54: Shocking Dental Dangers Linked to Cancer That Your Dentist Isn't Telling You with Dr. Gerry Curatola

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Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Keeping a Breast Podcast. I AM your host, Dr. Jen Simmons, and do I have a treat for you. Today we are going to dive deep into the mouth body connection, which is a topic that I have learned more and more about over the last few years, but was never introduced to me in all of my training as a physician, in all of my training as a cancer doctor. And it's only recently that I have become aware of this huge connection between your oral health, the oral microbiome, and your overall health, and not to mention the huge connection between your oral health and the development of breast cancer. So I have what is probably the world's expert here with us Today, I have Dr. Jerry Curtola. And he will be shining the light, no pun intended, in an area where we all need to see and know about. And this is something that we cannot hide from anymore. And not only is he going to help to educate us, educate us, but he's actually on a mission to educate the entire field of dentistry and opening a department in NYU and such amazing, exciting stuff. So, Dr. Curatola, welcome. I'm so happy to have you.

I'm happy to be here, Dr. Jen. It's going to be an exciting, exciting talk. It is.

So this isn't an ageist comment, but I want to talk a little bit about how you even got into biologic dentistry or holistic dentistry or whatever you want to call it, because I can't imagine when you trained, there was a lot of talk in this area.

Absolutely. Like I like to say, when I graduated New York University's College of Dentistry, which, by the way, I was the keynote Alumni speaker last night, as a matter of fact, two dental students, dental faculty, dental alumni.

All the world's a circle, a filled room.

Yeah. All the world's a circle. And I have a daughter who is, you know, made a choice for dentistry later in life. She's in her second year of dental school and she started as an artist, so Amazing. Thank you, thank you. She's like, dad, please tone it down on the root canals and the fluoride and all this talk. But.

So, you know, is she worried that, that that discredits you or where do you think that concern came from?

That's a good question. Yeah, because I had a long talk with her about that. She, in her first year, spoke out about fluoride, spoke against dental fluoride, which is like the sacred cow of preventative dentistry. And she's like, you know, my father shared with me that There are over 60 studies that drinking fluoridated water lowers IQ in children. And that fluoride is a toxic halide chemical. They had to put a poison warning on toothpaste that had sodium fluoride. And, you know, all these things. Like there's over 20 studies linking, you know, fluoride, a toxic halide chemical, to osteoporosis. And so. And they literally, her classmates like turned on her. It's like this group thinking. So I did talk about the dangers of root canal. I did talk about fluoride. I did talk about all of it, but I did it in an evidence based, scientific manner with the PubMed studies, with everything that were backing up what I was talking about. I mean, there were people, there were dental professors were in the audience that were like, look like they swallowed a swallowed hot potato.

Yeah. Is that, is that scary for you? Or are you firm enough in your position and status in your field to be able to be the proverbial Teflon?

Actually, you know, it's interesting. I'm a clinical professor at nyu. I have a research wing named after me at nyu. There's a Curatola wing for clinical research. I've been associated with the faculty and been a notable alumni for many, many years. So I don't really care, I don't really care what they think. I honestly think the important thing is to wake up as many of the next generation of dentists that are out there, because I find there's an interesting place where they will be open to the principles of biologic dentistry, which I defined last night to 150 people. What is biologic dentistry? It is an evidence based approach. It is Rooted in the principles of European biologic medicine, it looks at the mouth as both a mirror and gateway to the whole body. It understands that the body wants to regulate and heal, even from cancer. When we eliminate interferences in the field and in English, that is chronic inflammation and toxicity and the effects they have on the body's ability to self regulate and heal. And I gave case after case and I talked about the importance of promoting peace with your microbes. In other words, the human microbiome project made it very, very clear that our oral microbiome, our gut microbiome, genitourinary microbiome, skin microbiome, all of these, you know, communities of organisms that live in and on our bodies keep us alive. They aid in. They're an intricate part. As a matter of fact, the oral microbiome is intricately connected with your immune system.

Just like the gut microbiome is.

Correct. Correct. So when I. So it's interesting that when I came out of dental school in 1983, that's why they call me the father of biologic dentistry, because it's all the gray hair. But it is 1983, I felt very equipped, graduating in the top of my class, very equipped and a very, you know, I love the artistic side of dentistry. I was a neuroscience major in college and an art minor. You know, so I always loved working with my hands. And so the, you know, they always say dentist, D is for doctor, en is for engineer, you know, reconstructing bites and bridge work and everything. And then the tist is for artists. And I love, you know, the. The engineering. I love the artistry. But the doctor part, I felt like I was a mechanic of teeth instead of a physician, a physician of the mouth. And that was the part that always was a disconnect for me. That started me on the path in 1983 to enroll in the first program in the United States, a master's program in holistic health. It was called. It was a master's in holistic health. And it was being given by Dr. Alan Pressman, who was a chiropractor in Manhattan. And he put together this group of people in nutrition and wellness at that time, which we're talking about 41 years ago, that probably the first functional medicine program, but they didn't call it that at that time. Jeffrey Bland sort of was the person who coined the term functional medicine.

Yeah.

And what does that. What does that mean? But it's interesting. It was only until I got to Germany and Switzerland. So I did a program in holistic health, and then I. 1998 and 1999, Harvard Medical School. 97, 98. Dr. David Eisenberg @ Harvard Medical School introduced a program in complementary and alternative medicine. And I said, gee, you know, I should go to that. Let me go deeper down, you know, the rabbit hole here and see, you know, are there other systems of medicine that recognize the importance of the mouth as connected to the body, not disconnected? Because you went to medical school, I went to dental school, and they. They took us apart 150 years ago.

Yeah.

And they are dentistry for medicine. So my brother is a physician, you know, went to Yale Medical School. His daughter, you know, just finished her residency at Mass General, and she went to Columbia Medical School. And they both said, we did about five days on the mouth out of four years. It was. There was no. They did. They did total of. In four years of medical school, five days on the mouth. So. And then dentists here, you know, now dentists are.

I actually don't even remember that much, but I'll trust. I'll trust that that's correct.

