How This Doctor Built Her Dream Private Practice from Scratch w/ Dr. Leslie Golden

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Starting today, as an entrepreneur, you're signing up to learn a lot of new things, learn a lot of new skills, try a lot of new things, take risk. And so failure is part of the journey. And if we don't have a mindset that can handle that, if we don't have a mindset that almost not expected, like I want to go out there and fail, but you know, this is a new thing that I'm trying out. So chances are I'm going to slip a number of times before I get it right and that's okay. Like that mindset alone, right, is the difference between somebody who will quit and somebody who will keep going. Hi docs. Welcome to the Entre MD podcast where it's all about helping amazing physicians. Just like you embrace entrepreneurship so you can have the freedom to live life and practice medicine on your terms. I'm your host, Dr. Una. Well, hello everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. You are, you are in for a treat of treats because I have Dr. Leslie Gold in here and she's a doc that I've known for a few years. Knew her when she was a of part partner in a private practice and she's launched her own private practice and she's grown like crazy and her story is such a gift. I was actually telling her this before we started. Her story is such a gift to the physician community as a whole, but especially to doctors who are in private Practice. So, so excited we're here. Dr. Leslie golden, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Dr. Una. I'm so excited to be here.

I'm glad you're here. Okay, so I'm going to back up a little bit, and I'm going to give you a moment to kind of introduce yourself. You briefly let people know about your, you know, your story and all of that.

Of course. So. Dr. Leslie Golden, I am the CEO of Wheaton Gold Wellness. So we are a private practice that helps people transform mind and body to find their health off the scale. But that's not where the journey started. Right. Even being able to say that was a process. So, you know, I was a family medicine resident, went into employee practice right away because I had this mindset of the only way to really be a good doctor is to separate myself from the financial and business end. Right. And it didn't take me long at all to realize that I couldn't have the freedom or I felt like I couldn't have the freedom to. To practice the way I wanted to in that model. But then also, I didn't realize I had a choice. Right. So I think nobody prepared us in training or residency. There weren't a lot of examples for me, especially like seeing females out there running their own private practices. So I, you know, I thought when I became attending an employed doc, like, this is my life. Why am I not happy? Why am I not thrilled in all these rules and regulations and people telling me how to practice and not to practice? And so right right away, luckily, I found a group that were practicing private practice and family medicine and transitioned over to that. And it was a great opportunity, learned a lot. And as we grew and I found within engaging with my patients that how much I loved weight health and obesity medicine, and I was changing lives. I was practicing medicine the way I wanted to. Patients were having great outcomes. I found, like, happiness and sense of purpose that I didn't know was possible. And also kind of within that private practice, having a little bit of ability to realize the choices that I did have to change and grow to make it work to where I could have longer appointments if I could learn the billing and learn the process and make it work. And then from there, just like so many other evolutions, it was like, hold on, I can expand and grow this more. Like, in listening to my patients and figuring out what they want and how they need to be served and how I can help them. And again, having to get past that barrier of, like, I can create my perfect practice, I just have to take that leap and be willing to learn. Right? And to take that journey. So a couple years ago, you know, I. I heard this podcast. I don't know if you ever heard of this, this Entre MD podcast and talking about how. How to do that, and I was so inspired, and it was something I never believed. You know, I thought being a private practice physician in a big group was pretty darn brave already. Like, there's no way I'm going to go and start my own thing. Are you kidding me? Nobody does that. And just I realized, yeah, you make the choice, but it's not like that. Next day, you have to be this person. It takes time, and you just trust that you become that person over time. And that's hard as docs because we think we have to be perfect and. And luckily, I found a community that guided me through that and, you know, did so much marketing, started asking, started telling people my beliefs and how I serve people and how I'm different, and launched my private practice April 2023. And we have been thriving ever since. And I'm sure we'll get to those details, but that's been the journey.

Like, when you say, I started my practice in 2023, and we've been thriving ever since. Like, I hope you. I hope you can hear that. It's like, who does that? Right? Like, just like you were saying, who does that? And it is so amazing. And I know, I always tell you that, you know, I'm so proud of you. We, as a community, we're so proud of you, but it's so much fun to. To watch your evolution and watch what you've created and watch how that's even expanded your mind to see what else is possible, you know, so. So right off the back, let's just go into this because, you know, we're in a time where private practices, you know, many of them are struggling. Some of them that look really good are still struggling. Like, they. There. There's the decreasing reimbursements, There's a great resignation. There's the recession. There's all kinds of things going on. But knowing what. You know, what. What would you say are the top three things that have made it possible for you to thrive even in the times that we find ourselves in, you.

