WTH?!? Episode 115: Censorship, Tribalism, and metabolic Syndrome with Dr. Tyna Moore

Welcome back, Everybody. I am Dr. Greg Eckel, and this is what the Health. And it is sometimes a disturbing discussion about the state of health care. And for that bent on our show, I brought on my esteemed colleague and guest, Dr. Tina Moore, and I I'm going to give you a little bit of an intro and then you can give yourself the grand intro. Dr. Tina but you know, she has been out there speaking the truth, not backing down in a time of cancel culture and the shame, blame, guilt component of what's happening. And so I really wanted to bring her on because she has taken a stand for you, for me, and for all of us around speaking out against ridiculousness. And it's not easy. It is not easy to do because it can be very lonely out there. And, you know, as a dear friend of mine, I wanted you all to hear it right from her because she's very articulate, well spoken, and dang it, she's got the, the facts and the science behind her. So, Dr. Tina Moore, welcome to what the Health.

Thank you, Greg. I am so happy to be here. I want to apologize for taking so long to getting on here. You invited me several times and I was in the throat. I was fighting a war. I don't know how else to put it. I was fighting a war. And I knew when I came onto your show that it was going to be nothing but truth. I can't not tell the truth, and I really can't not tell the truth around you. So I wanted to wait until we were at a time when I felt like my license was no longer at risk and things have calmed down a bit because I am pretty sure at this point every single thing I've said has come to fruition and we have the data to back it up. So I am no longer having any inkling of concern about that. Yeah. So I'm an H. Patrick physician like yourself. I came a bit after you, but we were, I think, raised up by some of the same greats in the profession. So we hold the torch on that. I am a chiropractor as well, and so my roots really are grounded. I got an excellent basic sciences training in chiropractic college. I mean, it was like none other. So I and I had an amazing microbiology professor who taught us, named Dr. Fred Colley, who taught us all about viruses and how they work. I personally had been struck down in my younger years with cytomegalovirus and had been suffering from then what we now call long haulers when I met my dear friend and mentor, Dr. Rick Marinelli, who you knew, he since passed away from cancer, but he was the first person to help me and make me realize that I was dealing with some kind of post viral sequelae. And so I had this back history, right. And I'd had a very successful practice like yourself, very busy. I don't know about you, I'm guessing the answer is probably yes. But most of my patients, if I could go back in their health history and figure out the point where the wheels fell off the car, there's often a triad of traumatic emotional disruption, usually a divorce or something very stressful, met with how they've lived their life up until that point, the foods they've eaten, you know, how they've modified their own genotype via epigenetics. And then there's often a trigger that I have found to be viral. So I was very invested in how viruses work, what they do, what they don't do. You know, we, we know in our profession that there is long haulers, we've all been treating it for a long time. And when this whole thing unfolded, I thought for sure, like common sense will prevail. I'm just going to get out there and speak my truth as I know it. And I am not a virologist, so I was, you know, I disclosed that clearly. But my account on Instagram blew up and my life kind of blew up and my art profession turned against me very quickly and that blew up and I became the hero to many and it was just like full on of a sudden, there was a lot happening, there was a lot of doxing going on from I have now figured out, I'm very sure it was from the far left. There were plants and shills put into social media to discredit any of those of us who were trying to be helpers, any of us trying to shed any truth and light on being helpful. And I was, you know, one of our naturopathic tenants is Dossere and so I was trying to teach, it's doctor's teacher. So I was trying to explain the studies that were coming straight out of China at the beginning of the onset of the pandemic, showing that metabolic dysfunction, diabetes, those with inflammation, basically your standard typical American phenotype was doing very poorly. And I was like, oh, this is not going to be good on North America. We have a huge problem here of obesity, overweight and all together in a triad with diabetes and inflammation. And yeah, and so it has gone.

You know, I think what we're going to title this one Is censorship, tribalism and metabolic syndrome a discussion of the last two years. And you know that in that kind of wind up and intro, you really, you hit on basically what we're going to talk about today.

Ok, good.

And it is, I want to start on, you know, before the show, you were talking about the censorship and a clear timeline and some things that have come to light recently. I don't think a lot of folks understand how much censorship is happening right now.

It's huge.

And why, you know, you hear over the last two years, well, why aren't more doctors speaking out against this? Right. And you said it like you were fearful for your license.

I was fearful for my life. I was getting death threats from antifa members. So I mean, to the point where I was trying to speak out at rallies just on giving them stats that I pulled off Google, just straight up off Google. Like if you put in US Covid stats, Google and I was sharing stats, numbers, math, basic math. Yeah, that's all I would do. I wouldn't talk against the vaccine. I wouldn't talk about any of these things at these rallies because I would just, you know, we have a level of professionalism to uphold. But damn it, if I'm going to lie and or be silent, I have a platform. And what the hell is the point of a platform if you don't use it in times of injustice, Right? So I'm an older woman. I was out of practice clinically. My money was not. My income was no longer contingent on my license or my practice. But I would like to keep my license. I'm very proud of that license and I'm proud to be a naturopathic physician. So, you know, I was walking a very thin line. Fortunately, I have to say, our board, our naturopathic medical board in Oregon has been awesome. They've given us a lot of freedom to treat COVID patients. They've allowed us to prescribe things like iv, Ivermectin. They've really, really doubled down on our ability on our first amendment rights of free speech. And so I have to give them props, to be honest. I feel like we are the 1 profession in Oregon that's been allowed to treat COVID patients with what we need, the tools that we need to or that we feel as the doctor patient relationship we deem necessary. But the censorship piece on social media, interestingly, it was our colleagues who first came at me about that when I was talking about being censored and I was really getting gaslighted by them and a lot of other People saying, oh, you're just trying to market your marketer. You're just. Because I teach.

I teach marketing, right?

I teach marketing to doctors, right? So that's. I am. I'm a marketing coach. So you're just marketing. And I'm like, no, I just happen to have an array of platforms to move people to so I can actually tell them the truth. I just know how to use the online space, you know, technology efficiently. And so I was trying to get.

