health expert challenges the norms. His sixth best selling books including the Contagion Myth, Cancer and the New Biology of Water revolutionized thinking. As a founding board member of the Weston A. Price foundation, he champions natural healing. He's armed with a Duke biology degree and a Peace Corps experience. He earned his medical degree, practiced successfully and now shares insights. His empowering strategies reveal the transformative potential of holistic health and based on new biology principles. Welcome aboard.

Okay, thanks. And you can call me Tom.

All right, I will call you Tom. So you have been at the forefront of new thought. I'm curious what you mean by the new biology.

Oh, that's a good question. So the old biology in contrast, has a, has a number of principles and dictums and axioms that are because of a certain methodology of going about studying life. The fundamental problem with it is because science, at least since 150 years and medicine has no idea the difference between living systems and dead systems. Therefore they study living systems as if they were chemistry sets. And as a result of that they make mistake after mistake. And the other thing that's happened is people have decided, I guess you could use that word, that they can substitute models for reality and that creates all sorts of problems which we can get into. And the final broad thing that happened is somehow science forgot that the way that you find something has a lot, has a huge determinant of what you will find. And so we, we pretend in science, which is now more of a religion and a belief system, that, that it doesn't matter how you found something or even if the, what you find conforms to the known principles of the everyday world. So let, let me just give you an example of this, please. So, so one of the important things in modern biology, modern science and medicine, because it has a lot to do with the so called MRNA vaccine, is that we're made of cells, which itself is a iffy proposition. And I can get into that. Yeah, the cells have organelles, one of which is called a ribosome. And the ribosome is important because it takes the MRNA and translates it into protein. So this, we are essentially made of like living protein. And so the, the place or the mechanism that protein is made is a hugely important function of living systems. So they say that the, we're the mRNA, like the MRNA quote. Vaccines are translated into proteins in the ribosomes. Now here's the first problem with that. They say that each protein is made from one gene. And then they do the arithmetic and find out there's approximately 200,000 proteins and 20,000 genes. And apparently geneticists didn't study arithmetic in school because that would mean there's 180,000 gene proteins that are unaccounted for by genes. Which means that theory, which is the basis of genetics and genetic diseases is, has to be incorrect.

So one, let me make sure, I'll just reiterate. So one gene creates one protein.

That's what they say.

If you just do simple math, there's 180,000 proteins that are not accounted for.

That. Yeah. There's no code.

Yeah, got it.

Now they get around that by saying something, rearranges the genes, so then you can get another 10,000 or whatever. But, but they also say that the G, the DNA is the same in all the cells, even though that's been proven to be not true. And this DNA is stable even though that's been proven to be not true. But getting back to the ribosomes. So the only way that a ribosome has been seen is under an electron microscope. It's supposedly too small to see it in a light microscope. Now if you understand how a picture is taken in an electron microscope, it's taken by taking the tissue grinding up in a blender, freezing it to 150 degrees centigrade, extracting it with acids, putting heavy metals on it, shooting an electron beam at it. So called high intensity voltage is what it is, and then it dehydrates the materials into a powder and then you see the stain. Now if I said to you, Greg, I want to find out what your hand is made of and what it does and I'm going to cut it off your arm and then I'm going to grind it up in a blender and then I freeze it to 150 degrees, soak it in heavy metals, and I'm going to dehydrate it into a powder and then I'll know what your hand does and what it's made of.

Right? Yeah. Absurd. It's absurd.

Yeah. Okay, and then to make it even more absurd, every picture of a ribosome ever published I've checked is a perfect circle. Now that means since it's two dimensional, that it must have been a sphere in real life, right? Now remember that one of the steps was grinding it in a blender. Now imagine you had an orange, right? That's A sphere, more or less. And you put it in a blender, dehydrated it, et cetera. What are the chances that every piece of that orange would be a perfect circle? Yeah.

Very slim.

No. Zero. Yeah. So that can't be. And in fact, it has been proven because somebody did this experiment, a guy named Harold Hillman, that these are gas bubbles and that's why they're perfect circles, because all gas bubbles are basically spheres.