Yes. I think you got maybe five days. The reality is that huge disconnect really set up an inherent flaw in our healthcare system. The ability to work in an integrated fashion and to recognize that you're seeing patients diagnosed with breast cancer or in treatment for breast cancer that never heard from their doctors about the fact that there are 10 different sources of toxicity and inflammation in the mouth that can dysregulate their immune system. And as we know, you know, cancer doesn't fly in and set up shop. It's the end stage of dysregulation. And. And. But the body can also re. Regulate. So I. I actually in. In my 40 years, seen, you know, amazing things happen when you. You know, when people act proactively to eliminate the toxicity and inflammation, how their mouths want to regulate again, how their body. Excuse me. The body wants to regulate and heal. But I was starting to talk about the path that I took, and when I got to Germany, Switzerland, to. And it was really. Because when I came out of the Harvard program, I had an RN who was doing holistic nutrition out near my office on Long Island. And excuse me. She was. Came into my practice. She was a patient. And she said, jerry, there's a change in my medical history. You know, I was just diagnosed with breast cancer. And I was like, oh, Barbara, I'm so sorry to hear that. Are you going to Sloan? And she said, hell, no. I'm going to the Paracelsus Clinic in Germany to be treated by Dr. Thomas Rao. RA you. Not Rao. The Rao's place, but Rau. And then in the next breath, she said, do you know Thomas? And I was like, no. She's like, you need to know Thomas, because Thomas is the first medical doctor that if you have breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer, autoimmune disease, chronic lung, da, da, da, da. First thing he says is, open your mouth. And that is very different than the way most physicians would look at this, including Sloan Kettering or any of these places.

Yeah.

So it was really interesting. You know, the sun is coming down here. I think I'm going to move over a little bit over here.

Okay. But, you know, as I said in the beginning, never. Never. Not once. And I have a lot of higher education. I went to medical school. I did a surgical residency. I did a breast disease fellowship. Never, Never did we talk about any kind of connection between what's happening in the mouth and what's happening in the rest of the body, especially as it relates to breast disease. So I get it that you went seeking this information because it wasn't available to you.

No.

You used really interesting words, and you. You. You said, what woke you up? So I. I want to know, because I feel like there's a thing. There must have been a thing. I mean, what woke you up?

A patient came to me, you know, after I had been at Paracelsus and met Thomas Rao and was following and understanding that, okay, I'm not crazy. I came out of dental school, and I know what's going on in the mouth has to have an effect on the body. You know, then they used to say things like heavy metals in the mouth. Right. Dental amalgam fillings. The first thing that dysregulates the thyroid is, you know, heavy metals. And here are dentists, 46% of them still putting these, you know, toxic fillings in the mouth. I call them toxic fillings because mercury is the most neurotoxic element on earth. And so there's a chronic amount of hypothyroidism and all this other stuff. And yet these people, you know, and they're. And they're detoxing from heavy metals, and they have dental amalgam in their teeth. And then if you stick a drill into that amalgam filling, it makes a cloud of mercury vapor. Where OSHA would literally shut down a dental office for unsafe levels of mercury exposure if they came in with a mercury vapor analyzer. When a dentist is unsafely drilling out an amount of filling and he's breathing that stuff in too. And by the way, Dennis are not really healthy. They have the highest rates of depression and suicide. They got a lot of neurological disease.

Well, they used to, you know, mercury exposure. Is that why they have all.

I think it's. I honestly, I think it's multifactorial. But the other issue is, are they toxic with mercury? And many of them are. Many of them are. And so, you know, Alzheimer's, dementia, depression, anxiety, you know, all of these things are the byproducts. You know, the symptoms of Alzheimer's disease and the symptoms of mercury toxicity are almost identical line for line. And, you know, we have an epidemic of dementia and cognitive decline and, you know, and Alzheimer's disease almost like, you know, people are almost looking at it like, yeah, when I get older, you know, I'm going to, you know, you know, my mother has it, my father had it, and all this stuff. The reality is that is not how we're supposed to live. But the aha moment for me, which, getting back to what you asked, was when I took out an infected root canal on a lower molar, which is energetically on a. On a meridian for the lungs and the colon and the left lower molars. And the. Are usually connected with the left side, the right lower molars to the right side. And this woman had an infection in a left lower molar, and it was. And she had a tumor in her lung. And they were actually going to. They were talking about resecting or possibly taking out her lung. And I took out the root canal that was infected. And in a matter of five weeks, the tumor had shrunk to 25% of the size. They scared her into getting it out, got doing a little resection of the remaining tumor, and it was benign. And so it was. I was like, this is just too, too crazy. But it started to make me realize that we are, you know, it's really important that Dennis understand that what's going on in the mouth is, you know, a mirror and a gateway for the body. So I went down the whole thing, and then I wrote. Did you get my book?

I did.

I said that to you.

I did get the book, but I'm getting the book. I'm getting the book.

I'm sending it to you.

Well, you don't have to send it to me. I'll get the book.

Okay. The, you know, I wrote this book for the layperson, so it's very easy to read. You know, I had a good editor from Random House for years, and she worked on Dr. Oz's books. And Dr. Perricone and all these people. Anyway, she was really fascinated with this because we really got into how the mouth is a mirror of what's going on in the body, but also very important gateway. And I've had so many dentists and emails. Like Jerry, I learned so much from the book that I never learned in dental school before. So it's, it's important that, you know, dentists wake up at this point. And that's a big part of my, my desire at this stage of my life is to really mentor and teach other dentists, you know, what they should be doing the right way that they may not have been taught in dental school. And ultimately you alluded to earlier, you know, I'm working on building a center, you know, with New York University for the first center for biologic and biomimetic dentistry, you know, in the country.

So for people who don't understand what that means, can you, can you help to define that? I know that, I know that you defined it last night for your audience, but can you define it for this audience who is maybe not as savvy with the vocabulary?

And, and yeah, it's really important to do that because there's a lot of dentists out there that, putting up the biologic shingle. I'm biologic. You know, they join a club called the International Academy of Oral Medicine Toxicology. And they, they, they learn to take mercury out safely. But they really don't understand what the term biologic dentistry is. They use it. You know, it used to be holistic dentistry, integrative dentistry. You know, I've heard functional dentistry. You know, they mimic the titles that they used in medicine. But biologic dentistry is rooted in the, historically rooted in the principles of European biologic medicine, which is really been around and refined for over 5,000 years. It's, it's looks at the body as a, a life force that there's a divine life force that we have. And in Ayurvedic medicine they call it prana, and in Chinese medicine they call it chi. And in the Western world, you know, it would be your spirit. But in biologic medicine, they call it the field. And it is, you know, as an electromagnetic potential extends a foot now from your body and it gives you the divine capacity to self regulate and heal. And with that we recognize that regulation and healing occurs on five levels. We have a microbial level, biochemical level, energetic level, psycho, emotional and spiritual connection. And if people who are like, oh, I don't believe in that, and this and that are Disconnected. That's like being disconnected on a spiritual plane is like not plugging your Tesla in to recharge. You know, you drive so far and then it gets. But believe it or not, the way you keep that field vibrant is to stay connected from, you know, what we call the. The crown chakra to source, I call God. And they call this the Antakarana Bridge. And in. In Ayurveda, they call it the Antakarana Bridge. And it' it's the Christ consciousness, you know, the light connecting to source. And that's how we stay vibrant. And so this kind of turned me on because, I mean, it was like beyond just a physical plane. And we understand right now that, you know, we are mind, body, spirit. That is not a cliche. That is a reality.