People.

The right information and I couldn't seem to find the right platform for it. And of course, people love sensationalism on both sides. And so, you know, incomes the other side. And it was so weird. I mean, I was. Early on, I was like, they were like, you've been identified as QAnon. And I'm like, I don't even know what QAnon is. Like, I had to go ask people. And when I talked about it, I said, does Anyone know what QAnon is? Like, I didn't know what. I didn't even know what it was.

Yeah, well, it's the tactics of propaganda. Propaganda to other people, right? Anytime. It's kind of what I tell. I teach my children this. You know, it's like, wow, like if you get attacked and it's not even about what you're saying, it's just, oh, well, you're associated with this group or you're, you know, your anti vax or your QAnon or your conspiracy theory. I mean, I, you know, it's like, well, what, what actually is she saying to, you know, like, it gets lost in the message of like, oh, well, I don't need to listen anymore. Right. And it wasn't just you. It was across the board. I mean, I had people sending me like, how to know if you're in a cult. You know, and I actually read it and I was thinking, well, this actually applies to you, who sent it to me, because you have done every single thing here. And so that component, like, even from. I mean, the amount of censorship of you know where. I am not using Google as a search engine anymore because they're totally biased and they cut natural medicine out of their algorithms. Right? So the whole purpose of my platform is to bring people information that they're not getting from anywhere else. And if it hasn't been truer than in any other time of history, is the emperor wears no clothes. And while we have to duck a bit so that we can still utilize these media outlets and kind of the infiltrating the system. So to Speak. So for finding those people that will listen, I gave up on, well, I'm not gonna convince anybody of anything. I don't think that you're into convincing anybody of anything. You're just about educating. The other banner that I've seen is, oh, well, science is real, as if it's an end product, right? Like, you know, like, it is such a banner for, oh, I am not going to listen because of science. Right. I get into an argument in my lobby with a physician. She's wearing her mask downstairs, and, you know, we're. The mask mandate is lifted in Oregon. I said, oh, it's so great. You know, like, it was a couple days before the mandate was up. And she got so huffy with me around, like, well, I'm a physician, and, you know, the. These things save lives. And I'm like, I'm reading the science as well, and I just totally disagree with you. And I said, but there wasn't any room because it's such an ingrained belief at this point of people. So that it's like, I'm not going to get into that dichotomy or that. That fight with people at this point. It's like, this is not worth my time or energy nor angst. Like, I don't want to feed into that. So that censorship component, like, I just give you big applause for, you know, standing your ground. And really, I mean, you've got some thick skin, Dr. Tina. Like, you know, you really. You were just like, no, I'm speaking the truth. I'm, you know, might be that punk rock background of yours.

They had no idea who they were messing with. That was the thing. The more they pushed me, the more I was like, oh, I know I'm right. The. The. The way that I was attacked so viciously, so in such a. It was like yellow jackets ascending. Like, I just stepped on their nest. And it was coming from our profession as well. It was coming from colleagues we know who are MDs. And I'm like, did y' all get bought off? Like, what is going on? We were in the same classes, we were in the same board exams. Like, I sat. We learn the same information. So I was very confused. And I. That's when I stuck my heel in, and I was like, no, you keep trying to silence me, and you will just create a bigger monster. I will continue to speak my truth, and I will continue to do so from a place of knowledge. I reference and back up everything I say with studies and data. They're just clearly interpreting it differently. Maybe they didn't learn how to interpret in the first place. I'm my. One of our colleagues who I shall not name. She said, you know, I thought I was medium smart until this all happened. And I realized that we're exceptionally smart people for being able to see through or I don't. I don't know. Is it a genetic thing that we just don't. You can't blind me. I, and I will say this, you know, I came from a background of pretty severe abuse from a family member. I have been in marriages with narcissists, heavy narcissists, and when. And I, I have studied marketing. I under. And I studied propaganda deeply. I was very much interested in World War II era Germany because I had a Eastern German history teacher who taught us all about how to identify propaganda. And he came out of East Berlin. And so in the early 90s, that's who was teaching the US history. And he was showing us German history books which were very different than US History books. Very different story than we were taught. And that's when it first occurred to me that like, oh, our government lies to us. This is all indoctrination. High school, school is just indoctrination. And I realized that when I was like 15, 14, 15. And so that's where I was like seeing the propaganda come out from the media sources, from the public health system. Numbers were not adding up. I'm like, I can do math, you guys. This math isn't adding up. And that's when I doubled down and I vowed I will show up every day and speak the truth. And if they want to silence me, they're going to have to kill me first. That's pretty much.

We are not welcoming that in. But that component, it gets into this, this whole concept of propaganda because that where we're seeing, you know, tribalism and cancel culture and it's like this mode, it is total propaganda coming at us. And I think now more than ever, the public, we're at a very low level of trust. And it's like, who do you listen to? How do you know? How do you discern what reality is? Right? Because we have this talking box out there, the television, which is owned, you know, most of the media is owned by like six individuals. So it's like, that is not truth. And there is a lot of money behind that. Right? When you look at how much big pharma is basically subsidizing that message, you know, you can get into like, well, what is it? I'm not going to throw it all Out. But at the same time, if that is where you are getting your information from social media and from mainstream media, it's really hard to discern. It's like, you know, I had my kids saying, well, the World Health Organization and the CDC papa are saying this. Like, why are you saying it differently? And these are. I wasn't brave enough to speak out publicly because of my. I have a clinic and my license and my livelihood depends on it. And so I did things like informed consent and you know, kind of those educational components of not really going up on high to say it. So I really, again, why I wanted to bring you on and share your. You and your being with the what the health listeners and is like, you're brave, you're courageous, you're a truth speaker. And you know, we'll have how to follow you in, in the show notes because, you know, if you are looking for a trusted source, you know, Dr. Tina is doing that for us. And so this component though, because you said you really dug in and really started getting back to some of your social studies roots of undergrad around tribalism and propaganda and, and what that looks like, because it does not feel good out here when you are trying to speak the truth. And you're like the lone target, right? You know, I'm guessing, you know, you probably had people private direct messaging you saying thank you. You're thinking like, well, where the hell are you guys? And I apologize for that, but I tried to give you as much support as I could. Oh, no.