Yeah.

There are, there is nothing called a ribosome. It's a make believe. Which means, where did it come from? It came. Interesting. It's a good question. You know what the word means? No. Rib. Right. R, I, B, O. That means of soma. We know what a soma is.

The muscle, body. The body.

Okay. So a ribosome, the place where our proteins are made, came from the rib of the body. You ever hear that expression before?

No.

Yes. You have. Adam and Eve.

Oh, the rib of an apple. There you go.

No, the rib of the body, woman was made from the. So they're mocking you.

Yeah.

Because they know that the story is that life was made from the rib of the somebody else. They just use that word to some.

Wow.

Now you know.

Yeah, go ahead.

That means we don't know where the proteins are made, and in fact, there is no structure that makes the proteins. And so how the heck does this whole thing work? And I, I could get into that, but it's more important, I think, if we only have like 25 minutes to say, when you do this, you end up with essentially debunking modern science and biology and medicine. And so that's the old biology. So you throw that away and then you start having to say, okay, well, what is there and how does it work? And how does that affect how you know whether we're healthy or not?

Right.

You. You could do the same thing with viruses, it turns out. Let's. That, that if you said, I mean, if I asked you, Greg, how do you know there's such a thing as a hammer?

How do I. Because that's what I've been taught. I have a hammer. I have evidence. You actually have it. You have it in your hand. You can see it.

Okay, how about this? You go to the place you would think you would find a hammer, like a toolbox. You look in it, you pull out the hammer, and then you say, now I have a hammer. I know there's such a thing. And then if you want to find out what it does and what it's made of, you can analyze it and Hit a nail and see if it makes the nail go in. Yeah, that sound right?

That sounds right.

How about a frog?

You go to where you think you'll find a frog. Get like a pond, like a pond body of water. You look for a creature that looks like a frog. You see if it croaks. Yes.

Yep. You get a net. So the only difference between the frog and the hammer is how you catch it.

Right.

One ease a net, the other you just stick your hand in. Yeah. Okay. And so that's called the proving the existence, the isolation. Meaning you take the frog out and you have only the frog. And then you can analyze it and see what a frog does. It jumps or goes ribbit or catches flies or whatever, right? Yeah. That's called logical, rational thinking. Now I'm here to tell you, and anybody's listening that if you go to the ecosystem where you expect to find this organism called a virus, Right, Like a sick person or a herpes blister or a chickenpox blister. Yeah. Nobody in the history of medicine has ever found a particle called a virus in that fluid. Nobody. And we have approximately 220 institutions, NIH, CDC, Robert Koch Institute, Pasteur Institute. We asked them, show us a paper that shows this thing, this protein code, DNA, RNA inside spikes, all that directly in the biological fluids of a sick person or animal. They have, they said, we don't have such a thing.

Well, so would this be kind of an extension of like Koch's postulates of, like. That's how they define a virus now, as you take saliva or bodily excretion, grow it in a medium, and that's how they're proving, like, look, there's an organism here.

Okay, so let's, let's dissect that. And I don't want people to get hung up by Koch's postulate. I want them to think like rational, sensible human beings.

I agree. And so you, you have that, you have that somewhere on your website that you've asked them that and they can't come up with a.

A woman named Christine Massey has asked in writing, Freedom of Information act. We've asked 220 institutions. They say in writing. We have no such paper. I've asked virologists, medical doctors, scientists.

Right.

They say you can't do it like that.

Aha.

So how do they isolate it? Because there's 10,000 papers called the Isolation of SARS, COV2, Isolation of Herpes virus, et cetera. So let me walk you through that stage and you tell me whether the Word isolation means like the frog and the hammer. Yeah. You have separate one thing from everything else, right?

Yeah.

Okay, here's how they take. Here's how they isolate a virus. They take the sputum or secretions or bodily fluid of a sick person. They don't know why they're sick. They just have a culture.

Yeah.