Yeah.

And we've been able to measure the potential of that field. And so it helps understand. Most doctors are familiar with the microbial level, the biochemical pathways. Some of them, they get the energetic pathways. They may not be totally straight with it, but they understand it enough to know that there are meridians that flow through the body where energy and right there in the fascia. So when you get on acupuncture and it goes just below the dermis and skin and you're into this fascia, which they've actually identified neurovascular bundles that correspond to energy flow to all different parts of the body. The interesting thing about the whole meridian chart and everything is the fact that you could look up the tooth organ relationship chart, and there are meridians from your teeth to all different organ systems. And one of the biggest meridian clusters are the upper molars, the upper first molar and second molar. Those are connected to your breast, your stomach, your thyroid. On the upper right side, it's your pancreas, and the upper left side, it's your spleen. And so you have all these meridians, from these teeth to these different organ systems, which when I first. It was shown to me in. At the Harvard Medical School program in Complementary and Alternative Medicine, they put that chart up, it was back in 97. And I looked at it and I was like, this is voodoo. You know, this can't be real. And I never heard it before, of course, or anything like that. But the more I studied it and the more I've recognized and tested it in my practice, the more real it is. And so a friend of mine, Dr. Stuart Nunnally, also a holistic dentist for years, and he did a meta analysis of women with breast cancer, and he found that I think was over 85% or 86% had a root canal on the same side that the tumor was discovered on, from the upper molars, the upper first molars. And he found that it was just ridiculous how many were there, because in my opinion, root canal is the one procedure that we kind of thought we perfected after World War II. The idea of taking all the guts of a tooth out and basically doing taxidermy or, or embalming the tooth, keeping it in the head and putting a nice pretty cap on it as it turns black underneath, that, that's okay. And, and it works. And the reality is it does not. As a matter of fact, anything dead in the human body, no matter what it is, will decompose, it will break down, it will what we call osteo necrosis. Right. Necrosis. It will necros. And so histological studies on root canal teeth have shown 100% of root canal teeth produce endotoxins, which are bacteria and bacterial product byproducts that are source of chronic inflammation and toxicity. Yeah, I take, I take these teeth out routinely and I do pathology studies on what's growing on them. And I almost always see parasites, even mold, antibiotic resistant bacteria. Those are super bugs, you know, they're antibiotic resistant, so they do not respond well to chemotherapy of antibiotics or anything like that. And you know, parasites, of course, you know, as, you know, you know, are a hot topic in the cancer world.

Yeah.

That every cancer has a parasite attached and yada, yada.

Yeah, well, and it's a huge source of inflammation for people. And absolutely. People confuse being asymptomatic with not having anything wrong. So there are many, many people who. One of the first conversations I have with people when they get a breast cancer diagnosis and come to me for help, I say, what's in your mouth? Do you have any nettle? Have you had any root canals? And they say, my mouth is fine, I have no pain, I have no pain, my mouth is fine.

Same people. I do the same thing I do in medical history and I go, how's your health? How's your, how's your overall health? I started using, you know, and they're like, oh, I'm great, great. I'm fine.

I'm on an anti hypertensive.

I'm on beta blocker.

I'm on Lipitor. I take an antidepressant.

They're on Armor All. They're on, you know, the thyroid. Yeah.

But I'm fine, I'm great. Right. And we are so disconnected from health. We are so disconnected from Health. That said, you can have an infection in your mouth, you can have a cavitation in your mouth and be asymptomatic, and it doesn't mean it's not causing you problems.

Shortly, in about a couple of months back, a woman came to me, and, you know, she was referred by a friend, and she was, you know, she wanted veneers and. And, you know, she wanted to improve her smile. And we routinely do a 3D cone beam, which we can talk about and what it shows. Yeah, but we routinely do a 3D comb. And this woman comes in, and I didn't even see her yet. They usually do the records ahead of me coming in to do the examination and. But I happened to, like, pass in the room, and I saw her cone beam. She had two root canals on the first molars. One was so infected, it was draining into her sinus, her maxillary sinus. The other one just had a big cyst around the end of the root, which we call cavitations. And those kinds of. The cavitation is a hole in the jaw shows up as black. So whether it was a cyst or just space, they were definitely failing root canals. And I said to her, which was the most hard thing. I said, hi, you know, nice to meet you. Just looking at your skin, I said, do you have any problems with your breast? And she looked at me like a deer in the headlights. And she's like, I just had a double mastectomy at Sloan Kettering, and they found a tumor, a cancerous tumor in the. Her right breast. And it was on the upper right side where it was draining into the sinus. It was so bad. And then the other one she was having, there were changes and cysts and things like that, and they opted, since they were precancerous, they shot there for a double mastectomy. But then, you know, I said, I am so sorry. You know, I was just looking. And, you know, there's a. There is a correlation here. But I want you to know that even though you had a double mastectomy, you still have to eliminate the toxicity and inflammation and inflammation. Because there are things called breast cancer stem cells, and they go to the woman, by the way, the woman that I took the tooth out on the bottom that had the lung tumor. She went to three dentists, three dentists, to general dentists. One ended that all said, oh, the root canal looks beautiful. I'm going to move chairs again because I got looks like I'm being.

But this is a legitimate problem because I send people to Go have their mouth checked out. And I always tell them, you need. You need a 3D cone beam and you need to. You need to discuss with them that you've had root canals, that you've. That. I mean, I think the mercury thing is a little more obvious, although there are still plenty of unsafe mercury removal happening.

Absolutely, absolutely.

I heard recently about someone who was still using mercury fillings because that's what the insurance paid for or some crazy story like that. So there's still a lot of very archaic dentistry going on and people being told by their dentist that, well, my breast surgeon sent me and she said that I need this taken care of. And they said, go tell your breast surgeon to stay in her lane.

What?

Yeah, yeah. That there's nothing wrong.

So I. And, you know, that's the ignorance that exists. And, you know, there are. There are. You know, I mean it. When it goes around all the time in medicine and dentistry where, you know, it's group thinking and anybody who thinks outside of the box gets attacked. And the interesting part of this is that I hear dentists say, I don't believe in that. And I'm like, you don't believe in the science or you don't. You just refuse to think that anything exists outside of what you learned in school, that they're, you know, staying. I always say, like, staying healthy today is like walking through a minefield. And our job is to help you help our patients navigate that minefield. Yeah. And. And it's. It's amazing. But so anyway, the woman in Texas, she went to two General dentistry with the root canal filled with fur. It looks great. It looks great. So there were two issues there. One is. And then the endodontist said the same thing. No one did 3D. Okay. So everyone on this podcast should have a 3D cone beam number one.

