All About The Root Cause with Morley Robbins

Hi, everybody. I'm Dr. Sandhya Moldovan, periodontist and nutritionist. Welcome to the Holistic Dentistry Podcast, the show that gives you the tips and tools to detoxify your mouth for a healthier body as we explore together the root cause of disease. Remember, you're not healthy until your mouth is healthy, so take care of it in the most natural way. Hi, everyone. Welcome to today's show. I'm your host, Dr. Sandha, and I'm so excited to talk to you today about something that is very misleading and a lot of people don't understand. And it was true for me until I went to an IOMT conference and I heard Morley Robbins talking about copper, magnesium, and what is the correlation with fatigue? So Marley Robbins is here today. He's the creator of Root Cause Protocol, also known as the magnesium man. He's one of the foremost experts on magnesium's role in the body and the delicate dance. Magnesium plays with copper, iron and calcium. He received his BA in biology from Denison University in Ohio. And you have an MBA from George Washington in healthcare. So welcome to our show.

Well, thank you. Delighted to be here.

So what I'm curious how you ended up on this path of studying and really looking into magnesium.

Well, it's sort of. I backed into it. I didn't plan it. When I was in my 20s, I grew up in a very sickly family. My sister became a nurse. I was supposed to become the doctor until I hit the buzzsaw of academia and found out it's a lot of work and I didn't do so well in that structured setting. In fact, if people saw my college transcript, they'd wonder how I can spell iron, much less talk about its metabolism.

It's amazing how things change.

I know, isn't it? I'm the living proof of the mulligan in life. You know, you can do over.

Yeah, I couldn't stand the sight of blood and I became an oral surgeon. So.

So if you. If you can't become a doctor, you do the next best thing, which is you go to business school to become a hospital executive. And that's what I did. Because you can boss the doctors around then.

That's right.

I did that for 12 years. And then I was a consultant for 20 years. And so for those 20 years, I was pulling a suitcase behind my back, going from one airport to another with different clients all over the country and develop what's called frozen shoulder. And I couldn't pick. Couldn't pick my hand up above my waist. And it was Very painful. So I went to a health food store that I had frequented for many years in the Chicago area and they told me to go see Dr. Liz. And I went, I don't do witchcraft. Because I knew that a doctor and a first name and a chiropractor. And I was like, I'm allopathic all the way. And I said, you must have some supplements. They sold me some supplements. They didn't do any good at all. Went back in writhing pain and the owner was there and I explained my plight. And she said, morally, we love you. Go see Dr. Liz. So with my tail between my leg, I went to see Dr. Liz, who is a very sought after chiropractor in the Chicago area. People drive three hours to come see her. And she knew there's a pterygoid muscle in the, in this joint. You, you probably know a lot more about it than I do. But she knew that by putting pressure on that muscle, it's this joint that controls the shoulder.

I didn't know the PM joint. Yeah, so true, actually. And you know, this pterygoid muscle, especially nowadays, so many people have tight pterygoid muscles because they're clenching and grinding the stress. Yeah. So it can absolutely is related to shoulders and joints.

Yeah. And so I've, you know, 20 years of stress as a, as a consultant, especially as a. I was. Most people do consulting before they do the hospital work. I, I flipped it so, you know, older, getting into a very stressful field. Loving it, but it's still very stressful. Well, as she pressed on this muscle, which was exceedingly painful, my arm lifted and it was about as close to a miracle as I want to get. And we chatted afterwards and she started talking about the innate healer. And I looked at her. I'd never heard that phrase before. I'd worked in hospitals for 32 years, talked to thousands of doctors, they never heard that phrase. And I thought to myself, I didn't say anything to her. I said, if there's an innate healer, why do we have millions of doctors around the world? So I set out to become the investigative reporter to find out who is this innate healer. And that's really what the book is about. Cure your fatigue is. And again, play on words. C U symbol for copper. What people don't know is what the word cure really means. It means copper runs everything. And it really does. Maybe in a subsequent conversation we'll get into more of the detail. But what people don't know, especially doctors, is that the start of all symptoms, the Start of all conditions is cellular energy deficiency. And that's the work of Douglas Walls, who's a very gifted biologist at Chop Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania. And in a signature article he did in 2005, he challenges the conventional medical community to learn about cellular energy and efficiency. And most practitioners don't know how energy is made inside the mitochondria. They don't know that copper runs the shell. They don't know that the matrix, which is the center of the mitochondria is a little pool of copper atoms. It's a blue pool. And it's blue because it's copper. And so as I got into. And if you study the COVID you'll see that there's an enlarged mitochondria above the title.

