From Root Canal Removal to Whole-Body Healing with Dr. Richard & Alina Porcelli

Hi everybody, I'm Dr. Sanda Moldovan, periodontist and nutritionist. Welcome to the Holistic Dentistry Podcast, the show that gives you the tips and tools to detoxify your mouth for a healthier body as we explore together the root cause of disease. Remember, you're not healthy until your mouth is healthy, so take care of it in the most in a natural way.

Hi everyone.

Welcome to another episode on the Holistic Dentistry Show. I'm your host, Dr. Sanda Moldovan, and with me today is the dynamic duo of biological dentistry. Dr. Rich Porcelli is a leading biologic and regenerative dentist based in the beautiful Lowcountry of Hilton Head, South Carolina. And alongside we have the amazing hygienist, his wife Alina. He co-founded the Biological Center for Dentistry, a premier wellness-focused practice, ideally situated between the coastal cities of Savannah, Georgia, and Charleston, South Carolina, on the southeastern coast of the United States. So welcome both to the show.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for having us.

And besides that, we also share the fact that we're Romanian.

That's right.

But I want to hear more about you two and, and, you know, how did you get to be biological dentists? Because I interview so many people hopefully more to come, biological dentist and hygienist. And it's really interesting how we get to where we are. So how did the story start for the two of you?

I think it was more, for us, it was more, for myself actually, it was more personal before it became professional. Going through my own health journey, that was the path for us. Tell me.

More about that? Like what kind of things were you going through?

I was going through a lot of toxicity myself and it was a journey to find out what that even was, cuz I didn't know at that time.

You had to become an investigator.

So yeah, so we became our own investigators.

And did you know each other at that point?

We did. Yes. Yes. So we went to, we met in dental school, moved, uh, from New York City. We went to NYU, we moved to Charleston, South Carolina. And, um, is that where your problem started? Yes. Yes. That was the first year.

No, the big, the biggest part of the story is this, is when we were in dental school, Alina had to go to the doctor all the time because she always had this kidney issues and she had all of these different types of neck pains and discomforts.

Mm-hmm.

And that's where I started to notice that like, why does she always seem to have to go to the doctor? So I used to always ask her, I'm like, she was like, oh, I have this kidney thing. Now fast forward a few years after we graduated school. Mm-hmm. And then we were in dental practice together running a conventional practice. We started to just pay attention more to other people being very sick, and then she started to to question more about what was going on with her. And a lot of it was being tied to the fact that the journey led us towards alternative medicine, learning about, you know, full body connection with the mouth. And that was through a program that one of the doctors that was a periodontist that worked with us in our office was Dr. Al Dannenberg. So he is now deceased, but he was, in my opinion, in many regards, one of the original biologic periodontists. But because we actually started seeking truth 15 years ago about Why are people sick? And it led us towards some different types of courses and programs that were teaching more about nutrition.

Hold that a little closer.

Teaching more about nutrition and, and how people are, what they eat. And then also that led to being around other people in those programs that were also naturopaths and homeopaths or functional doctors that were starting to talk about, hey, you guys are dentists. They're like, you guys are messing people up. They're like, there's a lot of toxicity coming from the mouth. Don't you know that? Those mercury fillings that are in those silver fillings, like that affects the system.

And then were you shocked to hear that?

Well, we didn't hear that in school, right? You know, so when, when you start to go ahead and hear that things from other people, not in your own field, you start kind of like looking at them side-eyed. Yeah. But at the same time, you're like, that kind of makes a little bit of sense because what you put in your body, even with food. And we grew up in homes where in Romania, just like, you know, yeah, people eat from the farm.

Yeah.

It's like, it's real food. When you come here to Europe and now being in France right now, it's like people, the food is different in the United States. Things have really took a downturn for decades where, you know, the foods today are genetically modified or they have different types of pesticides sprayed on 'em. So you have to be very conscious about that. So when you start learning about how these things are connected, because you're putting that in your mouth, so it starts in the, in the dental field, cuz your mouth is where nutrition starts.

Yes.

But then also the bio burdens of metals and toxicity, root canals. And that's where her journey started, was when we started to learn from some of these passionate doctors that were going further.