So they take that, they don't look for a virus. They put that on a culture with monkey kidney cells. They add antibiotics, which are toxic to the kidneys. They take away the nutrient medium from the kidney cells. They add the cap, the serum from a fetal calf, and they add other chemicals. And then if the kidney cells break down, which, by the way, have been proven to break down by adding antibiotics or taking the nutrient away, or from fetal calf serum depletion, if the kidney cells break down, that is called the isolation of the virus. Does that make sense to you?

No.

That's how they do it.

That's how they're doing.

That's the proof that there's a herpes virus. That's the proof that there's a SARS COV2. There is no step in that process which actually found the virus. Now, by the way, we, meaning a group that I'm associated with, decided to do this entire procedure called the viral culture, except we didn't add anything from a sick person. We just added. We took vero cells, that's monkey kidney cells, added antibiotics, same concentration, added the same chemicals, like trypsin, which breaks down kidney cells. We took away the nutrients, we used the same fetal bovine serum. It broke down exactly the same way. Proving that you don't need a virus to cause the breakdown of the cells, that proves that. That. That. That method is never been able to prove that a virus exists, because the cytopathic effect, meaning the killing of the cells, and everybody should listen to what I'm about to say is not a proof the virus exists. It's the proof.

Right. That's the only way.

That's the only way.

How are they differentiating? Or then saying, this is herpes, this is Covid, this is.

They take that breakdown product, right. Of the cells, and then they start sequencing, finding the pieces of RNA or DNA or mixing it with different antibodies or looking at different proteins. And then they claim that that means it's a different virus. Now, here's an interesting one. A guy named Hans Gelderbloom, who's one of the most famous HIV researchers ever. So he did a study where he took essentially AIDS patients supposedly caused by hiv, right? So he took the T lymphocytes of a AIDS person. And he spun it down, analyzed all the proteins and said there's 25 or so proteins in it. These are the HIV proteins because it banded. It spun out at the HIV virus band, right? Yeah. So these are the 25 proteins. And then he did a normal person who didn't have aids, otherwise healthy, normal T cells, spun that down, got the same band, did the same protein analysis, same 25 proteins, proving there are no different proteins that would be connected to a virus in a quote, infected T cell.

So what is the process that we're seeing?

What do you, what do you, what process are you talking about?

The illness.

People that are people need to realize that I didn't just say that people don't get sick. Right, right. People get sick.

Yeah.

But in no case ever. And I, I will bank my whole career on that. Yes. Has a virus ever been found to be the cause? So the first question one has to ask is, is, for instance, AIDS is that one disease, Right. I mean, some people have. They waste away. Some people have Kaposi's sarcoma, some people have different kind of lung problems. Is that the same disease?

No.

Some people with COVID so called have lose their smell. Some people are. Have nothing. Right? Right. Some people have hypoxia, some people have pneumonia. Some people get sick for a week, Other people supposedly get sick for a year or more. Right. That the same illness?

It doesn't sound like the same illness.

Right. Now, even if you get into things like rheumatoid arthritis, like people have joint pains and swelling and all that. Now here's the interesting thing and the old biology, the hallmark that the pathognomonic signature of rheumatoid arthritis is elevated antibodies. Right? Yeah. Now, because they say this is an autoimmune disease, the antibodies are attacking your joints, et cetera. Greg, you know how many studies there are that show that purified antibodies have ever hurt any person or animal?

There aren't any.

There aren't any.

There aren't any.

So, so that is a wild hypothesis. Now, here's the next.

You know what's interesting on that?

Let me say one more thing here. You know how many people have the exact same symptoms, joint pains, bilateral, et cetera, and have no positive antibody?

I'm sure there's probably equal.

40%, 30. 40%.

40%.

That means. So on what basis? Yeah. Would you say that this, the, the, the pathology in this ill illness is from the antibodies? On what basis would you say this is one disease. Yeah. And here's clinical one. Measles.

Okay, one more.

Right? Yeah. Cold, mucus, etc. But the hallmark is white spots in, in the cheek called complex spots. Yeah. You know how many, I looked it up. You know how many people have the same symptoms and say they have measles but don't have complex spots?

I don't.

30%.

30%.