You know, your whole. I think we all hold the line in the best way we can at the time. Right. And so your who holding the line in your own way in your clinic with your patients, which is how it should be, right? You're giving your patients factual information so they can make educated decisions on what's best for them. And you're helping guide them on that. That's how medicine should be practiced. And I don't think that a lot of doctors are even doing that anymore. They're just going along with Big Pharma. So I commend you because that's still putting yourself in a risky situation in these days, you know, in these times. I think that. Well, I knew, I knew something was up when it got to a fervent pitch right around the elections, the presidential elections. And then it quiet, it just quickly dropped off to a quiet, dull roar. After the inauguration, once Biden was in, everything went all that hate attacks, all the doxing. I mean, they would come in like, I'm not Kidding. Like a wolf pack. And you're just going, what the hell? And I had a few different accounts that were huge come at me, come at a few other folks that I know of. And since then, in the last few months, all of those accounts have disappeared. I had a friend who had it on. Good word. She used to work for the CIA. She called in a favor on one of the accounts because all these people you couldn't really identify, and you couldn't find them anywhere on the Internet to, like, really validate what they were, what their bio said, they. Who they were. And one of them was a literal shill from the left, from Biden's administration. So I'm not dissing the president. I don't care. Like, I don't. I think it's two wings of the same bird politically. But the point is, is it has come to fruition. And just yesterday, one was actually brought up on a substack. A journalist on substack wrote up one of the doctors who came at me hard, and she turned out to be a complete fake shill. And since then, all of her accounts have come down. She's been written up in the New York Post like, wow, so the truth is coming out slowly but surely. But of course, they're not broadcasting it on mainstream media. So the public, who loves. I mean, who even watches the tv, you know, you asked, where do people find information? It's like, who even watches tv? I got rid of my TV years ago. I haven't listened to the news since I was in high school because I knew it was. I could see it as bullshit. Like, visibly could see the bullshit coming out of the newscaster's mouth. So I kind of. I want to say I feel sorry for the general public, who. I realize I have privilege in my education and my ability to discern medical literature. We both do. We also, you know, went in half a million dollars in debt to get there. So I don't really call it privilege. I. You know, it's. It was called busting my ass and going into massive debt and having a different life because of it.

Yeah.

So I realized that. And I do feel sorry for people who can't read studies, but I also think that learning to read a study is an act of discipline. And anybody can learn to decipher science if they want to. And it's very clear to me that people were not paying attention in high school biology because most of this was covered there. Most of what I share was covered. Common sense was covered in high school science, which people were obviously not paying attention to because here we are.

Well, at one point, like, where did it go? Like, what was the. I mean, where did it bifurcate or like what. It seems so insidious that it's like, wow, you look back really over the last 30 years, it's like, oh my gosh, this has been going on for so long that now I've just maybe of the age where it's like, okay, I've seen it enough where. And this one was just kind of hit home because it's in my topic of, you know, what I dedicated my life to that I had more certainty that, oh no, this is actually happening. Like, there's a lot of lies coming out and there's a mob now that has a belief. I mean, we're seeing it now where the mandates are down and I'm all for medical health freedom. People can have the choice to wear a mask, but it isn't actually doing anything for them. So I, you know, it is. And that's really upsetting to people. Right? I mean, they really get fired up over that. Yeah, but there's over 1500 studies that show that and they prop up two that actually weren't good science. As to why we're mandating, it's like we've got these policies that were instilled and mandated on American public came from China.

I think it's control and I think it's political. You know, I think at the end of the day, this is not about a virus. I think this is all about politics. And what's the long game? We could speculate. We probably shouldn't talk about it out loud here. But I think the long game is really that's in my head. I've understood what the long game was from the beginning. And so this is not about a virus. If this were about a virus, it would have been public health sentiment would have been based in health and there would have been health policies around being healthy. But that's never been discussed. It was just wash your hands, stay locked up, use plexiglass. I mean, the fact that humans actually believed. Well, I knew something was wrong when I made a video very early on. I had a few early videos that went viral. And one of them I said, everybody's going to get this virus. It's aerosolized. And people flipped out. No, it's droplets. And I'm like, if you have a hard copy textbook about viruses, particularly coronaviruses or you look at any. See, I do use Google and I do it on purpose because if you scroll past page one, you can find your answer to anything. They just enough people haven't clicked on it yet to make it disappear right from the interwebs of Google. So just put in, you know, virology textbook and boom, there it is.

Yeah.

Coronaviruses are aerosolized. They're super tiny. They're smaller than influenza viruses and they're aerosolized. And so people would flip out. And I'm like, so if you go in an elevator and somebody's been in there 10 minutes earlier and they were sneezing and coughing, it's still aerosolized in the air. It wasn't like sputum droplets that were giant. That. I mean, when do you walk around and see droplets from people's mouths? Right. So yes, when you walk in the elevator, you will be exposed to the coronavirus. Everyone's going to get it. The studies on SARS CoV1, they found in wings of hospitals across the hospital that away from the isolated ward of COVID or, you know, that wasn't called Covid then, it was called SARS COV1. There were people getting the infection and getting sick through the air ducts. There were entire. There was one hospital that was blowing its ventilation out and was getting caught up by an adjacent apartment complex building in China. And it was receipt. This is still SARS COV1. It was receiving the air into the air ducts of the apartment, of the whole apartment complex got sick. This stuff is aerosolized. And the minute that they were fighting me on it or the news was lying about that and everybody was lying about that, I was like, something smells way off here. This is not right. And then we knew that those with metabolic disruption, which is 88% of America, according to studies going back as you know, to 2017, I believe, 2018, that we've got a problem. And so I was like, hey, guys, you can implement some simple strategies to improve your metabolic health and it will significantly improve your immune response. And this is a super survivable virus. It's particularly rough on those who are severely old, like pretty severely old. But it's kids. I mean, you have a higher chance of getting hit by lightning and dying than you do of dying of COVID as a kid. And we've just approved remdesivir for babies and we're vaccinating little ones. And I'm just like, when did adults start using children as human shields against their poor lifestyle habits?