Mm-hmm.

And saying, hey, there's toxicity issues, the system, the systemic issues of how the body is fully connected. We learned about root canals at one of the courses I was at. And I came home and I said, Alina, I'm like, I just learned about why your kidney issues might be affecting you. I'm like, those two root canals you have on your front teeth, cuz she in Romania used to do martial arts and judo. And I think that from trauma, something happened, then she had to get these two root canals done. But years later, kidney issues. And she was like, what do you mean? I never heard that before. I'm like, well, they're talking about how these meridian systems of tooth organs, tooth being an organ, but also teeth connecting to the rest of the body. I said, it's showing that when I looked on the chart and I'm learning this for the first time, I'm like, your two front teeth are actually on your kidney meridian. And I said, there may be a connection here. And that's when we had that conversation. And she looked at me and I was a cosmetically trained dentist at that point where I was doing all my Beginning of my class learning was in cosmetics. So I said, well, I said, she's like, what am I supposed to do? Take out my two front teeth? I'm like, well, I think that that's kind of what I'm learning. I'm like, and if we have to do that, it's also about what kind of implants, because it looks like titanium is a problem because you don't want to put metals because it interferes with the system. So I said, they're talking about ceramics.

Yeah. That's so scary. And I know we have a mix of people listening to our show. We have patients.. And then we have dentists and hygienists as well. But, but from a patient perspective, how scary was that for you to now have to remove your two front teeth?

I thought he's crazy.

Yeah.

It's like I had to definitely start my digging into finding out more about it.

Was she ready? Were you the one to do it?

I was not ready.

I was the one that had to restore. This beautiful girl.

Yes.

And I was like, how am I—

No, it took a while. It took a few years from that point to make the decision.

Yeah. She took a little bit of time to make that decision because it's a lot to take in to think about taking out teeth, especially at 20.

And you have to learn more about it.

Yes. And like you, you know, there's patients out there that even when they come to me for consultation, I'm sure you're seeing this, this too, Rich, is I, they come in and we tell them to take some teeth out and they're like, Nobody else has said this. And they're not ready.

They're not ready.

They're not ready for it. And that's okay.

Like you said, planting the seed and letting them know that there are systemic connections. If you keep something dead in the body, it doesn't matter how well it's done. And, and you know, sometimes there could be a time and a place for patients to be at their own level comfortably to make that decision, but to just let them know that there's alternatives and that keeping something that maintains infection, which root canals do, you know, you can clean out the main nerve branch. But there's all inner workings of that tooth, as you know, that can harbor and maintain toxic load. Yeah. So that is gonna effectively be a low-grade chronic infection the whole time that it's stable. And what does that do for health optimization? It keeps you suppressed.

Yeah. We can't be healthy until our mouth is healthy. So what happened next? So a few years later, you decide to remove the teeth. What did you replace them with?

Yeah.

And how'd you feel?

So it was a hard decision until the moment of the surgery, to be honest. But the moment I, I just felt relief. It was just unbelievable. Like something opened up and I just connected, reconnected kind of.

Like immediately while you were in the chair? Yes. That's incredible. I, I hear patients say that to me too.

I cried that morning and she's like, listen, if you don't wanna do it, you still have, you can change your mind. I was like, no, I, I'm gonna do it. I, I know enough now to make this decision. I had to be supportive. I knew it was the right thing to do. Psychological, it was very hard.

Yeah.

But it was the best decision. And we replaced it, we were able to, because I wasn't, I didn't have an active infection, so we were able to place an immediate implant. We did a zirconia implant. Everything healed beautiful.

It looks beautiful.

Good job.

Yes, thank you.

That was when I was working out of the New York office with Dr. Alex Volchanok.

How's that going?

Him and I together, I was a fellow periodontist.

Yeah.

So him and I were working together in New York when I used to go up from South Carolina to New New York, and it was amazing that we were actually to co-collaborate on her case. And he did the surgery cuz sometimes you don't wanna do the surgery on your spouse. You're right. You wanna go ahead and say, hey, I'm gonna have my friend do that.

Although I would do surgery on my spouse.