Yeah, that's right.

Right. And the reason why that the COVID is purple is because the mitochondria are actually purple bacteria. And why are they purple? Well, the complex 4, which is what turns oxygen into water to release energy, it's the obligate transaction on the planet, can't make energy without turning oxygen into water. That complex is sky blue, like color of my shirt, and it attracts red light. So blue and red make purple. And so they're called purple bacteria. And it's why we're here on the planet is because we have these organelles that went from making two ATP fermenting sugar to 36 ATP oxidizing sugar to 140 ATP oxidizing fat. And that's the, that's the magic of life on planet earth that nobody knows about, especially the doctors, because they're not the, the paradigm of medicine. And I'm sure dentistry as well is. It's all about pathogens and heavy metals and there's a lot of booga wooga. But nothing about the energy paradigm, which pretty much runs the show.

Yeah, it's true. We focus a lot on toxins. Even in biological dentistry, you want to say, okay, there's toxic metals, how do we detoxify? There's infections at the jawbone. But then, you know what's interesting is like we place dental implants and now we're waiting for the cellular healing. Right. There's a lot of cellular healing to be done and we don't have the right mix of minerals. We're not going to see that healing that we require for an implant to integrate, for example.

No, the blueprint that runs human physiology runs on energy. So we've got to be able to make energy. So that's why cure your fatigue is to play on the lack of energy. And what's the number one reason why people go to see their doctor? Fatigue. Yeah, worldwide. I'm just exhausted. I don't want to. And the doctor doesn't know what's. What the problem is. And so it's, it's been a fascinating discovery. The first book I read was by Carolyn Dean about the magnesium miracle. And that's what, that's how I became known as magnesium man, because I just couldn't stop talking about magnesium. But it took me probably about five years to understand. Why does magnesium leave the body? Well, it leaves under stress. That's well known. It took a long time to find out what that stress was. It's called oxidative stress. 21% of the air we breathe is oxygen. It's not our friend. It's a poison. It's an absolute poison. And we have the gift of minerals that allow us to work with that poison poison to make energy. And that's the, that's the most important piece of the puzzle is knowing that we live on a very delicate planet. And you know, what is it? 75% of its water, but it's surrounded by this gas. It's really hard on our body.

See, that's interesting you say that oxygen being a poison, because I've seen oxygen being called a nutrient.

Well, it is if you can activate it. There's only one mineral, there's only one mineral that can activate oxygen. It's called copper. The beauty of copper is it's the only element on planet. Let me back up. What's the master pro oxidant element on planet Earth? It's called iron. Number one element on planet Earth, 36% of the Earth's composition is iron. What is the second most reactive element on planet Earth after fluorine gas? Oxygen is the second most reactive element on the planet. What does that mean? Means it loves to react with electrons. It's very interactive, especially with iron. What do they create? Rust. They're really good at it. And they, they create rust outside the body, but they create rust inside the body called plaque. And so copper is the only element on the planet that can regulate iron and oxygen at the exact same time and keep them from creating rust. And what I find absolutely amazing is that that central. That is not taught in any doctor's school, dental school, chiropractic school, allopathic school, whatever the. Nobody knows the basics of mineral metabolism on the planet. And if you don't know that, then it's easier to believe in disease. There's no disease.

There's no. It's interesting. I really want to go deeper into this, you know. You know, how can you oxygen be toxic? And how can we increase our minerals to make it to be okay in the environment we live in? And we can thrive, not just survive. Because this fatigue issue, I see it in my patients, we actually modified our medical history form to ask about chronic fatigue, because most medical history intake forms don't even ask you do you feel fatigue? They just ask you for diseases like labels.

That's exactly right.

Yeah. And I find the biggest problem is people coming in with chronic fatigue, brain fog, inflammation that haven't yet been labeled as a disease. And that's where we really need to do the work.

