Secrets Between Your Teeth for a Longer, Healthier Life

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I'm Dr. Sandhya Moldovan, periodontist and nutritionist. Welcome to the holistic Dentistry podcast, the show that gives you the tips and tools to detoxify your mouth for a healthier body. As we explore together the root cause of disease. Remember, you're not healthy until your mouth is healthy, so take care of it in the most natural way.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Today's show. I'm Dr. Sanda Moldovan, your host, and today with me, I have Darwin, who is a hygienist. He was raised in Southern California. He received his bachelor degree in dental hygiene from Loma Linda University and also he is a guided biofilm therapist and laser certified hygienist. Darwin, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me.

Yeah, I'm very excited to be working with you now for a few years down at Beverly Hills Dental Health and Wellness. When we first met, I remember, I think we started chatting about different modalities of cleaning. And really the way you're practicing today is really such cutting edge hygiene. So Darwin is a hygienist. You were born and raised in Southern California, and you received your bachelor degree in dental hygiene from Loma Linda University. And you really enjoy working one on one with patients. I see you at the clinic. You want to promote healthy smile and a healthy lifestyle which you live yourself. I mean, you like to be outdoors. You travel, scuba dive. So it's an important part of our practice. And just as being a provider is to motivate patients to live a healthier life.

Yes, of course I like to promote. I mean, I love working with you because you also promote not only a healthy mouth, but also a healthy overall body.

Absolutely. So let's chat about cleaning in between the teeth. So, Darwin, explain why cleaning in between the teeth is such a critical part of keeping a healthy mouth.

Yes. So cleaning between the teeth is very critical because brushing alone, I hear, only covers about 60% of your tooth surface. So there's another 40% of your tooth surface that isn't even touched. And you're going about your day with the bacteria and plaque and biofilm that's still sitting on those 40 to 40% of that tooth surface. And especially at night when you brush and you are not getting in between, that plaque is sitting there while you're sleeping and causing that inflammation, causing that irritation in the gums. Which is why when you're brushing removes and cleans your teeth, you have to also include getting in between when people.

Are saying, oh, you know, isn't plaque just food? How can that hurt Me, if it just sits there like, what is plaque? I guess we gotta go back to that so people understand what we're talking about. Because when you look at the teeth, sometimes, you know, plaque is invisible. We can't necessarily see it with the naked eye. So people don't even know they have it. They kind of look in the mirror. Oh, yeah, looks good. But they can't see in between. So what is plaque?

So plaque is a film that lines your teeth and the plaque harbors bacteria. And whenever you eat, the bacteria metabolizes the food and carbohydrates, which causes that acidic environment. And that causes the irritation in the gum line, which is why it's important to always brush, get in between the teeth to clean and remove that plaque.

It's kind of like, I love to give the analogy, you know, if you have a hand and you're actually washing your hands with your ears stuck together. Yes. It's never going to get right in between the fingers. So you're always going to have a dirt there. It's kind of the same, the same analogy. And if plaque sits there, let's say for some people, don't go in for their regular cleaning, so it sits there for months, maybe years in between the teeth, then what happens?

That plaque after a while starts to harden and calcify. And then that's when you get tartar, which can't be removed mechanically with home tools or home instruments. Brushing, flossing picks. Which is why it is very important to see your hygienist.

That's right.

We get a professional cleaning and have all of that removed. And also we also review your home care and your routines at home. So we like to specifically tailor routines for. Everyone has different work in their mouth. Crowns, implants, bridges. So we like to educate the patient on where the work needs to be focused on or where they need to spend more time.

So what are the main types of tools available for cleaning in between, besides floss? Everybody's familiar with floss. You know, most I don't say, oh, just floss your teeth. You can floss, floss them more. But some, for some people, it's just difficult or, you know, they have big hands, they can't get all the way in the back. So what other tools are available for cleaning in between?

Yes, there are a few. My favorite is the waterjet. I feel like that is the most effective as far as getting the hard to reach area where brushing in floss and can't even reach.

Yeah, especially like, let's say if people have Wisdom teeth. Yes. Now that's the third molar that's all the way in the back. And some people are chewing on them. Not everybody's removed. So that becomes really difficult. Especially if the gum in the back is thicker, which it normally is.

Yes, yes. Usually around the wisdom teeth there are pockets where the toothbrush can't reach to the base of. So that is, those are areas where plaque food will sit and isn't removed with the traditional brush.