So I, yeah, well, you know, she, she tried to convince me even with her CSRs and which is, you know, the covered socket residuums and the cavitations. So we basically had that conversation too. And, and it was, it was a consensus that no, you don't do, I'm not gonna do surgery on my wife. I'll do the cosmetic. Who a lot of people now are learning is really an amazing educator in bone infection and what is lingering in people's jaws from these surgical sites. So many people are getting these third molar wisdom teeth taken out for decades and not realizing that there could be pathologic activity still going on in those sites because maybe it wasn't cleaned out properly. Maybe the, maybe the tooth had a very difficult extraction where a lot of bone was removed and you don't get full healing. Mm-hmm. And you get encapsulation and things could be lingering right in these areas that happen to be on the meridian system, linking to your gut and your immune system, as you know.

Yeah.

Acrosses your central nervous system, anxiety, mental fogging. You know, there, there's so many aspects of it, how it connects to different parts of the body and the parts of the spinal column. So all the things that she had going on that was linking to some specific issues with like even post-thyroid issues. And to bring it up, cuz I know you've talked about it before. Breast implant removal.

Mm-hmm.

Another place where thyroid issues, Hashimoto's, where she was just like, a lot of this.

Now I have everything in remission.

Now, amazing. I'm so happy to hear that.

Root canal removal, breast implant removal, cavitation.

CSR.

Covered socket residuum. CSR, which is what we're calling it now. Corrected.

What a journey for you, Alina.

Has been a journey. So I guess now is the path to become Yes. Good practitioners. We practice what we preach and, uh, for each to experience that firsthand. Yeah. It's so important for patients cuz they can relate to some. And we had the patient, for example, that, um, lost her front teeth because of, I think she was on a horse or in a horse accident.

Oh my goodness.

And it's just, it's traumatic.

For sure.

So for patients to see actually a final result in front of them.

For sure, 'cause you've been through it and you can relate. Yes, absolutely. You know, I feel through the health challenges, you know, we learn the most and, and we got us here where we are. And how have you changed your protocol? So now you get a new patient in the door, how do you look at things? Where do you start?

Wow. So, so this is a, this is a great topic because we went into a very big detail. We've been here in at the Cannes Film Festival for this, going through all the different podcast stations and explaining what we do in biologic dentistry. And you know, it, the way that we handle things in our practice is for full health optimization. We don't just look at teeth, we look at the person, we look at the soul. So everything is spiritual. A healthy spirit and soul helps you have a beautiful, healthy mind, and your mind helps you to go ahead and be aware of how you take care of your temple, which is your body. And your body is— it's very interesting what you watch and what you think and what you speak, what you put on it, what you put in it. It all affects the temple. So you have to deal with patients on a health level for health optimization. You have to think about and help them to be understanding that you have to go sometimes deep in, even into your own heart. You have to go ahead and go into the wounds and the spaces in your deep inside where you've been hurt through trauma and emotional issues or broken heart syndrome from having a breakup in a relationship or a spousal, you know, marriage dispute or children that are, have a drug addiction. It's like you, people deal, everybody has stuff.

Yeah.

But you have to deal with that stuff because if not, your, your whole system is, is, is in a high level of fight or flight. It's in stress.

Yes.

And the cortisol levels are high. And if you think you're gonna try to heal without handling your internal stuff, you can take out all the mercury fillings you want. You can remove your, your, your root canals and maybe put the ceramic implants and do all the better biological techniques, but you have to work on your heart. You have to work on the broken heart that happens to a lot, that a lot of people have. And I think that once they open up to the God presence, you know, you have to seek.

And when you seek it, healing starts there.

Healing starts there.

So how do you guide somebody through that? Because a lot of times probably people don't come to you thinking, oh, okay, I need to work on my emotional, uh, ga— uh, so not garbage, but baggage. What is it? Garbage.

Yeah.

