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Hi docs. Welcome to the Entre MD podcast where it's all about helping amazing physicians just like you, embrace entrepreneurship so you can have the freedom to live life and practice medicine on your terms. I'm your host, Dr. Umna. Well, hello. Hello everyone and welcome to the most amazing episode of the Entre MD podcast so far. The hundredth episode. And today is going to be exciting. It's going to be inspiring. It's going to be different. You haven't seen an episode like this one before, so I hope you're ready. It's going to be so much fun. So today we're actually going to have a podcast takeover. I am not going to be the host today. We have an Amazing doc here, Dr. Michelle Mudge Riley, and she is going to be the boss of the show today. Now, she is a doctor that, you know, I followed. I've admired her work because she ventured into this entrepreneurial space when most of us didn't know that it exists. I just had the privilege of being a panelist at her conference, the next 2021 conference, all about physicians helping other physicians make the transition into non clinical careers. And it was amazing. So when she said yes to being the host for the hundredth episode of the entremd podcast, I was like, beside myself excited. You're gonna find out why. So, Dr. Michelle, welcome to the show.

Thank you. I am so excited to be here and I will tell you that the feeling is mutual. I have watched you and admired you and just been so excited about what you're doing. So when you asked me to be the host and helping you, I was.

Just like, oh, yes, love it, love it, love it. So I bragged on you a little bit. So I'm going to have you introduce yourself to the listeners, tell us all about the amazing stuff you've done and, you know, the different world, your alternate world you're creating for physicians and then, you know, take it, take it from here. You're the boss now.

All right, well, we are not going to talk about me for very long because this is all about you. So, yes, I'm a physician. I transitioned to a non clinical career so long ago, 16 years ago. And Neca and I were just talking about how we both look so young and finally we have some credibility because we're getting older. But yes, I work in pharma. I do a lot of consulting. I have had a very interesting career path and along the way I found it difficult to kind of figure that out. So I made it my mission to help other physicians who were interested in non clinical career options part time, full time side hustle. And I started a conference to help other physicians understand not only their options, but how to get into them. So I have all kinds of speakers coming and sharing their stories. And we, we just got through one this weekend, but today we are talking about Dr. Neka Una and Entre MD and how she has gotten to episode 100. So, I mean, we're celebrating 100 episodes today and over 77,000 downloads. So I guess maybe we should start with why did you start the podcast in the first place?

Well, I think the way I started it is the way I started a lot of things and it was really feeding into what does my audience need, right? And so if I track back, it's a really funny story. I had a group of docs I was working with and I'm like, the biggest problem your business has is obscurity. Nobody knows you're there. So I want you guys to go, I want you to go reach out to podcasts, ask to be guests, show them how you can be of value to their audiences, and, and go there so you can get in front of new people. And at the time I was doing a lot of videos, a lot of Facebook lives, I was doing events and all of that stuff. But I'd never really ventured into the podcast world. And I believe you can't tell people to do stuff you're not doing right. So I was like, okay, here I am. I've created this challenge, but I haven't done this. And not for a fear of putting myself out there. That's just not something that explored. So I reached out, you know, I pull out my computer, this is 10 o' clock at night, and, you know, send all these invites to, you know, some podcast. I was like, you know, this is what I can do, and all of that stuff. And I got three yeses. You know, in less than 10 hours, I got three yeses. And I went on. I was a guest on these three shows. I think it was at the time, I was like, this is pretty cool. So I went to the Entre MD Facebook, you know, private Facebook group. And I'm like, okay, guys, how do you like to consume content? Is it a vlog? Is it a blog? Is it a podcast? And I'm thinking, I know my people, they're all going to say video. And I'm going to be like, of course. And I'm doing this for you. And over 90% of them said podcast. I was like, what in the world? Because it's all about getting the message out there, right? I'm not being a podcaster for, you know, the sake of being a podcast. So I'm like, really? And so this was the beginning of November of 2019, and I was like, okay, they like podcasts. So, you know, about the 10th, I was like, I'm going to start a podcast. And on the 11th, I record the intro and outro on my phone, cell phone with my earbuds. And the 12th, I recorded a few episodes, sent them out. It was, you know, approved on itunes. And a hundred episodes later, here we are.