Absolutely true. And all of those conditions that you've just enumerated are like numbers on a clock face. And what's at the center? It's a dysregulation between copper and oxygen and iron. So that we know that iron carries oxygen in our blood. Hemoglobin, it's a waiter. Carrying oxygen one way, carrying carbon dioxide another way. Very, very important function. But do we go to restaurants for the waiter, or do we go for the chef who creates an experience with the food? Right.

Yes.

And so oxygen gets delivered to the mitochondria. Now, what you'll find fascinating to know is they don't. The greatest scientific mystery is how does oxygen in the hemoglobin actually get to the mitochondria? No one knows. Wittenberg, Wittenberg, famous husband and wife team. In 2007, they were the closest, and they said, we don't know. We can't figure it out. Nobody knows how oxygen gets from outside the cell into the mitochondria, which is pretty darn important. And the oxygen needs to be activated to become water. So one molecule of oxygen is O2 that needs to be activated. What does that mean? Activation means you're adding four electrons, you're adding four hydrogen protons, and it becomes two molecules of water. And when that happens, the mitochondria can release ADP to go over to another complex to become ATP. And that's the currency that runs our body. And there's a little rotor in that fifth complex. It's spinning at 500 revolutions per second. Now, I'd be impressed if you could do one revolution per second. Maybe you could do two, but 500, and it. It's this rotor in the. There's 40 quadrillion mitochondria in our body.

Wow.

That's 15 zeros. We can. These numbers get so big. So Fast. And we don't think about the fact that we make our body weight in ATP every day.

That's amazing. Our body is truly amazing.

And it's just. And it. And it requires minerals to do that.

Yeah. Now, you know, I have patients coming in.

Oh.

I have chronic fatigue. And my doctor told me I'm anemic, so they gave me iron. I'm going for an iron infusion. Do you find this a good way to deal with chronic fatigue?

It drives me crazy. I was just spending two hours with a couple in London explaining her quote, low iron in the blood, which is met with high iron in the tissue. Doctors know about the blood test. They're not thinking about the high iron in the tissue. And the key is there's an iron recycling system that's one of the most important in our body. And every second of every day. We've been talking now for about 15 minutes every second. We need to break down two and a half million red blood cells in our spleen here on the left side. And then we need to get that iron down to the bone marrow of our long bones, the hip, hip bone, thigh bone, of pelvic bone. That's where all the bone marrow is. And that's where 50% of our copper is. We got to make two and a half million red blood cells every second. Wow.

That's amazing.

It is amazing. But what's going to surprise you is that it only takes 25 milligrams of iron to support the production of 200 billion red blood cells every 24 hours. So two and a half million a second is 200 billion in 24 hours, 25 milligrams, which is a very small amount. We're designed to have about 5,000 milligrams of iron. So 25 is little tiny bit. Now, this is what will shock you. 24. Of those 25, 95% come from an iron recycling program.

Wow.

It's run by copper. And so we only need 1mg of iron a day. So when someone has low iron in their blood, it means they have high iron stuck in their tissue that can't get out because there's a doorway. It's called ferroportin. Iron doorway, Ferroportin. And guess who opens up Ferroporton. A copper doorman will open it up. But you gotta have copper in your diet.

I see.

And it's, it's, it's absolutely. When you begin to piece it together, it's so elegant and so sophisticated, but it's not taught in doctor school. And so millions of people around the world. This woman that I was talking to had just had an iron infusion and she felt horrible. And then somehow she stumbled on my book and she went, and guess what? She and her husband are both trained in nutrition, UK based. And they're going to completely revamp their approach based on that. On that book, because they realize that there's a difference between their training and the truth. And that's what they're really seeking to do is understand the truth of the body.

Absolutely. Now, what she got, she got obviously quite a bit more iron down in her body that's also toxic.

It is. And now her spleen is enlarged.

Okay. So.

And the hematologist doesn't understand why. And I'm like, do you really want to know why? She said, do you know? I said, I know the. I know the article 1948 by Weintraub. She goes, oh, my God. She would. She was absolutely mesmerized by what her hematologist didn't know.

Is there a way for us to test the tissue levels of iron or not?