Know, mindset, community and the vision.

Okay, let's unpack that a little bit. I love that it's mindset. First, I'll tell you why, you know, I was one of those people, like, you guys just got to do the work. Like, what is this mindset thing, right? And I learned really quick, like, mindset is everything. And even sometimes on the podcast, people are like, I don't need all that mindset stuff. I just want to strategy. I'm like, listen, okay? You having a strategy without the mindset is like having a Ferrari with flat tires. Like, at the end of the day, you're not going anywhere, okay? It's just not going to happen. So you said mindset, you said community, and you said the vision. So. So talk to us a little bit about that. Because someone's going like, wait, it's not like, hire a better biller. It's not an office manager. Like, why did you pick those three things, right?

I mean, mindset, you know, it's. It's one of those things, like, it involves so much internal work, and you have to. It's complete accountability, right? So we don't want that. But I've learned throughout the whole journey, it's everything, right? So I can have the best strategy in the world, and somebody can give me the best advice in the world, but in order to put it into practice, I have to be willing to fail at first if it doesn't work. Like, I have to be willing to see it through. I have to be that constant learner in that, you know, it's kind of like so many of the patients I work with, you know, they're similar kind of concept, right? We all kind of understand weight health a little in terms of that. Of, like, so many patients come in, they're like, all right, Dr. Golden, tell me the calories, tell me the carbs, tell me the workout I got to do. Just. Just give it to me straight. And I'm like, yeah, so why do you want to lose weight? What's your. Why? What is the vision of you a year from now being successful look like? And what's going to keep you there? And they're like, what. Why are we talking about this? Because that makes all the difference in the world. Because no matter what the steps are in the details, we have to know what we're doing it for and give ourselves the grace for the days that we're not going to want to do it. And know that there's a mountain that is in front of us, and we may be in a valley, but wow, that top of the mountain is right around the corner. And, you know, you've been along with me for so much of this journey, and there's definitely been times where that valley and that mountaintop have been five minutes apart multiple times a Day. Right. And it's the mindset that gets you from that point, because otherwise, yeah, you definitely go home and be like, yeah, no, this is too hard. So, yeah, you.

You unearth a lot of things, right? Because you talked about being willing to fail. Okay? We're physicians, okay. That's not one of the things where. You know what I'm saying? And as an entrepreneur, you're. You're signing up to learn a lot of new things, learn a lot of new skills, try a lot of new things, take risk. And so failure is part of the journey. And if we don't have a mindset that can handle that, if we don't have a mindset that almost not expected, like, I want to go out there and fail, but, you know, this is a new thing that I'm trying out. So chances are I'm going to slip a number of times before I get it right, and that's okay. Like, that mindset alone. Right. Is the difference between somebody who will quit and somebody who will keep going. Right. And so I love that you're not painting a picture of there are no challenges. It's just that you've built the mindsets that can go ahead in the face of challenges. Right.

Very much.

And sometimes the win and the challenge are, like you said, five minutes apart. And so the question is, are you going to act like somebody who, you know, like, I'm happy, I'm sad. I'm happy, I'm sad. I have to sad. Are you just going to decide this is the way it goes, and we're just going to pedal through, and I may be in a valley, but if I'm in a valley, means a mountains next, and we're good for sure.

I mean, there's been so many things of like. Like a year or two ago, I remember thinking, like, this will be great. I just don't want to manage people. I just don't want to lead people. Oh, I hope I never have to coach someone on correcting their behavior. Oh, I hope someone else will come along and manage all this other stuff. And you learn along the way, you start to be like, okay, I don't know how to do this, but do I want to be the kind of person that does? And let's go ahead and get to the other side of that, because that'll be cool. I'd like to be her. I'd like to be that cool person that's like, yeah, I do this all the time. And the only way to get there is to do it, get it over with. And it brings forward a freedom that I think is unknown to so many of us in medicine, because you can't do anything wrong. You've got to know it all in the comparitus is so significant. And we don't realize that those are the roadblocks when we're building something incredible like this, if we let them be roadblocks.

Oh, man. Okay. You're just going into all the things. But that's the thing. You're a practitioner, right? Like, you're doing the thing. So. So, you know, so you talked about, like. Like, I want to get there, but I don't want to have to lead people. I want to get there, but I don't want to have to do the people thing. So I'm guessing that that's not just an example, that that was you, right?