Yeah. My favorite tool is also the water jet. I actually travel with mine with the Orasana water flosser because it's easy nowadays. Before we saw these units, you know, sitting next to the sink. And those are still available, but they're clunky. I mean, you can't travel with one of those.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually bought my parents one. And we're in the kitchen and I was trying to explain how to use it. And you have to have the hose in your mouth and then push the button on it and. And the whole kitchen was just wet. There's water everywhere. So I like the one you designed. It's a lot easier to use. A lot. Yeah. Very user friendly, very efficient. And you can tuck it away when you. During the day just sitting on your counter.

Exactly. That's true. Any other tools that you want to mention besides the water flosser? Yes.

There's also interproximal brushes, which they have a variety of sizes, so depending on your need, they have wider set brushes or more narrow brushes. And there are also dental picks, soft picks, which I like to keep in my car. So after a meal I'll like start to pick out any food that gets trapped. It's very convenient to use for sure. So super floss, which is a thicker floss. And.

Now where can people find these tools? Darwin? Like, you know, we're mentioning interdental brushes. I like those especially for people actually that have had gum disease and they've had periodontal surgery. Now the spaces are bigger or anybody looking in the mirror and noticing, you know, oh yeah, I'm missing gum. Now I see a black space in between the teeth. Great tool to have a bigger interdental brush to fit in those spaces.

Yes.

Like, you know, we have cylindrical brushes and we have, I like to call them Christmas tree shape brushes. What do you call them?

No, I also refer to them as Christmas tree brushes.

Okay. Yeah. So who can people find those to purchase if they're interested in like, kind of. And how, how do you fit? How do you. Let's say somebody's at home, they want to go buy them. How do you. How do you recommend that they fit them in between the teeth?

Well, you can start by always going smaller, always more narrow. They're usually in categories of fine, ultra fine, medium, or wide. But you never want to go to the widest one because you don't want to force it in areas where it doesn't fit. Yeah, so any area. So if it's your first time with the interproximal brush, you definitely want to maybe start with fine and then go from there, see where it fits comfortably. If you do feel like there are wider spaces, then you can probably go up a size from there. But like I said, the most important thing with intraproximal brushes is not forcing it between the teeth and the gums.

Yeah, I agree 100%. Now, also, I say, you know, get a variety of them in the beginning. How you can even walk into a, like a pharmacy or local CVS or something, and just. Just get a few varieties. Because some people have small spaces, let's say between canine and a premolar. And then you have really big spaces in the molar size, molar side area. So.

Yeah. And in a lot of the toothpaste aisles, if you look, they have a variety pack like you mentioned, so you can always start with that and then find the ones that fit comfortably, the ones that you feel like are doing the best job, and then go with those sizes.

You use them just from the outside or you tell people to use them from the inside as well.

I like to go because I do have like two spaces where I'll use proxy brush and I go from the outside, from the cheek side in. And then also if I can get in from the tongue side.

Yeah, And I see you have one in your hand. Is that what you have? I love it. See, that's a. That's a. Actually it cylindrical one is the TP one looks like. Yeah. See, there's a tapered one. There's a cylindrical one.

Perfect Christmas tree.

Yeah. And for those of you that want to see what these look like, if you go to my YouTube channel channel, ask Dr. Sanda, you can actually comment below also in the episodes and tell us what other subjects or topics you want to hear as part of the holistic dentistry show. But going back to the intraproximal brushes, there's some that are shorter handle, and I think the ones that you have have short handles, right? Yes. And now we have the ones that are longer handles for the back. So obviously depends where your space is. You should say, oh, you know what, these things are too small. I can't get all the way in the back. Find the ones with the longer handle and those I think the brushes you can just take off the brush and reuse the handle, which you know better for the environment to just use less plastic in general. Do you put toothpaste on these or ninjas? Do you use them dry?

I usually recommend using it after brushing since there's a little residual toothpaste in there. You can get in there and then use that toothpaste that's already lined to your gum line or your teeth and kind of just use that to get in there. Or you can apply a little bit if you feel like you need a little bit more in that area. If there's any inflammation, you can add a little extra toothpaste in there. And they are reusable. So you can rinse them off. They're not a one time use. So after your use you want to give it a little rinse, clean it off and let it air dry.

I love that. Yes. I mean my favorite way to clean them is with ozonated water because it gets the plaque off. It kills the plaque that's there, disinfects the them better. Is there a way? And I know you're a fan of ozone water, so. Yes. How can people make ozone water at home?