They're not ideal, but there are two ways to do it. You can do a needle biopsy of the liver. It's very painful. You first. Or you can do a Tesla 2 MRI. It's very expensive. Again, you first. But. But it's called Ferriscan F E R R I S C A N. It's a Australian based company that has centers all over the world now, measuring people's iron in their liver, their spleen, their heart, their brain, and lo and behold, guess what iron is. It's the cause of aging. It's the cause of all the problems. Every, Every condition that you know of in the Merck Manual. I don't know what the, what the parallel is in dental, the dental world, but in medical, it's called the Merck manual. And there's 32,000 conditions profiled in there. Every one of them begins with cellular energy deficiency, which creates oxidative stress, because if oxygen doesn't turn into water, it's going to turn into an oxidant, and that oxidant is going to cause a problem. Yes, I'm sure dentistry has a parallel textbook, but it all comes back to, is copper and iron regulating oxygen properly? And it's so central to our physiology, but it's. It's almost disorienting because it's like, it's got to be more complicated than that. But it's not.

It's.

It's absolutely amazing.

How did you. How many Hours did it take you to, you know, figure this out? I'm sure it's taking you quite a bit of research.

Well, yeah, I spent at least three hours a day, now, seven days a week researching, reading peer reviewed literature and I've been doing that now for 15 years. So I'm told that you become an expert when you spend a thousand hours on a subject matter. I blew past a thousand hours many, many years ago. So I think once I realized, at least to my understanding, what the problem was, why were all these people in the hospital, you know, why, why was there so much chronic illness? And when I began to, to piece it together, it's like the bit got put in my mouth and I, I can't back down. And I, I value these types of conversations because I'm always looking for the hundredth monkey who's going to be that listener that's going to go boom. Everyone now understands it because the consciousness of, of society has changed. And when you and I had that initial conversation, I really enjoyed the look in your eye. You were just like, you're like, there was a wow factor. You were just like, this is amazing to learn this. You were so excited to hear these new ideas and I really, I commend you for that because it takes a lot of courage to step outside of your training and to embrace something new. But what I really enjoy about the world of biological dentistry is there doesn't seem to be a lot of dogma. You all are really seeking to understand the truth of the human physiology, the oral physiology, and I think that's so refreshing that I was honored to be a part of that community over the weekend.

Yes, thank you. And I so appreciate you for bringing forth this information because, you know, running a busy practice and seeing patients, unfortunately I don't have thousands of hours to put into research, so.

Absolutely true.

Yes. I so appreciate you bringing this forth. It makes absolute sense to me. And you know, it does take thousands of hours to just so elegantly simplify the process for the rest of us.

But what one of the. My wife and I love to go to the movies and one of the movies we got stuck on last summer was about Yogi Berra, who was a famous New York Yankee. I mean, I knew he was a baseball player, that's how much I knew about him. I didn't realize his genius, both athletically as well as, as a manager, but as a communicator. And he used to make up phrases. One that he's really known for is when you get to the fork in the road. Take it. Well, it turns out he lived on a street where he was in the park, the back end of the fork. He said, doesn't matter which side you go. But, but his. But the word that he coined that I absolutely have adopted is the word simplexity.

Love that.

And that really explains copper metabolism. When you begin to understand the elegance of it, you see the simplicity of it, but you also see the complexity. And it's just, it's so beautiful to begin to embrace that thinking, especially if you're really trying to help people get well.

Yeah. So copper is not one of the things that I've ever been tested for. When I go to my functional medicine doctor, it's not something we even look at or ask people, hey, are you taking in your copper? Are there good tests that you recommend to test for copper?

Not really. I mean, we have some options. I put together what's called the Full Monty iron panel and there are websites where you can order that test on your own. What we're up against, Sandra, is the testing. Conventional testing for copper will tell you how high it is, what its height is, but it won't measure its iq. So how tall are you?

Five, six.

Okay, you're five, six. Well, I'm six feet and because I'm six inches taller, that means I must be smarter, right? No, it doesn't work that way, does it? Your height has nothing to do with your iq. And so what we're restricting in the world of, of conventional medicine and dentistry is the FDA only allows you to measure the height of copper, not its iq. There are five definitive IQ tests for copper that are done in research labs all the time with four legged rodents, but not the two legged rodents. And so we don't know the functional capacity of our copper. So it's, it's out of sight, out of mind. And if you don't know about it, then it's easier to believe in chronic disease. And even the, even the world of functional medicine doesn't really understand how energy is made. I mean, there's some really, really gifted practitioners out there, as you well know. And, and if there is a deficit of energy, well, there's going to be a dysfunction of metabolism. And it's just, it's so central to how our body works. And all I'm trying to do is introduce a very different way of thinking about the symptoms that we experience and what are some straightforward ways to resolve them.