So that's like saying, you know, Greg, I got this farm on my property and I got these animals and they, they have feathers, right. And they go like this and cluck, cluck. And then I have these other ones, these are chickens and they go meow and they walk, they have a tail. And so what are, those are non feathered chickens.

Right.

We don't talk like that.

Yeah.

Doctors, right? That's how they talk.

Yeah.

I won't interrupt.

Well, so on, just on the antibody load, like, you know, a lot of physicians are tracking antibodies for certain viruses that clearly don't exist. And they're, they're linking that to severity of symptoms. And I've never seen that to be true. Like you cannot track somebody's well being or levels of illness on antibody load. All it's saying is, in my mind is that the immune system has reacted to something.

There is no immune system. That's the old biology.

There's no immune system. All right?

They made up the immune system to make you think you had a virus. Okay, here's the way it worked. They said you have to follow the thinking of, of how they do this. So Greg, if you get exposed to this measles virus, then you, you get measles.

Yeah.

Hey, wait a minute. I got exposed to the same people. I, I, I didn't get sick.

Right.

Why is that? So now you have to do, you have to do a reification fallacy. You say, well, that's because you have an immune response.

Well, you know, the naturopathic discussion is, well, your terrain was better. Right. This was the debate by Lou and Marcel Bochomp.

Right? Yeah, Right, but, but that they still say, well, it's your immune system, meaning your antibodies.

Got it?

Yeah, they, they say that if you get this an illness once and you never get it again, that's because you're immune to it, right?

Yeah.

In other words, if something happens to you once, like you get hit by lightning. 98% of the people get hit by lightning, only get hit once. That's because they're immune to lightning.

They're immune to lightning. Right, Right.

Not only that, but I've looked about 85 or so percent of the people who get divorced only get divorced once. That's because they're immune to divorce. Except of course, if they cheat on their wife and then they lose their immunity and then they get divorced again. Just like if you lose your immunity to chickenpox, then you get shingles. Here's where it gets even goofier. They say that if you get a virus and then you get make antibodies, that means you're immune to the virus.

Right. So that's the whole premise of vaccination.

Right? That's the whole premise. Now along came 1984 and they get all these people dying of AIDS.

Yeah.

And then they say we announced we found the cause, it's a virus. How do they know? Because they found elevated antibodies in their blood of some of them. Now I remember that's the year I graduated medical school. I remember hearing Robert Gallo say that. So I spent four years learning that if you had antibodies, you were immune. And this yo yo just told me that if you find antibodies, that means you're gonna die.

Yeah. Right.

And I thought, what the, you know, who changed the rules?

Right, right. New definitions, new discussion.

Yeah. And you know why that is? That's because HIV is a smart virus. So it knows retrovirus, it knows how to escape your immune system. Unlike measles. That's a stupid virus. Yeah. Now the flu virus is sort of a medium smart because it changes every year. And that's why you need a new flu shot every year.

So talking through this, so how like let's just talk about polio with vaccination, right? What, what is the back story there? Was it already on the decline or what? Was there something in the ingredients of the vaccine, Vaccine that they put. Because that was kind of of the great trumpeted victory of public health and vaccination when you.

Right, So I have 70 studies that show that there was no contagiousness in the disease called polio. But here, here you have to realize another great trick that all the medical doctors use to, to essentially back up the use of vaccines. So the definition of polio before the vaccines was anybody who had an acute illness like a respiratory or GI symptoms and had paralysis for even a day or more, then they do the vaccine and then they change the definition of polio to an acute illness and you have to have paralysis at least three to six months. And since approximately 97% of the people who got polio diagnosis got better in three to six months anyways, now you have a 97% less incidence of the disease. And then you do another thing, which is that, do you know what acute flaccid paralysis is?

Acute, just like it sounds.

Yeah. 500,000 cases in India in the last seven years. That means you have an acute illness and then you get paralysis. And that is exactly the definition of polio. But the polio incident went down and acute flaccid paralysis went up. Went way up. And in fact, there was more cases in the last seven years of acute flaccid paralysis after the polio vaccine campaign than there ever was of polio before the vaccine.

Well, and that, that's a piece of why the Gates foundation was asked to leave India as well, because that was a part of their campaign.