Oh, yes. That's. That's lived experience. Right?

That's lived experience. So. So talk. And. And the reason why I want us to talk about this is because there are so many private practice that practices that the number one issue is there is an owner who doesn't want to do certain things that are a requirement for a successful business. You will hire, you will build company culture, you will fire, you will coach your team, you will lead them, you will have meetings. You will cast vision. You hold them accountable. Like, these are all things where, like, yeah, I don't want to do that. Okay, that was me too. Right. And so I want you to talk to you from before, because now you're doing all those things.

Right?

And, you know, like, we still work together. So I see the back end, and you are doing a really great job of doing those things, whether that's having, like, whether that's critical hires or difficult conversations or holding somebody accountable and all of those kind of things. So what would you tell the person who is still, like, ugh, I don't want to touch. And there are people who are running multimillion dollar private practices who are still like, I'm not doing any of that. Right. Like, it's not a newbie thing. It's. It's a decision. Right. So what would you tell that person?

Oh, it's time to grow. I mean, really, it. It is time to grow. It is time to explore, like, what does the person that is the version of me that. That knows how to do this, how would they do it? But let's work through that. And it's not going to be great. But. But you will discover so much more about yourself, and there'll just be so Many opportunities there. I mean, just visualizing, okay, me, I would say 2.0, but it's probably 12.0 at this point.

What is.

What is Dr. Leslie Golden, CEO 12.0 a year from now? What would she do right now? How would she approach this conversation? What would she tell herself? What. What would she consider to be a success? And. And it's definitely changed. And there's been a lot of. A lot of difficult conversations, difficult decisions. And, man, I used to. I mean, I'm still anxious about them to a point, but then I go in and I get it done. And here, lately, more and more, the afterthought is like, okay, I think I showed up pretty good there. Maybe next time I could think this through. But. But it's the experience. And whereas, gosh, a year ago, I would have been like, oh, I can't believe I did that. That was terrible. Right? And so you just learn that the only way to learn is to do and to give yourself that grace. And so now I feel like I'm at the take. I take the approach of like, hey, I haven't done that before. Do it so I can go ahead and get this. Let's check this off so I can get that experience in, and let's see how that changes me. And it's an incredible experience. And I remember years ago, I heard someone say, become a millionaire. Not to become a millionaire, but because of who you have to become to build something that gets you a million dollars. And, wow, it's something incredible.

It is. And, you know, I say this a lot, and many students in the Entrepreneur Business school say it as well. And it's this, like, I am so grateful for the people I get to serve. I'm so grateful for the money we make, the freedom this has created for me. But the thing I love the most about being an entrepreneur is who I've become. Like, that's the most rewarding because it's like, who is this? I mean, I like her, but who is this? So you had this almost trepidation about having to deal with team and all of those things. Right? But you're doing it. So on the other side, what does that made possible for you? Like, now that rather than skipping out on the difficult conversation, you're having it. Rather than not coaching your team, you're coaching them. Rather than not sharing vision, you're sharing vision. What has this made possible? What's the. What's the roi? The return on investment on that.

I think there's so many layers there. I mean, like, I've learned to be comfortable and vulnerability so much more like with that team, like sharing with them, learning what is a good balance between transparency and kind of protecting some, you know, because you can't share all numbers, but we got to make sure we share enough to where everyone understands what mission we're on and we're all rowing in the same direction. And you know, I've, I mean one of the scariest things was taking on other, other providers, nurse practitioners and, and another physician of like, great, I'm going to, I'm going to lead other doctors. You know, I can't do that, especially people that I respect so much. And you know, but it creates this great opportunity of, you know, they, they challenge me to improve my character by, by engaging with them and needing to be the person that can lead them and help them along the way. And the. Probably the next level is being able to serve so many more people. For a long time I got stuck in like, it's gotta be me. You know, I'm the only one who can, you know, change the culture. I'm the only one who can.

Help.