Were you scared to put yourself out there?

I've always been, but I had already done a lot of videos at this point, a lot of Facebook lives. And for me, that was like a thousand deaths, because I was like, oh, my gosh, you know, I'm putting myself out there and I'm not. I don't know everything, which you're never going to know everything. And what will people think? And you're a doctor. What are you talking about business for? And, you know, so. So that's there. But I think I'm also very in tune with what my mission is, which is for doctors, we need a business education to thrive in the climate we're in. So that kind of helps me put myself out there anyway, you know, like the way you become a parent and there's some things you wouldn't ordinarily do, but you do it for your kids. I do it for my mission. So I've changed. I've reframed my way of thinking about fear, where if I'm afraid, I just acknowledge it's a feeling, and I don't let it vote on whether I get to do that or not. So it's there, but I don't pay as much attention to it. I really don't.

I love that. I love it because it paralyzes so many people that fear. And it sounds like what you do is it's not that you don't feel it, but you acknowledge it and you push it away and you say, all right, I'm gonna do this anyway, and then you show it that it's. It has no power over you.

Exactly.

Wow. Well, I mean, we can't talk about the hundredth episode of this podcast without talking about some consistency, because data shows that only about 40% of podcasts on Apple podcasts are active. And that's of. I think that's since 2020. That's the most recent data there in December of 2020. So how in the world have you managed to produce one to two episodes consistently for 16 months?

So I think in the beginning, the plan was just to be consistent. So I chose Monday. No reason. I just picked Monday. And I was like, I'll put out an episode. And then I started having people reach out and say, oh, I always use your podcast for my commute on Monday. And I was like, oh, oh, I can never miss a Monday, right? Because now I have people who are listening, and they're like, I will never miss a Monday, so how dare I, right? So that was one of the reasons, is because I found out that it was part of, you know, many doctors as part of their routine. And I was like, okay, you can't touch that. And then I think another reason is because I learned to batch, so I don't sit every week and produce an episode. If I did that, it wouldn't work. It just wouldn't. And I started doing it where I would sit and do four episodes at once and then just schedule it so I know that for the week, I'm good. And then actually last year, December, I started planning them out by the quarter. So December, I sat. I was like, okay, what do I need to talk about in January? What do I need to talk about in February and March? I got a big dry erase board, I sat with my assistant, and we planned out all the episodes. So it took away all the thinking, all The. Oh, my gosh, you know, I have this burden. I have to record this podcast. I knew. So on my podcasting day, I'll just pick, you know, four episodes from those, record them and schedule them, and they're done. So I've had, like, I think October of last year, where I had a whole month I didn't record at all. But every Monday, you know, there was an episode. And actually since January, we started doing two episodes every week. And then during the pandemic, I really did a lot of extra episodes because it was like, doctor, you know, there's so much going on, like doctors in private practice or doctors who are furloughed or. And all of those kind of things. And I was like, they need to hear something. Right? And so I ended up doing more episodes than just the one a week. So I think those are kind of the things that, you know, help me stay consistent. But after I kind of started off, like, I will be consistent, but after I started hearing people talk about it, then I really made a commitment, like, you cannot. You can not miss a Monday. So thank you, everybody is because of you.

Well, yeah. I mean, you're accountable to people, and that does make a difference. And people are expecting it, and they're. They love it. And I agree. I love your podcast. It's. It's so refreshing and authentic, and you give such great information. And that was a great example of it when you were talking about how you batch podcasts, because I think that's a trick that people may not realize. We don't record every week. There's no way. You have to have processes and systems in place. And I know you teach people about that. We'll get to all that. But great tip for people. So, so. So what's your favorite part about the podcast?