Because if you read the still images, you're oftentimes going to miss it. Right.

Two dimensional, you know, is, for example, you know, on the mandible, when you take an X ray of a tooth, you can have bone here and bone here superimposed over my head. And where my head is, is the cavitation or the infection.

Yeah.

You can't see it. So I had a. I had a woman here. This is, this is a great talk because I had a woman just this morning. She had gone through three dentists, her endodontist three times, by the way, the endodontist, she kept saying, the tooth hurts. He did a root canal. The root canal specialist endodontist did a. Did a root canal Upper. Upper molar, by the way, it's right on the breast meridian and upper first molar. And she kept saying, it hurts, it hurts, it hurts. X rays, this and that. So he decides he's going in to carpet bomb and he puts her on clindamycin. She gets C. Diff.

I was gonna say that's coming.

Yeah.

For people who don't know what that is, that is an awful GI Infection. And it requires very heavy duty antibiotics to clear that up, which then causes more problems in the gu because you destroy your microbiome. And once you're colonized with C. Diff, you can have that problem over and over and over again because you really.

Don'T care about that. Yes. So she missed her son's wedding. She. She went in a diaper. She went in a diaper to the ceremony. She put a diaper on, got on a plane, went to the ceremony, and then had to leave immediately after the ceremony. Could not enjoy and celebrate her own son's wedding. And it was heartbreaking. And these idiots were telling her, nothing's wrong. And I do a 3D cone beam. This is the point I'm making. And I show her the root canal specialist perforated the end of the root and actually extruded the root canal cement outside the root and into the base of her sinus. So what that is is a foreign body reaction. Like you get a splinter in your finger and your finger hurts. Yeah, that's like you gotta. Now you have a foreign body in the bone at the base of the sinus. And she's going like this. This hurts because it's inflammation on the cone beam. We could see a cavitation forming. We could see the foreign body matter. We could see the fact that there was a very, very, you know, serious infection that was brewing that the root canal specialist said, don't worry about. It's nothing. All right, let me give you a stronger. She was on a first antibiotic, then they went to clindamycin. Then she went, you know, off a cliff.

Yeah.

Basically, in terms of her health, it's awful. So these are the things that happen. So, you know, I really want to make it clear to everyone who's listening that getting the cone beam and getting it read. And by the way, we read them remotely. Anybody who's listening to this, you could send a little jump drive like this. If you haven't taken out of town, you could send a little jump drive like this. And we will read it for you. Or you're welcome to, you know, come in and have an actual examination. But yeah, many dentists are very defensive about root canals. They believe they're quote, unquote, saving the tooth. Which I believed when I came out of school, by the way. I was, oh, you know, you just got to do it a good root canal, you know, because if it's not filled right, by the way, most root canals are terribly done. But you know, there are really good specialists that do perfect root canal fills, but the procedure is flawed. These are good undertakers of teeth.

Yeah. So I want this to be really practical for people. And I think that we've fairly established that your oral health is of supreme importance because it dictates your overall health. And there are tons of studies to show the connection between cardiovascular health and the health of your mouth. We talked about the connection between breast cancer and the health of your mouth. There's plenty of connection between thyroid disease and the health of your mouth. And we can go on and on. Osteoporosis and the health of your mouth. Nearly all of the conditions that people worry about, right? Breast cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, they're all connected to oral health 100%. So how do you, how do you pursue oral health? What would you say to the person who doesn't have a diagnosis yet? And then I want to talk about the person that has a diagnosis and is great. Is that different?

Great. And by the way, Jen, I have a guide that we can. Anyone who, if you follow me at Dr. Jerry Curatola and you ask for the top 10 guide, it's the top 10 sources of toxicity and inflammation. And by the way, one of those 80 to 90% of obstructive sleep apnea and sleep is really important, has to do with the shape of your mouth. If you've had orthodontics and teeth pulled and they shrunk your arch and there's not enough room for your tongue, your tongue sits further back in your throat and it's like a rubber stopper in the neck of a wine bottle. So definitely airway health. Everyone should get a home sleep study. We have these, we fedex them to patients. It's a one night, simple little home sleep study you can do in bed. It gives us seven pages of respiratory data as to whether you're breathing. The three things we need to stay alive. We need nutrition, we need sleep and we need oxygen. Not getting those two because of obstructive sleep apnea. You know your brain's going crazy at night.

Yeah.

The other.

And we know that People who are short sleepers or people who don't sleep enough, they're at risk for all the chronic diseases.

Yes. I think there's 86 comorbidities associated with obstructive sleep apnea. So getting sleep is critical, Every doctor will tell you. And unfortunately, you know, their solution for sleep apnea is a CPAP device forcing air into you at night, which, by the way, is stretching the linings of the airway. And so if you don't wear the cpap, you're at even greater risk because it's like a water balloon, you know, a balloon that you blow up too many times that gets very flaccid. That happens with the musculature and tissue in the airway. So, yeah, there's. There's dangers with cpap. And again, that's treating the symptom, not the cause.

Yeah. So which is what the vast majority of our system does.

Right.

It's symptom management without. Without any attempt to get to why you're having this issue in the first place.

Exactly, exactly. So it's really important to get a sleep study, really important to get a 3D cone beam. Some of the things, obviously, that we look for. You were talking about, you know, amalgams and mercury and composite fillings, which have bpa, which is an endocrine disruptor, raises estrogen levels definitely associated with breast cancer and other cancers. So BPA is nasty. You have a plastic water bottle in your car, and it's really hot. You don't want to drink out of it yet you have these fillings in your mouth with BPA, and it's 98.6.

Degrees, and you're grinding morning coffee every morning. You're just heating it up.

Exactly, exactly. So these are things that weren't really looked at, and a lot of dentists didn't even know. Oh, bis. GMA resin. The composite resin that's almost universally used is actually a chemical. It's a chemical that's bisphenol A bpa, bisphenyl glycinyl methacrylate, Bis. Gma. Now, you want to make sure you're asking your dentist that you have non BPA fillings. And, you know, we do a lot of ceramic fillings and things like that. But non BPA fillings you want now? No, no, no. Heavy metals, amalgams. Where are other heavy metals? They make these crowns that are metal thimbles with porcelain baked on top. And that metal thimble. Especially since price of gold went up really high in the 1980s, the 90s and the early 2000s, there's nickel, nickel, chromium, even lead has been found, you know, in some of these metal thimbles of cheap crowns that were being made by dentists. So you have heavy metals that have to be looked for and, and you have BPAs and other chemicals that are in the mouth and are used. You have root canals that are, you know, definitely an alarm bell for inflammation and toxicity. And then you have, where you had your wisdom teeth taken out, you may have what's called a cavitation, which is a necrotic area bone that never healed after your wisdom tooth was taken out. And the only way we see those are on a 3D cone. So a lot of this, these are the things we look for in terms of cleaning up toxicity and inflammation in the mouth. And you should do it preventatively and not after you have a cancer diagnosis.