It's a great question. But the segue in our office to that question is a question that we actually ask in our, you know, documentation, which is at the end of our exam, I always ask patients, are you happy? It's a big question. Are you happy? Do you feel like something's missing from your life? And it pains me and makes me so upset to see that so many people really are unhappy or they're missing something. So for me, when I know that somebody's in a broken state, and because I've worked through some of my own things in my life, but I've also been— I was fortunate that we both grew up in very loving homes. I think God's work for us is to allow that to come through us because we're supposed to love people and we're supposed to love one another. So I think by listening and having that human connection, And being able to express that to people and to be a voice that being a, being a someone to listen that listens. I think that's a way to go ahead and help them understand that there's bigger things out there that you have to, you know, sometimes seek and just even when you're by yourself, patients do open up. They do. They want, I think they want it. Once they hurt, they actually do.

They feel like they are hurt.

They're at different levels. Mm-hmm. Because some people are ready to jump right into it and they're already on that journey. Some people are trying to feel that journey out and they're hearing things from other people, but. There's a revival happening on many levels. 'Cause I think people are becoming more heightened and alert because people have been really chronically ill and dealing with a lot of stress and a lot of family strife and bad situations growing up. So I think people really wanna have that, that contact and communication and technology's great and all that stuff with everything we're dealing with, with, you know, social media and all this stuff. But at the same time, human connection is where everything starts with health and it starts in the family.

Yes. You, you remind me of the old Greek, you know, philosophers, they used to treat the mind, body, spirit.

Yeah.

Not just, let's zoom them out, let's drill, fill, and bill type of philosophy. And also with dentistry, we're looking in the mouth and that's the one place that we see inside. And it's a very intimate time. And I always feel patients have to find a practitioner that they can really connect with so they can be open to. And I agree with you, once we start looking in the mouth, they feel somewhat like more connected to us than maybe a loved one because of that connection. And they do, you see them opening up to you.

Yes. And unfortunately we are maybe their last hope as biologic dentists. So they seek, they are, I feel that they are more open to listen to us also.

Yeah.

That's true. I think that the way we added spiritual guidance into our practice, which is to really kind of come from that perspective, a lot of people aren't hitting that area as much as they should, because it's a very bold topic.

It is.

And you have to be, I think, confident and comfortable with your inner space yourself. That's why most doctors and most health practitioners, they need to work on themselves first, go deep on themselves. Because once they do that, it's like I made a comment before, it's like being in an airplane. It's like if an airplane's going down, it's like you gotta go ahead and grab the oxygen and help yourself first, then you can help everybody else.

That's right.

So you have to take care of yourself first.

Yeah.

So if, if that's where you're lacking in your practice, like for any practitioners out there, it's like start doing some of the work spiritually and start seeking God and, you know, be in, be in your quiet space and just say, if you're real God, just just show yourself to me. It's the way that many of the people here that I've had this conversation with, that's how they came on their own path. Many of them was through just having like hopelessness and despair and finally just reaching out and asking for help through just speaking it.

Yeah.

And for some of us, it was more about wanting to go deeper into the truth and learning more. And that's when things really started to even open up more. So it's, it's been an amazing journey to have a God-filled home and then sharing that with our patients to go ahead and express that love to other people because You know, as a Christian, you know, our biggest thing is love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we share that with every single patient because that's the truth. That's the way to live an optimized healthy life is to have that.

So if you find that one of your patients needs spiritual guidance, do you offer that as one of your first course of actions?

You gotta feel the patient out. I think a lot of them sometimes are, believe it or not, ready for somewhat of a conversation, but It gets deeper as you start to evolve and, and, and grow with the patient.

I think it's so good to meet them where they are.

I do.

And guide them from there.

Yeah. Cuz you don't want to, you, you can't be pushy with this stuff because this is a journey for each person to be on their own. But you can plant a seed and help them understand that there's bigger things that they have to look at to optimize themselves. Because it's not just, like I said, it's not just about, you know, what your toxicity levels are for your dental teeth. It's like, yeah, it's, that's great and all that we do the dentistry and I can help you remove that safely and do all the protocols, or we can do You know, the root canal removals and ceramic implants and like, I love all of that tech, the technology, the technological or the techie part of dentistry to be the technician. You know, Dr. Dominic, Dr. Domi, like what I love about it is that he, he says the same thing. He says, we gotta go from the technician to the health expert. And a health expert is gonna handle it on all those parameters. It's gonna be spiritual, mind, and body. And you have to talk about nutrition because nutrition is how you prep people to even get their health right, even with their dental, because everything that becomes surgical needs to be proper foundation, getting, you know, getting their body to optimize the healing so that they can go ahead and, and really shift well.