Well, there are different generators, different systems you can use. But an easiest way is to get a little tumbler which we do have here. We use one of these. You just pour tap water in it and with the push of a button you have ozone water in two minutes. And then that you can use for of course, cleaning your brushes and your incidental brushes, but also using in different ways. Like a water pick. Yeah.

As you mentioned the water jet earlier. Definitely. You know, you can open the reservoir with ozonator water, fill it up with ozonator water and use that for in between the teeth. Because it's really, really beneficial for the biofilm.

Yes.

Or plaque.

Yes. Because also the plaque that sits below the gum line is anaerobic. Which targets those membranes and kills the bad bacteria.

Yes.

Yeah.

Then usually, unfortunately. So plaque has good bacteria and bad bacteria embedded in it. Bad bacteria doesn't need oxygen to survive. For those of you that are listening and wondering what is anaerobic, it just doesn't need oxygen. Oligone is delivering oxygen under the gum. Plus the fact that in contact, what happens? The ozone pokes holes in the bacterial membrane and it makes them disintegrate on contact. That's why it's such a nice biofilm disruptor. Plaque disruptor. To be able to use ozone and ozonated water in a daily home regimen.

Yes. Especially like a tool with the water pick. I feel like that combination is the most effective for keeping your gums nice and healthy.

So what do you see? I mean, you see patients coming back, the ones that don't use ozone, and then they started using ozone. Can you tell a difference?

Well, one patient the other week mentioned that his teeth felt less sensitive after using ozone in his water jet. Actually had about two patients after they started using ozone in their water jets. Say that their teeth feel less sensitive.

Yeah. You know, Darwin, and a lot of people don't know this about ozone, but I think what's happening. Because it's disrupting the biofilm. Right. Or the plaque that is invisible and it's such a good disruptor. Now we're allowing, I think the calcium from the saliva to come in contact with the teeth better so we can mineralize the teeth that before they have this, you know, pathogenic biofilm on that was constantly releasing acid causing the teeth to be sensitive. And now it's not there and we're mineralizing the teeth. So it's. It's. At least that's my logic behind it.

Makes perfect sense.

Perfect sense. Thanks.

Yeah.

Okay, so interproximal brush is great way, especially for those of you that can get back there. You know, let's say you don't have access to a water flosser, although, you know, water flossers now, even though it's not a water jet, people can buy it online. So do interdental brushes. It is a cheaper tool. So for those of you that don't want to make the investment for a water flosser, a good way is to use the interdental brushes. Anything else you want to add about tools for in between?

Always. You want to be very gentle with your gums because your gums are very sensitive compared to your teeth and your enamel, which are the hardest tissue in your body. It's lined with one of the softest. So you definitely want to be gentle when you're getting between the teeth. You don't want to force anything in areas and cause any. If you're new to cleaning between your teeth, there will be a little bit of bleeding, but you don't want to cause any trauma to your gums by using force and squeezing little or wider brushes and little tighter areas.

You know, Darwin, this reminds me of. I had this patient, he was Using a toothpick, Some patients using toothpicks in between the teeth and how damaging that is.

Yes.

So, yeah. So. So what happens for those that people listening are using toothpicks? And I remember my dad was a big toothpick user, toothpaste. And basically they put the toothpick and be doing. And they're digging in there. Digging in there. But the gum, as you said, is soft, and you need to be gentle. So oftentimes we not only see damage to the gums because now the gum has eroded away, creating these big black spaces. But I've also seen toothpick erosion on the teeth themselves.

Have you ever seen that along the root surfaces?

On the root surfaces. Because the root surfaces underneath the enamel or the ones that were supposed to be under the gum, they're softer as well. So with years and years of digging with the toothpick in between, I've seen people actually creating indentations or wear of the teeth in between. And the problem with that, right now you have a little channel in between the teeth, which. It's a great spot to gather plaque and get a company.

Yes. And then I find with people who use toothpicks, they're not picking for 30 seconds. They're in there picking and picking and picking. So, of course, with time, that can definitely cause some damage.

I know exactly what you mean. I think it's more like of a almost like smoking. You know, I think toothpicking, it's a bad habit. People just, once they start, it's addicting and they just. You're right. They're digging and digging and digging. Even though there's nothing to dig anymore.

Exactly.