Yeah. Now if you're already at that point, if you already have a cancer diagnosis, people really struggle with prioritization. Like they want to go and get the treatment. And my advice to them is usually if you don't take care of the root of the problem, none of that treatment is going to matter anyway and it's only going to worsen your health. So I tend to prioritize doing the dental work first. But how do you feel about that?

No, I 100 agree, and I don't say that because I'm a dentist. I say that because you want to jump start your immune system. You know, if your immune system is compromised. And I explained, you know, about meridians, you know, I use the Star Trek analogy. It's like, here's the starship Enterprise going along and the captain saying, scotty, put up the shields. Well, there's an energetic shield around your organs that give you the ability to regulate and heal. When did those shields go down? When you are energetically compromised because of blockage and meridian flow from heavy metals, cavitations, root canals, other toxicity, you basically create a meridian. You know, you, I always say your teeth are like the energetic circuit breaker. They have the circuit breakers for your energetic immune system. So you, when you have toxicity or inflammation in a tooth, it flips the breaker. And, and what does that mean? It means that now when the Klingon ship comes to fire mess, I call the Klingon the cancer cell ship. You know, the cancer cell, your body's people don't also, they know, they take for granted. But you're fighting cancer every day. And when you compromise, you know, your energetic immune system, now the shields are down. And when the Klingon fires a missile, you just may take a hit.

Yeah. And you know, I can tell you with 25 years of seeing women with breast cancer, the number of women that come to me with a normal white count and a breast cancer diagnosis are few and far between. And almost all of them have a suppressed white count. I'm not talking about after chemotherapy. I'm talking about at the time that they are first seeing me with their diagnosis. And that's because all of these things that we're talking about cause suppression of the white cells because they've been fighting this battle for too long. They're exhausted. We are exhausting our immune systems.

Correct.

And if you add chemotherapy into that mix, this is not a battle you're going to win.

Correct, Correct. I'm so glad you said that because. And that's why, you know, and we look at C reactive protein levels and all these other things because they're in a state of chronic, low grade inflammation and it's like, no, you know, breast cancer doesn't come out of anywhere and just, you know, fly in. Like, like I said, it is, it is the end stage of dysregulation. You have this inflammation in your mouth. It doesn't hurt. You know, you don't have a fever, you don't have pain, you. But you have chronic, low grade inflammation. Gum disease. Gum disease doesn't hurt. Just a silent, painless killer of teeth. And yet it's the number one source of chronic, low grade inflammation in the entire body.

Yeah.

So just gum disease, like people tell me, oh, yeah, my teeth, my gums, you know, bleed when I brush. But, you know, I guess I'm brushing too hard, I'm using a hard to, and I'm like, no, no, no. When you brush in your hair, if your scalp is bleeding, do you think that's normal? You know, it's like, no, your gums bleed. That's inflammation. That's called gingivitis.

Yeah.

So. And the way to deal with it, you know, and that was one of the things that, you know, I spent 20 years studying the oral microbiome. That was another huge, you know, area of interest to me. And we could talk about that because, you know, I actually created a product that's all minerals, prebiotics and all to nourish and support the indigenous flora of the mouth.

Yeah. Because we do, we do, we, we know in the gut, I mean, you're not going to control every organism. Right. But we know in the gut there is a healthy collection of organisms and an unhealthy collection of organisms.

Right.

It's the same thing in the mouth and everywhere that we have a microbiome. Right?

Correct.

So I want to know specifically if you have mercury fillings, what should someone do about that?

Well, mercury fillings is kind of a low hanging fruit. And a lot of dentists who are trained to safely remove amalgam. That's one of the things in the biologic dentistry clubs that they preach is you really have to have like if you were in my treatment room, the entire room, the air is ionized. It's. We have all of these negatively charged ions that bond to not only viruses and bacteria, but they bond to, or they bind to. Excuse me, not bond. I'm thinking bonding. They bind to mercury vapor. So any mercury vapor that escapes will is. Mercury is HD plus. It's positively charged. It's all these negative ions. And then there's kind of like a, a collector that's like a vacuum that, that sucks the. Oh, that's just on the gestalt. Then we use a rubber dam. Then we use high speed suction. Two types, three types of suction. Low speed, high speed and then ultra high speed. It's like a vacuum tube right at the side of the mouth to ensure that not only the patient is protected, but the dentist and the staff in the room are protected. Yeah. And then if you safely remove the amalgam, we do a procedure called chunking. We take it out. We don't just keep drilling it out, we take it out in the periphery of it, suck the whole thing out, and then we disinfect the tooth. We use ozone. And then after the ozone, I'll usually scan the tooth for a ceramic filling or something that can resist the strength and of chewing and prevent wear. A lot of times composite fillings, which are plastic, they wear quickly. So even if they're BPA free, they can wear very quickly if it's a large filling in a tube. So ceramic is really a great standard of care for that. But that's just removing an amalgam. And that's the first thing. The second, second thing is getting heavy metals and BPA filling cleaned out. I think is important. I don't want to, I don't want to underestimate the, the impact of BPAs as a.1 of the nastiest chemicals in plastics, including dental restorations. BPAs can almost be more harmful in terms of dysregulation in hormone levels and raising estrogen.

They're both, they're both xenoestrogens Right. So BPA is a xenoestrogen, mercury is a metalloestrogen. You know, they're, they're both, they're all xenoestrogens. So they're all throwing fluoride in there.

Let's throw fluoride in. Yeah.

So I, I would like to have a conversation about fluoride because this is highly, highly, highly misunderstood. And there's still plenty of fluoride on the market. I'm embarrassed to say that.

So much so that children with developing teeth. 80, I'm sorry, 67% of children with developing teeth have fluorosis damage, which is from excess fluoride. And it is, it is basically makes, makes the teeth more prone to decay. The very thing they were given a toxic halide chemical to prevent. So let's talk about fluoride, because every dentist says, you need fluoride, you need fluoride. Fluoride is not a. Fluoride is not a nutrient. Number one fluoride is. Even though they say, oh, it occurs naturally in the environment. Yeah, the people who have excess natural fluoride, it's the same as the people who have chemical fluoride. There has been no decrease in decay rates after 75 years of fluoridation. No decrease in decay.