Yeah. Do most of your patients who come in already have like somebody in functional medicine that is helping them with nutrition or?

A lot of them.

A lot of them do. Okay. What about the ones that don't? It's like, how do you, how long do you feel it takes you to work on their nutrition before they're ready for dentistry?

That's a, that's a good question because, you know, we're in South Carolina, so unfortunately we have people from all around the world that are coming there and living there. And I think they found out that it's one of the coolest places to live.

Oh, good to know.

It's beautiful. So when you come visit, we'll show you the farm. We have a little farm. It's amazing.

I love it.

Um, but it's, um, I'm sorry, I just lost my train of thought.

Yeah. About the nutrition.

How long does it take you to— Oh, so nutrition. Yeah. No, nutrition for us is really about helping people get back to the roots of using recipes and going into cookbooks and learning online from how to pick the certain types of foods that you like and be able to build it from scratch yourself and create it in your own home. Meals should be cooked in the home. There's a lot of love that goes into when you put your own effort into cooking. Just like, you know, we're fortunate we have mamaia and tataia, which is Romanian. So grandma and grandpa, they live with us in our home.

My mom lives with us as well. Yes.

I think people should go more back to living with their families. I think that's another thing that as how the old world used to do it and how it's still in Europe. A lot of people still live with their families. I just met one of the, one of the Uber drivers that was dropping us off was a young guy and is about 26 years old and he was talking about how he's still living with his family and he loves living with the parents.

Nice.

And I was like, that's beautiful. I mean, because they're all helping one another and he's helping to support the family. They're supporting him. Everyone works together. It's cohesive.

Yeah, I love it. That's really good. And, uh, you know, do you do any testing in order to see where they are nutritionally or you usually refer them out nutritionally? No.

Medicine, if we ask for blood panels and we wanna see, you know, specifically food journaling, what's been great is the, the food, the food design protocol that Dr. Dominic had put together. We go, we have, you know, mastermind meetings to go over these things. And that's been great implementation is to look at the supplementation that are necessary for getting the, the, the foundation set. Mm-hmm. But it takes months. Sometimes it could take people also making their changes with, their nutritional habits personally by saying, well, maybe I'm not gonna start eating that anymore. Maybe after I eat that last one that's at the house, stop buying it.

Yeah.

And start eating real food, whole food, non, like anti-inflammatory foods.

Yeah.

But it takes time because even for myself, for Alina, it was easier, I think, than when you did a lot of changes nutritionally. She was very quick to make very quick decisions to say, I think I'm gonna just not do that anymore. For me, I had some comfort foods that I still liked a number of years ago that I'm like, kind of hard for me to make that transition so fast.

What's your favorite, uh, comfort Romanian food?

Well, my comfort Romanian food is sarmale. Oh yes, sarmale. Yes. And miete-tei on the grill.

Nice. Very nice. So miete-tei could be on the healthier side.

Yeah, that's on the healthier side. So I get, I get away with that. Yeah, for sure.

Amazing. What about you, Alina? Your favorite Romanian comfort food?

I think it's still sarmale too.

Sarmale.

Yes.

Yes. Yes.

Stuffed cabbage. Stuffed cabbage.

Stuffed cabbage with meat and rice and It's amazing.

And it's fermented cabbage, so it actually has its health benefits too.

Exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. My mom's still up to today. She, she ferments her own cabbage. You know, you probably do too. Yes. It's the best. I agree.

Pickling is one of the best things you can do for your microbiome is to go ahead and have a good probiotic like that.

Absolutely.

That's something, you know, that's been in Romanian culture for a long time.

Actually, that's my breakfast.

Pomu. Pickles and eggs and stuff like that.

Pickles and eggs. Um, actually cabbage juice. Will drink that as a probiotic first thing in the morning.

What do you drink? A little table, like a little, a shot glass?

Yes.

Very true. You know, and that is so healthy for your microbiome. Absolutely.

Yeah.