Yeah. So really, for those of you that loves. You love using toothpicks, we highly encourage you, Darwin, and I'm speaking for you too, to leave the toothpicks aside. And if you feel kind of transition to maybe an inner proximal brush, which is a lot softer, maybe a soft pick. You mentioned a soft pick. Maybe that's the most like, I guess closest you have a soft pick here. I see. I'm on the jaws. Okay, so describe it a little bit for people listening. What is a soft pick?

Looks like is it has a little plastic handle and the tip has little rubber brushes or silicone brushes. And then that is. Can get in between. It has kind of a Christmas tree like the brush, but very narrow. So it's very gentle on the gums, very safe around implants, and it's very convenient to use. So these come in packs that. These are more disposable than the proxy brush. But it is very gentle and efficient to get in between the teeth.

So is that one size fits all, I believe. Right. It doesn't come in different sizes, Just one side. And the soft pick.

Yes. Usually soft picks are. This is like the standard look of a soft pick. Sometimes they have a little curve to them to access the back teeth a little bit better, which I like to use those for the full mouth, the one with the little curve. But it is safe to use in a lot of places. But also, you don't want to force it into areas where it might be too tight.

This is like, closest to a toothpick, it looks like, to me. Would you say? Yeah. So maybe it's a good transition for people that love toothpicks to go to a soft pick in her proximal brush to kind of, you know, get rid of that habit.

Yeah.

Yeah. Even though, you know, toothpicks are wooden and you would think, oh, wood is softer than teeth, so why would it create damage? But. But it really does.

Yes. As in with the proxy brush, with the soft pick and a toothpick, you don't want to overdo it.

Yeah. So what are some common mistakes, you know, when you're using the proxy brushes or the water flosser, what are some common mistakes that people should avoid?

I think going back to picking the right size for the spaces, they need, like you said, a good variety pack to. To use like a brush, if you have a wider space and then the brush is too narrow, you're not going to remove the plaque that is in that area. So you definitely want to use an appropriate size.

Okay. Now, when it comes to the water flosser, what are some common mistakes that you see that people are doing with the water flosser?

The water flosser, I feel like some patients tell me that the water flosser can cause some sensitivity to them, which I feel like. Or a good example is a patient a couple of weeks ago said she can't use the water flosser because her teeth are just too sensitive. But then, I mean, we. I asked her what the water temperature was that she was using. And of course, now it's winter, so everyone's tap water is a little colder. So she was using cold water, and I told her to use lukewarm or add a little more warm water. And yeah, it totally made it more comfortable for her to use every day. So that's one thing to also consider. The temperature of the water that you put in your water pick is very important.

Great. Point. You know, I actually can't use cold water to water floss my teeth. I'm like, oh, too much of a wake up call for me. So, you know, especially when you're talking about the mouth, you know, which is usually at like 97 degrees. If you're using like, let's say, you know, 50 degree water, teeth are definitely going to feel it. Especially people that have thinner enamel or exposed roots or gum recession. You bring up a good point. Use warm water in your water flosser. And that basically solves the problem. And you know what's interesting now? You know they're avoiding it because they have sensitive teeth, when in fact you've seen this, that if they're using an alternated water with their water flosser, they're going to decrease their tooth sensitivity.

Yes. And also we had some patients ask, how do you clean the inside of a water jet, like the tubing and the pipes and everything all the way inside of the tip. And I explained that using ozone water can keep it nice and disinfected from any.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, yeah. And you know, we actually know that because we've tested our water lines and we run ozonated water and in our dental water lines at the office and the test came back pristine. There was like no bacteria on the line. Every dental office tests their water lines and usually they use all kinds of chemicals to put in their water lines in order to clean them, but luckily we don't have to since we use alternated water. What are your top tips for making cleaning in between the teeth like a daily part of one's routine? Because a lot of people are still not flossing and you know, we're trying to motivate people. So what, what tips can you give everyone listening?

Well, my main tip for a lot of patients who aren't avid flossers, water pickers, is to do that before they brush. Just because a lot of times patients will feel like they brush and then they'll be done or they'll feel like that's enough to get everything off of the teeth. So for those patients, I tell them, before you even pick up your toothbrush, get the floss, get the water jet, get the proxy brushes, get in there, loosen up the plaque, the biofilm, and then brush because then they feel like they are doing more than just or.

I like that. You know, I get that question a lot. Should I water floss first or brush first? What do I do? Whichever way they do it is good. But I like water Flossing. And sometimes, you know, after I eat, I love just to water floss, especially with a little brush that's attached to it. Water flossing does a lot more cleaning because it really cleans, you know, in between, but also on the outer and inner surfaces of the teeth.