There's more.

There are non fluoridated communities with lower rates of decay than fluoridated. Most of Western Europe never adopted fluoridation. This whole fluoride hoax was propagated on junk science that goes back 75 years. It is the worst public health experiment since the Cold War. Okay. And people are being.

I can think of another one.

Right, go ahead.

Well, I'm not going to say it because my podcast will be taken down, but we had another recent public health experiment.

Oh, I know where you're going. There. Yes.

Let's not go there.

Let's not go there.

But this is of the same proportion I had a hoax junk science. Let's keep going.

So, you know, most scientists in the dental world, they know that fluoride's time is done. You know, I mean, it was. It's very convenient to take a toxic halide waste chemical, hydrofluorosilic acid, and throw it into and dilute it in water. Under the guise of preventative dentistry, when drinking fluoridated water has done nothing, zero for reducing decay. If you have cancer, you do not want to drink fluoridated water. If you're afraid of getting cancer, you should not drink fluoridated water. If you have kidney disease, you know, or if you just want to be.

Healthy fluoride, well it probably has majorly contributed to the incidence of thyroid disease because fluoride, iodide, they're very similar molecules. They represent the same place on the elemental chart. And so this is being exchanged for the iodide in our thyroid hormone and this is causing a huge pro problem, bromide as well.

Absolutely.

And absolutely this is probably the fact that 25% of women have thyroid dysfunction.

Yeah, yeah. Heavy metals and fluoride together are a molly tough cocktail for your thyroid. There are over 60 studies that link drinking fluoridated water and lower IQ in children. There are over 20 studies drinking fluoridated water and osteoporosis and osteopenia. Another epidemic. So and don't take it from me, go to one of the smartest consumer advocacy sites online, go to Fluoride Alert F L u o r ide fluoridealert.org and just do your own research. This evidence based science from around the world. And I was shocked because the science that was being presented to my daughter in dental school was some of it was 75 years old. So let's talk about what fluoride does and why it was promoted as you need it to stay keep the teeth mineralized. Fluorine. Fluoride is a made up word. Fluorine is the most highly charged non radioactive element in the periodic table. The most highly negatively charged non radioactive element in the periodic table. Everyone heard that when you introduce fluorine into the body, your teeth and bones are made of hydroxy appetite which is the oh is the hydroxy. It's negatively charged appetite. AP plus you heard a hydroxyapatite toothpaste and all this stuff. That's a another fad. We could talk about that. But when you introduce fluorine, it knocks out the hydroxy very quickly and it forms floor appetite. So your teeth become your fluoridated teeth and fluoridated fluoridated bones become floor appetite. What are the physical properties of flora appetite? It's got about a 33% lower tensile strength. So your teeth are harder and harder like glass and more brittle. Drop this glass, it'll brack so your teeth runs brittle. So when my mother in the 80s was coming down the carpeted steps of our home after you know, 20 some odd years of drinking fluoride water, she did it and she tripped. She didn't have a bruised hip, she had a broken hip.

Broken hip, yeah.

And that's skeletal fluorosis.

So it's the same thing. It's the same thing that's happening with the bisphosphonates. So people are taking these bisphosphonates, thinking that, oh, my bones are getting thicker. That's a good thing. But we're losing the flexibility of the bone. And so we're not lowering fractures.

Correct. And we're also disturbing, but they're more brittle. We're disturbed. We're disturbing normal bone metabolism. And we are actually, you know, we. We have, you know, a. It's. It's really interesting, the bisphosphonates. And then dentists were doing dental extractions, and the bone wasn't healing, and they had osteonecrosis from bisphosphonates. The interesting thing is that floor appetite. They did a study in the 1980s when they started using this around the time my mother broke her up. They said, oh, we're going to do studies on, get this, hip fracture rates. And they expected hip fracture rates to be going down as teeth and bones were stronger. You know, and the reality is, is that there was an extra increase proportional to the introduction of fluoridation of the water and the addition of fluoride. By the way, we. It's the only drug, and it is a drug. Okay, Fluoride. We're basically medicating mass population without their consent. And you have fluoride in the water, fluoride in the toothpaste, fluoride in the mouthwash, fluoride in food cooked in restaurants from tap water. You have all this fluoride that people are exposed to, and you have, you know, so many degenerative problems from it. But I want to say, you know, as a dentist, you know, I'm. I'm sort of horrified that no one's come clean about this. It's very convenient. And then I did a little research into where the hydrofluorosalic acid that we're dumping into the water supply under the guise of preventative dentistry, where it comes from, it's a waste product from aluminum manufacturing, it's a waste product from phosphate fertilizer manufacturing, and it's a waste product of uranium enrichment. So can you say the Department of Defense, alcohol and Monsanto in one sentence? You know, there's a lot of political pressure.

Yeah.

To dump fluoride in water, by the way, they used to put it in drums, and it corroded through drums, and it created huge toxicity, destroyed crops in fields and livestock and all this stuff. Then it was like, oh, let's dump it in the water. You know, we got these studies from grand rapids from the 1940s, shows like fluorine, you know, floor Appetite. Really quickly, you know, let's, let's get clean, let's do the right research and let's, let's be honest and let's help people live longer, healthier lives.

It is, Dr. Jen began having.

How many dentists are like fluoride, Fluoride.

We need fluoride, you know, Dr. Jerry Cortor.

It's, it's, it's disheartening because especially, you know, here's my daughter who's heard her, her, you know, you know, maverick father, you know, speaking out against this. By the way, in the 1990s, I was brought up before the dental board for, for, you know, because the dentist said I was speaking out against fluoride and I was, I was against the standard of care and something like that. It cost me then $12,000 with a lawyer to get the Dental Society. Oh, the dental society sends a letter to all the dentists if anyone asked, because I was in a big magazine, I forget, did an article in a magazine and, and I was talking about fluoride and it cost me $12,000 to get the lawyer. Everything I said was factual. Not one thing I said was hearsay or, or, you know, you know, off the cuff or dishonest. Everything I said was 100% honest. And the truth is, is that it cost me that amount of money for the Dental society to send an apology to all of the dentists it sent a letter to trying to, you know, sanction me for speaking out against the standard of care. That's how crazy, how crazy, crazy it was. So fortunately, people can do a lot more research and I could tell you to go to fluoridealert.com or.org fluoride alert.org and you can get all the research you want and make your own decision.

Dr. Jen began having some issues with her microphone. So I will be filling in the questions she asked throughout the remainder of this podcast episode. In this moment, she asked what needs to be done about root canals before there are long term consequences.