Yeah, this was the first time in history we had the elderly asking the youth to sacrifice. You know, it's backwards of what just happened here. And of course we have then the youth that are collective in nature wanting to take care of everybody, saying, okay, we'll take it. But it was. I just don't even know where to go with that one. But I want to come back to the state of the union as far as health goes. Before we move off of censorship. There was some stuff that happened in Oregon specifically with Federal Trade Commission and Department of justice just to share the level. It wasn't just tribalism of attacking social media mobs. No. We actually had institutions that came after doctors educating their patients about what to do around viral illness.

Right. And we know as NDS how to help people. We're not treating, preventing, or curing anything. We're treating the individual. We're keeping the individual healthy. We're helping the individual be nutrient dense so that viral load stays low. We're helping the individual stay healthy so that their immune system doesn't go wonky on them and turn into a cytokine storm and melt them. We know how to do that. That's what we do. That's what we do all day for our patients. That's what I have known to do for over two decades. I got a call from my lawyer because I was coaching at the time a lot of doctors on online marketing. And I got a call from my lawyer and she said, don't say anything about prevention, treatment or cure, anything about COVID I said, but we already have data out of China showing high dose IV vitamin C. You know, Dr. Paul Anderson was sharing that. And she's like, don't say anything. We are getting. Some of my clients are receiving letters from the Department of Justice and the FTC in Oregon. And what is the FTC doing involved in this? Not the fda, the ftc, Federal Trade Commission. That has not. That's like, that's the act of selling stuff, right? So that's the organization that handles that. So she's like, it's very weird. I don't know what's going on, but I'm dealing with like two or three investigations right as we speak that just happened. People you and I know. And she didn't give me names. Like you could just go to the website and look it up. And I was shocked. And so I told my group of doctors that I coach. I'm like, keep your mouth shut. Some of them were very upset with me. And I'm like. And they even, you know, that was the thing was like, this group thinks I'm Making shit up and being overly, you know, and this group thinks I'm making shit up and being overly and all of it now, now that we're two and a half years later, I was like, I was right on all counts, you guys. I was just trying to help you. It's like the age old, you know, warrior, wounded warrior journey of like you're trying to help and you're getting just mauled. And you and I know this from practice. I think the, some of the lies that have come out in the last few years. I'm glad, I'm glad people know about the Rockefellerism on medicine. I'm glad that people are starting to open their eyes and realize that the allopathic model been, you know, deceptive in many ways and pharmaceutical industry is maybe not to be trusted. People didn't know this because they didn't want to pay attention to it, because they didn't want to be bothered by it. But you and I know how many people were killed by Vioxx. You know, you and I know how many lawsuits Pfizer has had against it. So to us, this is like old hat. But to the general public, I think it's shocking. It's difficult to wrap their heads around that they've been deceived potentially by their own governing bodies and their own. The industries that are meant to protect them and help them might have been purposely trying to make them into lifelong customers. And so it's just, I don't know where our profession specifically didn't get on board, but yes, in Oregon specifically, the FTC and the Department of Justice were shutting people down for even suggesting vitamin C might be helpful. It started very early on the social media platforms as well. And I heard about it from friends and colleagues who had huge platforms for simply posting a study showing that vitamin D was showing some efficacy against Covid or vitamin C was showing some efficacy. And they lost their entire, like hundreds of thousands of people, they lost their entire Facebook following. They lost everything. And that was very early on. And so I was trying to tell people about this, saying, hey, censorship is happening. And they're like, you're just, you know, you're a white supremacist, Trump supporter, racist. And I was like, what? Like, what does that have anything to do with the fact that my friend just lost like half a million followers and the guy, he got locked out of his Facebook and he can't do business for posting a study? An actual. And these, these studies were in like British medical journal jama, like reputable journals.

They weren't made up. And so the component around, you know, it was about saving lives, right? So now we're seeing some of the stats come out, like 85% of the deaths could have been prevent with early treatment. And actually a discussion around prevention. And that's, you know, why I started out saying the emperor wears no clothes. If it's not as clear as mud now, like, that it isn't about saving lives. Like, there's the propaganda saying we. This is all like, we're gonna put everything in an untested experiment like that. Like, what. What level of infiltration has occurred where these institutions are sullied now? Like, there is no There. There's no trust in public health. The. The big institutions worldwide are. They just have lost all credibility for good reason.

I don't. I don't. I don't. I never trusted any of them, and I certainly don't now. And, you know, I mean, it's too bad again, though, I knew when I. Maybe it was the music I was listening to at the time period I grew up in. You know, I just. I knew when I was 15, 14, 15, that I was. I. I clearly remember waking up around 14, 15 and just screaming at my parents, being like, adults don't know what the hell they're doing. This is all.

That's the youth of every age. Like, that's a normal youth component, I.

Think, you and I, but I don't think a lot of people went through that. How many of your actual. Not your friends, but how many of your actual high school colleagues were rebellious? There was probably just a small group of you. Yeah, yeah. You know, and those people, hopefully, are the ones who are awake to what's happening right now. Like, some of us can just see the matrix and others of us.

So let's talk about it, though. So because this early treatment, there are effective treatments out there. We have tons of research there. You know, Ivermectin got vil, you know, vitamin C. Like, so we don't treat illness. So we will make a big asterisk just so that everybody knows that we treat people. Our belief system is that when you increase your own innate intelligence to create health, you're not hospitable to viruses or other illness. Right. So that's an underpinning of this medicine, which is very different than even functional medicine, doctors or functional medical providers that have a different foundation of understanding. This is a naturopathic component and a chiropractic component of the innate intelligence of the body and how it heals. And so we look at the state of health in, let's just say the United States, because I'm more familiar with it. You said it was 88%, was it? 88% of people have metabolic syndrome. So let's.