You also talk about, in your book about the ceruloplasm. So I really want to Address this. A lot of people don't even know what that is.

That's right. So how much time do we have? We got six days.

So I know you can simplify it.

I will. So cerulo plasma, it's a very important protein. It's probably one of the largest proteins in the human body, but it. It holds up to eight copper atoms. So it's. It's 1066amino acids. To contrast that with, like, oxytocin, very powerful hormone that has nine amino acids. Oxytocin's got. It's got some punch to it. And. And here we have culo plasma, 1066, which is A. Like a. It's like a starship and it's got eight coppers inside it. But what it does is it. It runs and regulates a lot of activity in the body. And it was first identified in the 40s, but first formally written about in 1948 by Holberg and Law Bottle. They were two Swedish physiologists and they thought they. They unveiled the Holy Grail. Well, they had. And Big Pharma has been demonizing it ever since because it does a lot of really important functions inside the body. And it's made principally in our liver, but it's made all over our body. You know, our. It turns out the retina of the eye. The retina of the eye makes eight times more ceruloplasmin than our liver.

Wow.

Which is. Than our brain. But that's an enormous. The retina versus the brain. You think about the tissue mass. And so 9% of the copper in our body is in our brain. It's incredibly important. And we don't think about these types of things. And so the ceruloplasmin protein is the master antioxidant protein in the body. A lot of your listeners have heard of glutathione. Well, glutathione is actually. It's the master antioxidant in the cell, and it basically functions as a greeter. And what is it like to greet most of all copper and get copper to where it needs to be to do its work. What's the master antioxidant of the mitochondria? It's called melatonin. Melatonin isn't just a sleep aid. It's one of the most important antioxidants in our body. But they're found in the mitochondria and they go back to the beginning of time. They go back several billion years ago. And then ceruloplasmid is the master antioxidant in the blood, and it's moving copper throughout the tissue as the need arises. And it's just. It's a. It's a very important piece of the puzzle. But most practitioners have never heard of it.

Yeah. So why. Why today? Is there a deficiency in copper? More than ever, probably.

They've altered the farming system. They've altered food processing and they've altered pharmaceuticals. And when they introduced NPK after the First World War.

The fertilizer.

The fertilizer, yeah. Nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium.

That's right.

It really helped farmers grow things. Right. NPK was for munitions. They had to get rid of the munitions from the First World War. And there's a very elegant book out there called Soil Grass Cancer, written by a famous biochemist named Andre Wasan. V O I S I N and his hobby was dairy farming. He was a biochemist by. By day and dairy farmer by early morning and night. But in the book, he talked about the fact that his customers were getting cancer, and he wanted to know why. And he realized that NPK was blocking copper uptake, so it wasn't getting in the corner grass. So it wasn't getting in the cow wasn't getting in the milk wasn't getting in the customer. Well, then along comes something called glyphosate. And people might know it as Roundup. Yes. And glyphosate is a very power. It was originally developed as a mineral chelator for cleaning out industrial pipes. Industrial pipes get calcified and they need to be cleaned out.

Yes.

So along comes glyphosate to clean out the pipes. And then they realized that the companies that were using the glyphosate, there was no vegetation growing where the pipe was leaking out. So, hey, we've got a weed killer.

Oh, my God.

And so then it became a weed killer. And Don Huber, who is a world renowned agricultural chemist, he wrote a book in December of 22 about the use of petrochemicals in South Africa. Because the problem's only in South Africa.

Right, Right.

But in any event, he has a chart in the. In the book on pages 81 through 84 for the. For the real Curious George's out there. But he reveals that glyphosate chelates copper a billion times faster than it chelates magnesium and calcium.

Wow.