So this is the protocol that I use, you know, and as I said, everyone should get a cone beam, everyone should get a sleep study. You don't even need to come into the office. They can be read remotely. What we look for on the cone beam in terms of root canal is one, we look for cavitations, we look for cysts and failures, we look at how long they, they've been there and whether there is evidence of space, which is A cavitation is. Cavitation is a slang term coined by an orthopedic surgeon in 1931. That was a hole in the jaw. You may heard the term curvature, it's a hole in the jaw, whereas a cavity is a hole in a tooth. He said cavitation is a hole in the jaw. So cavitations form around endodontically treated teeth over years. Sometimes people have a root canal because of an emergency where the nerve is exposed or they broke a tooth, they fell, they extirpate or remove the pulpal tissue, fill it with a root canal filling material that can be stable for a number of years. It's an interesting study to see. When does the endotoxin production really kick in? And it's usually after about seven years or so. So what I always tell people, because I have people had. A woman came to me, she had nine root canals, many of them were not good. And I was begging her to get her root canals out and she was like, okay, okay. She was diagnosed with ovarian cancer and now she's in a panic and she wants all of them out. When I was trying to tell her to take them out sequentially and you can replace them. Look, even the implant specialist, just to.

Be clear, that means removing the tooth, right?

Right, Correct. Removing the tooth, ozoning the bone, disinfecting the bone, grafting, and preparing the site for dental implant replacement. In some areas they can be done at the same time as the extraction. And another area is really that, especially if there's infection, you have to let the area heal and heal and be healthy again. Then you can support a dental implant. And the dental implant, you know, it's a process, but it should not be metal. Metal also produce evidence. Root canals and metal implants both produce endotoxins, 100% of them. And so we thought metal implants were great. Take the root canal and throw a metal implant in. Well, metal implants, what we find is the bone that grows around the metal implant is sclerotic bone, which is. Doesn't have a vasculature, doesn't have a blood supply. So the lifeblood of your teeth is saliva. The lifeblood of your bone is vasculature, blood supply. So one of the things that, you know, I find really important about root canals is we don't want to rip them out all at once. We want to really go after the ones again. That's where triaging treatment and prioritizing treatment is really, really important. We never leave our patients toothless. We always make sure they can have a stable smile. That's the art miner from college. I'm always into making sure everyone looks beautiful. We don't leave you like a jack o lantern, you know, but we, we actually, you know, teeth, and the dodocally teeth are dead teeth that will necrose, will decompose, and are a serious threat to your immune system. They dysregulate systemic immunity. So we will definitely prioritize and, and do sequential planning. For someone who has multiple root canals, hopefully, you know, most people it's one or two, but a lot of people, it's many more. So we look at how they're doing, and if they look and appear stable and there isn't any systemic threat like cancer, then I would say that I would advise that patient to just take a more conservative approach and monitor how these root canal teeth are doing. But once they start to break down, once we see signs of infection or cavitations, we recommend immediate removal, disinfection of the bone and replacement with a dental, a ceramic dental implant, what we call a zirconia dental implant. And zirconia dental implants. A lot of implant doctors and oral surgeons and periodontists don't like working with them. They're harder to do. They're harder. And the bone grows slower because it's vascular bone, not sclerotic bone. The bone grows slower, but it has a blood supply. And it also is. Doesn't block meridian flow the way titanium metal does, you know, and zirconia is. It's a very hard ceramic, right? Think fake diamonds. And it is often called a white metal. And people always say, well, the titanium and the zirconium are very close to each other on the periodic table. The reality is, is that zirconia does not block meridians. Bone that grows around it is, Has a vasculature. And it's the best alternative we have right now. I think the future is going to be stem cells. And we're seeing a lot of exciting things with growing the tooth from stem cells. They're saying it's like within this decade. STEM cell implantation.

Dr. Jen then asked, how do people know if their provider is good? If they see a biological dentist or a holistic dentist, how do they know they can trust that provider.

The way you will know. It's really funny because I had a professor in dental school who said, doctor, let me tell you, a dentist is judged by everything but the quality of his work. Oh, he's a nice guy. Oh, he doesn't hurt. Oh, he's this and that. Oh, he doesn't charge that much. Oh, he's always, he's amazing. He's this. That they have no idea of the quality of the work. And so, you know, obviously years of experience, clinical training, especially in the biologic world. Most they're like, oh, I went to a biologic dentist in Philadelphia and I'm like, you know what? And he's doing cavitation surgery and he's doing this and he's doing that. And there are, I do have to tell you one thing, Jen, is that there are many, there are many dentists calling themselves biologic that aren't good. And then there are many good dentists that aren't biologic. And it's easier to take a good dentist and train them in principles because biologic dentistry is a philosophy of practice, really. It's not a, you know, bona fide specialty. It's a philosophy of practice of how we approach things with root causes and things like that. So it's easier to take good dentists and make them biologic. Biologic dentist and make them good. But how do you know if a dentist is good? It should be the standard of care. Like you're, like you're talking about with, you know, ridiculous, you know, mammography test that, that the science is not there to support it or fluoridation. There's no science to support water, systemic water fluoridation of municipal water supplies. Yeah. And yet brainwash your toxic chemicals to fight for fluoridation. How about that? Yeah, Brainwash dentists to fight for fluoridation.

It's terrible.

Under the guise of preventative dentistry and no one looks at the data, no one looks at the science. They rely on studies from 75 years ago.

Dr. Jen's last question is how do we maintain oral health? What does everybody need to be doing to make sure they have a healthy mouth and therefore maintain their overall health and well being?