I think it's. It's the stories I hear after it. I mean, it's to have someone say, I've heard all kinds of things. I've heard moms that listen to it with their kids, and their kids are applying the same principles in their lives, in school and all of that. I mean, it's like, it's so mind blowing to hear that. I actually had a doc who reached out and she's like, you know, my son, he was supposed to present at a championship or something like that, and he pulled out of it. He was a little shy, and then he listened to an episode and was like, oh, that's imposter syndrome. So I'm going to face that, and I'm going to do it. And they won. And she sent me an email. I was, I was, now this is a, this is her kid. This is not even an entrepreneur. You know what I mean? I was like, oh my goodness, it was so wild. So stuff like that's happened. And docs were like, it's so inspiring. And I get practical action steps that I can, I can take action on right away. So there are people who are like, my practice is better. I started a business, I started doing Facebook lives. I'm owning my space as an intrapreneur. Just hearing that it's actually working, right? Because I don't podcast to podcasts and I podcast so that doctors can see there's a different possibility and we can thrive as entrepreneurs. So to see that actually accomplish the goal, I mean, that's the best part of it for me.

Well, and that really reveals just who you are as a person and how you love to give. And you're all about, how do I make sure I set others up for success? Which is probably the reason for your success, actually. So let's, let's pivot and talk a little bit about you as an entrepreneur. How do you, let's say you're someone who has an idea. How do you know if the idea is worth pursuing?

Well, so here comes my philosophy for entrepreneurs. Every business should, like, overarching should do two things and it should serve and it should earn. And so I've had people walk up to me and they're like, oh, you know, I'm looking for a coach and I have this thing. It's just a passion project. I don't want to make any money from it. I'm like, I am so not the coach. I cannot even figure out how to do that. And it's not because money is not, is not the leader, but it's right up there and we can't deny it. You know what I'm saying? So if you have, if you have an idea and we have a framework for this in the entrepreneur business school, you have to analyze this idea. Can it serve people? Is there a demand for it? Yes. This idea, will people pay for it? Right. The answer is yes. Then go for it. You know, and that's kind of the way I look at it. It's two sided.

So how do you then know if someone will pay for it? Is there a process?

Well, I mean, there are a number of things to look at, right? Like have people paid for it before? Right. So when people are like, nobody will pay me as a coach. Well, have people paid for coaches Before, Yes. Do people have that problem? Because people will pay to make their pain go away before they pay for a benefit. So is there a pain you can make go away? People will pay for it, and that's the truth. If it's something where there really isn't a market for it at all, like, you know, I. I can show you how to make a particular spice homemade that is unique to the people of a tribe in Iceland. I don't know about that. Right. Because, you know, I don't. I don't know about that. But there are many things that people will pay for. And if you look around, you'll see that they are paying for it.

Right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Competition isn't all bad. It means that people will pay for something. So. Yeah, yeah, I've heard that too. Yeah. So. All right, well, let's talk about when you are pursuing an idea and you're. You're really feeling like, okay, I'm putting all this energy into it. What happens when there are disappointments? Like, how do you deal with disappointment?

So let me start off by saying there will be disappointment. There will be disappointment. There will be things that won't go according to plan. And really, as a physician, we have this perfect track that we must follow, and we should.

Right.

We're dealing with human lives in a different way. But with entrepreneurship, you're kind of like an artist. Right. And things will go some kind of way. And I guess first off, I'll start with saying that's part of the process. And the sooner you realize it, the happier you'll be. Right. When things don't go according to plan, it doesn't mean you'll be excited, like, woohoo, it didn't work. But you also, you know, it's part of the plan, so you're okay with it. Right?

Mm.

So I've had a lot of disappointing things happen. Right. You did a launch and you thought it would be really good, and it wasn't.

Yeah.