And it chelates copper a thousand times faster than it chelates iron and zinc. Now, the challenge we've got, Sandra, is that you and I can't relate to those numbers. We've never seen a Thousand times faster or a billion times faster. So it just kind of like goes right over our head. But these are really powerful mechanisms. And so that's one principal reason why we don't have much copper. It's not in the soil. Then you have food refining. And what's the sugar of choice in modern food processing? It's called fructose. High fructose corn syrup. High fructose corn syrup chelates copper. What a coincidence. And then we have a whole series of medications that have been developed. Most of the medications that are used in modern medicine chelate either magnesium or copper or both. Who knew? I didn't. I didn't know that when I was working in hospitals. I had no knowledge of that.

Very interesting you say that. I just want to make a side note. I was just talking about this in a previous episode, how antidepressants decrease the success of implant integration. And then I read in your book that antidepressants actually chelate copper and chelate magnesium. Yes, and magnesium. So I think there's definitely a correlation there about why we see such a big failure rate when it comes to people on antidepressants and dental implants.

And I think at the base of it is lack of energy. The tissue can't make energy. It can't hold that implant. The ability to make energy is one mechanism for measuring the integrity of the tissue. Another is how well is it. Is it flexible? Is it strong? It's another measure of integrity. Is it the right color? You know what I was describing in a class recently? The spleen is supposed to be the color of an eggplant with a very vibrant purple color, like the color of the book. And there was a surgeon in the class, he said, morley, I've never seen a purple spleen. And so what's important to learn from that is that all of the colors, from yellow to black, inside our body, all the organs have different colors. The gallbladder's got to be vibrant green. Right. Heart's got to be red. Purple spleen. And if they don't have those colors, they don't have integrity. They don't have functional integrity because the color has frequency, it has purpose. There's a reason why it's purple. There's a reason why it's red.

Absolutely.

And so if the. If the organ can't recreate that color, it can't ensure its vitality. So all the colors require copper.

Yes, of course. So, okay, so we have deficient minerals in the soil. We have, you know, the. The fertilizers. That are taking the copper. We have medications taking the copper out. So, so we have a problem. We have this crisis of mineral deficiency. So what can we do about it? I hope you have some good news for us.

Oh, absolutely. As I've told people, I said, you think I would work this hard to if I didn't have an answer? So you had the benefit of reading the first half of the book which describes the problem. Well, the back half of the book is what's the answer? And it's called the Root Cause Protocol and it's broken into two parts. There's a series of stops. Stop doing this. And there's a series of starts. And what will surprise your followers and your listeners is a lot of the stops that we're very emphatic about are considered gospel and alternative healing. You know, we tell people to stop taking calcium, stop taking iron, stop taking vitamin D, stop taking ascorbic acid. Ascorbic acid is very different than whole food. Vitamin C. Absolutely. Very different. And, and so there's about 12 stops and there's about 12 starts. And the starts are broken into phases just to break it up and make it a little bit more palatable as people go forward. And we've just released just literally in the last week, the latest version of our handbook for the RCP. People can go to the website RCP for root cause protocol protocol rcp123.org and go to Resources. And under Resources you can then sign up for the handbook and you donate your email address. We'll honor that. And we will then send you the, the link. And it's, it's a, it's a pretty robust document in and of itself. It's about 80 pages now, but it's been completely rewritten. Got pictures and a lot of helpful information because we're now seven years into this process. So we've had a lot of experience with tens of thousands of people. And I think your, your listeners would find it very helpful to download that as a wonderful resource guide to get into this process of tapping into the, into the wisdom of Mother Nature that knows how to keep us in balance.

Yes, I highly recommend this download. I'm going to put the link is in the show notes so you can download it there. And it's very generous of you to include 80 pages of, you know, after thousands of hours of research to just give it as a gift. So thank you for that.

Well, you know, I, there's method to my madness. When I realized what the problem was, what really drove me me was to democratize healing. We were never designed to have an ologist for every part of our body. What, what really impressed me the most about the meeting with the biological dentist, that I'd never understood that each tooth is an organ that was so powerful. I, I mean, I've taken courses with Jerry Tennant. I know about the, the meridians and the connections between the tooth and the organs, but I never thought of, of these beautiful dents as actual organs in and of themselves. So that was a real breakthrough for me. But, but what I really want to do is make this information available so people can take control of their situation. And I think we've been hijacked. We've been hijacked by the, the system. And I don't think we were ever designed to not be able to keep ourselves in balance. So.