They're metabolically unhealthy.

Metabolically unhealthy. So let's. What does that mean?

Well, your metabolism is very intimately tied into your immune response, first of all. So your immune response is not going to work. Not phase one of it, not phase two, not the communication in between, not any of it, not the memory part of it. None of it's going to work if you're metabolisms jacked up. And in fact, it will. What we saw with COVID patients early on was they were getting sick, there was a lull in the first part of their immune response. By the time it caught up and figured out that there was a viral invader, it went into full bore cytokine storm and they melted. I mean, that's essentially what happened. Their organs melted. And people took a lot of offense to me describing it that way. But if you look at the path, you know, the history, this histological, like you can look at these tissues under slides, they're melting from inflammation and it's not nice. I can't help it. I'm just the messenger. And I'm not trying to be trite about any of this. It's very frustrating to me. I think hundreds of thousands of people did not need to die had we handled things differently. But anyway, metabolic health is your blood sugar handling. At the end of the day, how are you handling your, the food you're putting in your mouth? And we eat the standard American diet. It's crummy. You know, you and I have been, you've been in practice longer than I. You and I have been dealing with this forever, right? You run labs on someone, you show them they have metabolic dysfunction. Almost everybody has metabolic dysfunction. And you tell them this is what's leading to your dementia, or this is what's leading to your joint pain, or this is what's leading to your, you know, it's all the same thing. This is what's impacting your heart disease, your high blood pressure, this is why your gut is a mess, this is why you can't lose the fat. Whatever their complaint is that they come in with, there is always usually an underlying issue with metabolic health that needs to be addressed or at least spruced up a bit. And they're always shocked when I tell them they're sitting on the edge of diabetes. They're like, what are you talking about? I'm 40 years old. How is that possible? And, you know, and it's as simple, honestly. I think the easiest way to assess one's metabolic health is just to take your waist circumference. Your waist circumference. Is it like, if that's off, and this is what I told patients, and this is 10 years ago, if your waist circumference was elevated and you had a little bit of a blood pressure elevation and you were not actively lifting weights, I could more than assume that those labs were going to come back with some sort of metabolic dysfunction. Right. Like, pretty, pretty standard. Sometimes I was surprised, but not usually.

And, and it's not those, it's not sexy medicine, right? Like, there's nothing, you know, it's like foundational stuff of like, oh, what you eat matters and you have to move your body and lift weights, like, and sleep. And sleep, right? So some basic things, like we want clear, clean water, air and food, which we don't have because of policies, right? So, like, as, as naturopathic doctors, we're charged with addressing the root cause of illness, which is like, farming policy and emissions from industry and, you know, like, so there's things that aren't. That you aren't controlling as a person on the planet, but there's a lot that you can control on the planet. And as a human, we haven't really been taught how, how resilient we are and actually how powerful we are because our bodies can overcome, we can live with all of that. But when you hit the tipping point, like here, you see, oh, you are Tinder ready to go for any virus coming in here, that your immune system will overreact because you're not metabolically fit, and then you're going to die from a virus, right?

Yes, that's it.

And that we weren't allowed to educate people about that. Like, that to me, is criminal on the highest levels. And though I'm. Unfortunately, I don't think those people will wind up in jail, but they should.

And I spoke on that publicly every day on Instagram, every day. I came to the platform with that message, like your Tinder, basically. And people would get so mad at me and say, well, what about the people who live in food deserts and what about the people who don't have access? And what about my dad who works three jobs and lives in India and doesn't have time to exercise? And what about this and what about that? I'm like, dude, I can't save the World. I'm just trying to educate you on how to make yourself more resilient against being tender to a virus that's going to light you up.

And basically the word is how to take response ability for yourself. Because ultimately we know all of the great traditions. You can't change anything in the world. You can only change what's up in here. And so like again, a part of this platform is educating people on how to make the choices for them that then helps their family, that then helps their community, that then changes the world. Like that is. That's my aim. It's why I get out. It's why I thank people for coming and listening to the show. Because this is what I want to bring to you is actual truth of it's not coming from policy. The government isn't going to save us. The government at this point is for government's sake, like, you know, call whatever on the political spectrum you want. I am in downtown Portland where somehow the culture became woke and found myself isolated. Where I thought, oh, this was a great place to go in the early 90s to retire early, right? Like the, the theme of the, of the Portlandia show. And it was like that. But now you go out there and it's like, what is going on here? Like where it, the, the worm is now in the brain. And so this aspect of the ill people don't understand. We have a diseased, sick society and that is where we need to change. We're shuffling the chairs on the Titanic, talking about keep us safe. It's like, that's absurd. That's an absurd concept.

It's been absurd, you're right, it's been ridiculous. It's been just utter insanity. That's what every single day I am. First of all, I am, I have to say I have a lot of amazing followers. Like I have hundreds of thousands of people across different platforms who follow me and they're. Most of them are amazing. But there are some seriously unintelligent people out there or some just easily triggered who really believe that it's the medical system's fault, it's the government's fault, it's everything is someone else's fault. And it's this victimhood nature that, well, it's policy and you're ableist and that's privilege. And I'm like, dude, I was in bankruptcy but poor as as all get out trying to build my practice as a single mom and I was still finding time to exercise and eat well, that was where the dollars went. That was the budgeting you know, in.

The household, without the sanctity and the integrity of the vessel, we don't have anything. I mean, you ask anybody, when you don't have health, nothing else matters.

Nothing.

And so I think you didn't. It's that responsibility that I think we all encourage, where of course, there's injustice and there's systemic racism and all kinds of things like that do exist. So we're not saying that that doesn't exist, but to just point the finger over there, like saying that that's the cause of it always is missing the change isn't going to happen, right? We get Mahatma Gandhi saying, be the change that you want to see in the world, like that's the only way it's going to happen is the. Internally, you do it. Like that's the. Unfortunately, it's not sexy. But I do think we can change it like that in a flash if we get enough people tuned into that. On, well, what do you do? So over the last two years, because it's not just over the last two years, this is actually the truth for you as a human operating that operating system. What do people like? What do you recommend on a general. On general basics. Because you talk about that. You share this every day on your platforms.