Okay, so here we get to Dr. Jerry's mouth body connection. I have four cornerstones of oral health in here and they're going to surprise you. The first one is to go in your medicine cabinet, take out any detergent, toothpaste, alcohol, mouthwash or any, you know, oils. One of my pet peeves, xylitol, which is touted as good for your teeth because it kills strep mutants, bacteria, which is complete malarkey. Strep mutans. Bacteria live in the mouth and they only behave badly and cause cavities when they're out of balance, called dysbiosis. So get rid of all the crappy products in the medicine cabinet. That's why I spent 20 years on this double blind clinical research, randomized double blind clinical trials. We promote balance of the oral microbiome. You asked me about, you asked me, do you have a good toothpaste? And I was like, I spent 20 years and we have basically 86 reduction in inflammation, gum stop bleeding in two days. Which we can't say because that's a structure, function plan. So we just say, you know, healthier teeth and gums and promotes balance of the microbiome. So definitely what you're using on a daily basis is important. Second thing, I call it triple A nutrition, Alkalizing, anti inflammatory, antioxidant rich. So I coined triple A nutrition. You really want a more alkaline P. And by the way, when, when the mouth is more alkaline, this, the oral microbiome transports ionic minerals from saliva to your teeth. The opposite of what I was taught in dental school. Right? The bacteria cause cavities. No, the oral microbiome, this indigenous protective beneficial flora in the mouth, just like the gut, transports ionic minerals to the teeth to remineralize in a more alkaline state, a more acidic state, you get demineralization, a more alkaline state, you get remineralization. So alkaline. You know, cancer cells don't grow in an alkaline environment. Right, that was proven right. The other thing you want anti inflammatory. There are inflammatory triggers in the mouth just like the gut. And you know, the most notorious is for some people. And it will vary, you know, depending on your genotype, whether it's gluten, dairy, you know, you know, all kinds of different. I always talk about, think anti inflammatory. And the third one is antioxidant rich. One of the reasons why, you know, I made the toothpaste like a dietary supplement is because there was a Japanese researcher in the 70s who biopsied disease gums and he found that there were two key nutrients that were deficient. One of them was vitamin C. We knew that from scurvy of sailors on boats. Scurvy, a horrible condition, vitamin C, bleeding gums, disgusting. And then the other One was coenzyme Q10, which wasn't really very understood that, you know, 40 years ago. It was isolated in 1957 at the University of Wisconsin. But coenzyme Q10 is the, is the nutrient, the CO factor for our ability to make ATP, for our cells to be healthy. And when you don't have enough CoQ10, that's where, you know, cardiomyopathy the three areas that use the most ATP are your skin, your gums and your heart. So you need CoQ10 for your skin, your gums, your heart. The first one that got the CoQ10 for the skin was Nick Perricone who wrote all those books, the Wrinkle Cure and all that. But for the heart it was my good friend Stephen Sinatra who recently unfortunately passed. But he was a real father of Coq 10 use for the heart. As a matter of fact, in Japan, CoQ10, which is a nutrient, was captured by pharma. In Japan, it's a prescription for the treatment of cardiomyopathy. COQ10 prescription and it's a dietary supplement and I put it in toothpaste for the gums. So I was the first to patent COQ10 and vitamin C and toothpaste and I got three patents on that and now they expired. But that was a old research. From the 1997 was my first patent, 2001 and 2003. So that was now years ago. But I still am a huge proponent of CoQ10 and vitamin C as nutrients and powerful antioxidants in the mouth, along with vitamin D, 3K2, vitamin E and of course ionic minerals. Also really, really good. I'm a big fan of prebiotic fibers that support a nourishing environment for a robust balanced oral microbiome. So nutrition is number two. Right. The first was harmful oral care products. Get rid of them. Use something that promotes balance and respects the science of the oral microbiome. The second one is the triple A nutrition alkalizing, anti inflammatory antioxidant rich. The third one, healthy exercise, people should exercise every day. Healthy exercise supports the production production of short chain fatty acids in the mouth which are anti inflammatory, again reducing inflammation. And the fourth thing to keep a healthy mouth, by the way, a lot of these, you could say healthy mouth, healthy body.

Yep, Right.

But since we're on the dental theme for a healthy mouth, the fourth thing is managing stress, which also supports the production. And you know, this is the even, even like the vagus nerve and the tryptophan production and the production of short chain fatty acids all serve to reduce inflammation. And so what do we do to manage stress? Yoga, meditation, prayer, mindfulness. People need to shut their brain off to allow their bodies to come into balance and homeostasis. So those are the four things. And we have studies that show what does reducing stress have to do with what's going on in your mouth? Well, salivary production, you don't clench or grind as much you have all these other like harmful parafunctional habits that happen when we're in sympathetic mode of our nervous system.

Yeah, for sure.

So we need to move from that fight or flight sympathetic mode to the parasympathetic mode which is the most regenerative, restful state of the body to recover and heal.

Well, this has been an amazing discussion.

Where can they find your mouth body connection online? Amazon. And by the way, Revitin. You know they could go to Revitin. R e V I T I N. You could call it Revitin if you want. Everybody does. But you could go on online, even Amazon. But we have a. We always have interesting information@revital.com that's R E V I T I N. I always put information out almost daily on @ Dr. Jerry Curitola. That's D R G not J G E R Y C U R A T O L A And yeah, that's, that's where, where everything is. My practice is on fifth Avenue in New York. Between. Here we are beautiful Fifth Avenue, right on the park.

Beautiful, beautiful.

And we're at 860 Fifth Avenue. And I'm also in East Hampton. We have a beautiful, beautiful center in East Hampton. Sometimes people come in from out of town and they'll stay out. In East Hampton we have a corporate apartment for patients and they love it.

Dr. Jen then asked Dr. Jerry Curatola if he will give people second opinions and look at their 3D cones.

That's the easiest thing that could be done virtually. They can get a cone beam, send me a little drive. We will load it and do it. But if you're close enough to the offices in New York or the Hamptons, we're happy to see you live and do it there. But then we could give you a good screen of what's going on in your mouth talking about some of the sources of toxicity and inflammation. So they can go to rejuve health, rejuv health.com which is our website review. Health and. And then we're happy to. To get everyone set up. I also have that top 10 guide. I don't have it here, but we can send it to you virtually. I do want to offer this little bit that I know because I often find myself in the role of priest, rabbi and minister.

I'm listening.

And I could say this. One of the things that's really exciting about biologic medicine and biologic dentistry is understanding that we have a divine capacity to self regulate and heal. I always say my favorite two words, practicing as a biologic dentist is, you're fixable. And as my mother Mildred used to tell me as a little boy, there's nothing that happens in your life, Gerald, that doesn't go across God's desk. And there's a lesson and there's a purpose and there's something. It's part of our path on this planet that we go through. And when we go through hardship and we learn from it, you know, with faith we can move mountains. So faith is believing in what you can see and it's being certain of what you hope for. And that faith, you know, there's a man, Bruce Lipton, wrote a book, the Biology of Belief. What you believe can change your DNA.

Now, unfortunately, I did have a technical glitch at the end of the podcast episode, so I had an echo with my mic during the last 15 minutes of our conversation. But don't worry, I'm going to bring him back. We're going to record part two and in the meantime you get to hear all of what we managed to get through before the malfunction. I really hope that you were as blown away as I was with that conversation. He is just a fascinating guy. I learned so much from him. I actually started on my holistic dentistry journey with him and already I feel like a better, healthier human being. So if you liked this episode, please like it, comment, share it, and check out the show notes for all of the links. And stay tuned for part two.

It's Dr. Jen.

Bye for now.

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