Patients see this or treat this. They, they all have the great results if they work with me. I don't know if I can pass that on. And it's, it's a good humbling experience to like, support others and be like, okay, it works for them too. That, that's great. But also, you know, it does. It gives so much freedom and when you embrace the team and it's, it's always more and more of a challenge of. Even today I had an episode of like, oh, I feel like I'm losing a little bit of control there, but actually I have a lot of freedom from allowing that. And you just have to learn that as you bring on team members. Because I have a phenomenal director of operations. She's incredible and, but it's taken a time of me letting her learn what I do. And downloading, downloading your brain is so, so hard. But, but once, once you do it and you've, you've let people learn how do you process and think? It just opens up so much freedom for you to where they're. They're able to make calls almost like you were there. And so it's an investment, but it just, it opens up so much opportunity. And you know, we talk about like freedom of my. Or freedom of money, time, relationships and freedom of purpose. And those are all. Which one is most important is different for everyone. And I think it shifts over time and you're not going to get to where you want to be with all four of them unless you bring a team on board. You're just not. Oh, man.

Oh, my goodness. Okay, so let's talk about some stuff here, okay? We're going to talk about the dream life in a second, but listening to you talk about freedom and all the, you know, this is not conversations people.

In private practice have, okay.

Because it burned out and these crazy insurance companies and all this stuff. Right. But I want you to give us a little bit of perspective here, okay? Because I want people to understand the kind of practice you're running. I'm still saying these things. Okay, so how many people, how many clinicians do you have working in your practice? How many. For instance, how many new referrals did you get in the last 30 days? I just need people to have paint a picture so people understand how big this thing is. And you're still talking about freedom, right?

That's true. That's true. Yeah. And it's always that reminder too, of like, this is April 2023. So this is what we're sitting here in August 2024. Right. So. So there's, there's me, of course, and then I have another physician, two nurse practitioners, a registered dietitian, and two health coaches that have all been onboarded in that amount of time. And when we launched in April, I was full by June in having to bring on more help. And so we're still.

Can you say that one more time? There's someone listening to this podcast, but they're at the back. She started in April and she was full by June. Okay.

Had to bring on other providers and they've been incredible. And a lot of that is just really a part of that. Sharing what you do, sharing your vision, not just to get patients, but like minded people see what you're doing and they're like, wow, that's what I want. You've created the world that I want to work and live in, you know, and a lot of the providers that actually I think most of have, like, came to me, you know, so. And that's, that's a great opportunity. So now we have that and we have essentially, I was counting it up 18, a team of 18 at this point. So it's incredible. I mean, when I started this, I was like, oh, it'll just be a front desk staff, me and a nurse, and we'll take care of our patients and it'll be a simple little practice and that's all I want. And, and it was a lovely idea. It lasted for about six weeks and we rapidly figured things out. I mean, we've expanded twice. Right. So we were in a medical, we had a suite in a medical office building and luckily the suites on each side were non clinical space, like administrative office space that the hospital that actually owns it was able to move them to other locations. So we tore walls down and went that way last fall. And we're just finishing tearing walls down and going down the other side, so. And yeah, we, we're usually booking out for, for weeks to months depending on the provider for new patients and referrals. I mean we, we usually get double digit referrals. I'd say, you know, most, most double.

Digit, only double digits.

Okay.

And, and over what time period?

On the, further, on the referrals, you said double digits? Yeah, it depends on the day, but I'd say there's usually at least five to seven most days. Definitely double digits each week. So we, we have referrals coming in all the time. And what's great is so many of our referrals too, we don't even count those. Right. So many of our referrals are from our patients. Right. And so we don't have the orders coming in to track those. But so we have, we have such a great provider community that supports the work that we do because we, we, we take this whole person comprehensive approach and we love our patient community and, and they, they feel the difference. Right. And our, our provider community knows like if they send patients to see us, they are not going to be treated with shame, blame or bias. You know, we, we're here to help them and, and it makes a difference. And then of course, you know, our patients are going to share that with their family and friends.

So wild, so wild. Like I can't say it enough, but it's, it's such a joy to watch your journey, to see how far you've come. Right. And so talk to me about this whole dream life thing. Okay. Because we've given people a picture of. This is not, this is not someone seeing two patients a day right now. So on the other side, are you burnt out at home? Is your marriage suffering because you're pouring all this time into the practice? Do you have time for the things that matter to you? Would you do this over? Are you like, oh my goodness, I'm, you know, like I'm so burnt out and stressed out, like, what, what is going on with the rest of your life?