Dr. Yeah, basic stuff, easy stuff. Go for a walk every day, preferably do it after a meal, especially if there's carbohydrates, right? Just good old Naturopathic Medicine 101. Go for a walk after meals, get outside in the sunlight, get fresh air. Look at your relationships and job and life and look at your stressors because they are impacting you more than you could believe. And start to really look at who you let close into your inner circle because that will. Who you surround yourself with is who you become, period. Right? The top five people you surround yourself with is who you will become. So I avoid sick people. I do. I don't hang out with sick people. I have a very sickly family member who I love dearly, but I won't hang out with them more than 20 minutes because I don't need it. It's contagious. It literally is via the biome. Like, I don't need it. Cut refined sugar out. Just get rid of it. It's crack. It's meant to hijack your entire brain and make, you know, this, this programming that we speak of. You said 30 years. It's been going on. My whole life I've been watching, especially the past 30 years. We're old enough to know this. They got us to a place where we were slow, sick, dumb and fat and completely bought into the pharmaceutical ads on the television. So Big Daddy Pharma was going to save you. Nanny Government State was going to save you. They got everybody bought into this prior to the launch of the Situation. And so it was really easy to convert everybody's brains quickly to, you know, via the fear factory narrative of propaganda, because everybody was already slow, sick, fat and dumb. And I don't mean any of that derogatorily. It's just really humans in general, across the globe at this point, or an atrocious situation. I think this was a moderate virus that our forefathers would have handled just fine, but humans as a species were too sickly to handle it. I would add in their strength train, right? And people say, I can't, I can't. How dare you say that? I can't afford anything. And I'm like, fill some milk jugs up with water. Fill them up with sand or dirt. You can get playground sand for two bucks a bag at the store. There's ways to find things that are heavy to pick up. There is so much information on the Internet. It just takes you sitting down and learning and committing yourself. And you know this as well as I do. We each have our own books out, right? How many of our patients actually ever read the damn book? Nobody reads the book. Everybody takes the book. And nobody wants to sit down and read. Nobody wants to sit down and watch the free portal of education I send them. Nobody wants to sit down. And even. Nobody even wants to look past my post and read the caption.

That is why programming.

Yeah, but people have been programmed to be dumb and they've accepted it. You know, if you spend too much time on social media and then you turn around and go to read a book, it's, it's for a minute that hurts my brain. I have to sit there and be like, okay, I have to read this paragraph.

I actually have to get off all social media. It was, it was not. It's not healthy, right? It is. I just can't check in. I mean, I have. My team helps post on there, but it just, it isn't healthy because it is programmed to create dopamine. And you know, your attention span starts to change. You know, I was finding myself irritable, depressed, upset, angry, like manipulated emotionally. It was like, oh gosh, like I want to use it for good. But it's really trash, social media trash. You know, a 10,000 engineers on the other side of that screen that have studied how to manipulate the human. And, you know, you look at. I think that the younger generation. I have children, you have kids. It's like they're on it all the time, and they're, you know, and in the arrogance of youth. And I admit, I was there at 1.2. He knew it all, and they know it all. They're like, oh, we know that that's happening, and we can handle it. It's like, yeah, no, I don't think so.

It's terrible. Yeah, it's just trash. It's program trash for the brain. There is a book out called the Coddling of the American Mind, and it's written by two professors who explain how this happened. And it really started on college campuses in around 2013, which is when the Igen generation came to college age. And that's the group of individuals like my daughter and probably some of your kids who were, you know, the advent of social media was right at the most formidable time in their life. And so they would have entered college around 2013 or so. And the. Yeah, that's where we got. We got cancel culture. We got tribalism. We got, you know, bad versus good intention is no longer considered. If you happen to just fumble some words out of your mouth, if they are perceived as violence by another, you are to blame, regardless of whether you intended them to be that way or not. You know, this is the culture we live in. And it got us it. It started very clearly in 2013. It escalated during, of course, Trump coming to office. Things got really messy. Both sides, extremism on both sides, and led us to where we are today, where this was just a, you know, it was. The society was a tinder, just ready, like, just needed a match. And, you know, human beings as a whole were so volatile. And this. These ideas have permeated across the globe. By now or prior to Covid, they had made their way across the globe. And so cancel culture, you know, is a big one. I think people I coach doctors in marketing, and, you know, you had to go online. That was kind of part of the job. You had to go online. And I cannot tell you how many of these docs were just completely terrified to put themselves out there. A lot of it came from lack of confidence. But more importantly, particularly in our profession of naturopathic medicine, they were terrified of what their colleagues would think of them and how their colleagues would respond. And whenever anyone listening who is an entrepreneur who's had to put themselves out there, knows your friends, colleagues and family attack first. Right? Always expect it. It's a given. They're not going to understand what you're doing and they're going to come down on you on the hardest. Right. They're going to critique you the hardest, first off. So that's very interesting. And our profession, I think is wrought with that at this point. We didn't used to be like that, but we are now. Putting yourself out there with a differing opinion often leaves you alone. And human beings are tribal by nature. We don't survive unless we travel in packs. If you're ostracized and removed from the pack or kicked out of the pack or you don't have a pack that you can join because your ideas are weird, yeah, you die. I have always been a lone wolf. I always moved. I mean, I feel like I trained for this my whole life. My parents always moved me around. I was always alone and making new friends or having to make new friends. I'm fine alone. I don't need a tribe. I have a very close knit group of people who are my tribe and I know that we'll handle the zombie apocalypse just fine. I know how to source what I need and I know how to find the people who are truth tellers and who have skill sets, but I don't hang out with people who don't have skill sets and who aren't truth tellers, you know, And I think a lot of people found during this pandemic that they had surrounded themselves throughout their lives with the wrong people and it was so they stayed quiet so they could just stay with the tribe, you know.