Yes, and I see, you know, a lot of patients that have recurrent tooth pain and their teeth have an inability to heal. And I think that comes from the cellular energy that you mentioned. And I, for sure, as a practitioner, will be more conscious about, too, talking to patients about increasing their foods that are rich in minerals.

Yep, absolutely.

Increasing the copper via supplementation. And we're going to put the link for your copper supplement in the show notes as well. For people who are interested and for.

People, I don't know how many, I think they're called dentocytes. Actual cells for the tooth.

Yes.

Forgive my ignorance, but what I do know is that there's 500 mitochondria in each dental site. Wow. And so think back when you were in high school. Think back on that biology textbook that you used. They all had a picture of the, of the mitochondria, right?

Yes.

And the picture of the mitochondria had maybe two, maybe three mitochondria.

Yeah.

The cell had two or three mitochondria. No, again, the average cell has 500. So the dental site is like the average cell. The average liver cell has 2,000 mitochondria. Kidney cell 4,000. Heart cell, 10,000. The mature egg in a woman's body, 600,000 mitochondria are their brain regions, especially the substantia nigra. 2 million mitochondria per neuron. So those are really big numbers. But I think for you as a dentist, be thinking about your clients and what are they doing to stimulate the energy production in those 500 mitochondria per dental cell.

Absolutely. So if I know we have some practitioners listening, how can they, how can we learn more about root cause protocol? Do you have a class that you're teaching or you know, we'd love to dive deeper into the sub.

There's a whole series of points along the spectrum, joining social media, there's a magnesium advocacy group and there's a Facebook page, the, the RCP Facebook page. Lot of active discussion there. There's an RCP community online and people, and we get together a couple times a month, do Q and as do presentations, things like that. There's the book that you've got that you can come up, cure your fatigue. Cure your fatigue. And then the more significant investment is to sign up for the RCP Institute, which meets twice a year for 16 weeks. They are introducing people to how the body really works, how important the minerals really are. And there's a recorded class, there's reading material, there's a case study, there's study groups, and then there's a live class for 16 classes. And it's over a thousand people now that have had the chance to do that. They're absolutely mesmerized by what they've learned. And it's transformed practices because practitioners didn't know that they were getting only part of the story. And so what the course does is it introduces people to the fundamentals, but creates a safe environment to ask the questions to better understand how can I do the crosswalk between my training and what this is teaching? And we have these ongoing dialogues all the time to help people connect those dots. And my goal is I'd love to train 10,000 people and I might just make it before I kick the bucket. But the thing is, it is really getting ahead of steam. People are very excited about it and I'm really honored that we have a very well oiled machine to introduce these concepts to the public and to the practitioner who are both clamoring for this type of information.

Yeah, definitely. The root cause protocol through the institute is good for just any consumer to take and practitioner.

Right. Because everyone's on equal footing.

Yeah.

About these, these minerals and what we found is that we've debated should we separate them and get the practitioners away from the public. And we found there's, there's real symmetry there, there's real chemistry. They each realize, oh my gosh, we don't understand this. And, and they really become very engaged in the process of discovery. So we've kept together.

I think it goes back to, you know, reminds me of how you started this conversation with the innate healer. I think you're teaching the regular consumer how to be their own healer.

Which, which is amazing. Absolutely. And the thing is, what I've learned over the years. Out of a hundred people, there may be two or three who are very willing to take on this task. The other 97, eight, they want, they want a guide. They want to. They want to have someone there that can support them. And I think that's fine. There's strength in both sides. So I think we're trying to honor both components of society in that approach.

Yeah, absolutely. That's great. Well, this was definitely an enlightening conversation. We probably could have talked for another hour. And we will actually leave for everyone, part two Coming up. We're going to be diving into vitamin D and Morley's thoughts on vitamin D, because you do mentioned a little bit earlier, do not take vitamin D. So please join us next week to dive into that conversation.

I look forward to that. That'll be a lot of fun. That's the biggest hurdle for people to overcome when they think, oh, oh, my gosh, maybe there's more to the story. And that's really what we're trying to introduce.

Perfect. Thank you so much, Marlee.

Okay, very good. Thanks for the opportunity.

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