Yeah, so I would just, yeah, I would do it again all over. You know, one of my original mentors. When I finished residency, we were employed together. And he also years ago, launched his own practice. And he asked me the other day, he's like, would you do it all over again? I was like, absolutely, yes. And, you know, I think my life, my, my husband and I are happy. We're, we're, we're wonderful. Our, I think kids are proud of what we're doing. I mean, our, our 11 year old is always like, you're gonna go global. This is amazing. And wants to be a part of everything. And I've been able to teach her so much. Right. Like, she loves coming into the practice, acting like she owns the place and everyone knows her. And it's fun to teach her how to, you know, fill out the deposit slips or, you know, and, and passing on so many good things to her and teaching her not to be afraid to fail and to try things and put yourself. So there's always that value of remembering what you're doing and sharing and you know, my, my husband is ridiculously proud of the person that I am and who I've become. You know, he's been a huge supporter along the way. He's a huge supporter. Dr. Una loves Dr. Una we.

And I love him back. I'm just like, he's the real mvp. I told you that. Right? Like so big shout out to him, right? Because his level of support for you is so amazing. When you did your anniversary, you changed your office, the logo, all of that stuff. And he recorded a video. I didn't even see him. Like, he was not on the video. You were on the video. But he was saying you did that and all of that. You could hear the pride and the support and all of that. Like just from the audio. It was so crazy, you know, like, so. Yeah, so, yeah, so in the entrepreneur business school world, he's like a full on celebrity. Okay.

And there's just been great balance. Like, sure. I mean, are there days. There's definitely been days where I'm like, oh, I don't know. I don't know if I can keep doing this. And then thankfully I've had a great community with, with Entre MD Business school and also like bringing on a team that will rally you too. Right. And, but, but overall, like when I look at it like we launched in April. I went to, I went to Italy for a week in July.

Right.

So I, we've, we've gone on, we've gone on ple of trips and vacations. I have had time to. I'm the Advocacy committee chair for the Obesity Medicine Association. You know, I've gone to D.C. several times to advocate for better care and coverage. I've written articles that have been published. I've gone and given talks for the Obesity Action Coalition. I've gone to every conference related to my. To my specialty. I've gone to trips for the Entre MD Business School. You know, we've went to Montana several times this year because my. My husband's father had some difficulties with his health. And all those times, I. I wasn't stressed, I wasn't worried. Things were taken care of. Right. And so this isn't in any way like I'm pulling my hair out and my life is falling apart and. No, it's. It's been an incredible balance and, and we're happy. I mean, I. I mean, there were times when I was practicing before that I wasn't sure if I made the right choice in my life. Right. And every day there. There's really. No matter how hard it may seem, each day, ever since I've done this, I know I'm where I'm supposed to be. You know, I'm. I'm happy with what I'm doing. There's no doubt in my mind that this is what I'm supposed to do with my life. So.

And that's that wild that at one stage you're like, I don't know if I made the right decision. And you're the same doc. You're still doing what you love as far as obesity medicine. That. And in a different container, you're like, this is exactly where I'm supposed to be. Like, is it. Isn't that. Isn't that crazy? Right? Because for someone listening, a changing your container may be the only thing. A change in your approach, a change in the way you leverage team and all of that. And man, this is. This is good.

Yeah.

Okay. This is good. So now for you, you know, and I'm not sure what you'll say, but we'll see how this goes when. When you think about your journey, because you've been in the entre. In the business school for a minute now, how would you say that's supported you or helped you along your way? You know, like on this journey.

It'S really hard to separate those two things. I think there's just so much of, yeah, this, the strategies there, but that. The encouragement, the mindset, the example, people who have done it ahead of you. There's so many things where I could have come home or I was on my way Home mopey like, oh, this didn't work out. And my amazing husband was like, did you talk to your people? You know, and I'd reach out or jump on to one of our sessions and, you know, right away, so many people, oh, that happened to me and xyz, and this is what ended up happening. And just so many examples of just keep moving forward. Right? And, you know, I was really concerned about the comparitis because I definitely allow that to impact me, but it really. It really isn't like that at all. Like, there's just so much of like, oh, I can take. I can take that from you. You're walking along with me, and I can get that from you. And, man, I can't wait to get there. And it's. It's just a very different environment. But, you know, the strategy supports there, but also the encouragement and the mindset and, you know, when we talk about concepts like the gap and the gain and things like that, it is so easy to get caught in the gap. And it is nice to have a community of people that understand that and they know what's going on and they can immediately pull you forward and be like, let me point out the gain to you because I've been here all along. And, and then I think just with EBS, although I haven't done my Q2 and review still, but I know, but there's so much built in of helping you remind yourself of the person you're becoming, because, man, it's so easy to forget how different you are and what you've achieved. And it's funny because I tell my patients all the time, what are your wins? I'm sure you got to tell me you've accomplished something. And, you know, it's always, the scale didn't change much, but, oh, I can fit into the shirt I haven't worn in three years. And oh, my. Oh, my goodness, I walked two miles and I haven't been over one mile in two years. And I'm like, what do you mean, nothing's happening?