Great. Yes. Fermented foods every day for sure. What other recommendations do you have for, for dental health?

Dental health?

Well, I think, I think there's a level of fasting that I think is important for letting apoptosis happen in the body to go ahead and get some of those degenerative cells cleared up. Movement. I think you need a lot of movement because everything is about lymphatic drainage. So being able to get into some level of activity, whether it's like playing a sport, whether it's tennis or pickleball, or, you know, I do jiu-jitsu. I think that that's so important for movement. But specifically with nutrition, I think you just have to keep things more simple. I think most of the time when we eat during the week, we're eating simple, like grass-fed, grass-finished ground beef. Sometimes we'll do it with some sautéed vegetables in it, or sometimes we'll make it like a like a Mexican style and put some spices in it.

Nice.

And we eat that with like avocado and maybe like a little bit of sweet potato, but we stay very simple eating during the week, like fuel. And if you look at food like fuel during the week, but then on the weekend maybe enjoy a little bit more of like fun time at the house to go ahead and create like masterful recipes and get a little bit more experimental. Right. I think that's where it gets kind of fun. But yeah, but that's like getting back into the whole, everyone should be cooking.

Yes.

Don't, don't rely on restaurants.

He is something else because Rich, if he didn't go to dental school, he would've been on amazing chef. Really? It's his passion. He will work 10 hours, 12 hours a day, and then he'll go home and cook, but something elaborate. Oh, great. It's like, oh, let me just make— Lucky you.

Yes.

I'm like, I'm just gonna stay here, watch you. I can clean after.

She's an amazing cook too.

Passion.

Not passion, but you got, you definitely got skills because she puts love into it. So.

Of course. Of course. You know, I love the way you practice and you created this whole, you know, spirituality surrounding dentistry. And I know we have some dentists listening to the show thinking, wow, I never thought I could actually spirituality.

They tell you don't talk about religion and politics. I don't care.

Yes.

At this time of day now, people are too messed up. People are suffering. And if you get strong in your own faith, there gets to be a point that you just have to help people. You almost have to pastor them too, because a lot of them are struggling. And if you care about people, you need to take it to the next level. You have to start asking them like, why are they unhappy? What's affecting them spiritually? And if you have some level of guidance, even if it's just personal, small level testimony, or if you ever become really close with your patients enough to give them more testimony, you know, Your testimony for your life is that we've all been broken on some level at some point, and we've been through stuff and helping other people understand that, hey, everyone's got stuff and this is how we help each other by being actually communicating about it and talking about it. You know, it's, it's very important. You gotta just open up a little bit and don't be afraid.

Yeah.

Because people aren't gonna, they really aren't gonna judge you as much as they think they are. Yeah. I mean, granted, maybe with politics some people do, but if you really truly understand that, that's all WWF wrestling anyway. A lot of that's all basic crap.

So true. Now I have two more questions, one for Alina and one for you, Rich. What advice do you have for patients that need to take care of dental work and they're scared? And then for you, Rich, what advice do you have for dentists that are looking to do more biological things, to learn more? Where should they go first? So whoever wants to go first.

Yours is about the one people being scared?

What advice do you have for patients listening that want to start with their dental work, but they're scared and they don't know where to start?

Yes, I think listening to testimonials, just doing a little bit of searching of finding the right provider. I think that's a good start. If somebody's spiritual, find somebody that you relate with. But definitely the, you know, interview your dentist. And if you don't feel that it's the right person for you, it's a, it's kind of like a marriage, like in everything. And if you don't find that relationship, then keep searching.

Okay. Great advice.

Yes.