Yeah, I mean, I definitely, I heard from lots of patients with differing viewpoints of like, gosh, I'm the only one that thinks this way and I experienced it as well. I think a lot of people did. Right. Because you're, you're kind of isolated and then you realize, like, who actually is around me and do I really want to be here? Right. So it was really, I think that, you know, I'll just keep coming back to the emperor wears no clothes. So you either you either see it or you submit. Right. And in that component, I think a lot of people didn't have the energy, didn't have the bandwidth and whatever the choices were, are they were the right choices for that person. Right. We're not going to put blame on anybody. At the same time, everybody is feeling like things aren't right. And if we do want to make the change that, you know, I like to say, you know, I, I help people get their health back so that they can create from their heart. So we create the more beautiful world our hearts know and desire. Like that's, that's where I want to live. That's where I want my family to live. That's where I want my community to be. And there aren't a lot of people taking a stand for people. Right. This, this concept of, and I heard it so many times of like for the collective we, we have to do it for the collective we. It's like, but if the collective we doesn't include me, that's not okay. Like where did that. Like there's this kind of, this tribalism collectivism of we're doing it for the greater good, but we've been sold the wrong thing. Like, you know, we're seeing with people with getting multiple boosters, it is wrecking their innate immunity. Like it what I think now what a Booster gets you 28 days of potential benefit. 28 days. Like what we're talking about is taking responsibility for your health and having a lifetime of benefit for that in a myriad of ways. Right. So this component around, I guess you touched on a couple points that I want to come back into. But you were talking about the tribalism, the fear programming. We also kind of laid that out before we got on the show today of now. I mean we have like the British government saying they admit they used too much of psychological treatment on the people of the uk, which also spread to the US and all of the eu. Too much psychological treatment. So they are using psychological operations to manipulate people's behaviors. Right. And they have admitted that that's in the news, it's published, printed in papers that doesn't get reported on mainstream media. And people don't understand like that we're up against some significant, significant programming.

Yep, it's true. And it's, it happens quickly. You know, it takes about two weeks for. So the fear hit the. Watching the news and the cases and the fear, the fear of the fear factory that's people could tune into every night on their nightly news. And the ticker and the numbers, I only saw it twice at my mother in law's house. And I was like, this is ridiculous. I can't believe anyone's falling for this. But man, people were in deep by then. What people don't realize is that the same company that owns Fox News owns cnn. There is no better side here. And owns a very vested interest in the pharmaceutical industry. Like this goes like you said, there's six people, there's a few companies that own the world. This isn't Rocket Science. And this isn't conspiracy theory. So, you know, people. I also don't think people realize that true evil does exist and that humans could be this malicious and do such a thing. I think it doesn't even occur to them that that could be such a truth. But the fear programming happens very quickly, and it gets wired hardwired into your amygdala and limbic system, which is like your lizard brain, if you will. It's your primordial brain. And a lot of pain, physical pain comes from that system. A lot of emotion comes from that system. And the dopamine hits. That's all part of it, right? So people got basically wired for fear very quickly. And then those fear hits, give them the dopamine. I see it on my platform. I see people wanting the sensationalism on either side. It doesn't. Like I said, it doesn't matter what side you're on. They're just like sensationalism. And if I don't give them sensationalism, they don't follow. They unfollow follow. If I give them hard truths, they're like, you're a terrible person. I'm like, no, this is actually just reality. I'm sorry, it sucks. It's not sexy. I could be sexy saying it and I lose more followers. So it's just where we are. And so people got programmed very early to live in that fear state. We already have a lot of people living in a fear state. I think actually looking back on all of it, and I'm able to be more objective because I'm further away from it now, but I feel like people are, in general, so sickly and so out of touch with their bodies. You know this from practicing for so long. So many people are out of their bodies. I used to. My job was to literally put needles in people. And I can't tell you how many people were just completely physically disconnected from their bodies. It was very weird to me. And they don't trust their body. They don't trust their health. People like you and I, who take active care of ourselves, and we actively engage in health, you know, rituals every single day and rhythms and routines. I trust my immune system. I know what it's got because I built it. You know, I built this body. I was a sickly, chronically ill person. I remember when I was 19, a doctor saying, it's going to take one good virus to take you out. You know, so I've been there, and I've rebuilt several times, and I trust my system. And so there's no fear and I don't have a fear of death either. I think a lot of people had to actually look fear, a real potential fear in the eye and it terrified them. And they wanted big daddy government to, to help them and they didn't realize mainstream media was lying to them and owned by everybody, you know, in those higher tiers. So for me it was like, well, if the virus takes me out, it's going to take me out, but I'm going to give it my best shot and I got great tools and great people to help me.

So let's talk through the physiology of fear and what actually is happening. Because it is, it's real, right? I mean it's a, it's a real experience and then you kind of, you don't see out of it. And, and I think, yeah, entirely the flip side of fear, I think, is love. And you know, I say I treat heart centered, dynamic beings moving through time and space and I treat from the heart. It's, I think one of my superpowers is my big heart. You know, I got that out of a love beaming chapter from Soraya, who was my wife who left her body. But she was, you know, fierce champion for freedom, medical freedom, choice and you know, free thinking. And she was a major love beamer. And you know, I encourage people to join the tribe of Love Beamers because you can actually feel it when you're around people that operate that way on the planet and around fear. Like you can see it's fine. You know, it's not like we're not making fun of people and it's a real sensation and it's deep. Right? Because you're talking about the amygdala and the limbic system and where that, that gets programmed into every cell of your body. So maybe walk us through that because I think there, well, I do know there's a lot of healing that has to happen and it's ingrained. Like once those patterns are set up, then we're talking about trauma, right?