Yes.

So if you were to choose one tool, you're right. Water floss. Yes. Because that'll clean 360 degrees.

Of course. And from my own experience, I use a Sonicare, which is. Sonicare is 31,000 strokes a minute, and I use it for two minutes. I will use my Sonicare and then go back around with the water jet and then I will still see food or debris running my sink, which for me, of course, this is my job. So I should know how to use Sonic here perfectly with the anatomy of the teeth. And then I do find that food still coming out after with the water jet. So that for me is a selling point, to use the water jet and getting in between your teeth.

Yeah. And I'm sure a lot of our patients using a water flosser for the first time or the water jet, they will have the same experience. They'll brush and then they'll still see things coming out. It's a common thing that I actually hear about, you know, so it's, it's good to use the water flosser first before brushing because otherwise you're just going to end up brushing food that's sitting in place. Right. So your bristles are not even reaching the tooth surface. Yes, good point. What are some common, like, myths or misconceptions about cleaning in between that you want to address?

Well, I was going to mention that article that came out in the Associated Press a few years ago where they said there wasn't any research backing the effectiveness or the benefits of flossing or.

Getting in between the teeth. Can you believe they published that? Shocking.

Must have been very honest. Who needed more business? Yeah, I, I could not believe that that article, but it was a lot of patients actually asked about that. Yeah, of course there is research with flossing and getting in between the teeth. And there are lots of benefits from removing that plaque and biofilm because, I mean, if you're not removing that plaque, going back to the title of the podcast, we have that bacteria that can lead to other systemic diseases and other health risks down the line.

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I'm big on that and I always talk about that because we know this, this bacteria that lives under the gum that doesn't need oxygen, you Know that we test for. With the saliva test causes the gum bleeding. And anytime gums bleed and people say, well, not bleeding. Yes. But once you start flossing, especially after you have for a while, you're going to notice your gums are even tender. There's like even throbbing a little bit in between, and you're going to notice gums bleeding. And that's an opportunity for that bacteria to go in the bloodstream and lodge itself into different places and create other systemic issues. Like what systemic issues are documented when it comes to gum disease?

Well, I know with that, how you explain that systemic bacteria getting into your. Or the bacteria getting into your bloodstream through your gums, that can cause cardiac heart disease. So that plaque and bacteria can line the walls of your heart, the arteries in your heart. And then there's also research on the correlation between gum disease and diabetes.

Alzheimer.

Diabetes, yes, diabetes, Alzheimer's, dementia. So if you.

Yeah, because we actually found biofilm in the brain. Exactly. Oral biofilm has been found in the brain of people with Alzheimer's and dementia.

Yes.

Very good topics, Darwin. I'm glad we're discussing these, because a lot of people say my gums are bleeding. So what? You know, this doesn't cause me any pain. What's the big deal?

Yeah, I mean, if you let that infection continue, that will lead to bone loss. I mean, severe advanced periodontal disease. And then, of course, if you lose a tooth here and there, that definitely will change your quality of life. People don't realize how different life could be when you have those issues to deal with.

It's such a preventable disease. That's why we're talking about this. And we're taking the time, you and I today, to discuss this, because it's. It's in your hands. Those of you who are listening. It's all in your hands. You can do something about it. You can use tools that are inexpensive. You can use tools that are more expensive, depending on, you know, the condition of your mouth, that actually are very effective and totally turning around and stabilizing periodontal disease. So. So we want to empower you today to. To start cleaning in between. Because there's so many different things. Just try anything and see what works for you. So for different people, you know, different tools are going to work.

Yes. And the more you clean between the teeth, the less you'll see. Dr. Mol.

That's right. You can just see me on my YouTube channel. That's it.

There you go. Not in the clinic.

But they should definitely come See someone like you regularly because that would also enhance, you know, their, the quality of oral health. Let's address a little bit oil pulling because do patients that come in that say I am oil pulling. How are my gums looking? What do you, what do you see when it comes to oil pulling?

When it comes to oil pulling, I haven't read too much research on it, but personally I have tried oil pulling once and I know you have to swish for 20 minutes with coconut oil and after a minute I, I couldn't go this, it's just too much work. So I personally, I think that mechanical debridement, brushing, flossing, water jetting is the most effective to keep a healthy smile.