My question about, you know, how to, what to tell other people looking to maybe become biologic dentists, it's very important that you continue your education. It's one of the, it's one of the things that I learned actually even before becoming biologic is that when I, when I graduated from NYU Dental School 20 years ago, I was fortunate that I was in a class where they didn't require residency. And I opted to do residency because I had some mentors that said, hey, you should go further and work with some specialists. They said, you should do a residency. And I'm like, well, no one's doing that. Like everyone wants to come out, they're broke, they want to go ahead and start making money. It was the best decision that I ever made was listening to that advice because I went in, worked for one whole year, less income, but gained a wealth of knowledge being around specialists that started to teach me how to look at the bigger picture of dental and how to look at the mouth in more complexity for reconstruction. So as I looked at it from that standpoint, it took me into further programs like the Dawson Academy, the Kois Institute, the Pankey McKay Institute. These are places where people should always start because if you want to be a good biologic dentist, which I'll get to in a second, you have to be a very good restorative and reconstructive dentist first and foremost. Because if not, you could be damaging and hurting a lot of people with not doing the restorative work, right? Because it's not the same as doing just single filling and little small bridges. This is like full mouth reconstruction, opening up bites. It's a lot more involved cosmetic people feeling good biologically about how they look when you're done with them. But when you get into the next level of biologic, then you have to start learning about what could you use in your office from ozone therapy and how to use that for disinfecting and, and using that from surgery to periodontics, you know, dialing into nutritional programs and learning about nutrition and how to guide people through nutrition and, and optimizing their terrain so you can get them ready for surgeries and knowing that their vitamin D levels are right. So it's like all these things go into that and, and one of the Aside from my reconstructive background, the best learning that I've done was with two great mentors for me also, which Dr. Dominik Nischwitz has his program, which is Biodentistry 3.0, and we've all worked with that. We have a whole crew of us that are all supportive of one another, helping people to really dial into what it means to truly be biologic and be a real B. And then we have Dr. Shahram Ganadi, professor, doctor, doctor, doctor. Like, he's the man. Yes, he's a total stud.

I love all the research he's doing on cavitation.

He's doing all the research on cavitation, CSR, and he is showing us how to do proper surgical techniques through cleaning the bone and getting the infection cleared up. Just like when a doctor, a medical doctor will deal with tumors and, and removing a tumor, you don't just clean out just the tumor space. You have to go into the healthy tissue. So the way he's teaching his protocols and how you get into the bone and cleanse and clear that bone and get into the bone that's viable and bleeding, you're getting sclerotic and dead tissue out, fibrotic, things that are actually inflammatory. You have to clear it properly. So his protocols and techniques are absolutely amazing and it, and it has allowed us to see our own surgery in our hands just heal faster. And we're using things on the backend with the, the red light therapies and, and, and, and things that are just super beneficial. But he's creating now because of his training and teachings, cuz he's teaching hundreds of doctors now, he's creating centers all around the globe that are becoming Gennady certified centers so that you know that when you're getting your CSRs, your cavitations treated, that they're being done according to a standardized protocol. And we're monitoring all of the medical research on the front end of what their, what their symptom, symptomology is and all of their medical conditions. We're doing biopsies on all the sites. We're looking at the histology and the microbiology and, and the pathology, and we're, we're documenting the diagnosis. And then we're looking at them postoperatively to see all of their healing postoperatively. Plus he's got a software system called Visiogenics, which is actually showing biological mapping that you can be directly right onto a site and know how much of it you need to clear, where to access in. It's taking our CBCT scans into a next level.

Yes, I've seen it. I think it's amazing.

And now it's being used for the research to show pre and post-surgery. We're actually linking the mouth to the rest of the body.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's all behind his research and his guy. So it's, it's phenomenal. So things are moving in.

I think, yes.

So that's a program that needs to go and it's in Orlando now. It's a cadaver course now. It used to be at Tufts. Now it's in Orlando and it's basically gonna be full cadaver. Immersion course, you're gonna learn how to do basic surgery all the way to advanced complex surgery techniques and learning from the master.

Yeah, that, that's so important. I'm glad you're bringing forth this information. Where can people find your practice that live in your area?

So we're Biological Center for Dentistry in South Carolina, Hilton Head Island.

Mm-hmm.

And our Instagram, @biologicalcenterfordentistry.

Very nice.

But yeah, we're looking forward to helping you and it's, uh, to advance the movement of biological dentistry.

Yeah.

Yeah. You can see what Alina created because I'm just a worker. I'm there to help. I'm there to help you. I'm gonna take care of you cuz she helps me to be a good dentist, a good biologic dentist, and she's the one that really runs the whole show. So thank you. I love that.

I love it.

Amazing.

Well, thank you both for being on the show.

Thank you for having us.

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