So much is happening.

And it's the same thing in business, right? Well, we're like, oh, things are falling apart and it's not working, and Medicare is reducing how much they want to pay us and all this stuff. And then we look at all the things we've accomplished and. And it's like, oh, wow, we're thriving here.

Oh, man, that. That's. That's amazing. Again, your husband for the win. He's had to speak to your people. I'm here for you. But have you spoken to your people? I love it.

Right?

I love it. And, and. And people really, you know, like, again, the alternative business school is not for everybody, but for the person who is committed to building a business that allows them to practice medicine and to live life on their terms. It is 1000% a place for you.

Right?

And, you know, it's as simple as meeting with the team on tremd.com forward/call to kind of work through. Would this be a best next step for me? We're not about strong arming people. We're not about trying to get everybody into the school. If it's great for you and it's great for us, and we can create a win win where you're happy and I'm happy because you're winning, we're good. Okay, so. So go schedule that call and check it out. But Dr. Golden, where can people find you? Because I want. And for everybody watching, listening, this is a deal, okay? Dr. Golden has come here and she's shared her story. She shares so many nuggets. She's taking us behind the scenes. So this is not a highlight reel on Instagram. This is a real deal, so you can learn something, experience something. Say, wait a minute, if she could do that, what could I do? You. Right. And so when you're done listening, she's going to tell us where we can find her. I want you to go to her social media, go support her. Leave, you know, go to our website, go to a Google profile. You can leave a review, like, whatever you want to do. But we're all about supporting other docs, and this doc has come here to be a gift to us. So where can people find you?

They can find me. Weight and Gold wellness. Facebook, Instagram, YouTube.

All right. Weight and gold. Okay? Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. Go subscribe to our YouTube channel. Go share this with someone who's in your area and say, this is a dog for you. I found her. Okay. I found her. Any final words? Someone's listening. Someone's. For the first time, there's a. There's like. Like, oh, my goodness. What if I might. What if I could have a private practice like that? Or like the one I've been dreaming of, still have a life. My life is better, and I can still do all these things I want to do. And they're like, wow. So they. You pick their interest. What will you leave them with?

I think, you know, a long time ago, I overheard someone say, sometimes you have to write the book you've been needing to Read right in. I'm not a writer yet, but I transitioned that at one point. I thought, you know, I need to create the practice that I'm wanting to work in, and so that I would challenge you. That practice that you're dreaming about. I wish my Pratt, where I worked was like this. You know what would be a great practice for me? I wish I could find it. Yeah, fine. You've already found it. It's. It's in your mind, and I challenge you to build it. And. And there. There's support out there with. With ebs, you know, it's worked for so many of us. And so that would be my. What I would leave with. Build the practice that you've already created in your mind and is waiting for you.

Oh, my goodness. Okay. I've asked this question many times. I've gotten many different answers. Not this one yet. This was good. This was so good. All right, everyone. So you know how we are in the entrepreneur world. It's not about just inspiration. It's about inspiration and implementation. So even if it's just one, two, three ideas you got for. For this, you know, go take some action on it, right? Because everything Dr. Golden is talking about, nothing would have happened if she didn't take action. If you're here and you've been on the fence for six months, a year, two years, I will tell you, there are people in the business school are like, man, you know, I listen to the podcast for two years, and. And, you know, now that I'm in the school, I'm like, shoot, I should have. I should have done this much earlier, right? So I'm giving you inside information. So go schedule a call. Your decision is not to get in the school yet. Your decision is go book the call on trivity.com forward/call, and let this episode be an episode that radically changed your life. Because you took action. You got inspired, you got some mindset shifts, you got some strategy, and you took action. Okay, Dr. Golden, thank you so much for coming on, and thank you for sharing. And I promise you this is going to be a gift that keeps giving to the entire physician community, whether they're private practice or not. Because your story is a story of a unicorn, right? Like, you're a unicorn level physician, and you're inviting other people, like, come be a unicorn with me. Like, we can do this, and we can. This is what the reality of physicians can be, and that's what on Trendy is all about. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Thank you for having me since. Great to share.

Absolutely.

All right, people.

Go do the things. I will. See you on the next episode.