You reached out for, you know, to speak at a conference, and you were like, yes, this is gonna work. And they're like, no, we don't need people like you. I mean, like, yeah, there's gonna be stuff like that. You're gonna have a client who you bent over backward for, and they're gonna turn around and do the mostest. And, you know, it's just part of what happens. And. And I think for me, the secret to handling disappointment for me is in my daily routine. It really is. So with my daily routine, I do there, you know, Five to six things I do every day. And the idea is these are the things that will move me in the direction of my most important goals. And so for me, it's, you know, prayer meditation is one, reading every day is one, Listening to podcasts, reviewing my goals, meaningful time with kids, and exercise. So those are the six things that I do every day. Now, listening to podcasts is always something motivational, and it's always the story of entrepreneurs. And in listening to the stories and Dr. Michelle, you know this. There's disappointment everywhere. So it normalizes the fact that something disappointing happened. And then it also shows you that all these big guys that you look at and you're like, look at the amazing things they're doing. They all faced it, and they all came out better. So because I reinforce that every day when disappointing things happen, it's like, well, welcome to the league. This is what everybody does. So what? How are you going to use this? How are you going to use this to get better? How are you going to use this to make your business better? How are you going to use this to make yourself better as an entrepreneur? Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt, but I'm just able to respond to it in a different way. And looking at my goals every day, that helps because I'm like, okay, that happened. But we're still going here, though, right? It doesn't throw me off track. I'm like, you're still going here. We still have to go there. So I think those two habits, and of course, for me, prayer, because I never thought of myself as a strong person. I don't think I'm a strong person. So to be able to go somewhere and cry and say, God, I'm doing my best. You have to fix this. To share that responsibility for me is very helpful. And so I'm just like, I'm going to do my best. I'm human. And then God is going to do the rest because he's God, you know, and that's kind of the way I handle it. But it's entrepreneurship. There's always going to be disappointments.

You know, I'm so glad we're talking about this, because it is inevitable that disappointments happen. And it's so hard not to get down on ourselves. We're physicians. We're type A personalities. We expect perfection of ourselves. Do you hear this in your group? Do you hear that people expect this and, you know, maybe talk a little bit about how others kind of are able, how you help them to approach these disappointments?

Well, I think so. This is one of the reasons why I love the way the ontremd business school is set up, because it is a group of doctors who are all in this. So you see that doctor, they had a disappointment, they bounced back. You see that other doctor, they had a disappointment, they bounced back. You're. We're all working on affirmations together. We're all working on the fact that this is going to work. I share my disappointments with them. So it normalizes all of that. And one of our favorite phrases is progress over perfection. And we talk about it enough that it's like, yeah, that's not perfect, but I have made progress, so that is okay, you know, So I thrive in community. And I find, for physicians, we're so removed from the world of entrepreneurship that being in a community with physician entrepreneurs is so powerful. Because it's not strange anymore, right? Like, because you're in community with all these other dots who are. You know, I call entrepreneurs crazy people. Like, all these people who are coming up with weird ideas and acting them out, and everybody's rooting for everybody, and everybody's there for everybody else when they have disappointment. So that's kind of how we handle it. We handle it in community, and we do a lot of mindset work, and we stay in action. You know, if you're in action, you're gonna make mistakes, you're gonna have disappointments, but you're moving forward. So that's kind of how we handle it.

That's absolutely right. And it's just stuff we don't get taught in med school. And actually, I feel like sometimes we get taught that it's not okay to fail, so perpetuates this fear of failure that we all have as physicians. Wow. Your group sounds just amazing. And I'm a member, so I do know that it is amazing. But I don't get to see as much as you do, because I'm not one of the moderators. So I'm sure that I miss things that you get to see that I wish I could see.

So.

All right, let's move. Let's shift gears here to balance, because balance is another way that people handle disappointments. And so how do you keep that balance in your life? You're doing so much. You're running groups, podcasts, the Entre MD School, you're being on podcasts, and you're in practice. How do you balance?

So the first thing is being okay with a little bit of chaos. I know it sounds weird. For how do you balance everything? Especially in the beginning, right?

Submitting. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's kind of like before I started off as an entrepreneur, I was single. I didn't have any kids. I just had to be a resident. There's nothing just about that. But, you know, that was my only thing. And it was like, you go to work at this time, you come back at this time, you do this at this time. And there was some kind of order. And the residents are going, like, I don't think my life has order. Trust me, it has ordered. It has order, you know, and so when I started delving into all this other stuff, it's like the husband, the kids, the business, that it's like a lot of things. And I had to, first of all, go with that. Old life is gone.

Right?

Because if I'm in resistance, trying to get things back to the way they were, then I'm just going to be frustrated and like, okay, so that is gone.

I love that, by the way. Keep going.