I agree. 100. Yeah. I mean I think oil pulling, you know, it's made a comeback. But I like you. I don't have 20 minutes in the bathroom and looking at the research and I did look at it because I have a comment on a platform about oil pulling as an expert and they didn't see anything in the literature. I saw some articles saying that, okay. Treats gingivitis. Why? Because the oil pulling only gets maybe a millimeter or two under the gum. It really doesn't get as a water flosser can get 6 millimeters under, especially with a specialized tip that we have on the water flosser. But oil pulling doesn't. And if you swish oil back and forth in between the teeth, what it does, it turns into a soap eventually that cleans the plaque. There are some articles that have shown that particles of oil have actually gotten in the lungs of patients and especially a patients that are older immunocompromised who can have lung infections. Because that bacteria on the coconut oil can still survive. It doesn't mean that it dies. Coconut oil doesn't kill. Yeah, it has some antibacterial properties, but bacteria can still live in it. And now you're inhaling it, it's not good. Especially older patients, you know, they're, you know, now all of a sudden maybe you want to sneeze or you want to cough when you have all this oil in your mouth, it just can't be good. So I, I'm, I'm with you on that. I think there's much better tools today to mechanically remove the plaque without resorting to, to oil pulling.

Yes. And like, like you, I don't have 20 minutes with coconut oil. Yeah.

And why would you even spend the 20 minutes when we have better tools? We know, you know, on the water flosser side there Was a study done at USC saying that in three seconds pulsation with the water flosser in one area, we remove 99.9% of plaque. So if you do a full mouth with that, let's say it takes you a couple minutes, it's much more effective than oil pulling.

Yes, I 100% agree. Yes.

Yeah. And with the use of just water ozonated water, we don't need to use, you know, fancy mouthwashes for that. What advice do you have for people with sensitive gums when it comes to cleaning in between?

Well, cleaning in between, like I said, you just want to be very gentle. And with something like the water pick, if it's your first time, there's also different settings so you can have a lower pressure to start off with. If you do have sensitive gums and kind of work your way up. Because if you are new at flossing or water picking, then your gums might feel a little tender too, that first use or the first week. So you definitely. The good thing about especially Dr. Moldovans, it does have different pressure settings. So you want to maybe start with the lower pressure before you work your way up.

Yeah. And the Orasana water flosser, which you're holding the water jet, the lower pressure for people, if it's still too much, what I always say is just hold it a little bit away from the gum, you know, the bristles. We always recommend the bristle tip. A lot of the water flossers out there, they just have the universal tip. And people always don't know how far away to hold it. So the bristle tip is meant to be held like, literally like I think 4 or 5 millimeters the size of the bristle away. But if it's still too much for you, take the tip away from the gum and use it. In that matter, the pressure will kind of be even lower than that.

Yes. And it's the tip I use because I use the Orson water pick at home. And also the. Not only does it give you a good distance, but it's also a guide so you can trace along the gum line and then you can feel where that. Where the water is aiming and control it to trace along your gum line and get between the teeth.

Yeah, that's a good point. You know, you're tracing the gum line because a lot of people that are just using the regulative without the tufts, it's hard to know where you're aiming. It's just hard to know even if you're looking. And a lot of Times people say, I don't like to use the water jet because it's messy. Well, if you know that the bristles are tracing the gums, I always say seal your lips around the tip so that way the water just stays in the mouth and it doesn't spray all over the mirror.

Yes. And also I know a lot of the water jets are waterproof. So some patients who if that deters them from using a water jet, they can use it in the shower.

That's a great point.

Yeah. And you're still getting in between your teeth.

Yeah, absolutely. Very good, Darwin. I think we covered a lot of good tips here for everyone on how to clean in between. Because obviously not just the importance of keeping a healthy body, but also levels of inflammation in the mouth can actually cause generalized inflammation and cause someone to not feel well. So just from that aspect is such an important point that we touched upon. And for those of you that want to find Darwin, where can people find you?

Oh, well, I'm here at the Beverly Hills Dental Health and Wellness Lounge, Mondays and Fridays. And. Yeah.

Beverly Hills Dental Health.com and you're an amazing clinician. I'm very lucky to work with you. I know we absolutely love the way you take care of patients. So continue doing a great job that you already are. And thank you for coming on the show and chatting with me today about cleaning. Between.

Yes. Very important. Thank you for having me.

My pleasure. Okay, everyone, see you next time.

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