Yeah, right. Hardcore. So the amygdala and limbic system are deep in the brainstem. They're right smack in the middle of your brain, deep. And in studies looking at the amygdala and pain, those who had lived in depression and had adverse childhood events when subjected to mri. This was something we learned back in school in chiropractic college when disturbing visuals were shown to them or upsetting things or fear based things that amygdala would light up. So it had become hardwired to want It. Anyone who suffered from depression or chronic pain or chronic illness knows this feeling of, like, sometimes that depression is like a warm, comfortable. It's like a comforter. I've been there. I lived in chronic depression for most of my life. And it's like, sometimes it just kind of puts its arms around you like a big dragon and says, it's okay, come on in. Go back to bed. Let me bring you back into the darkness. And you're like, that's familiar. Okay. And so I think a lot of people have been subjected to some kind of trauma in their past life or in their life, you know, in their younger years, adverse childhood events. And this whole thing has been very triggering to people. And the way they did it as such a psyop has been so psychologically damaging that people, I think, fell into familiar patterns that they had already been a part of in their life. And they don't realize they're being gaslit. It. They don't realize that they're being controlled by extreme narcissism. And then when someone like me be the messenger of truth, they get mad because they're like, how dare you point out the obvious? Because I'm putting a mirror on them. I'm like, this is really happening. I know it's your, like, worst nightmare, but it's actually happening, and they don't want to hear it. And so I think. And then the dopamine, the neurotransmitter component. Yeah, I'm just speaking in terms of, like, the actual physical things.

Yeah.

But like you said, I mean, there's a whole spiritual component to this, too. I think this whole pandemic has been. It's a. It's spiritual warfare, and there is darkness and there is good, and I am a warrior of light, but I'm not like a love and light fairy. I'm like a warrior of light with big wings and a sword, you know, And I. I'm going to draw blood if I have to, and I'm going to die on this sword if I have to. But there's people who just, I think, are starting to wake up, and I thank God people are starting to wake up. But I think that there's. There's a lot of people who have bought in so heavily and have been so complicit and therefore responsible for what's going on in their complicity and in their compliance. So I do. I want to say, oh, it's okay, Mrs. Smith, that you were so compliant and you just did everything because you're a rule follower. But I actually think it's the rule followers who got us in this pickle in the first place. If so many people hadn't just bought into what they knew in their soul was wrong and off, we wouldn't be in this position. And that's not even to speak of the actual physical consequences and fallout of what's happening with the vaccine, which we don't have to get into, but it's real. And I talk about it on my blog, which I'll, I'll share the link with. But you know, there's, there's going to be some serious fallout. And then there's the whole thing that I keep seeing in Portland of like grown adults with no mask on because the mandates have been lifted and we've got little kids wearing the mask, like some kind of binky, some kind of soothy. You know, it's like, like, it's like the little, you know, the young boys you see who won't take off their Spider man outfits and they have, there's some therapy that needs to happen for them to actually show their faces. The same thing is happening with masks. Kids are terrified of breathing because they've been programmed that they're going to kill their grandma. I mean, it's, psychologically we are going to see. I am not, I am not excited for the next few decades on what we're going to see. And then the low grade hypoxia that's been induced on these brains has caused, I believe, low grade brain damage. Low grade hypoxia. You've seen it with patients who are severely anemic. I've seen complete psychotic breaks in patients who were severely anemic because of the low grade brain hypoxia that's occurred from the anemia. And the minute you make them iron replete, they psychologically balance out. Right. And so there's, there's ties to schizophrenia there, there's all kinds of things that we're going to see from children and from adults that it concerns me. I don't know if there's going to be like a great recovery from this. Not to be negative, but it's.

No, and that's fine. You know, I'm a radical optimist.

So you're a hippie.

I truly am.

I know, that's why I love you.

Very grateful for that. So in the closing component of our, of our podcast today, what are, what are some steps that people can take? Like, we are, you know, we brought up, I like this word responsibility. And it is, we are responsible for this space here. And so taking control, the components. Like, I know for me getting into an exercise regime, I have to get back on the horse continually. It's not like you just start and now you're golden. It's like no life happens and you get busy and you fall off the horse, Right? So you have to get back on the horse. So how do you coach people? Or what are your suggestions to get people kind of started? Like, let's say we're in couch potato mode. Somehow we fell off the horse and you're here in this discussion with Dr. Tina and Greg today.

I always say pick three things and put sticky notes around your house with those three things and try to narrow them down to one word. So for sugar addicts, sugar. Just put the word sugar on there. Reprogram your brain. I reprogram my brain to believe that sugar is poison. I literally program, you know, so when I walk into Starbucks, I'm like, that whole, that whole cookie scene is poison, Right? So get yourself around three things. Go for a walk, go to bed on time, cut sugar. I mean that alone. Just those three things. Just go for a walk every day, go to bed on time and cut your sugar. And then you will gain strength and you will gain wisdom and insight and you can choose to continue on the journey because there is a whole lit of things you and I do every day. But that takes buildup. So start with the basics.

And I love it. I love it. Let's be explicit with what you mean. Go to bed on time.

Go to bed by 9:30 at the latest and get up with the sun around, you know, 6. 6:30.

Yeah, yeah. That component of going to bed after 10 o', clock, you start burning your growth hormone and that will age you quickly. And I know for a lot of folks listening, it's like 9:30. That's so fricking early. Like I just put my kids to bed like it was me time. Now they want me to go to bed. But it is, you know, you pick your battles and sometimes you pick your nose, but it is. Those are, you know, very simple recommendations. But to actually put them into practice takes discipline.

Discipline.

It takes routine and it takes responsibility. Like nobody else is going to show up for you. You need to show up for you. And we know that now more than ever. And when you start showing up for you, guess what? Other people start showing up for you, but you got to fill your cup first. Dr. Tina, I thank you so much for this conversation. And you know, we rambled through there, but we got it done and I think you know folks this is why we do what the health I am bringing on top notch experts in the field and that are really out in the trenches. They are fighting for our health. They are really trying to get the word out around truth and really it is about thriving. We want us all to thrive like we understand. We are in it together in this fashion. We are not asking you to sacrifice anything for us. So Dr. Tina, thank you so much.

Thank you so much for having me Greg. It is always a pleasure to talk to you. If people want to hear more they can follow me on Instagram and check out my podcast the Dr. Tina shows and get their facts and become educated and empowered And I appreciate you having me on.

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