Yeah, that is gone. We have a new normal now. How do we thrive in this new normal? So that's the first thing. And the second thing was, is prioritizing. Now, when I say prioritizing, what are the most important parts of your life? Right? So for me, you know, when I teach this in the vision retreat, there's nine areas, but, you know, we can't go over all nine. But for me, for instance, there's my relationship with God. There's my relationship with my family. There's the legacy I'm leaving. There's my health, there's finances. So the question is, over the course of a year, what do I want to accomplish in these five areas? You find you don't have to do all of it at the same time with the same level of intensity. For instance, my family, I schedule two family vacations. I schedule two couples vacations, right? So I have this intense time where I'm pouring into my family. We're developing those relationships. Doesn't mean I don't talk to them any other time. But if I'm so busy with the business and we're doing an event, then I'm not feeling bad because I'm not spending as much time with them because there's this other time where I'm going to invest a lot in them, right? Something like exercise. I can throw that in 30 minutes to an hour every day. I can manage that. So if I do that, I'm taking care of my health, right? My relationship with God. I'm praying every day. So that's been taken care of. So I don't have to do everything with the same level of intensity. But over the course of a year, I should have touched everything enough that I'm okay with the result that I get. So prioritizing that kind of way and planning for things to be balanced over the course of a year as opposed to every day really helps. So if there's something that's quote unquote, out of balance in a day, I'm like, I have that on the schedule. I'm coming to it. And the third one, which is so hard for doctors is so. It was so hard for me. Delegation.

Oh, yeah.

You cannot do all the things by yourself. So the only way to take on new things is to let go of some other things, right? Like the things that you don't have to do. Right. You don't have to do laundry, except for some reason it's relaxing for you, then by all means, do it right. You don't have to do that depending on your household. Don't judge. You don't have to cook. Right. You don't have to respond to all your emails. You don't have to manage your online portals. You don't your practice. You don't have to run everything. You don't have to do those things. You can build a team. And if you build a team, it frees you up to do so much and to stay in your zone of genius where you're always happy. So when I'm doing entre MD stuff, I'm happy. When I'm podcasting, I'm happy. When I'm doing live sessions, I'm happy because that's my stuff. So I may look like I'm working. I am not working. I am having fun.

How did you learn all of this?

Well, some of it is the school of hard knocks, but I have spent a lot of time, money, sweat, and tears in personal development. I have. I have read a lot of books. For the last few years, I've done 52 books a year. That's a book a week.

Wow.

I spent tens of thousands of dollars on coaching. And I think there are two reasons why I do that. One is I truly want to become the best version of myself. I am chasing that like I want to be the best version of myself. And two is that I feel it's insane to want to lead people when you're not actively getting better. Because I can be a lid if I am showing people what is possible as physician entrepreneurs, that I have to climb higher, higher to say there's more If I stop learning, then I'm showing them this is all there is, and maybe that isn't all there is. You know what I'm saying? So it's like a responsibility. Like, I owe it to myself and to anybody who. Who gives me their time to listen to me, to be the best version of myself.

Wow, that is really inspiring. Yeah. It's like you're letting others down if you're not doing what you can to show up as that best version of yourself.

Yep.

Wow.

Well, you've accomplished so much. What's next for Entre MD for the podcast for you? Can you give people a sneak peek?

Well, so I have had this bhag and this big, hairy, audacious goal, and it's that I want to help 80,000 doctors build profitable businesses. And people are like, how did you come up with that number? Yeah, so Google. I googled. I'm like, how many physicians with active licenses in the U.S. they're like 800,000. I was like, I want 10%.

I like it.

That's literally where that number came from. And I'm like, I just want to. I want to help. And. And I don't have the entire how of the how that is going to happen, but I'm like, I'm on it, and we're going to keep going. So that's really the driver for everything. The podcast, the business school, the speaking, all of that stuff. So that's the big thing. And to see doctors do that, you know, either they started a practice, which we've had many in the entremd business school start practices, or, you know, they finally got comfortable building their coaching businesses. And all of that is just so humbling to watch that and to see that truly this is a new time for physicians. Like, it looks bad, but it's gonna birth something new. And I'm just excited to be a part of that, you know?

Right, right. I mean, yes, out of chaos rises resilience and all sorts of new ideas. And so you are one of those who is leading the physicians towards some of that stuff. I can see that. I love it.