So in other. What happens is they change the definitions.

Yeah.

So in the, and they. In the beginning, like that, you had Kaposi sarcoma and you had malnutrition because you took poppers, you know, 20 times in a week. And you had sex, anal sex with 100 people in two weeks, and you didn't eat and you took antibiotics and you were socially ostracized and you did a whole lot of other things. And so you were starving. So it used to be you had starving, you had lymphoma, you had Kaposi sarcoma, all those became aids. So now you have an increased incidence of the disease. And then if it's a vaccine situation, as soon as they get the vaccine, they say, now you don't have aids, you have Kaposi's sarcoma and you have lymphoma and you have. And you have. So that's what happened with polio.

Yeah.

The other thing that happened with polio is there were two known neurotoxic agents, lead, arsenic and ddt. And they affect the anterior horn cells of the nervous system, which is the seat of the per. Of the motor neurons, so called, which are not motor neurons, but that's a whole another story. But they, if you poison that area, you get paralysis. So they at the same time stop the spraying of apple trees and other fruit cheese with lead. Arsenic used to concentrate in the sugar. That's why people ate more sugar, tended to get more polio. So they took it out of the sugar, stopped using DDT and sent it to India where so they could get polio. And that's how they got rid of polio. It had nothing to do with the vaccine.

Wow.

And I don't know if you have. It's same with smallpox. There's never been a vaccine that prevented one illness, ever. It can't possibly because antibodies are not there to protect you against a virus. They're repair proteins. So if you get injured, you're like with Kaposi's sarcoma or starving. You make more antibodies to try to repair your tissue and then if you get better, your antibody load will decrease. It has nothing to do with the etiology of the illness.

I'm sure the establishment loves you with this truth telling. You know, the, the component, what you, you in the New biology. It, it does make me think of Gilbert Ling and the cell structure. Gel cells and the Powers of Life I think is the title of the book. I just maybe just murdered it. But you know, the, these basic premises that we've made in and built these institutions on. When you actually push on the foundation, you realize there's not the evidence that we think is there. And then you bring up this concept of the religious nature of, of science and what we don't have, true science besides folks that are actually thinking rationally and actually objectively about what's going on. Like, I'm sure you've been called all kinds of names, discredited, blah, blah, blah. But when you actually look at the science, it's, it's telling us something different. So I, that's super, super fascinating and I want to continue this discussion. I also want to give our listeners, viewers some actionable item out of this because I think that, you know, that's paradigm blowing. Maybe there's cognitive dissonance happening for folks of like, what are they talking about? They're saying, you know, these specific beliefs that have been drilled into us potentially aren't true. I'm just asking folks on this show to get curious. I think curiosity is the foundation of science and then you can prove it out in your own life, like run some experiments. Doesn't mean you have to become a bench chemist or culturing cells in your kitchen. But I'm wondering, you know, what do you do, Tom, where you like? Because I'm sure you've had this conversation for decades now and really refined it. Well, so what do you, what do you, how do you, what's the step for people? What's an actionable item here?

So that's a good question. And here's the thing that changed my life and I think will change people's life. And I will say it and then give you an example. The essence of science as opposed to the belief in science or scientism.

Yeah.

Or the essence of rational, logical thinking. It is, it's sort of encapsulated in the principle that what happens is there are claims made and you investigate the veracity of the claim without having to offer a, A different opinion about what is true. And if you just stick to that principle, you will learn so much more and you will be so much further ahead. And let me give you an example that bring. That, I think will tell people what I mean by that. If you've ever investigated why clouds form and how rain falls, etc. It's very complicated because the water is heavier than the air, so why doesn't it fall, you know, fall down? And there's got to be these principles of sticking the, you know, the floating water together. And it's really complicated. So somebody comes along with a claim which is, I know why there's rain. It's. There's these floating elephants in the sky and they pee down and that's what we call rain. So here's what you do. You say, how high up are the elephants? A mile. What color are the elephants? Gray. How many? That. What's the density? Well, there's about three per square mile. And then you get all the details about the elephants, Right. Then you get an airplane or helicopter and you go up with 10 different places, there's rain. You look, you don't see one elephant. You therefore conclude that the claim that the reason for rain is elephants is incorrect.

Right.

You don't know why there's rain still.

Right.

And you don't have to venture an opinion. Just say, I don't know.

Right.

But if you do that process, you will find more and more things in your life that are not true that you can discard. And if you can keep yourself from saying, well, so what causes chickenpox? Forget it. Just say, is there evidence of a virus? Answer, no, I know that's not true. Is there evidence of this? I know that's not true. Then what I have seen with myself and everybody that I've convinced to do this is the magical principles of the world will come in and help you out and show you what actually is true. But if you don't do the first step, if you remain delusional and a, a sort of cult member of scientism, you will never get that magic and see what's actually right. Wow.

Beautifully put. Beautifully put.

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Are there groups of thinkers that are doing that? Like, people must gather.

I'm part of the group. Yeah. That I, I formed a group. So, you know. Yeah, yeah. And we, we hold ourselves to. We don't need to know what is true. I mean, it's Interesting. You know, you can come up with theories or hypotheses, but it's like, it's like the wizard of Oz. You, you get rid of everything that's not true. At the end of the day, you're back home in Kansas.

What, what's the name? What is the, is that the new biology curriculum? Is that the one.

That's where I'm sort of quote, teaching people. I don't like that word, but okay, helping. So we, we set up a new biology clinic where, you know, all the practitioners are treating people along these principles. And then we have this curriculum where, you know, practitioners and others come to learn. You know, are there viruses? Is there genetics? What is DNA? Are the chromosomes made of DNA? The answer is no. Do DNA? Is that our hereditary material? Answers? No. But how do I know that? Yeah, so we have, there's lectures, there's things to read, there's group discussion and it's to this principle. How do you know that? Yeah, is that claim you just made, you know, proteins are made on ribosomes. That's a claim.

Yeah.

You don't have to know where the protein is made now. You, you just know it's not on the rhinestone. They don't exist.

They don't exist. So I, I want to really, I'm going to invite you back on the show and I want you all that have made it this far in our interview. I want your questions down below. I'm going to consolidate them. And you know, this is new information for so many people. We've got the propaganda boxes talking about viruses and the, you know, genetic codes, etc, and it is scientism when you ask or get curious around these questions like Gilbert Lang's career was shattered, it was ostracized, it was pushed out. You know, you have, when people actually come up with new thought, which is actually more true than the old thought, you know, they're ridiculed, they're, they're shunned, they're pushed out until it becomes, you know, those radical thoughts then become the new, the new known. And so I think this is a super fascinating conversation and very important. You know, I've always talked to my patients that I don't treat disease. We treat whole dynamic heart centered beings moving through time and space. Now you can debate the time and space component, but we treat people. I'm not interested so much in a disease process. So we're going for health and aligning towards that, that resonance or that field that creates health. That's our original blueprint. And I've seen it 23 years in practice. I can speak more and more confidently in that because I've actually have clinical evidence to support it. I've seen it like we see people.

There's no disease. You're treating people, right?

We're treating people.

And so to see if you can make their life better. That's it.

Yeah. And there's a lot of ways to do that. So I want to, I, I'm going to put some notes at the bottom here, Tom, and we're gonna, we'll pick up where we left off. But I really, I really want to thank you for coming on what the health. Do you want to share anything with the lure listeners and viewers here at the end?

I mean I'm that my people always tell me I got to tell them about. There's. If you want to get, you know, have access to a practitioner who's working along these lines, we have the new biology clinic. All These are@doctor tomcowan.com. perfect.

And we're going to put all of that stuff in the show and if.

You want to learn more, there's the curriculum and it's a, you know, like I don't know how many three month learning process.

Okay, three months you said?

I don't know.

Okay. Something like that. Self paced and we. It's a quarter, let's say.

Yeah.

I love it. Well, thank you so much and as I said before we got on, it's just a pleasure to meet you. I've really enjoyed your work and keep up the good work, doc.

Okay, thank you.

Yes, indeed.