We can do it. We've been told, you know, see patients, you're not an mba and all that stuff. But that's not true. That's not true. We have what it takes to thrive. And who knows what healthcare is going to look like three years from now, five years from now? We don't know, but we can be part of the new version, you know?

So, so true. So for someone who's listening and wondering what's the first step? What can I do? What do you recommend?

Someone that wants to start a business.

That or just wants to become a better version of themselves.

So my first step was deciding to do it. And that doesn't mean you know the how. There are many things I've planned to do. I still don't know the how, but I am putting one step in front of the other, one foot in front of the other. And so it's a decision like, I'm going to do this. And the second thing is you need to get the training for it. I don't know there's any way around that. The most radical transformations I've experienced have been in training. You know what I mean? And if you think about what the medical training system does, it's phenomenal. I need you to think of a teenager that you know, right? You take a teenager, they go into pre med, and after that they go into medical school, and they come out as people who can do surgeries, who can intubate newborns. It's phenomenal. This was just a teenager. So you've done that once as a physician. And if you could go through another training system. Now, I'm not saying go through residency and all of that, but you know the formula, right? If you can go through training, you can become this other person who can thrive as an entrepreneur, who can be the best version of themselves. So, I mean, if you're starting with books, you can start with that. If you're ready to do it, like you're meaning, you can sign up for coaching, you can come join the Entre MD Business School. We'll be happy to have you. But you want to put yourself through this process so you can learn a new way and then you can start acting a new way, and it's fantastic what can happen.

Yeah, yeah. Even just joining the Facebook group or going on your YouTube channel and watching some of the videos just to get inspired, or listening to the 99 podcasts before this.

And I will tell you something interesting. This has happened to me multiple times. The first time, it caught me off guard. Adak was like, oh, I'm almost caught up. I'm like, caught up with what they're like. I started listening to the Entre MD podcast from the first episode. I'm at 66. I'm like, you start from number one and you're working your way. She's like, yeah, and I've done this and I've done that. I've started my YouTube channel. I'm like, oh, my Gosh. And then I heard number two, number three, number four. I was like, wow. You know, so, yeah, like, you can do a Netflix binge. You can do an entremity podcast binge.

Yeah, yeah. Well. And the other thing that I know you and I have both talked about is we're both introverts, and so we hear all the time from other introverts that they feel like this is a world made for extroverts. And so how do you do it as an introvert? I would never have guessed that, by the way.

So I was so bad. I was a strategic introvert.

Right.

I'll tell you what I mean by that. I will go for a networking event. I will go to the back. I will find one person to talk to so nobody feels like they have to come talk to me because I'm alone, because I'm talking to this one person, and I talk to them till it's time to leave and I'm out. Like, that's how bad. That's how bad it was, you know, so time to do videos. I was like, you mean, like my face on the world wide Web? Like, we're not doing that. But I think at some point, I found another definition for introverts, which is different. So being socially awkward and being shy and all of that, introverts can be that, but they don't have to be. I see being an introvert as someone who draws strength from solitude. Right. Like, so I don't get energized by being in a room full of people. That's something that drains me. I may love to do it, but when I'm done, I need to go back to my room. I need to go take a walk or I need to go take a long shower and refresh myself, because that's hard. That's draining for me. And so that's just recognizing the source of my strength. But as far as, you know, running a podcast or speaking and dominating on stage and all of that, those are all learnable skills. They're all learnable. So you can start learning them, you can start practicing them. You can go be a guest on a podcast. We're doctors. We have the most phenomenal stories, right? You can go do that. You can go do a Facebook Live, right? And we have frameworks. You can check it out on the podcast and all that. We even have an episode with someone from the entremd group was like, I can't do Facebook lives. And we did a challenge, and she did it, and I brought her on. I was like, Come tell your story. So embrace it and maybe look at being an introvert a different way. It just means you're okay with your own company. Company you get. You get strengthened by being alone. But it doesn't mean you have to be socially awkward. It doesn't mean you can't speak powerfully. Doesn't mean any of that. And truthfully, I'm proof of that. And there are many students in the on trendy business school that started off with I'm an introvert, and now they're loving putting themselves out there. You know, we can do it 100%.

I completely agree with you and feel the same way just about large crowds and being able to enjoy them, but then needing to have that time where you just recharge and that's okay. Actually, as an introvert, I think sometimes the thoughtfulness of introverts is a skill that we all have and that you can really use to your advantage. I see you doing that because you really understand where physicians are coming from and you meet them where they are and you give them what they need right at that right time, especially in Entre MD business school. And so then they recognize that maybe they couldn't see it before. And then they take that and they realize, wow, look at what I can do. It's really cool.

Wow, I like that. I'm going with your version. And you're right about the thoughtfulness. I haven't quite thought about it that way, but I love thinking. Like I have times where I just take a walk and just to think and be by myself and I get some of my best ideas from that. So now that you say it, I'm like, yeah, that is. That is true.

Yeah. Well, how can we support you? How can the listeners support you with just what's next? And helping all of those physicians, this big, hairy, audacious goal that you have.

I mean, I think the biggest thing would be if you love the podcast, if it's helped you in any way, review it, share it with the doctors in your life. And if there's any places where you're like, this conference is missing the entre MD message, let them know, say, hey, you know, we would like to have her here too, and stuff like that. But really, we live in a difficult time for physicians. It's not always going to be that way, but it is. And being able to, whether you're employed or not, whether you're clinical or non clinical, being able to figure out how to compete, figure out how to create those things you've dreamt about for so long, figure out how to build a profitable practice in times when private practices are shutting down, being able to do that would be huge. It will make all the difference. So anything you can do to spread the word out there, I would really appreciate it. I really would.

Yeah. Sharing this hundredth episode, for example.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, it's been so nice talking with you. I feel like the listeners have really gotten a chance to get to know you a little bit better. Pulling back that veil and getting to see you behind the scenes. Is there anything you'd like to leave the listeners with?

My favorite thing, Nike style. Just do it, do it. Anything you've heard that you're like, I should do that. Don't wait, just do it. Just pull the trigger, do it. Let it be done. And because what happens is after a while you look back and you're like, wait a minute, look how far I've come. The saddest thing is to look back a year later and realize you're still saying I should do this. So don't do that, just do it.

I'm with you. Let's go make a difference.

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for doing this. I'm going to ask you now, like, what do you have for our listeners? What last words? Because I'm not going to let you go without giving us that.

Oh man. Not prepared. But yeah. So actually there is something that it always, it's the one thing that I say all the time when people ask me what's the one thing you would change and you know, if I could ask you one piece of advice and I would say don't lose confidence in yourself because I know that happened to me way back when, when I was first transitioning to a non clinical career and I had no idea what a resume was, how to do it. I had this really bad CV that was, you know, very long but not very much value add and, and I didn't know what my options were for a career. I wanted to use my background in education, but others were telling me I was wasting it by not practicing clinically or you know, there was a lot of guilt, a lot of feelings of failure and really internalize that. And I see others do that for whatever reason because times are so hard right now for us as doctors. And if your employer is telling you things that are making you feel that way, you could be internalizing it as well or losing confidence in yourself, feeling anxious. And I would say really find a community like Dr. Una's community, like any of our communities, we all sort of intersect at different places and just come be yourself and know you won't be judged there. I know that's scary to think about, but don't lose confidence in yourself because you are amazing. Really. You got through med school. You are amazing. So that's what I would say to all of the listeners, and I love it.

Don't lose confidence. Find a community where you will not be judged. That is so beautiful. And there is that judgment with anything non clinical too, right? Like, really. And yeah, that's just a whole other thing. But don't lose confidence. I love it. Thank you so much. All right, so thank you so much for hosting the hundredth episode. And by this last word that you gave, we're like, we need to bring you back on the podcast for a different episode where I get to ask all the questions.

All right, that sounds great. I love it.

Yeah, let's do it. Okay, so thank you everybody for listening and please share this episode. If you love the podcast, review it. Spread the word. Let's hit that bhag. And here's to another hundred episodes. Thank you so much, Dr. Michelle.

Thanks.

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